In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:851130f7-babc-4671-8629-b6d6e32877cd">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]Welfare: I agree with Sami on the drug testing. My sister worked at a grocery store and she would have moms come up with kids in Abercrombie her with a designer purse and food stamps. Gay Marriage: They absolutely should be able to marry! Possibly unpopular opinion: I'm very pro choice. I've gone to Planned Parenthood a couple times and I just wanna punch the protestor that's there. My friend yelled at her once when we were driving haha Posted by Zimsgirl26[/QUOTE]
I can't bold your welfare paragraph but what does wearing Abercrombie have to do with drugs?
People don't have to involve religion at all in marriage. That's their choice. With separation of church and state I don't find the bible's reasoning to be valid with gay marriage and law making
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:d5b69d2e-802f-4a21-beaf-b90bda5decc1">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I can't bold your welfare paragraph but what does wearing Abercrombie have to do with drugs? Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE] Sorry I should've explained better. There was one lady who would come in dressed in fancy clothes and her kids would be and she'd use food stamps. It's obvious she had money but still got the food stamps. There was also a girl I worked with in high school who got them but had a blackberry and stuff like that plus spent her money on drugs. Ridiculous.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:9aa06286-e89f-4545-b4bf-32c6e027b7b6">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Sorry I should've explained better. There was one lady who would come in dressed in fancy clothes and her kids would be and she'd use food stamps. It's obvious she had money but still got the food stamps. There was also a girl I worked with in high school who got them but had a blackberry and stuff like that plus spent her money on drugs. Ridiculous. Posted by Zimsgirl26[/QUOTE]
How did a girl in high school qualify for welfare?
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:cd846157-49bd-4d50-8a2b-2df446843808">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : How did a girl in high school qualify for welfare? Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE] I think she may have gotten it when she turned 18 but not for sure. She had a lot of family issues and moved out when she was like 16 or something. Then she moved in with our manager she was sleeping with. It was a super professional environment lol
It's just a topic that is just an agree to disagree topic. The reality of being able to make a decision - because it will have to be a federal choice, especially with the military allowing gay's to serve, they will want to be able to have dependents - I know I won't be making it regardless of who I vote for. For me - it's the bible - but outside of that for 2000+ years it's been a man and a women in a marriage. I'm sure not every person for the past 2000 years has believed in God. I kind of question why all of a sudden it seems this is coming up, and happening. I'm guessing because Gay's were quiet about it for so long, it was just kept a hush hush secret? I like Gay people, and have Gay friends (I do find it funny in these topics everyone goes, I have Gay friends lol) and I don't want to discriminate towards them, because it's not them I have an issue with - ultimately it's the act is what it boils down to, BUT I just don't think it should really be called marriage. That's all.
On for another topic that Katelyn brought up - I can't agree with ProChoice. Not at all. It's murder, you are killing an innocent person- yes I called it a person and not a fetus. Simple as that for me. I get there are so many instances that someone can say 'Oh, I was raped' and 'Oh there was incest' and 'There are medical conditions where the baby won't live, or will be severly handicap' or where the mother could die. But I just can't condone it. Especially with how advanced our medical field is growing every single day. It's another topic that's an I agree to disagree with you.
On her radio show sometime prior to 2004, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the
Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law.
I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual
lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly
states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of
God's Law and how to follow them.
1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They
claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A
friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not
Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2.
The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27.
How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of
getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we
just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people
who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable
expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your adoring fan,
Anonymous
10 reasons why gay marriage is wrong
01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.
02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets, because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.
06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.
07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.
09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.
10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.
I don't know. I don't think peoples clothes and purses are my business. Maybe they were gifts? Maybe second hand?
I think welfare reform should includ job training, classes, and one on one help on whatever they need help with.
Amh- being pro choice isn't being pro abortion.
Also, I understand that we disagree and we can agree to disagree. I'm not trying to pick on you, I'm just trying to have a debate. :-)
And also- would you have wondered why women having the right to vote all of a sudden became a topic? Or abolishing slavery? Or segregation? Issues come up naturally because society evolves and minds grow and want to change unfair things.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:0e3168cd-c2f9-4818-a292-d846bf13db54">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]On her radio show sometime prior to 2004, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them. 1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence. 4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination? 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your adoring fan, Anonymous Posted by BinxRose[/QUOTE]
All I am going to say in regards to this - is I don't ever reference the bible - it's not the person its the act of homosexuality. HOWEVER, anyone who does attend church and for those who don't - The Old Testament is only taken into regards with the New Testament - the New Testament technically 'trumps' the Old Testament. I can't remember exactly how it's supposed to go - someone else might be able to help me with this - but your supposed to go by the New Testament, anything in the Old Testament (the ones from your note) must be referenced into the New and then tied to present times. Most of the Old Testament - the rules - don't apply to today's society, and no one who is really practicing - at least out of the people I know - actually refer to them.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:78ed6e0c-8651-44aa-9d58-fabfe7921487">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]On for another topic that Katelyn brought up - I can't agree with ProChoice. Not at all. It's murder, you are killing an innocent person- yes I called it a person and not a fetus. Simple as that for me. I get there are so many instances that someone can say 'Oh, I was raped' and 'Oh there was incest' and 'There are medical conditions where the baby won't live, or will be severly handicap' or where the mother could die. But I just can't condone it. Especially with how advanced our medical field is growing every single day. It's another topic that's an I agree to disagree with you. Posted by amh04[/QUOTE] You and I have the exact opposite opinion there. I don't believe it is a person until it is outside of the mother and can be on it's own (not connected to umbilical cord)
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:f1f42470-0bb6-44c9-9572-a6335d461eec">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]Binx- thank you for the doctor Laura letter. I've never seen it. Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
You're welcome :) There was an episode of The West Wing where they basically used that letter for a scene, but changed some of the wording. It was awesome.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:8524342d-ac2d-419f-b247-c6ee296ac2c2">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]Amh- being pro choice isn't being pro abortion. Also, I understand that we disagree and we can agree to disagree. I'm not trying to pick on you, I'm just trying to have a debate. :-) And also- would you have wondered why women having the right to vote all of a sudden became a topic? Or abolishing slavery? Or segregation? Issues come up naturally because society evolves and minds grow and want to change unfair things. Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
I know you're not picking on me. I'm the only one who actually poked her head in here with a different view on things :) I enjoy seeing others views and different points. With Gay Marriage - it truly is just a sticky debate.And you make a really good point about how it's just society growing and changing.
Pro-Choice is allowing people to have the right to chose whether or not they want an aborition - isn't it. So it kind of is being Pro Abortion. Your supporting something another person is going to possibly chose to do. I get how women should have a choice. But I just really can't support abortion, especially when - the most common reason for aborting a pregnancy - the solution could simply be adoption instead.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:c479840d-60f1-407f-b993-807bd74711e0">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I know you're not picking on me. I'm the only one who actually poked her head in here with a different view on things :) I enjoy seeing others views and different points. With Gay Marriage - it truly is just a sticky debate.And you make a really good point about how it's just society growing and changing. Pro-Choice is allowing people to have the right to chose whether or not they want an aborition - isn't it. So it kind of is being Pro Abortion. Your supporting something another person is going to possibly chose to do. I get how women should have a choice. But I just really can't support abortion, especially when - the most common reason for aborting a pregnancy - the solution could simply be adoption instead. Posted by amh04[/QUOTE] My best friend had an abortion in high school. She was in no way ready and would have to leave school. I think she absolutely made the right decision because she is extremely smart. She's an honor student and has such a bright future ahead of her. She's glad she did it as well and has no regrets. She told me the other day though that if she got pregnant again she would most likely have it because she felt she used her "get out of jail free card."
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:e38d46a1-3dc1-4f7a-a346-9d2cd0ff1336">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]10 reasons why gay marriage is wrong 01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning. 02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall. 03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets, because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract. 04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal. 05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed. 06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children. 07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children. 08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America. 09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children. 10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans. Posted by BinxRose[/QUOTE]
If that was directed towards me I think in all of my posts on this subject - I have completely said I disagree with all of these. The only thing I said that was close to any of that was a marriage being between a man and women has been around for 2000+ years.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:c479840d-60f1-407f-b993-807bd74711e0">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I know you're not picking on me. I'm the only one who actually poked her head in here with a different view on things :) I enjoy seeing others views and different points. With Gay Marriage - it truly is just a sticky debate.And you make a really good point about how it's just society growing and changing. Pro-Choice is allowing people to have the right to chose whether or not they want an aborition - isn't it. So it kind of is being Pro Abortion. Your supporting something another person is going to possibly chose to do. I get how women should have a choice. But I just really can't support abortion, especially when - the most common reason for aborting a pregnancy - the solution could simply be adoption instead. Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
Ummm....NO. If I were "pro-abortion" I would advocate for every woman with an unplanned pregnancy to have an abortion. But I am pro-CHOICE which means that I would want that woman to have any CHOICE! Whether that be abortion, adoption, or keeping the baby.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:145a9191-7388-4554-b69e-0d879294b8f8">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : If that was directed towards me I think in all of my posts on this subject - I have completely said I disagree with all of these. The only thing I said that was close to any of that was a marriage being between a man and women has been around for 2000+ years. Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
I just think it's interesting and sharing it with everyone.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:00e9aa50-437d-471a-8035-240476e1ddce">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : It really doesn't boil down to if a married couple does or doesn't believe in God. Marriage has been between a man and a women for 2000 years +. For me, I believe what the Bible says about marriage. That's just me. I've grown to the fact that it isn't right to say that people who are homosexual's shouldn't have anything where they can share their lives together more seriously. I think they should have civil unions - all the 'perks and legalities' to marriage, I just don't think it should be called marriage. It really is just my opinion on it, and I know in a political debate you can't say 'oh I believe this and be done with it' but that's just how this topic is for me. I think they can love/care for each other all they want, I think they should be allowed to be beneficaries, to raise children, to have insurance with their SO. But I just don't think it should be called marriage. Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
Marriage wasn't always marriage, and there have been cultures where men have married multiple women, or young girls, and there's cultures where women have married multiple men (in fact, there's a society in China where this is still prevalent).
I agree with Hike (even though you know I respect you, AMH, I do thoroughly disagree with you). I'm an athiest, FI is an athiest. There is no God in our relationship and there will be no God in our marriage. How the various religious institutions define religion is fine - if your church didn't want to call a gay couple "married" or want to accept gay married couples as members, that's fine, but legally we all need the same term. "Separate but equal" didn't go anywhere with civil rights, and it won't work here either. We all need to have the same term legally - if we want, the state can start spelling it "maried" with one "r" and the Church can spell it "married" with two "r"s. I really don't care. But there needs to be a differentiation between what the Church calls it and what the state calls it.
On other controversial opinions, I'm very pro-choice, except during the 3rd trimester. I do believe that after a certain point, the mother's life has to be in imminent danger, or the baby have no chance of survival (like discovering he has no brain), in order to abort. I'm not sure I want them to have to get a court order, as the courts are rarely prompt, but there needs to be some sort of regulation because the vast majority of what people oppose is late term abortion. It happens so incredibly rarely, though, so I don't think it would be a huge deal to legislate against late term abortion. Women would still get to choose for 6 of their 9 months of pregnancy, and I think that's plenty of time.
I believe the fetus is a part of the mother's body until it's capable of living on its own. At that point, and only at that point, I believe it has no legal rights. I don't think the child needs to be born - if a woman is proving herself to be a drug addict, etc. in the last stages of her pregnancy, I believe the state should be able to step in and hospitalize her to protect the child until it's born and then Child Protective Services can than step in.
For some reason I can't quote on my iPad at this moment
Amh- I used to think that I would hands down get an abortion (this was before Tim). Now though, I do question abortion however, I'll never question the right to choose. My feelings have changed and evolved but I still don't believe people should be making laws about my body. I also think, if abortions weren't allowed, there would still be abortions going on. Except there would be no regulations and it would become shady and dangerous.
Zims- obviously I'm pro choice but I don't think an abortion should be described as a get out of jail free card.
I'm just going to put it out there, I am Catholic, I love gay people and I support gay marriage. IMO, it really depends on the society. Homosexuality was such a taboo here and the country is just beginning to open their minds to it, even though it's still such a battle. There are other countries out there, like the Philippines for example where gay people have always been "out." They dress, speak and live however they want to, they even go to church.This is a country that is majority Catholic. I also think that if there are more women lawmakers in the US, the possiblity of gay marriages being passed will be better.
As far as abortion goes, I am in the middle. I do believe that it is a child, not just a fetus. If some idiot fvcks up, it is not right to punish their child for it. Although in cases like a rape, I understand if a woman would not like to have that baby, even though there is always adoption.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:2b120afc-670f-445f-9910-735b383adb43">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : All I am going to say in regards to this - <strong>is I don't ever reference the bible</strong> - it's not the person its the act of homosexuality. HOWEVER, anyone who does attend church and for those who don't - The Old Testament is only taken into regards with the New Testament - the New Testament technically 'trumps' the Old Testament. I can't remember exactly how it's supposed to go - someone else might be able to help me with this - but your supposed to go by the New Testament, anything in the Old Testament (the ones from your note) must be referenced into the New and then tied to present times. Most of the Old Testament - the rules - don't apply to today's society, and no one who is really practicing - at least out of the people I know - actually refer to them. Posted by amh04[/QUOTE] Sorry, what?
[QUOTE]My exception is Gay Marriage. It's definitely an unpopular belief but I think it was Santoriom (sp) that said it best or maybe it was Romney, I can't remember. But I think they should be allowed to have civil unions - where they can have all the legalities of marriage. BUT I don't like the idea of calling it marriage.<strong> My beliefs are baisically what the bible says</strong> in regards to marriage - it's between one woman and one man. It truly has nothing to do with 'ruining the sanicty of marriage' as some people say. I do know that my views on this subject have changed recently - but in all honesty - I think they should be allowed to have civil unions that are honored in all 50 states and they should be allowed to adopt children if they can provide a loving caring home for them. I just don't think it should be called marriage.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] It really doesn't boil down to if a married couple does or doesn't believe in God. Marriage has been between a man and a women for 2000 years +.<strong> For me, I believe what the Bible says about marriage.</strong> That's just me. I've grown to the fact that it isn't right to say that people who are homosexual's shouldn't have anything where they can share their lives together more seriously. I think they should have civil unions - all the 'perks and legalities' to marriage, I just don't think it should be called marriage. It really is just my opinion on it, and I know in a political debate you can't say 'oh I believe this and be done with it' but that's just how this topic is for me. I think they can love/care for each other all they want, I think they should be allowed to be beneficaries, to raise children, to have insurance with their SO. But I just don't think it should be called marriage.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]It's just a topic that is just an agree to disagree topic. The reality of being able to make a decision - because it will have to be a federal choice, especially with the military allowing gay's to serve, they will want to be able to have dependents - I know I won't be making it regardless of who I vote for. <strong>For me - it's the bible - </strong>but outside of that for 2000+ years it's been a man and a women in a marriage. I'm sure not every person for the past 2000 years has believed in God. I kind of question why all of a sudden it seems this is coming up, and happening. I'm guessing because Gay's were quiet about it for so long, it was just kept a hush hush secret? I like Gay people, and have Gay friends (I do find it funny in these topics everyone goes, I have Gay friends lol) and I don't want to discriminate towards them, because it's not them I have an issue with - ultimately it's the act is what it boils down to, BUT I just don't think it should really be called marriage. That's all.[/QUOTE]
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:c479840d-60f1-407f-b993-807bd74711e0">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE] Pro-Choice is allowing people to have the right to chose whether or not they want an aborition - isn't it. <strong>So it kind of is being Pro Abortion</strong>. Your supporting something another person is going to possibly chose to do. I get how women should have a choice. But I just really can't support abortion, especially when - the most common reason for aborting a pregnancy - the solution could simply be adoption instead. Posted by amh04[/QUOTE] It's absolutely NOT! Amh, you know I like you and we have disccused our faith, but I'm Pro Choice because it's not my place to tell anyone what to do with their own body. However, I would never, have never had an abortion. But that's just me. They can both exist peacefully in my mind; I hope you can see the gray area that exist for others, wherever you personally fall on the issue.
Can I just tell y'all the the statistics on hunger in American really frighten me. I mean there are kids all over this country who only get to eat at school. I know a lot of local churches who fill backpacks with food for kids to eat over the weekend. The collect them on Tuesdays, youth groups and some Sunday school groups fill them on Wednesdays and deliver them to the schools on Friday's. The food is 100% donated by church members. I've done this, and it really pisses me off that when you get the backpacks they WREAK of cigarette smoke. Seriously?! You can afford to smoke, but I'm feeding your child?! Get your priorities in order please.
I wonder what the percentage of people who receive welfare/disability/government assistance of any type who are also smokers is... (does that make sense?)
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:c479840d-60f1-407f-b993-807bd74711e0">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I know you're not picking on me. I'm the only one who actually poked her head in here with a different view on things :) I enjoy seeing others views and different points. With Gay Marriage - it truly is just a sticky debate.And you make a really good point about how it's just society growing and changing. Pro-Choice is allowing people to have the right to chose whether or not they want an aborition - isn't it. So it kind of is being Pro Abortion. Your supporting something another person is going to possibly chose to do. I get how women should have a choice. But I just really can't support abortion, especially when - the most common reason for aborting a pregnancy - the solution could simply be adoption instead. Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
I agree 100% with you. As with gay Marriage, I feel like it has been discussed enough, but I have a Catholic gay friend and HE doesn't believe in Gay marriage for some of the reasons that you have stated. Gays should get the legal rights of marraige, but It is really the verbage that he doesn't agree with....He believes a marraige is between a man and wife.
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As far as the Abortion issue..I am working on writing my own little opinion of that...
Re: Discussion Friday!
[QUOTE]Welfare: I agree with Sami on the drug testing. My sister worked at a grocery store and she would have moms come up with kids in Abercrombie her with a designer purse and food stamps. Gay Marriage: They absolutely should be able to marry! Possibly unpopular opinion: I'm very pro choice. I've gone to Planned Parenthood a couple times and I just wanna punch the protestor that's there. My friend yelled at her once when we were driving haha
Posted by Zimsgirl26[/QUOTE]
I can't bold your welfare paragraph but what does wearing Abercrombie have to do with drugs?
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I can't bold your welfare paragraph but what does wearing Abercrombie have to do with drugs?
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
Sorry I should've explained better. There was one lady who would come in dressed in fancy clothes and her kids would be and she'd use food stamps. It's obvious she had money but still got the food stamps. There was also a girl I worked with in high school who got them but had a blackberry and stuff like that plus spent her money on drugs. Ridiculous.
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Sorry I should've explained better. There was one lady who would come in dressed in fancy clothes and her kids would be and she'd use food stamps. It's obvious she had money but still got the food stamps. There was also a girl I worked with in high school who got them but had a blackberry and stuff like that plus spent her money on drugs. Ridiculous.
Posted by Zimsgirl26[/QUOTE]
How did a girl in high school qualify for welfare?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : How did a girl in high school qualify for welfare?
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
I think she may have gotten it when she turned 18 but not for sure. She had a lot of family issues and moved out when she was like 16 or something. Then she moved in with our manager she was sleeping with. It was a super professional environment lol
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For me - it's the bible - but outside of that for 2000+ years it's been a man and a women in a marriage. I'm sure not every person for the past 2000 years has believed in God. I kind of question why all of a sudden it seems this is coming up, and happening. I'm guessing because Gay's were quiet about it for so long, it was just kept a hush hush secret? I like Gay people, and have Gay friends (I do find it funny in these topics everyone goes, I have Gay friends lol) and I don't want to discriminate towards them, because it's not them I have an issue with - ultimately it's the act is what it boils down to, BUT I just don't think it should really be called marriage. That's all.
On for another topic that Katelyn brought up - I can't agree with ProChoice. Not at all. It's murder, you are killing an innocent person- yes I called it a person and not a fetus. Simple as that for me. I get there are so many instances that someone can say 'Oh, I was raped' and 'Oh there was incest' and 'There are medical conditions where the baby won't live, or will be severly handicap' or where the mother could die. But I just can't condone it. Especially with how advanced our medical field is growing every single day. It's another topic that's an I agree to disagree with you.
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[QUOTE]On her radio show sometime prior to 2004, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them. 1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence. 4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination? 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your adoring fan, Anonymous
Posted by BinxRose[/QUOTE]
All I am going to say in regards to this - is I don't ever reference the bible - it's not the person its the act of homosexuality. HOWEVER, anyone who does attend church and for those who don't - The Old Testament is only taken into regards with the New Testament - the New Testament technically 'trumps' the Old Testament. I can't remember exactly how it's supposed to go - someone else might be able to help me with this - but your supposed to go by the New Testament, anything in the Old Testament (the ones from your note) must be referenced into the New and then tied to present times. Most of the Old Testament - the rules - don't apply to today's society, and no one who is really practicing - at least out of the people I know - actually refer to them.
[QUOTE]On for another topic that Katelyn brought up - I can't agree with ProChoice. Not at all. It's murder, you are killing an innocent person- yes I called it a person and not a fetus. Simple as that for me. I get there are so many instances that someone can say 'Oh, I was raped' and 'Oh there was incest' and 'There are medical conditions where the baby won't live, or will be severly handicap' or where the mother could die. But I just can't condone it. Especially with how advanced our medical field is growing every single day. It's another topic that's an I agree to disagree with you.
Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
You and I have the exact opposite opinion there. I don't believe it is a person until it is outside of the mother and can be on it's own (not connected to umbilical cord)
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[QUOTE]Binx- thank you for the doctor Laura letter. I've never seen it.
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
You're welcome :) There was an episode of The West Wing where they basically used that letter for a scene, but changed some of the wording. It was awesome.
[QUOTE]Amh- being pro choice isn't being pro abortion. Also, I understand that we disagree and we can agree to disagree. I'm not trying to pick on you, I'm just trying to have a debate. :-) And also- would you have wondered why women having the right to vote all of a sudden became a topic? Or abolishing slavery? Or segregation? Issues come up naturally because society evolves and minds grow and want to change unfair things.
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
I know you're not picking on me. I'm the only one who actually poked her head in here with a different view on things :) I enjoy seeing others views and different points.
With Gay Marriage - it truly is just a sticky debate.And you make a really good point about how it's just society growing and changing.
Pro-Choice is allowing people to have the right to chose whether or not they want an aborition - isn't it. So it kind of is being Pro Abortion. Your supporting something another person is going to possibly chose to do. I get how women should have a choice. But I just really can't support abortion, especially when - the most common reason for aborting a pregnancy - the solution could simply be adoption instead.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I know you're not picking on me. I'm the only one who actually poked her head in here with a different view on things :) I enjoy seeing others views and different points. With Gay Marriage - it truly is just a sticky debate.And you make a really good point about how it's just society growing and changing. Pro-Choice is allowing people to have the right to chose whether or not they want an aborition - isn't it. So it kind of is being Pro Abortion. Your supporting something another person is going to possibly chose to do. I get how women should have a choice. But I just really can't support abortion, especially when - the most common reason for aborting a pregnancy - the solution could simply be adoption instead.
Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
My best friend had an abortion in high school. She was in no way ready and would have to leave school. I think she absolutely made the right decision because she is extremely smart. She's an honor student and has such a bright future ahead of her. She's glad she did it as well and has no regrets. She told me the other day though that if she got pregnant again she would most likely have it because she felt she used her "get out of jail free card."
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[QUOTE]10 reasons why gay marriage is wrong 01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning. 02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall. 03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets, because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract. 04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal. 05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed. 06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children. 07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children. 08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America. 09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children. 10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.
Posted by BinxRose[/QUOTE]
If that was directed towards me I think in all of my posts on this subject - I have completely said I disagree with all of these. The only thing I said that was close to any of that was a marriage being between a man and women has been around for 2000+ years.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I know you're not picking on me. I'm the only one who actually poked her head in here with a different view on things :) I enjoy seeing others views and different points. With Gay Marriage - it truly is just a sticky debate.And you make a really good point about how it's just society growing and changing. Pro-Choice is allowing people to have the right to chose whether or not they want an aborition - isn't it. So it kind of is being Pro Abortion. Your supporting something another person is going to possibly chose to do. I get how women should have a choice. But I just really can't support abortion, especially when - the most common reason for aborting a pregnancy - the solution could simply be adoption instead.
Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
Ummm....NO. If I were "pro-abortion" I would advocate for every woman with an unplanned pregnancy to have an abortion. But I am pro-CHOICE which means that I would want that woman to have any CHOICE! Whether that be abortion, adoption, or keeping the baby.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : If that was directed towards me I think in all of my posts on this subject - I have completely said I disagree with all of these. The only thing I said that was close to any of that was a marriage being between a man and women has been around for 2000+ years.
Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
I just think it's interesting and sharing it with everyone.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : It really doesn't boil down to if a married couple does or doesn't believe in God. Marriage has been between a man and a women for 2000 years +. For me, I believe what the Bible says about marriage. That's just me. I've grown to the fact that it isn't right to say that people who are homosexual's shouldn't have anything where they can share their lives together more seriously. I think they should have civil unions - all the 'perks and legalities' to marriage, I just don't think it should be called marriage. It really is just my opinion on it, and I know in a political debate you can't say 'oh I believe this and be done with it' but that's just how this topic is for me. I think they can love/care for each other all they want, I think they should be allowed to be beneficaries, to raise children, to have insurance with their SO. But I just don't think it should be called marriage.
Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
Marriage wasn't always marriage, and there have been cultures where men have married multiple women, or young girls, and there's cultures where women have married multiple men (in fact, there's a society in China where this is still prevalent).
I agree with Hike (even though you know I respect you, AMH, I do thoroughly disagree with you). I'm an athiest, FI is an athiest. There is no God in our relationship and there will be no God in our marriage. How the various religious institutions define religion is fine - if your church didn't want to call a gay couple "married" or want to accept gay married couples as members, that's fine, but legally we all need the same term. "Separate but equal" didn't go anywhere with civil rights, and it won't work here either. We all need to have the same term legally - if we want, the state can start spelling it "maried" with one "r" and the Church can spell it "married" with two "r"s. I really don't care. But there needs to be a differentiation between what the Church calls it and what the state calls it.
On other controversial opinions, I'm very pro-choice, except during the 3rd trimester. I do believe that after a certain point, the mother's life has to be in imminent danger, or the baby have no chance of survival (like discovering he has no brain), in order to abort. I'm not sure I want them to have to get a court order, as the courts are rarely prompt, but there needs to be some sort of regulation because the vast majority of what people oppose is late term abortion. It happens so incredibly rarely, though, so I don't think it would be a huge deal to legislate against late term abortion. Women would still get to choose for 6 of their 9 months of pregnancy, and I think that's plenty of time.
I believe the fetus is a part of the mother's body until it's capable of living on its own. At that point, and only at that point, I believe it has no legal rights. I don't think the child needs to be born - if a woman is proving herself to be a drug addict, etc. in the last stages of her pregnancy, I believe the state should be able to step in and hospitalize her to protect the child until it's born and then Child Protective Services can than step in.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : All I am going to say in regards to this - <strong>is I don't ever reference the bible</strong> - it's not the person its the act of homosexuality. HOWEVER, anyone who does attend church and for those who don't - The Old Testament is only taken into regards with the New Testament - the New Testament technically 'trumps' the Old Testament. I can't remember exactly how it's supposed to go - someone else might be able to help me with this - but your supposed to go by the New Testament, anything in the Old Testament (the ones from your note) must be referenced into the New and then tied to present times. Most of the Old Testament - the rules - don't apply to today's society, and no one who is really practicing - at least out of the people I know - actually refer to them.
Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
Sorry, what?
[QUOTE]My exception is Gay Marriage. It's definitely an unpopular belief but I think it was Santoriom (sp) that said it best or maybe it was Romney, I can't remember. But I think they should be allowed to have civil unions - where they can have all the legalities of marriage. BUT I don't like the idea of calling it marriage.<strong> My beliefs are baisically what the bible says</strong> in regards to marriage - it's between one woman and one man. It truly has nothing to do with 'ruining the sanicty of marriage' as some people say. I do know that my views on this subject have changed recently - but in all honesty - I think they should be allowed to have civil unions that are honored in all 50 states and they should be allowed to adopt children if they can provide a loving caring home for them. I just don't think it should be called marriage.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] It really doesn't boil down to if a married couple does or doesn't believe in God. Marriage has been between a man and a women for 2000 years +.<strong> For me, I believe what the Bible says about marriage.</strong> That's just me. I've grown to the fact that it isn't right to say that people who are homosexual's shouldn't have anything where they can share their lives together more seriously. I think they should have civil unions - all the 'perks and legalities' to marriage, I just don't think it should be called marriage. It really is just my opinion on it, and I know in a political debate you can't say 'oh I believe this and be done with it' but that's just how this topic is for me. I think they can love/care for each other all they want, I think they should be allowed to be beneficaries, to raise children, to have insurance with their SO. But I just don't think it should be called marriage.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]It's just a topic that is just an agree to disagree topic. The reality of being able to make a decision - because it will have to be a federal choice, especially with the military allowing gay's to serve, they will want to be able to have dependents - I know I won't be making it regardless of who I vote for.
<strong>For me - it's the bible - </strong>but outside of that for 2000+ years it's been a man and a women in a marriage. I'm sure not every person for the past 2000 years has believed in God. I kind of question why all of a sudden it seems this is coming up, and happening. I'm guessing because Gay's were quiet about it for so long, it was just kept a hush hush secret? I like Gay people, and have Gay friends (I do find it funny in these topics everyone goes, I have Gay friends lol) and I don't want to discriminate towards them, because it's not them I have an issue with - ultimately it's the act is what it boils down to, BUT I just don't think it should really be called marriage. That's all.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] Pro-Choice is allowing people to have the right to chose whether or not they want an aborition - isn't it. <strong>So it kind of is being Pro Abortion</strong>. Your supporting something another person is going to possibly chose to do. I get how women should have a choice. But I just really can't support abortion, especially when - the most common reason for aborting a pregnancy - the solution could simply be adoption instead.
Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
It's absolutely NOT! Amh, you know I like you and we have disccused our faith, but I'm Pro Choice because it's not my place to tell anyone what to do with their own body. However, I would never, have never had an abortion. But that's just me. They can both exist peacefully in my mind; I hope you can see the gray area that exist for others, wherever you personally fall on the issue.
I wonder what the percentage of people who receive welfare/disability/government assistance of any type who are also smokers is... (does that make sense?)
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I know you're not picking on me. I'm the only one who actually poked her head in here with a different view on things :) I enjoy seeing others views and different points. With Gay Marriage - it truly is just a sticky debate.And you make a really good point about how it's just society growing and changing. Pro-Choice is allowing people to have the right to chose whether or not they want an aborition - isn't it. So it kind of is being Pro Abortion. Your supporting something another person is going to possibly chose to do. I get how women should have a choice. But I just really can't support abortion, especially when - the most common reason for aborting a pregnancy - the solution could simply be adoption instead.
Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
I agree 100% with you. As with gay Marriage, I feel like it has been discussed enough, but I have a Catholic gay friend and HE doesn't believe in Gay marriage for some of the reasons that you have stated. Gays should get the legal rights of marraige, but It is really the verbage that he doesn't agree with....He believes a marraige is between a man and wife.
EDITED for clarity.
As far as the Abortion issue..I am working on writing my own little opinion of that...