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Fiance Angry with Engagement Party

My fiance is so angry at me/my mom because she is throwing us an engagement party where only the bridal party (groomsmen and bridesmaids) and immediate families are invited. She explained to me that she cannot accomodate dates as well because she is on a budget. The engagement party is going to be catered and my mom wants to make it classy but small. 

My fiance thinks that dates should be allowed (but not even my own sister is bringing her boyfriend of 4 years and she is fine with it!) and he also wants to invite a whole bunch of his (extended) family members too. Aside from the saving money aspect, it would be all too confusing to decide who would get invited to the engagement party and who wouldn't if we started including friends and other family members (my extended family alone would be about 50 people). 

From my perspective, my fiance doesn't have a leg to stand on. This is a GIFT which is not in our control. If my mother and father only want to invite those people, there's nothing we can do about it. We should be grateful that they're throwing us a party at all. On top of that, I don't think it's ridiculous that our guests can't bring dates because how illogical is it for us to have someone there that we've only know for 3 weeks and not have our cousins, uncles, etc. that we are closer with. That's why cutting it off at immediate families and bridal party (only) also makes sense to me. But at the end of the day, we have no control over it anyway! And we shouldn't! Am I wrong in my thinking? Is my mother wrong? 

Trying to do things with grace, ettiquette and tact is seemingly a tougher job than I originally thought...
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Re: Fiance Angry with Engagement Party

  • Your cousins, aunts and uncles aren't immediate family.

    Your guests should be invited with their SOs. 
  • Although I agree your mom is hosting and I don't see a need for FI's extended family, couples are social units and shouldn't get split up. It doesn't matter if you don't know their SO. It's rude to invite a husband or wife without their spouse to a social event. I would offer to pay for their So's if your mom can't afford it.


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  • I think you should allow dates but cut off the extended family. Or you guys can offer to pay the difference so your FI can have the people he wants. It is HIS engagement party as well, so technically he DOES have a leg to stand on.
  • Your mother is hosting but she's offending those SOs who are not included.

  • For the wedding, we are for sure inviting all our friends and their plus ones, but for the engagement party because it's such an intimate setting, is it imperative that we allow dates? 
  • I think allowing dates, but not extended family is a fair compromise, if anything.

    Extended family isn't necessary. It's an engagement party, not the wedding reception, so it doesn't need to have everyone there. However, social units shouldn't be split up, so it should be offered that significant others can attend.
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  • Also, none of these people are married. They're all boyfriends and girlfriends or people they've been "seeing"...(this may not matter...I have no clue...hence why I am asking you lovely ladies for advice); I had also suggested to my fiance that if he so badly wanted to accomodate dates that his parents could chip in and pay for the difference and he said that his parents had no money and HE also had no money to pay for it...so all around it's just a headache....
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    [QUOTE]For the wedding, we are for sure inviting all our friends and their plus ones, but for the engagement party because it's such an intimate setting, is it imperative that we allow dates? 
    Posted by butterlybliss[/QUOTE]


    YES
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    [QUOTE]For the wedding, we are for sure inviting all our friends and their plus ones, <strong>but for the engagement party because it's such an intimate setting, is it imperative that we allow dates? 
    </strong>Posted by butterlybliss[/QUOTE]

    Yes!
  • Dating, married, engaged--if they are in a relationship with someone, they need to be invited with their SO. I would honestly cut back on the party in other ways (cheaper food, etc) in order to not be rude to my guests and be able to invite everyone with their SOs.


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    [QUOTE]<strong>Also, none of these people are married</strong>. They're all boyfriends and girlfriends or people they've been "seeing"...(this may not matter...I have no clue...hence why I am asking you lovely ladies for advice); I had also suggested to my fiance that if he so badly wanted to accomodate dates that his parents could chip in and pay for the difference and he said that his parents had no money and HE also had no money to pay for it...so all around it's just a headache....
    Posted by butterlybliss[/QUOTE]

    Marriage doesn't necessarily indicate seriousness.  And its not up to the host/hostess to determine if a relationship is serious. Your mom needs to invite people's partners, regardless of their marriage status.

    I would seriously cut the guest list of extened family so you can properly host the people you want to invite. And properly hosting them is including their significant other. 

    Your mom wants it to be "classy", but excluding someone's SO is not even a little bit classy.
  • If you can't accomodate dates, then I honestly think you should bag the idea.  It's really rude not to include dates.  Your fiance is correct.  However, since your mother is throwing the party, the core guest list is up to her so it's not really fair for him to expect invitations extended family.  His family can throw a party if they want to attend one.   

    Bottom line:
    Dates, YES
    Extended family, NO
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  • *NOTE: Extended family is not invited; just grooomsmen, bridesmaids and immediate family
  • Pay for the significant others yourself or decline the party.

    But the way you speak about your fiance concerns me. You don't seem to approach topics like a team. Saying, "You want it? Well, then you or your parents should pay for it!" to him does not a partnership make.  The two of you should make a decision together and then let your parents know.
  • The thing is we made a decision about this a while ago and he said "oh well that sucks, but I understand" and now all of a sudden he's blown it up into this big thing. It's weird, he seems like a different person when he talks about it. In the 4 years we've been together, he has never acted like this. 
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    [QUOTE]*NOTE: <strong>Extended family is not invited; just grooomsmen, bridesmaids and immediate family
    </strong>Posted by butterlybliss[/QUOTE]

    Seriously, how many groomsmen and bridesmaids are you having in your WP that your mom can't host their spouses?
  • starrynight84starrynight84 member
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    edited June 2012
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fiance-angry-with-engagement-party?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:a53ce669-c3e7-40fc-9de7-b99dc61ff773Post:931e58ad-0f39-49f8-94a2-abc00400489b">Re: Fiance Angry with Engagement Party</a>:
    [QUOTE]The thing is we made a decision about this a while ago and he said "oh well that sucks, but I understand" and now all of a sudden he's blown it up into this big thing. It's weird, he seems like a different person when he talks about it. In the 4 years we've been together, he has never acted like this. 
    Posted by butterlybliss[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>Hmmm. Well, that sounds upsetting. </div><div>
    </div><div>Have you asked him why it is important to him to have his extended family there? Don't ask in a sarcastic way. Just tell him that it seems like he feels very strongly about having family there and ask him to tell you more about that. </div><div>
    </div><div>Maybe his family is pressuring him or something. NOT that you should give in to inviting the extended family, but understanding where he is coming from could help the two of you unite again on this issue. </div><div>
    </div><div>I stand by the opinion though that SOs have to be invited. </div><div>
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  • Maybe he started posting on The Knot and discovered how rude it is to split up couples ;)


    seriously...remember why you are doing all this....it is about celebrating your relationship with FI....you can't do that while shunning your loved ones' relationships.
  • twister22twister22 member
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    edited June 2012
    You are 110% right. This is a GIFT from your mom, and your FI has no right to dictate who is and who isn't allowed to an event your mom is throwing.

    You stated that no one in the bridal party is married, so not having them bring their SO is not a big deal, IMHO.

    Ettiquette wise, it is extremely rude of you or your FI to tell your mother what to do with a gift she is giving you. If she asks your opinion, that's one thing.

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    [QUOTE]You are 110% right. This is a GIFT from your mom, and your FI has no right to dictate who is and who isn't allowed to an event your mom is throwing. <strong>You stated that no one in the bridal party is married, so not having them bring their SO is not a big deal, IMHO</strong>. Ettiquette wise, it is extremely rude of you or your FI to tell your mother what to do with a gift she is giving you. If she asks your opinion, that's one thing.
    Posted by twister22[/QUOTE]

    This is HORRIBLE advice.  Marriage does NOT determine whether a couple is a valid social unit.  Many couples are together for years and choose to wait to get married or never get married at all.  Discounting a SO's significance because they aren't married is totaly fluckin rude.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Fiance Angry with Engagement Party : Seriously, how many groomsmen and bridesmaids are you having in your WP that your mom can't host their spouses?
    Posted by cmgilpin[/QUOTE]

    Better yet, how many groomsman and bridesmaids have you already asked for your wedding that isn't for 25 months?
  • don't listen to twister.


    also remember...anyone invited to pre-wedding events needs to be invited to the wedding.
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    [QUOTE]You are 110% right. This is a GIFT from your mom, and your FI has no right to dictate who is and who isn't allowed to an event your mom is throwing. You stated that no one in the bridal party is married, so not having them bring their SO is not a big deal, IMHO. Ettiquette wise, it is extremely rude of you or your FI to tell your mother what to do with a gift she is giving you. If she asks your opinion, that's one thing.
    Posted by twister22[/QUOTE]

    <div>How can you be 110% right?! That phrase drives me bananas. </div><div>
    </div><div>And it is rude to dictate a gift. It is not rude to say, "Hey, Mom, I know you're on a tight budget but it is really important to me to have all significant others there. So I'm happy to pay for those guests." </div><div>
    </div><div>Or to say, "Thank you so much for the offer of a party, but we just can't accept."</div><div>
    </div><div>It IS rude to not invite significant others, married or not. </div>
  • MangoSongMangoSong member
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    edited June 2012
    This is the E-party, not the wedding. IE: Extended family does not need to be there.

    If you're mom is hosting and paying, she makes the calls of who is invited and who isn't. She should invite SOs, as couples as social units. But if someone is single, they don't need to bring a +1.
  • The idea that because people aren't married, their SOs don't matter is insane. My Fi and I have been together for several years before we decided to get married. Doesn't mean we aren't a social unit that peple get to ignore.
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  • That wretched engagement party. Always going around pissing people off.
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    [QUOTE]I think Twister is 110% wrong. Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell have been together for 20+ years, but not married.  You would seriously invite one without the other?
    Posted by edielaura[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>Ahh, please no more 110%!! But agreed. And even if Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell were only together for a few weeks, they still both need to be invited. 

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  • Andplusalso SO =/= Plus 1

    They are two totally different things. SOs are people you are in a relationship. A plus 1 is extended to someone who is truly single. Drives me batty when people interchange the words.
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  • We struggled with the guest list for our e-party as well.  My MOH who is hosting said we could have whoever we want, as many as we wanted, she would figure it out.  We decided to go with a few of our closer friends, and local family members, all with their dates, SO's, whatever.  Honestly, FI and I were together for 4 years before we got engaged, and if he or I had been invited to pretty much any kind of social event without the other, simply because we weren't engaged or married yet, we'd probably decline.
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    [QUOTE]I just realized my example is irrelevant.  An SO is an SO and they need to be invited.
    Posted by edielaura[/QUOTE]

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    </div><div>It might not be relevant, but it is a good reminder that no one can judge the seriousness of a relationship besides the two in it. So dating for a day or married for years, the couple needs to be invited together. </div>
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