In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:1ba99d73-456e-44ac-98ed-fe24c8b81179">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Like any new implemented program - they will need to create guidelines to go with it. You can't just start drug testing people and say those who fail arn't on it. Ex - <strong>Those who are on perscription narcotics and opiats - they will have to prove they are on a perscription, and they should have regulations on filling those (I know on base they do, you can't fill a 30 day script 10 days into it - not sure about out in town). T</strong>hey would really just need to sit down and create guidelines and stipulations with the drug testing program. Posted by amh04[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure it's a federal law (but I might be wrong). I know in MS and AL, all controlled substances, which includes narcotics and most prescription "street drugs", have very strict regulations on how often you can get them filled.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:1ba99d73-456e-44ac-98ed-fe24c8b81179">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Like any new implemented program - they will need to create guidelines to go with it. You can't just start drug testing people and say those who fail arn't on it. Ex - Those who are on perscription narcotics and opiats - they will have to prove they are on a perscription, and they should have regulations on filling those (I know on base they do, you can't fill a 30 day script 10 days into it - not sure about out in town). They would really just need to sit down and create guidelines and stipulations with the drug testing program. Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
I could get a script, walk on the street and buy 30 more in ten minutes. I worked in an area of new York that recently arrested a doctor because he was writing the second most prescriptions for narcotics in new yorkstate. It is so easy to buy off the street and welfare wouldn't even know
Oh and when I buy those 30 I'm using the money you just gave me because I passed my drug test since my prescribed narcotics showed up. (general you obviously)
Also to clarify he wasn't arrested for writing scripts, it was a whole long process. but he was a major reason for the amounts of opiates in that area.
Also, I just think that the money they would spend to drug test people should be spent on early intervention, services in the home, programs to help single moms stay in school, programs in school informing teenagers of what they can do if they do find themselves pregnant. I'm not talking about once a month, I mean weekly programs. Early education on children to help them have a better life, even if the parents are messed up. More money to child protective services to help children have better lives if the parents can't get their act together.
Well, for one, requiring actual parental consent for minors who want an abortion. I also think that both the pregnant woman and the baby's father should have to give consent for an abortion. Logistically, I'm not sure how that would work, but I think it should be done.
Ggirl, I like your idea in theory, but I have a hard time believing that programs and education would fix the system. Maybe I'm just jaded, but I think too many people on welfare have it engrained that this is just how things are. It's long-learned behavior and for a lot of them, it's what they expect out of their lives and don't want anything more.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:2371ff94-9c08-4739-853b-81634d623010">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]Well, for one, requiring actual parental consent for minors who want an abortion. I also think that both the pregnant woman and the baby's father should have to give consent for an abortion. Logistically, I'm not sure how that would work, but I think it should be done. Posted by melbelle24[/QUOTE]
To play devils advocate. What if the girl wants an abortion and the guy, just to get back at her, says he wants to keep it? Should she have to carry for 9 months?
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:2371ff94-9c08-4739-853b-81634d623010">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]Well, for one, requiring actual parental consent for minors who want an abortion. I also think that both the pregnant woman and the baby's father should have to give consent for an abortion. Logistically, I'm not sure how that would work, but I think it should be done. Posted by melbelle24[/QUOTE]
I can get behind the first point, but not the second. Baby's daddy's disappear all the time! What if you can't get a hold of him? Then she has to have a baby because he didn't give "permission"? Obviously he doesn't want the baby either if he bounced out... KWIM? I get where you're coming from with it, but more often than not, it wouldn't work. (Ahhh I feel like I'm picking on you Mel! But really I heart you! Kbye...) <---*DOING IT WRONG!*
Also, if a woman does not want a baby, don't force her to have it. Seriously guys, giving a baby up for adoption is not always the best solution. Talk about scarring a kid for life!
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:f26accb0-f63b-4e13-ad6d-58fc8e20539e">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! :
To play devils advocate. What if the girl wants an abortion and the guy, just to get back at her, says he wants to keep it? Should she have to carry for 9 months? Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
That's one of the reasons I said I'm not sure how it would work out logistically. Honestly, I think some form of counseling should be required for both parties. If the man says he wants to keep it, then make him sign some sort of legal contract saying that he will take responsibility for the child after birth. I guess I just look at it as it takes 2 people to get pregnant, it shouldn't be solely up to the woman to decide she doesn't want to be.
I do get your point, Mel, that if one parent doesn't want it but the other does, it seems cruel to the parent who wants the child. However, that gets sticky with incest, rape, abusive relationships, etc.
It all boils down to the fact that I do not ever want someone else to tell me that I have to carry something in my body for 9 months against my wishes. The government, and certainly someone else's religious beliefs, should never have that right. And neither should any other person, including the person who fathered the child. Though I do agree that it becomes a lot more emotionally complicated when there is a willing parent. However, if the willing parent is not the one who has to carry it and give birth to it, I don't think they should ever have a legal say in the matter.
Anyone is welcome to choose not to have an abortion themselves because they believe it is wrong, and anyone can choose to try to convince others in that circumstance not to make that choice. For example, I really actually kind of like the billboards that say "Pregnant? Alone? Call us" that are anti-abortion, pro-adoption groups because they are trying to give someone options and support. I think that's a WONDERFUL way for people who dislike abortion to try to minimize how often it happens.
However, trying to change laws to prevent people from having that choice, or standing outside a clinic where they perform abortions to scream awful names at people making that difficult choice, or worst of all, trying to kill people who conduct abortions is just wrong.
There's no shade of grade for me on those subjects - it's legally and ethically wrong to prevent someone else from making that choice based on your own beliefs.
Cal, I understand where you're coming from, and I respect your opinion but I disagree that the child's father shouldn't have a say. Yes, there are a LOT of situations where that gets complicated, and yes, it is your body. But like I said before, it takes two to tango, and I don't think it's fair to the other party that a woman can choose to terminate a pregnancy regardless of what the man wants. I think it's hypocritical. Also, I don't know much about this, but if a woman has a child, does the father have to pay child support? Or only if they were married?
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:40440ada-ce0e-41d5-be17-e7edb52bdcf4">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]Cal, I understand where you're coming from, and I respect your opinion but I disagree that the child's father shouldn't have a say. Yes, there are a LOT of situations where that gets complicated, and yes, it is your body. But like I said before, it takes two to tango, and I don't think it's fair to the other party that a woman can choose to terminate a pregnancy regardless of what the man wants. I think it's hypocritical. Also, I don't know much about this, but if a woman has a child, does the father have to pay child support? Or only if they were married? Posted by melbelle24[/QUOTE]
Yep, he does. You're right, that's not quite fair. However, I think they can waive their parental rights, though, and then they don't have to pay child support (usually, I think this is state to state?). So yeah, they can get out of it.
However, my opinion on it is that pregnancy is a risk for men that is assumed when they have sex (as it is for women, I know), and they should be aware what the woman wants to do if she gets pregnant. I was a "condom & BC" girl, so when FI and I decided to stop using condoms, we knew there was a 0.1% chance that I could get pregnant on just birth control, but even still we talked about what we would do if that happened, and were on the same page. To be blunt, I told him I wouldn't have an abortion if I got accidentally pregnant, and he understood that it was a risk he was willing to take, but that he would also respect my opinion if it did happen and I changed my mind. He supported me either way, and told me it would always be my choice. I'm glad he felt that way, because I certainly do! Because I care about him, I would value his opinion, but I would ultimately make the decision.
In the rare circumstance that a man believes that a woman wants to have a baby with him, gets pregnant, and then she changes her mind, I feel for him. I really, truly do. That's the worst case scenario in this example, right? Because it was a wanted pregnancy and then the woman changes her mind, and he can't do anything. I agree it sucks, and it isn't fair, but I do fully believe the law shouldn't get involved.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:f0e55fad-e5ea-41a3-801a-d339803bbb00">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]I'm so horrified by so many of these. I would have gotten involved earlier, but right now, I'm mostly like I have a really, really unpopular opinion, but I am going to keep it as an inside thought because I know I'm wrong and just bitter at the moment. Posted by WishIcouldbeinthe'stan[/QUOTE]
I've been thinking, and maybe I should amend my statement about requiring consent from the baby daddy. I would say instead that I believe the child's father has the right to contest an abortion if he would be willing to take on the responsibility of raising the child. I realize this is an unpopular opinion, but I can't help it. Becoming pregnant and having a baby does not only affect the mother.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:71c235a2-85b8-43ea-bd0b-1a37918dfe1f">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Yep, he does. You're right, that's not quite fair. However, I think they can waive their parental rights, though, and then they don't have to pay child support (usually, I think this is state to state?). So yeah, they can get out of it. However, my opinion on it is that pregnancy is a risk for men that is assumed when they have sex (as it is for women, I know), and they should be aware what the woman wants to do if she gets pregnant. I was a "condom & BC" girl, so when FI and I decided to stop using condoms, we knew there was a 0.1% chance that I could get pregnant on just birth control, but even still we talked about what we would do if that happened, and were on the same page. To be blunt, I told him I wouldn't have an abortion if I got accidentally pregnant, and he understood that it was a risk he was willing to take, but that he would also respect my opinion if it did happen and I changed my mind. He supported me either way, and told me it would always be my choice. I'm glad he felt that way, because I certainly do! Because I care about him, I would value his opinion, but I would ultimately make the decision. In the rare circumstance that a man believes that a woman wants to have a baby with him, gets pregnant, and then she changes her mind, I feel for him. I really, truly do. That's the worst case scenario in this example, right? Because it was a wanted pregnancy and then the woman changes her mind, and he can't do anything. <strong> I agree it sucks, and it isn't fair, but I do fully believe the law shouldn't get involved.</strong> Posted by calindi[/QUOTE] And this right here is where we differ. I can see your point, I just can't agree with it. So I'm choosing to agree to disagree.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:0b5341a3-d0ad-4402-8933-b55f88b66e46">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : And this right here is where we differ. I can see your point, I just can't agree with it. So I'm choosing to agree to disagree. Posted by melbelle24[/QUOTE]
Same. I see your point, I respect it, I just disagree.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:83de063e-ac04-4cd7-8491-f61c17a0f0cd">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]Threadjacking to say I just realized I'm no longer a newb on here. Yay me. Haha Posted by melbelle24[/QUOTE] I'm almost to gold on my glitchy account :( I hate how it looks like I'm a newb
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:ea73cfa0-0367-4fd3-9682-2a6c83da1089">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I'm almost to gold on my glitchy account :( I hate how it looks like I'm a newb Posted by Zimsgirl26[/QUOTE]
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:af0d0701-4127-41a5-bf56-b364614f2e38">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Huh, I'm gold. I never looked at that stuff. Posted by calindi[/QUOTE] Haha I noticed you were today too!
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:ea73cfa0-0367-4fd3-9682-2a6c83da1089">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I'm almost to gold on my glitchy account :( I hate how it looks like I'm a newb Posted by Zimsgirl26[/QUOTE] When can i get to the next color?
Just finished reading through. I am not good at debating and my feelings get hurt easier than most people so I'm going to stay out BUT great points everyone!
Also, AMH, thanks for posting, I just want to say you're not alone in some of your thoughts.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:b24a32e4-2fc3-40ec-8682-3d7d00825b75">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]Just finished reading through. I am not good at debating and my feelings get hurt easier than most people so I'm going to stay out BUT great points everyone! Also, AMH, thanks for posting, I just want to say you're not alone in some of your thoughts. ;) Posted by tyleet87[/QUOTE]
You can post and I can disagree without it getting heated.
Right Amh? I hope I didn't hurt your feelings. I still want a doggie play date.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:e745a0ba-a012-42e0-a669-a86e9ef01d33">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : You can post and I can disagree without it getting heated. Right Amh? I hope I didn't hurt your feelings. I still want a doggie play date. Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
Of course. :) I got caught up in wedding OOT bag tags and work. LOL. Or else I would of been on. I know that I hold a lot of unpopular beliefs and I'm okay with that :)
I would love to do a doggie date! We're taking Jade to a puppy socialization class first so hopefully she won't be bad around your dogs. She still struggles a little bit sometimes with other dogs, but we're working on it.
Re: Discussion Friday!
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Like any new implemented program - they will need to create guidelines to go with it. You can't just start drug testing people and say those who fail arn't on it. Ex - <strong>Those who are on perscription narcotics and opiats - they will have to prove they are on a perscription, and they should have regulations on filling those (I know on base they do, you can't fill a 30 day script 10 days into it - not sure about out in town). T</strong>hey would really just need to sit down and create guidelines and stipulations with the drug testing program.
Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure it's a federal law (but I might be wrong). I know in MS and AL, all controlled substances, which includes narcotics and most prescription "street drugs", have very strict regulations on how often you can get them filled.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Like any new implemented program - they will need to create guidelines to go with it. You can't just start drug testing people and say those who fail arn't on it. Ex - Those who are on perscription narcotics and opiats - they will have to prove they are on a perscription, and they should have regulations on filling those (I know on base they do, you can't fill a 30 day script 10 days into it - not sure about out in town). They would really just need to sit down and create guidelines and stipulations with the drug testing program.
Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
I could get a script, walk on the street and buy 30 more in ten minutes. I worked in an area of new York that recently arrested a doctor because he was writing the second most prescriptions for narcotics in new yorkstate. It is so easy to buy off the street and welfare wouldn't even know
Also, I just think that the money they would spend to drug test people should be spent on early intervention, services in the home, programs to help single moms stay in school, programs in school informing teenagers of what they can do if they do find themselves pregnant. I'm not talking about once a month, I mean weekly programs. Early education on children to help them have a better life, even if the parents are messed up. More money to child protective services to help children have better lives if the parents can't get their act together.
Geeg- i2i
What do you mean by abortion needs more regulations?
[QUOTE]Well, for one, requiring actual parental consent for minors who want an abortion. I also think that both the pregnant woman and the baby's father should have to give consent for an abortion. Logistically, I'm not sure how that would work, but I think it should be done.
Posted by melbelle24[/QUOTE]
To play devils advocate. What if the girl wants an abortion and the guy, just to get back at her, says he wants to keep it? Should she have to carry for 9 months?
[QUOTE]Well, for one, requiring actual parental consent for minors who want an abortion. I also think that both the pregnant woman and the baby's father should have to give consent for an abortion. Logistically, I'm not sure how that would work, but I think it should be done.
Posted by melbelle24[/QUOTE]
I can get behind the first point, but not the second. Baby's daddy's disappear all the time! What if you can't get a hold of him? Then she has to have a baby because he didn't give "permission"? Obviously he doesn't want the baby either if he bounced out... KWIM? I get where you're coming from with it, but more often than not, it wouldn't work.
(Ahhh I feel like I'm picking on you Mel! But really I heart you! Kbye...) <---*DOING IT WRONG!*
Also, if a woman does not want a baby, don't force her to have it. Seriously guys, giving a baby up for adoption is not always the best solution. Talk about scarring a kid for life!
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! :
To play devils advocate. What if the girl wants an abortion and the guy, just to get back at her, says he wants to keep it? Should she have to carry for 9 months?
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
That's one of the reasons I said I'm not sure how it would work out logistically. Honestly, I think some form of counseling should be required for both parties. If the man says he wants to keep it, then make him sign some sort of legal contract saying that he will take responsibility for the child after birth. I guess I just look at it as it takes 2 people to get pregnant, it shouldn't be solely up to the woman to decide she doesn't want to be.
It all boils down to the fact that I do not ever want someone else to tell me that I have to carry something in my body for 9 months against my wishes. The government, and certainly someone else's religious beliefs, should never have that right. And neither should any other person, including the person who fathered the child. Though I do agree that it becomes a lot more emotionally complicated when there is a willing parent. However, if the willing parent is not the one who has to carry it and give birth to it, I don't think they should ever have a legal say in the matter.
Anyone is welcome to choose not to have an abortion themselves because they believe it is wrong, and anyone can choose to try to convince others in that circumstance not to make that choice. For example, I really actually kind of like the billboards that say "Pregnant? Alone? Call us" that are anti-abortion, pro-adoption groups because they are trying to give someone options and support. I think that's a WONDERFUL way for people who dislike abortion to try to minimize how often it happens.
However, trying to change laws to prevent people from having that choice, or standing outside a clinic where they perform abortions to scream awful names at people making that difficult choice, or worst of all, trying to kill people who conduct abortions is just wrong.
There's no shade of grade for me on those subjects - it's legally and ethically wrong to prevent someone else from making that choice based on your own beliefs.
[QUOTE]Cal, I understand where you're coming from, and I respect your opinion but I disagree that the child's father shouldn't have a say. Yes, there are a LOT of situations where that gets complicated, and yes, it is your body. But like I said before, it takes two to tango, and I don't think it's fair to the other party that a woman can choose to terminate a pregnancy regardless of what the man wants. I think it's hypocritical. Also, I don't know much about this, but if a woman has a child, does the father have to pay child support? Or only if they were married?
Posted by melbelle24[/QUOTE]
Yep, he does. You're right, that's not quite fair. However, I think they can waive their parental rights, though, and then they don't have to pay child support (usually, I think this is state to state?). So yeah, they can get out of it.
However, my opinion on it is that pregnancy is a risk for men that is assumed when they have sex (as it is for women, I know), and they should be aware what the woman wants to do if she gets pregnant. I was a "condom & BC" girl, so when FI and I decided to stop using condoms, we knew there was a 0.1% chance that I could get pregnant on just birth control, but even still we talked about what we would do if that happened, and were on the same page. To be blunt, I told him I wouldn't have an abortion if I got accidentally pregnant, and he understood that it was a risk he was willing to take, but that he would also respect my opinion if it did happen and I changed my mind. He supported me either way, and told me it would always be my choice. I'm glad he felt that way, because I certainly do! Because I care about him, I would value his opinion, but I would ultimately make the decision.
In the rare circumstance that a man believes that a woman wants to have a baby with him, gets pregnant, and then she changes her mind, I feel for him. I really, truly do. That's the worst case scenario in this example, right? Because it was a wanted pregnancy and then the woman changes her mind, and he can't do anything. I agree it sucks, and it isn't fair, but I do fully believe the law shouldn't get involved.
[QUOTE]I'm so horrified by so many of these. I would have gotten involved earlier, but right now, I'm mostly like I have a really, really unpopular opinion, but I am going to keep it as an inside thought because I know I'm wrong and just bitter at the moment.
Posted by WishIcouldbeinthe'stan[/QUOTE]
YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!! ;)
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Yep, he does. You're right, that's not quite fair. However, I think they can waive their parental rights, though, and then they don't have to pay child support (usually, I think this is state to state?). So yeah, they can get out of it. However, my opinion on it is that pregnancy is a risk for men that is assumed when they have sex (as it is for women, I know), and they should be aware what the woman wants to do if she gets pregnant. I was a "condom & BC" girl, so when FI and I decided to stop using condoms, we knew there was a 0.1% chance that I could get pregnant on just birth control, but even still we talked about what we would do if that happened, and were on the same page. To be blunt, I told him I wouldn't have an abortion if I got accidentally pregnant, and he understood that it was a risk he was willing to take, but that he would also respect my opinion if it did happen and I changed my mind. He supported me either way, and told me it would always be my choice. I'm glad he felt that way, because I certainly do! Because I care about him, I would value his opinion, but I would ultimately make the decision. In the rare circumstance that a man believes that a woman wants to have a baby with him, gets pregnant, and then she changes her mind, I feel for him. I really, truly do. That's the worst case scenario in this example, right? Because it was a wanted pregnancy and then the woman changes her mind, and he can't do anything. <strong> I agree it sucks, and it isn't fair, but I do fully believe the law shouldn't get involved.</strong>
Posted by calindi[/QUOTE]
And this right here is where we differ. I can see your point, I just can't agree with it. So I'm choosing to agree to disagree.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : And this right here is where we differ. I can see your point, I just can't agree with it. So I'm choosing to agree to disagree.
Posted by melbelle24[/QUOTE]
Same. I see your point, I respect it, I just disagree.
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[QUOTE]Threadjacking to say I just realized I'm no longer a newb on here. Yay me. Haha
Posted by melbelle24[/QUOTE]
I'm almost to gold on my glitchy account :( I hate how it looks like I'm a newb
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I'm almost to gold on my glitchy account :( I hate how it looks like I'm a newb
Posted by Zimsgirl26[/QUOTE]
Huh, I'm gold. I never looked at that stuff.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Huh, I'm gold. I never looked at that stuff.
Posted by calindi[/QUOTE]
Haha I noticed you were today too!
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I'm almost to gold on my glitchy account :( I hate how it looks like I'm a newb
Posted by Zimsgirl26[/QUOTE]
When can i get to the next color?
Also, AMH, thanks for posting, I just want to say you're not alone in some of your thoughts.
I am in full support of gay marriage. I love what Keith Olbermann had to say about gay marriage and the sad passing of Prop. 8 in CA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChanTFSmqao
[QUOTE]Just finished reading through. I am not good at debating and my feelings get hurt easier than most people so I'm going to stay out BUT great points everyone! Also, AMH, thanks for posting, I just want to say you're not alone in some of your thoughts. ;)
Posted by tyleet87[/QUOTE]
You can post and I can disagree without it getting heated.
Right Amh? I hope I didn't hurt your feelings. I still want a doggie play date.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : You can post and I can disagree without it getting heated. Right Amh? I hope I didn't hurt your feelings. I still want a doggie play date.
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
Of course. :) I got caught up in wedding OOT bag tags and work. LOL. Or else I would of been on. I know that I hold a lot of unpopular beliefs and I'm okay with that :)
I would love to do a doggie date! We're taking Jade to a puppy socialization class first so hopefully she won't be bad around your dogs. She still struggles a little bit sometimes with other dogs, but we're working on it.