It stinks in here and I need to let this out

tidetravel · November 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: It stinks in here and I need to let this out : Haha, yeah, OK - I love how counseling is the solution to everything. My FI was a dumbass for getting himself into this issue by adopting a severely emotionally damaged dog w/o understand it won't be like the normal dog pet's he's grown up with. I don't need a therapist to work this out. That is a bit much. I just have to put up with the dog.
Posted by M&R7111[/QUOTE]
No. Your FI is a dumbass for not training his dog properly in the firstplace, being ok with living in a house full of dog feces (your words), and arguing with you when you do try to properly train the dog. If you can't see the underlying issues here, you're either dense or just plain stupid.

AutumnFair · November 2010

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[QUOTE] So - I'm fed up and really depressed that I may have up to 10 more years of this nonsense.
Posted by M&R7111[/QUOTE]

<div>I really can't believe that you would put up with a possible 10 years of this dog driving you crazy. Seriously, tell your FI to get on the ball (because you already stated in your OP that he is doing nothing) or tell him that the dog needs to go. If you are tired of taking care of the dog, give him back to the pound because obviously this dog is just too much for you. If the dog gets put to sleep so be it, but if you have tried everything and this dog is too wild then give it back. I used to foster dogs and they are some that just are too damaged to get them settled but to blame this dog for you going crazy is absurd. You should have kicked your FI in the head and got him to do something with this dog. Personally, I would call up Victoria Stilwell, if anyone can fix a dog/owner it is her. </div>

Blueyed228 · November 2010

I dont believe for a half of a second that you have spent 1/8 of the time and money that you claim on this dog.

If you have to SAW THE FLOOR to get rid of the smell and stains, then that piss has been sitting there for DAYS. I have a female dog (they pee in puddles unlike males). When she pee's on the floor, if I find it within a day it comes right up. Its pretty easy to find since urine comes with an odor. But since you and your FI are used to living in filth (as you yourself stated) then thats your problem that you cant sniff out a pee puddle.

I also noticed in your lovely response that you have yet to mention ANY type of exercise routine for this poor dog. A dog doesnt just magically know how to behave with a collar and leash. The poor thing is probably so excited to be outside that he cant control himself. if you stuck to a routine, walks would become a piece of cake over time. Destructive behavior is a direct result of an under exercised animal. So AGAIN, its your own fault for being lazy. Yet, you would rather stuff it in a crate or shock the shiit out of it with a zap collar than get off your azz and take it for a walk a few times a day. Throwing the dog outside for a few minutes a day in the backyard does not equal exercise. You dont know what to do for the wedding?? Kennel the dog. It will be a well deserved vacation for the poor guy.

Like PP's said, you have a FI problem (and a major personal problem), not a dog problem.

Blueyed228 · November 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: It stinks in here and I need to let this out : Haha, yeah, OK - I love how counseling is the solution to everything. My FI was a dumbass for getting himself into this issue by adopting a severely emotionally damaged dog w/o understand it won't be like the normal dog pet's he's grown up with.

No, you are the foolish one for becoming involved with someone who cant even handle the responsibility of pet ownership. That should be a prediction of how he is going to handle other responsibilities like keeping up a house, holding a job, and raising children.

I don't need a therapist to work this out. That is a bit much. I just have to put up with the dog.

No, you both need a therapist for thinking that is acceptable to live in FILTH and feces to the point where you need to saw apart floor boards. YOU need the therapist for wishing that your dog dies. Someone should call the Humane Society on you. Again, I agree with all of the PP's about refraining from having children. Anyone who wishes death on an innocent and helpless animal is obviously lacking any type of maternal instincts. If you think any CPS agency is going to allow a child to live in the squalor that you and your FI do, you are severely mistaken.
Posted by M&R7111[/QUOTE]

Jelenny · November 2010

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[QUOTE]The dog has been around for 6 years. It is not new, it is not a puppy. It has been house trained. Since it's adoption by FI it has been in training - many many times. I'm assuming you all think I'm getting this upset over a few carpet stains and a few accidents - but this whole situation is much worse than that. It's more than just pee. All of your suggestions on what to do with this situation - I've tried those. Training, professional training (which we can't afford anymore since FI lost his job), shock collars (which has helped a bit), the enzymes to get rid of odor, training pads, checked for infections, crates. Oh man, about the crates - he tries so hard to get out that he has caused major injury to himself - had his head stuck between the bars with blood everywhere. It's horrifying. So if we crate him, he's not destructive, but I'm afraid he'll really hurt himself so he's loose during the day. But then he's a mess. But - for MONTHS he's fine. Besides getting rid of the dog, I don't know what else to do. And, may I add - the dog was due to be put down the week FI adopted him - FI was the last person to take it - it's been adopted and given back MANY times; 8 different adoptions. So I'm pretty sure if we get rid of it the same thing would happen. So far it has: -put it's head through windows trying to get at a squirrel - broken glass windows - we had to replace 3 so far -destroyed 3 couches -it was housebroken - but there are some months where it is "not" - I have had to literally saw out the floor and lay new plywood this weekend because the rotting wood was so bad. -gone through 3 crates - we gave up on the crate training because he is going to really hurt himself -broken through many collars when we take it for a walk - jumps neighbor fences when he gets out and attacks their dogs - and we've tried different collars and harnesses. kennels won't take it, and no one (friends or family) will take care of it so we can't travel anywhere more than 12 hours. What we are going to do for our wedding is beyond us. People have stopped coming over because of it and roommates (who provide us with income to pay the bills) have moved out over the dog. For 6 years ... 6 years of training ... and 3 years with me trying haven't changed a thing. Hundreds of dollars in professional training. There was a reason why it was in 8 different homes - and the people gave the dog back every time. I did not choose to get this dog - I have to live with it. I don't want to live with it. And I have every right to not want to live with this dog. I have every right to say "I can't wait for this dog to die". I won't ever hurt it, I have never abused it, in fact, I've taken the training with this dog WAY beyond what FI has. The dog loves me and I treat it kindly. I take it to the vet and training classes - but will I be sad when it finally dies? nope. Does the dog know I feel this way? No. That doesn't make me a bad person - I just want my life back and i don't care any more for this dog as I would a pet hamster. So - just because you kids out there find it awesome to have a cute widdle puppy tail dog I do not. Dogs are not kids. They are animals. Many of you see you animals as kids - which is fine. I do not - which is also fine. Doesn't make me a monster. I understand that there are people who take on the challenge of having an emotionally damaged animal - I do not wish to have that responsibility. Now a kid - that is a different matter. I just can't get emotionally attached to a pet - nor will I ever compare it to having a kid. I've helped raised many children in my family being the oldest of 14 cousins - and two are Downs. I get how stressful kids can be - but when I have kids they will be my babies - not my pets. If any animal threatens the health or well being of my kids, it's gone. So I get how you animal lovers out there are very quick to assume I'm the most miserable person in the world because I don't love this dog - but honestly people - I've taken all I can with this animal that I do not want - that I've tried to train for the past 3 years. So - I'm fed up and really depressed that I may have up to 10 more years of this nonsense. So - yes, I can't wait for the dog to die. GASP I must be along the same ranks as Hilter, hu? Glad I could provide you all with some entertainment for the past three days.
Posted by M&R7111[/QUOTE]

guess what it doesn't matter what you do if the TWO of you are not mature enough and are consistent with the dog....I get dogs that have been beaten so much, are confused, don't know how to wag their tail or even play sometimes, they are not housebroken and GUESS WHAT?! They can be trained, they can learn, and they can trust - but it takes a little effort, time, and CONSISTENCY.

I am so sure with your piss poor attitude towards this dog that you sure have tried everything to the fullest, the dog trusts you (cough cough), and has gotten clear messages of his expectations. You said it yourself it's you or the dog...I'd be taking my dog something tells me you are jealous and a HUGE part of the problem.

baystateapple · November 2010

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[QUOTE]I dont believe for a half of a second that you have spent 1/8 of the time and money that you claim on this dog. If you have to SAW THE FLOOR to get rid of the smell and stains, then that piss has been sitting there for DAYS. I have a female dog (they pee in puddles unlike males). When she pee's on the floor, if I find it within a day it comes right up. Its pretty easy to find since urine comes with an odor. But since you and your FI are used to living in filth (as you yourself stated) then thats your problem that you cant sniff out a pee puddle. I also noticed in your lovely response that you have yet to mention ANY type of exercise routine for this poor dog. A dog doesnt just magically know how to behave with a collar and leash. The poor thing is probably so excited to be outside that he cant control himself. if you stuck to a routine, walks would become a piece of cake over time. Destructive behavior is a direct result of an under exercised animal. So AGAIN, its your own fault for being lazy. Yet, you would rather stuff it in a crate or shock the shiit out of it with a zap collar than get off your azz and take it for a walk a few times a day. Throwing the dog outside for a few minutes a day in the backyard does not equal exercise. You dont know what to do for the wedding?? Kennel the dog. It will be a well deserved vacation for the poor guy. Like PP's said, you have a FI problem (and a major personal problem), not a dog problem.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

I agree 100% with Blue.

If you are not willing to put in the time and effort and cooperation that is necessary, the two of you should not own a pet.

waltzingmatilda13 · November 2010

You know OP, you probably should have thought about the responsibility of owning a pet before you decided to move in with your FI and his dog. If you didn't want to be a pet owner, you shouldn't have chosen of your own free will to be a pet owner. You knew your FI had this dog and you should have known that it would become your responsibility as well. It's very selfish and childish to pitch a fit about it now just because things aren't going the way you wanted them to.

And I also agree with Blue, it still sounds like you 2 are the lazy ones. Dogs who get the proper care and exercise are generally good dogs, especially once they are trained. A bored dog with too much energy and not enough mental stimulation from toys and play will cause mischief and pee on the floor to get attention.

I won't ever hurt it, I have never abused it, in fact, I've taken the training with this dog WAY beyond what FI has. The dog loves me and I treat it kindly. I take it to the vet and training classes - but will I be sad when it finally dies? nope. Does the dog know I feel this way? No.

This is one of the most asinine things you could have said too. Based on everything you have said here I find it so hard to believe that this dog loves you. Animals pick up on human emotions and intent so much faster than we do. If you have these feeling of hate for the dog, I guarantee that he knows it and is reacting to it. I think everyone here who has commented and owns or has ever owned a dog will agree, that they know when we are upset or something is wrong and our own emotions absolutely affect our dogs.

NillaWafer10 · November 2010

It sounds like the dog might be better off if you bring him to a no kill shelter. They will have the resources and time to rehabilitate and retrain the dog for re-adoption.

It is kind of funny that everyone recommends counseling for just about any vent post, but counseling can really do wonders, even for the healthiest relationships. It is important to evaluate if FI is going to be a responsible Dad in the future, because you don't want to be stuck parenting alone. This is true for everyone, not just you.

ReneeJacob · November 2010

OP - there are shelters that will take animals in to literally "live on land". You should do some research on places that will take in animals that are "unadoptable" or simply need to roam outside. These are places that do not place pets up for adoption - they will care for the pets and typically own acres and acres of land. With his history of 8 owners, I think this would be best. Poor guy. This is seriously sad. And no way for you to live...I wont get into how I think you two are handling this because what is important right now is finding this dog a home with someone who doesnt start an online post with "I want to kill the dog".

jenn.daniel · November 2010

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[QUOTE] Based on everything you have said here I find it so hard to believe that this dog loves you. Animals pick up on human emotions and intent so much faster than we do. If you have these feeling of hate for the dog, I guarantee that he knows it and is reacting to it. I think everyone here who has commented and owns or has ever owned a dog will agree, that they know when we are upset or something is wrong and our own emotions absolutely affect our dogs.
Posted by waltzingmatilda13[/QUOTE]

I agree with this 100%. Our dog definitely responds to our emotions. Sometimes it's frustrating, but often it's very comforting.

OP, I think your dog needs to spend more time outside where it can actually run. Stay outside with him so he doesn't try to get out. Depending on how think his fur is, he should be able to spend a lot of time outside even in fall and winter. You'll have to bundle up, but hopefully you'll be able to work with him enough so he can be outside and you can watch from the window.

As for breaking collars and leashes. We had a lab mix who loved chewing on his leash. We decided it was ok b/c it took him longer to destray a leash than to rip the stuffing out of a toy. Some dogs just like ripping things to shreads. That's fine as long as you give them things that they're ALLOWED to destroy. For a collar, you may need something like this:

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I know it looks scary, but it won't hurt your dog if you use it properly. This is obviously not something you leave on all day - just for walks on a leash. We have friends who have one for their German Shepard. The dog is well trained, but with a regular collar it can't really feel any little tugs on the leash.

oh, and our lab broke through the screen door once. You replace it and don't let the dog sit in front of it anymore. Live and learn. Keep your blinds closed so your dog doesn't see the squirels outside.

jmkes · November 2010

You know, I'm not quite sure why you even felt the need to create this post. Were you looking for a pitty party with a line like "I want to kill FI's dog"??? I have zero sympathy for you. I do feel bad for that poor dog. Guess what princess? I took in a dog that was my brother's because he could no longer care for it but couldn't bear sending him to a shelter. I loved Homer but after about a year and a half he had spinal cord damage (from being hit by a car in his younger years) and lost control of his bowel movements. Did I enjoy picking up dog poo daily? No. Did I get frustrated having to clean my floors repeatedly? Yes. Did I wish for him to die? NEVER. His condition worsened to the point he could no longer stand on his own and we had to put him down just over a year ago. It was heart wrenching and I cried all night & day. You say this dog loves you, but you won't give a crap if it dies? Cold, heartless, wench are words that come to mind. Guess who that dog has to rely on in this world?? - you and your FI.

For the sake of the DOG, certainly not you, take the poor thing to a no kill rescue shelter.

kikibaby · November 2010

Hm, yep, you still suck. Find a no-kill shelter for the dog, they WILL take it.

Blueyed228 · November 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: It stinks in here and I need to let this out : I REALLY don't suggest that collar for someone without experience and a short fuse. Bad idea in my opinion.
Posted by ReneeJacob[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Those collars will hurt a dog if not used correctly.

deepcovejackie · November 2010

Agree with Blue x2 now.

#1 I have a hard time believing that you're meeting that animal's needs, from what you say in the first post about FI not doing anything about this.

#2 That collar requires expertise to use. I would not recommend that for a couple that can't even deal with their dog now.

OP, it has not been 3 days of entertainment for me. It's been 3 days of nausea.

[Deleted User] · November 2010

I agree, that collar is a horrible suggestion. Get a harnessor something, or one of the collars that goes over the nose so the dog can't run ahead. Although, I don't know that anything will work in this case.

jenn.daniel · November 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: It stinks in here and I need to let this out : I REALLY don't suggest that collar for someone without experience and a short fuse. Bad idea in my opinion.
Posted by ReneeJacob[/QUOTE]

You're probably right. I didn't think that all the way through. Sorry I dropped the ball on that one. Now I feel like I suggested a blow torch to someone who can't properly handle a match. <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif" border="0" alt="Foot in mouth" title="Foot in mouth" />

I'm going on a walk with my dog now.

ReneeJacob · November 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: It stinks in here and I need to let this out : You're probably right. I didn't think that all the way through. Sorry I dropped the ball on that one. Now I feel like I suggested a blow torch to someone who can't properly handle a match. I'm going on a walk with my dog now.
Posted by jenn.daniel[/QUOTE]

Haha, its seriously a good idea just not in THIS particularly odd situation :)

L-Bride · November 2010

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[QUOTE]The dog has been around for 6 years. It is not new, it is not a puppy. It has been house trained. Since it's adoption by FI it has been in training - many many times. Posted by M&R7111[/QUOTE]

I'm a little late to this.
Your dog has not been house trained. House trained dogs don't do this. I'm sure he's also picking up on your animosity towards him and is acting out by going to the bathroom in your house.
As for your comment about "Not abusing" the dog...good for you? I don't blame your frustration about the situation but you have to know your feelings towards this dog is not normal ,right? I find it very hard to believe that this dog has been in many obedience classes and if he has, the tools learned were not continued to be applied at home. As difficult as the training process may be try and remember that animals are gifts and we're the ones who should feel privileged to have them in our lives. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who don't understand this but choose to get pets anyways. You're something but you're definitely not an "animal lover."

ETA: Unfortunately, I read your responses more thoroughly. You are admitting you want the dog to die and to not being able to get emotionally attached to an animal. These are the things serial killers are made of. Does your FI know what a head case you are?

Tula214 · November 2010

Okay I guess no one else noticed, but I find it odd that I first read that she was an animal lover. Next I read that I pet is just a pet... nothing more. Kind of odd to me.

I agree with PP that if you can't respect, love, and take care of an animal.. put off having children. Especially in a house that is covered in poop and pee. There are many other options, and you also had a choice to be there with your FI and the dog.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown · November 2010

I agree with Blue so much. I have wood laminate floors. I much prefer laminate or wood to carpet, because I have pets. I have a cat wtih a sensitive stomach and another that pees on the floor (for a few reasons - one is alkaline urine, which we fix with medication, the other is dominance issues, which will be fixed once the cat we're catsitting leaves tomorrow). I've lived in that house for 2.5 years and have never had our floors buckle. And cats, like dogs, like to pee in the same spot. We wipe it up and wipe down the floor with nature's miracle.

I also do NOT believe you can just not care about pets but will make a great and caring mother. When the dog dies you won't care any more about it than you would a hamster? I cried when my hermit crab died. My brother used to cry when his fish died. I've owned crabs, fish, turtles, a newt, rabbits, a guinea pig cats and dogs in my life time and cared about every single one of them to the point where I was very sad when ALL of them died. I mean, serial killers start out torturing and killing animals as children. Just saying. No, pets are not *quite* equal to humans. I know my pets have a shorter lifespan than children and aren't quite as important to the general world in the contributing sense, but they are a part of my family. A little more important than a decorative plant or the painting over my dining room table, eh?

MyNameIsNot · November 2010

Counselling is kind of a cop out. I don't think counselling can fix the kind of problems that a person must have to actually wish death on an innocent dog. Maybe shock therapy would work?

OP, you make me sick. To sit there and say that you wish the dog would die, and then come back and say it again, well, horrible person just doesn't describe it.

For the love of god, please do not procreate. At first, I thought you were just immature. But after reading your further posts, I seriously wonder that something is the matter with you. This is the sort of things you'd hear from people that abuse their children for their own entertainment.

Beachy730 · November 2010

OP- You are also a giant hypocrite now. You originally said we got it all wrong because you are an animal lover, but now you say you view animals as nothing more than animals. That is not an animal lover. An animal lover would never threaten to kill the dog, wish it dead, or say I won't be sad when it dies.

Yes, this is an issue with you and your FI. Why the hell would you move in with someone or be marrying someone who is perfectly fine living in filth and among urine and feces? How do intend to have children with this man, or think you two deserve to take care of children if you can't take care of yourselves or a dog.

As PPs said, I haven't heard you say a single thing about this dogs exercise or walking routine. What kind of dog is it? Larger dogs need routine exercise and walks or they will destruct their house. Also, this dog should not have free reign in the house while you aren't home. Keep it in a bathroom if you have to with the window blocked. My aunts lab has jumped out of my moving car after a squirrel before. Stupid yes? My fault for leaving the window open? Yes. Luckily he was fine, and nobody was mean enough to suggest this dog be put down because of it.

I highly doubt you have done half the things you've said with the dog. Your FI is unemployed? So what does he do with the dog all day? I'm guessing play video games while the dog pees in the house. He should be walking that dog several times a day, and throwing a ball for him in the backyard several times a day. Even with all of your defending yourself, I still think you and your FI are shitty dog owners and should rethink having kids for a while. Do this dog a favor and take it to a no kill shelter where he will get the attention and love he needs.

Manwaithiel · November 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_stinks-here-need-let-this-out?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:14Discussion:e68b0e74-2dfe-4d0b-b4cd-7c50270225e0Post:7c360832-413a-42d6-95b7-ba32b9f9b4bb">Re: It stinks in here and I need to let this out</a>:
[QUOTE]OP- You are also a giant hypocrite now. You originally said we got it all wrong because you are an animal lover, but now you say you view animals as nothing more than animals. That is not an animal lover. An animal lover would never threaten to kill the dog, wish it dead, or say I won't be sad when it dies. Yes, this is an issue with you and your FI. Why the hell would you move in with someone or be marrying someone who is perfectly fine living in filth and among urine and feces? How do intend to have children with this man, or think you two deserve to take care of children if you can't take care of yourselves or a dog. As PPs said, I haven't heard you say a single thing about this dogs exercise or walking routine. What kind of dog is it? Larger dogs need routine exercise and walks or they will destruct their house. Also, this dog should not have free reign in the house while you aren't home. Keep it in a bathroom if you have to with the window blocked. My aunts lab has jumped out of my moving car after a squirrel before. Stupid yes? My fault for leaving the window open? Yes. Luckily he was fine, and nobody was mean enough to suggest this dog be put down because of it. I highly doubt you have done half the things you've said with the dog. Your FI is unemployed? So what does he do with the dog all day? I'm guessing play video games while the dog pees in the house. He should be walking that dog several times a day, and throwing a ball for him in the backyard several times a day. Even with all of your defending yourself, I still think you and your FI are shitty dog owners and should rethink having kids for a while. Do this dog a favor and take it to a no kill shelter where he will get the attention and love he needs.
Posted by dnbeach12[/QUOTE]

I've been waiting for something good to summarize my feelings about all this cause I'm too lazy to type my own replies. Beach nailed it.

Belle2Be · November 2010

I also want to add that not exercising a dog, stuffing it in a crate for hours at a time without letting it out, and making it live in filth IS abusing it. You're not fooling anyone with this crap.

Sickening.

annagtz82 · November 2010

When my fiance first adopted his dog he never let her out of his sight. He had her leashed and she went every where in the house with him. He took her out multiple times a day to give her the opportunity to use the restroom. When he wasn't home, she stayed outside. I read that your dog can't be outside becuase it'll jump over the fence but perhaps you can get a crate and put it in there while you and your fiance are out. That way it'll stop it from peeing in those spots in the house and destroying your things.
I believe all dogs are trainable, it just takes time, dedication and patience on the owner's part.

beckyjotucker · November 2010

I agree. There's no need to assume you are a monster. Also, it sounds as if you have done your best with him. What more can you do? At this point if you don't love the dog, who can blame you?

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