*Knot Irene*

J&K10910

I have a question.  What, exactly, are we allowed to chit chat (see what I did there?) about here?  Is the new TOS going to spell out grounds for closing a thread? 

I guess that's two questions. 

KnotIrene

I honestly don't know what's in the new TOS.  I've passed along suggestions and I will pass your questions along also.  They should be addressed in it.

The thread was no light-weight topic and people are very emotional about what they were discussing.  Many posts were not respectful of others.   Knot Jackie gave a warning yesterday and no one seemed to pay attention.  Things began to deteriorate again today so I closed the thread.   I did that because I didn't want to have to warn or ban or do anything to anyone who posted. 

I knew people would be unhappy and angry with me but I felt it was the best decision I could make under the circumstances.

KnotIrene

I'm not saying that the knot doesn't want you to discuss controversial topics.  What I was trying to say was that when you do it needs to be done in a respectful manner.

J&K10910

I'm having a hard time saying what I think without causing drama.  Kristan is probably going to feel picked on for this post, and I just want to make it clear that it's not about HER, it's just an excellent example and I can't think of a better one recently.

I'm a bit confused with the precedent that's now been set about closing a post when a member asks for it.  I could clearly see Kristan was upset, so based on that, I can understand her wanting the post closed and asking for it.

But since it happened, when she could have simply made the choice to stop responding, which would have caused the thread to die a natural death, does that mean that everyone who would like a thread closed just needs to ask?  That seems like a slippery slope to me.

I don't know.  I guess maybe I'm stuck in the P&E glory days (which is funny, because you and Jackie probably have no idea what P&E even IS) but it just feels really...not conducive to interesting posts and discussions. 

daria24

The problem is that it is hard to define a "respectful manner." Yes we all agree that saying "Snowflake you are a thundertwat and you should be lit on fire" is disrespectful. But if someone came on here and said that interracial couples are an abomination, telling them their views are disgusting might be hurtful to OP, but quite frankly...that opinion IS revolting. Are we just supposed to say "sorry you feel that way?" They could come on here and offend people up and down with their opinion, but if we offend them by calling out that opinion, THAT's wrong? 

KnotIrene

I'm sorry you guys feel the way you do, but no one needs to ask for a thread to be closed for me to decide it has gone on too long.  If I overstepped you can be sure I'll hear about it.

I was with the knot when it first began, so I am familiar with lots of ins and outs.  The knot is trying to make the messageboards a positive, helpful and enjoyable experience for all.  That's what they've asked me to help with and that's what I'm trying to do to the best of my ability.

J&K10910

Well I don't envy you.  That's for sure.

GoodLuckBear14

A few years ago we had a poster one night whom I remember as "Confederate Girl" who asked if it would be okay to have the confederate flag "in touches" at her reception.  I shudder to think of how quickly TK would have shut down that thread because of how unbelievably offensive her views were and how people responded.  She was something straight out of the KKK.

*and to those who like to read between the lines, I am not referring to anyone at all here and comparing them to a racist. 

QueerFemme

I am really feeling like the word bully and the word disrespect needs to be redefined for TK use. Because it does not mean the same thing in the real world as it does around here. Telling someone you think their opinion is wrong is not the same as disrespecting them. Asking for answers, even repeatedly, is not the same as being bullied. Does it suck when someone posts or does something that is unpopular or is questioned by the masses? Sure. But that doesn't mean they got disrespected or bullied. There was absolutely no reason that I can see that my thread needed to be closed. We are all grownups and don't have to click on any given thread. And even if we do click on it, we don't have to reply.

GoodLuckBear14

* I honestly feel like I have to put a disclaimer at the end of all my posts here now.

KnotIrene

daria, I don't want to recreate the whole thing again in this thread.  I have given my reasons for closing the thread.  Knot Jackie is away today so I have no one else who can respond.

I understand what you're saying.  Some issues or beliefs are going to offend some simply because of the subject matter.  If both sides can discuss things with respect for each other that's ideal.  But that's a difficult thing to achieve.  

If you want to make a suggestion as to how we can include this tricky point in the new TOS, please let me know or talk to Jackie on Monday.  

KnotIrene

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:b3c05953-078e-4d0d-8f8f-cf5a5f773ee4">Re:Knot Irene</a>:
[QUOTE]I am really feeling like the word bully and the word disrespect needs to be redefined for TK use. Because it does not mean the same thing in the real world as it does around here. Telling someone you think their opinion is wrong is not the same as disrespecting them. Asking for answers, even repeatedly, is not the same as being bullied. Does it suck when someone posts or does something that is unpopular or is questioned by the masses? Sure. But that doesn't mean they got disrespected or bullied. There was absolutely no reason that I can see that my thread needed to be closed. We are all grownups and don't have to click on any given thread. And even if we do click on it, we don't have to reply.
Posted by cmgilpin[/QUOTE]
I agree with you about those words.  I'll point that out as also needing to be included.  <div>I sincerely regret that you feel I was wrong to close your thread--I may have been.   And I'm sorry.</div>

daria24

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:6e3e3373-e564-400c-9a09-f3608840cd19">Re: *Knot Irene*</a>:
[QUOTE]daria, I don't want to recreate the whole thing again in this thread.  I have given my reasons for closing the thread.  Knot Jackie is away today so I have no one else who can respond. I understand what you're saying.  Some issues or beliefs are going to offend some simply because of the subject matter.  If both sides can discuss things with respect for each other that's ideal.  But that's a difficult thing to achieve.   If you want to make a suggestion as to how we can include this tricky point in the new TOS, please let me know or talk to Jackie on Monday.  
Posted by Knot Irene[/QUOTE]

<div>I'm not trying to rehash that post. My point is that saying "you can talk about controversial topics, but it has to be in a respectful manner" is extremely vague and leaves a lot of room for interpretation.</div><div>
</div><div>I think language like "no name calling, no personal attacks" is very clear. I think saying "you're a terrible person" IS a clear personal attack. But saying "your opinion disgusts me" is not. KWIM? Yes the word "digust" is a word with stronger connotations than "I don't like your opinion" but that doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to say it.</div>

KnotIrene

Stage, I do understand what you're saying and well as what daria is saying.  I don't know how to deal with this except to pass along  things you've pointed out to TK and Jackie.  

I think it's good that this discussion is taking place now so that it these problems can be hopefully resolved when they're included (with clarity I hope) in the new TOS.

QueerFemme

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:77e64732-7106-4b3c-8e99-737ba45c3649">Re:Knot Irene</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re:Knot Irene : I agree with you about those words.  I'll point that out as also needing to be included.   I sincerely regret that you feel I was wrong to close your thread--I may have been.   And I'm sorry.
Posted by Knot Irene[/QUOTE]

I just think it's really important to have some perspective.  The other day, someone posted a thread that was on her month board (and the gay message board) from a newbie asking for money for her wedding.  It was reposted here, and everyone had a good laugh about it.   Even THAT wasn't bullying, since she clearly posted it on a public message forum, and nothing is ever private on the interwebs. But if anything on these boards could be considered bullying, it would have been that.  It was reposted and everyone made fun of her in some form or another.  No KnotGod commented or closed that thread.

But, because my thread was controversial, and some got their feelers hurt and other people were offended by people's beliefs, the thread was closed.   I think there is an extreme disconnect on what's ok, and what isn't and the general nature of what we are allowed to do here.

As of right now, we can make fun of a newbie with a bad idea, but we can't talk about real world stuff, or we can, as long as we all share the same opinion.

I appreciate your willingness to acknowledge that you may have made a mistake. And I KNOW being a KnotGod is no fun.  There is a grey area in almost every situation.

GoodLuckBear14

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:786207ab-72bd-4888-b957-5f8b71d45e05">Re:Knot Irene</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re:Knot Irene : I just think it's really important to have some perspective.  The other day, someone posted a thread that was on her month board (and the gay message board) from a newbie asking for money for her wedding.  It was reposted here, and everyone had a good laugh about it.   Even THAT wasn't bullying, since she clearly posted it on a public message forum, and nothing is ever private on the interwebs. But if anything on these boards could be considered bullying, it would have been that.  It was reposted and everyone made fun of her in some form or another.  No KnotGod commented or closed that thread. But, because my thread was controversial, and some got their feelers hurt and other people were offended by people's beliefs, the thread was closed.   I think there is an extreme disconnect on what's ok, and what isn't and the general nature of what we are allowed to do here. <strong>As of right now, we can make fun of a newbie with a bad idea, but we can't talk about real world stuff, or we can, as long as we all share the same opinion.</strong> I appreciate your willingness to acknowledge that you may have made a mistake. And I KNOW being a KnotGod is no fun.  There is a grey area in almost every situation.
Posted by cmgilpin[/QUOTE]

People should know that if they offer an opinion on a political topic, they'd better be ready to defend it because no way no how is there ever going to be 100% consensus on everything. People are going to tell you when they disagree with you, that your opinion is offensive to them, and if they question the basis of your opinion.  That is just a general ife rule and shouldn't have to be spelled out for anyone.

daria24

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:a8470a11-64d9-4676-b633-cdc4e00b9558">Re:Knot Irene</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re:Knot Irene : I agree with all of this especially the bold. To bring some more perspective there's currently a post in one of the FFF threads that flames a poster by name.  Nothing has been said about it.  That might actually be considered bullying but the last 3 weeks you guys have basically said anything in FFF goes.  They've all been so nice lately<strong> Is it just CC?  Do we have to go by a different set of rules?</strong>
Posted by LingerLonger1[/QUOTE]

<div>I wonder that too. On the thread about the MOH who is going through a divorce one poster told OP "you suck as a friend." That seems like a personal attack to me. It might be true, but that seems pretty personal.</div><div>
</div><div>I think the best thing to do in terms of the TOS is just to give as many examples of "ok" versus "not OK" behavior.  And then to give people warning when they cross that line. I mean chiming into a thread and saying "ladies, let's keep it respectful" isn't as helpful as saying "Daria, saying  'you suck as a friend' is a personal attack, this is your warning."</div>

KnotIrene

Linger, I never said anything goes.  I said for the FFF flame the idea not the person.

I cannot be everywhere at once no matter now hard I try.  I'll go look for that naming flaming (hey that sounds kindof interesting) and deal with it.

Newbies are not fair game either.  I'm overwhelmed dealing with this unclarity.  I've been on the boards since 5:30 this morning tracking down vendors, responding to posts and PMs, etc so that's 7 hours and the day still has lots of time left.

I appreciate your sharing what you feel needs clarification and I'm making a list of all of it.

I'm really trying to do the right thing, but I don't always succeed.

QueerFemme

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:59c1eee7-253d-403c-939f-67f3dca89016">Re: *Knot Irene*</a>:
[QUOTE]Linger, I never said anything goes.  I said for the FFF flame the idea not the person. I cannot be everywhere at once no matter now hard I try.  I'll go look for that naming flaming (hey that sounds kindof interesting) and deal with it. Newbies are not fair game either.  I'm overwhelmed dealing with this unclarity.  I've been on the boards since 5:30 this morning tracking down vendors, responding to posts and PMs, etc so that's 7 hours and the day still has lots of time left. I appreciate your sharing what you feel needs clarification and I'm making a list of all of it. <strong>I'm really trying to do the right thing, but I don't always succeed.</strong>
Posted by Knot Irene[/QUOTE]

We know (or, at least I know).  And at the same time, we wouldn't be doing our jobs as cc regs if we didn't point out the disconnect between the rules and what actually is happening.

I appreciate the activity of the KnotGods lately.  At least now, we are getting responses to our questions.  Just a short time ago, we would page KGs for weeks with no reply.  So, we are alreay a step in the right direction.

KnotIrene

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:d1b1145d-ecd6-4dce-894d-891731909bfd">Re: *Knot Irene*</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: *Knot Irene* : We know (or, at least I know).  And at the same time, we wouldn't be doing our jobs as cc regs if we didn't point out the disconnect between the rules and what actually is happening. I appreciate the activity of the KnotGods lately.  At least now, we are getting responses to our questions.  Just a short time ago, we would page KGs for weeks with no reply.  So, we are alreay a step in the right direction.
Posted by cmgilpin[/QUOTE]
Thanks so much.  I appreciate, as I think I already said, that you guys are telling me/us what needs clarification.  You are doing "your jobs as cc regs" very well.  Now all I have to do is figure out how to do mine better.

Peledreamsofrain

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:1f6dd5b0-0740-4d16-a136-01f03b48178e">Re:Knot Irene</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re:Knot Irene: As someone who has been in the thick of every controversial thread, singled out repeatedly by "the masses", and been the receiver of several hateful and rude PMs, I agree with every word of this. Nothing that has happened to myself or anyone else that I've seen in the past few weeks comes CLOSE to actual bullying. But it is the new buzzword that everyone hits on when their feelings get hurt.
Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

Since the other thread was dismantled and I can't post there, I did want to clarify that my comment on that thread was not aimed at you.  I very much respect your frank approach to debate, and have enjoyed past discussions with you. 

KnotIrene

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:c802ff65-8440-4d1b-88a4-a1a1eea31bfc">Re: *Knot Irene*</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: *Knot Irene* : This is the last time I'm going to try to explain this to you or Knot Jackie.  I've done it the last 3 weeks and if you guys still can't understand then I don't think you ever will. No you did not say "anything goes."  You guys have however approved of flaming with links attached as long as the user name is not actually used but those links make it obvious who the target of the flames are.  Therefore you have said without using those words exactly that anything goes in FFF.  Flame whoever you want just make it slightly more difficult for me to figure out who it is you're talking about and we're okay.  No you have not used those exact words but your actions have said that loud and clear. Allow me to illustrate.  If I say "I flame people who offer to make avatars for all the Knot users because it's lame.  <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_avatars">http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_avatars</a> " Do you really not know who I'm flaming?  How is it any different from saying "I flame tarra for offering to create avatars for all users because it's lame."?  I don't need an answer to that question because I know there is no difference but I think you (knot gods) should think about it. I'm not trying to come down on you Irene.  I know you have a lot on your plate but I've been checking various boards the last few weeks and it really seems like you're singling this one out.  We can't even talk about gay marriage for Christ's sake but E can have an entire thread every week devoted to bringing people down? Disclaimers: *This post is not meant to harp on you Irene.  It's meant to get you to understand our perspective better.  We understand the rules aren't clear for you either but that's why we need to keep pointing these things out and asking these questions so that the knot can make these things clear. *I don't want to see FFF go away. *My illustration is for illustration purposes only.  I AM NOT FLAMING ANYONE.
Posted by LingerLonger1[/QUOTE]<div>I think I do understand what you've been trying to get across.  We have allowed the FFF to continue by just including links not names until the new TOS comes out because everyone enjoys it so much.  I KNOW that is still circuitously flaming a person if someone follows the link, but that's now.  Everyone's suggestions may help us to figure out how to let it continue -- maybe by just saying the idea with no link -- that's just off the top of my head.  Smarter people than I will figure it out I hope.</div><div>And the reason you see me here is because it's a busy board and a place where most people usually find to be the best place to ask questions of TK.

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kmbryant2413

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:d5c75fbc-a2c8-446e-b28b-f2adaeb53645">Re: *Knot Irene*</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: *Knot Irene* : I think I do understand what you've been trying to get across.  We have allowed the FFF to continue by just including links not names until the new TOS comes out because everyone enjoys it so much.  I KNOW that is still circuitously flaming a person if someone follows the link, but that's now.  Everyone's suggestions may help us to figure out how to let it continue -- maybe by just saying the idea with no link -- that's just off the top of my head.  Smarter people than I will figure it out I hope. And the reason you see me here is because it's a busy board and a place where most people usually find to be the best place to ask questions of TK.
Posted by Knot Irene[/QUOTE]

<div>So what happens right now? Everything goes the same until the new TOS, right? On the thread that was linked about the MOH I called the OP selfish, because truly, her actions were. She came back telling me specifically that I had a lack of brains, and then went on to call other posters hasty (maybe a typo for nasty?) b*tches. So, there, who was in the wrong and who gets warned/banned? Both of us? Neither of us? Me? Her?</div><div>
</div><div>Sorry for all the questions, but everyone wants clarification, and this would be a perfect example to lay out, plain as day.</div>

AddieCake

I've always been a fan of FFF, and I'm not necessarily advocating for it to be taken away with the new TOS. However, the last couple weeks, it has basically been dead in comparison to weeks (and certainly years) past, probably b/c nobody knows for sure what they can and cannot say within the threads.

 IS anyone really enjoying it any more?  When I was purely a lurker a couple years ago, FFF was pretty great b/c it really was an "anything goes" thread, and it got pretty vicious. But holy hell was it entertaining. It has been kind of vicious from time to time here a few months ago, but like I said, with everyone walking on eggshells the past couple weeks....meh. 

I guess I just wonder if it should be eliminated for the sake of making things clearer so there is no more, "Can we do this in FFF?  Can we do that in FFF?" As I mentioned in another recent discussion about it, we flame the posters IN the threads as they happen anyway, so is it really necessary to dredge up the same crap at the end of the week? We seem to be allowed to say things w/o fear of repercussions in the threads, and yet we have grown timid in FFF. 

KnotIrene

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:71a1b258-f4bc-46f8-aaab-e0ff8b65a97d">Re: *Knot Irene*</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: *Knot Irene* : So what happens right now? Everything goes the same until the new TOS, right? On the thread that was linked about the MOH I called the OP selfish, because truly, her actions were. She came back telling me specifically that I had a lack of brains, and then went on to call other posters hasty (maybe a typo for nasty?) b*tches. So, there, who was in the wrong and who gets warned/banned? Both of us? Neither of us? Me? Her? Sorry for all the questions, but everyone wants clarification, and this would be a perfect example to lay out, plain as day.
Posted by kmbryant2413[/QUOTE]
Right now everything goes on the same until the new TOS, you're right.<div>Can you post the link for me about the MOH.  I tried to find it, but must have missed it.  I'll take a look and see what I should do about them.  You don't have to worry--you're not banned and you asked about it so you don't even need a warning.</div>

kmbryant2413

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:c1b23d3b-d30e-4e7c-8acf-222be0063d1e">Re: *Knot Irene*</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: *Knot Irene* : Right now everything goes on the same until the new TOS, you're right. Can you post the link for me about the MOH.  I tried to find it, but must have missed it.  I'll take a look and see what I should do about them.  You don't have to worry--you're not banned and you asked about it so you don't even need a warning.
Posted by Knot Irene[/QUOTE]

<div><a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_sticky-situation-9">http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_sticky-situation-9</a></div>

daria24

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:de9382d4-8d66-404c-85bf-603f6bfb28b2">Re: *Knot Irene*</a>:
[QUOTE]I've always been a fan of FFF, and I'm not necessarily advocating for it to be taken away with the new TOS. However, the last couple weeks, it has basically been dead in comparison to weeks (and certainly years) past, probably b/c nobody knows for sure what they can and cannot say within the threads.  IS anyone really enjoying it any more?  When I was purely a lurker a couple years ago, FFF was pretty great b/c it really was an "anything goes" thread, and it got pretty vicious. But holy hell was it entertaining. It has been kind of vicious from time to time here a few months ago, but like I said, with everyone walking on eggshells the past couple weeks....meh.  I guess I just wonder if it should be eliminated for the sake of making things clearer so there is no more, "Can we do this in FFF?  Can we do that in FFF?" As I mentioned in another recent discussion about it, we flame the posters IN the threads as they happen anyway, so is it really necessary to dredge up the same crap at the end of the week? We seem to be allowed to say things w/o fear of repercussions in the threads, and yet we have grown timid in FFF. 
Posted by AddieL73[/QUOTE]

<div>I feel the same way. It was entertaining back before the exodus when regular posters were calling each other out and it was practically a badge of honor to get flamed. I feel the new rules just make the whole thing more passive aggressive. I'd rather we just change FFF to I Judge and then judge concepts like HM Registries and Money Trees and People Who Wear Socks with Sandals. </div>

Peledreamsofrain

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:11e40195-a93b-44df-a635-0c4d5abaf447">Re:Knot Irene</a>:
[QUOTE]Thank you, Pele. I really do appreciate that. And I apologize if I unloaded a bit on you in the PM. It's been an incredibly frustrating week here on TK.
Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

Don't I know it!  No worries, I understood that you needed to vent.  It's been that kind of week.

AddieCake

Exactly, Daria!  "I Judge" almost has better bite to it as of late.  

 I guess I don't care if it goes or stays. The important thing to me is that I still be allowed to "flame" people in their original thread if I think their plan or thought process sucks. I don't want to suddenly not be allowed to say, "I think you're being ridiculous" or "I think you're being a selfish brat" b/c it's suddenly considering hateful under new TOS. 

KnotIrene

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_knot-irene-3?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:5374f97c-4a93-4100-bdc4-a054e1281de5Post:480f18e5-f4f5-4dbc-add8-ec8dd82f61a5">Re: *Knot Irene*</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: *Knot Irene* : <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_sticky-situation-9">http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_sticky-situation-9</a>
Posted by kmbryant2413[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I found it and dealt.

KnotIrene

So do you think that would be everyone's feeling about FFF?  You have more personal contact with them than I do.