Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE)

Megbo2012 · July 2012

I'm confused why people are acting like OP's cousin is a victim. The dog is the victim! Some states won't even let the gays marry! Their lame argument is it's a slippery slope and will lead to this sh!t .... So why would people think this was legit? I'd also like to see the invitation you go sent.

baystateapple · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:47b1cd3c-5693-44ec-921c-f744ee566b49">Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE)</a>:
[QUOTE]If she is having a ceremony between herself and an animal then that's her choice. Everyone keeps saying call the authorities but they can't legally do anything unless she isn't meeting her basic needs or unless she is a threat to herself or others. They cannot require or mandate a mental health screening unless she meets one of those criteria. <strong>Nor would they be able to qualify her under animal cruelty unless she is having intercourse with the animal (depending on your state). I am assuming if she loves this animal enough to have a ceremony for the two of them that she loves the creature enough to take care of it, so the other factor -- depending on your state -- would be the only thing that MAY be an issue. This is a family matter.</strong> If her family believes she needs mental health screenings then they need to talk to her about it but if she is over the age of 18 it is her choice. The police will say the same so don't waste their time. The most they would do is agree to have some type of county worker meet with her to discuss her options, IF SHE IS WILLING. Also, it would not be legal but there are people out there who would perform a ceremony for them. No marriage license but a commitment ceremony is much different. They would be able to customize this to fit their needs. I say live and let live as long as no one is getting hurt. <strong>So really this is just something that in our culture is an anomaly but isn't against the law. PLUS its all based on a RUMOR. If you were truly so close to your cousin don't you think you would just show interest in her FI instead of talking to everyone under the sun BUT her? Don't you think that if you showed interest in her life with her FI that eventually the truth would come out?</strong> I think creating all this drama over a rumor is not showing cousinly affection.
Posted by helleb[/QUOTE]

1. Seriously? This is an animal that can't consent to having sex with a human being. I DGAF if it's not provable. I would rather err on the side of caution in this instance and I would hazard a guess that the authorities would too.

2. IT IS NOT AN FI. IT IS A DOG.

3. Are you really, REALLY guilting someone for coming on TK and freaking out because her cousin wants to marry a dog? Are you really trying to make her feel GUILTY for thinking that possible sexual abuse with an animal is wrong?

Jeezum. You think you've seen everything and then this happens.

Megbo2012 · July 2012

Nates I saw that and I was just like....

helleb · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:bfc603ea-1551-454a-b40b-73110cf319d0">Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE)</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE) : I missed that, Nates. Holy fvck, Helleb, the dog is not a fiance! It's a DOG!
Posted by cfaszews25[/QUOTE]

Its a RUMOR. So no one knows if the FI is a human or a dog.

OP go based on facts and not things your family tells you. People should be thinking about this poor girl. If this is all untrue then think about how terrible it would be for her. Get your facts before posting.

Megbo2012 · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:94c7fe40-1161-4b60-92c6-b3fdbbce3b1e">Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE)</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE) : Its a RUMOR. So no one knows if the FI is a human or a dog. OP go based on facts and not things your family tells you. People should be thinking about this poor girl. If this is all untrue then think about how terrible it would be for her. Get your facts before posting.
Posted by helleb[/QUOTE]

<div>How does a rumor like this get started and not get immediately squashed?! OP already revealed the reactions of the family. And yes, this girl is fuuucked up to think this but hello, the poor DOG. </div>

ahhhitsshannyn · July 2012

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCCK IS GOING ON IN HERE. SERIOUSLY.

A DOG. THE GIRL WANTS TO MARRY A DOG.

baystateapple · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:94c7fe40-1161-4b60-92c6-b3fdbbce3b1e">Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE)</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE) : Its a RUMOR. So no one knows if the FI is a human or a dog. OP go based on facts and not things your family tells you. People should be thinking about this poor girl. If this is all untrue then think about how terrible it would be for her. Get your facts before posting.
Posted by helleb[/QUOTE]
Her family TOLD her that it was a dog. HOLYSHIT.

StephBeanWed61502 · July 2012

In Response to Re:Strange and cryptic question sorry for the AE:[QUOTE]In Response to Re:Strange and cryptic question sorry for the AE:To LadyOmnipotent and helleb would you be giving the same responses if OP was talking about rumors that her cousin was having sex with a child? Because this really isn't different.Posted by StephBeanWed61502This is definatly different than having sex with a child.nbsp; And she DOESNT KNOW even if sex is happening! She said she heard all this THROUGH THE GRAPE VINE which means RUMORS!nbsp; This is all based on one post and people are going out of control.nbsp; Yes I don't agree with having sex with an animal but she doesn't even know that crime has been committed.nbsp; If the crime has been committed then she should call animal control but other than that there is nothing they will do.nbsp; Children can speak and are protected differently than animals.nbsp; We have doctors that the county and state are willing to pay to examine children to see if sexual assult or abuse has occured.nbsp; If a child is being married off to an adult that is ILLIGAL but if all she is doing is saying I love my animal and I want to have a ceremony saying I love my animal they will just think she is someone mentally ill that they cannot help.nbsp; Unless a crime is committed then they cannot do anything about it.nbsp; It is not a crime to be mentally ill, it is a crime to hurt yourself or others and neglect yourself depending on the severity and state.nbsp; Posted by helleb[/QUOTE]

First of all, where in the holy hell so you live that marrying AN ANIMAL is legal? And if your point is "it's just a commitment ceremony, not a legal one," a pedophile could use the same exact argument to support a commitment ceremony with a child.

And again, you harp on the fact that OP has only rumors, not facts, to go on. And again, I ask, if OP had heard RUMORS THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE that her cousin was molesting a child, would you still ve saying it was a "family matter"? I hope not.

The point that you refuse to see is that OP has reason to believe that her cousin is having sexual relations with a vulnerable being who is incapable of consent. You seem to be operating from the position that since the vulnerable being is a dog, it's unworthy of protection or intervention and investigation by the appropriate authorities. I disagree with you.

ZombieNates · July 2012

The only other post that's shocked me as much as this one was the AE who's husband went on the camping trips with the tub of porn.

But yeah. Weird.

Also, reading Bay's statement #2 and then seeing Michael Scott's face thrilled me to no end.

midgetthemighty · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:94c7fe40-1161-4b60-92c6-b3fdbbce3b1e">Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE)</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE) : Its a RUMOR. So no one knows if the FI is a human or a dog. OP go based on facts and not things your family tells you. People should be thinking about this poor girl. If this is all untrue then think about how terrible it would be for her. Get your facts before posting.
Posted by helleb[/QUOTE]

Didn't OP say she spoke with the sister and she's the only one that's met this dog and is still somehow okay with the situation? I think that pretty much blows the rumor defense out the window.

ahhhitsshannyn · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:94c7fe40-1161-4b60-92c6-b3fdbbce3b1e">Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE)</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE) : Its a RUMOR. <strong>So no one knows if the FI is a human or a dog</strong>. OP go based on facts and not things your family tells you. People should be thinking about this poor girl. If this is all untrue then think about how terrible it would be for her. Get your facts before posting.
Posted by helleb[/QUOTE]

So if you told someone your husband was a man they should just not believe you until they see his junk with their own eyes? A FAMILY MEMBER TOLD HER IT'S A DOG.

angelstar975 · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:b34b1339-0701-48b4-8fbd-1eaa9458680a">Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE)</a>:
[QUOTE]<strong>The only other post that's shocked me as much as this one was the AE who's husband went on the camping trips with the tub of porn.</strong> But yeah. Weird. Also, reading Bay's statement #2 and then seeing Michael Scott's face thrilled me to no end.
Posted by ZombieNates[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry... what?

ZombieNates · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:2bdb6b98-8328-49e0-89a7-2fed4842c1b5">Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE)</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE) : So if you told someone your husband was a man they should just not believe you until they see his junk with their own eyes? A FAMILY MEMBER TOLD HER IT'S A DOG.
Posted by ahhhitsshannyn[/QUOTE]
Obviously. If people don't have wedding sig pics, I will only believe it's a rumor that they married a man until they show me proof.

musicalsunlight · July 2012

I think ladyomnipotent and Helleb can go fuckoff thanks very much.

baystateapple · July 2012

This would be one of those cases where I think I'd be GLAD to report it to the authorities only to find out that it was a total crock.

I'd much rather have my cousin angry with me than know that I was aware of a dog being abused and did nothing about it.

musicalsunlight · July 2012

Nates that wasnt an AE, wasn't that akhensley?

helleb · July 2012

No one knows they are having sex. I said that she needs to get her facts straight before bringing in authorities. I never said sex with is a dog is okay. I said TALK TO YOUR COUSIN. I even said if you have evidence she is having sex with the dog call animal control.

Good lord people, read! Everyone is up in arms over something you don't even know is real. Obviously the OP wasn't too concerned with the animal if her main worry was whether to attend the "wedding". I personally think this is all attention seeking behavior but thats just me.

ladyomnipotent · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:2d3c6d38-8f64-432f-9fbf-f9ad72297a81">Re:Strange and cryptic question sorry for the AE</a>:
[QUOTE]To LadyOmnipotent and helleb would you be giving the same responses if OP was talking about rumors that her cousin was having sex with a child? Because this really isn't different.
Posted by StephBeanWed61502[/QUOTE]
I'm not so much trying to tell the OP to wait as I am trying to get her to think about the strength of her claim. Sure, she can call the police and say she thinks her cousin is sexually abusing her dog, but I don't know how much that will accomplish if she can't name any instances of it happening or she doesn't have anyone else to testify the same. Marrying a dog does not = having sex with the dog.

When my brother was very little, he made some comment that an adult decided to report to the school. It was a harmless comment, but he had to go through therapy and all this other stuff to prove that he wasn't being sexually abused at home, and my parents had to spend a lot of money and go through a lot of heartache to prove that nothing was happening at home. All for just one sentence he heard from a movie or something. It was one of the worst things my parents went through. We need to treat these matters seriously, and that means doing more than just having a knee-jerk reaction.

I'm glad OP is going to get more information.

musicalsunlight · July 2012

In Response to Re:Strange and cryptic question sorry for the AE:[QUOTE]No one knows they are having sex.nbsp; I said that she needs to get her facts straight before bringing in authorities.nbsp; I never said sex with is a dog is okay.nbsp; I said TALK TO YOUR COUSIN.nbsp; I even said if you have evidence she is having sex with the dog call animal control.nbsp; Good lord people, read!nbsp; Everyone is up in arms over something you don't even know is real.nbsp; Obviously the OP wasn't too concerned with the animal if her main worry was whether to attend the "wedding".nbsp; I personally think this is all attention seeking behavior but thats just me. Posted by helleb[/QUOTE]

I honestly think you're a fucking dense twat but that's just me.

ZombieNates · July 2012

I forget, Musu--I didn't want to accuse anyone because that was pretty weird. Also, I didn't mean to threadjack.

Helleb, I agree that no one KNOWS the girl is having sex or plans on having sex with the dog, but the fact that's she marrying it kind of suggests that, no? I mean, if not, why not have a friendship ceremony or something. Husbands and wives sleep together--it's kind of their thing.

StephBeanWed61502 · July 2012

In Response to Re:Strange and cryptic question sorry for the AE:[QUOTE]No one knows they are having sex.nbsp; I said that she needs to get her facts straight before bringing in authorities.nbsp; I never said sex with is a dog is okay.nbsp; I said TALK TO YOUR COUSIN.nbsp; I even said if you have evidence she is having sex with the dog call animal control.nbsp; Good lord people, read!nbsp; Everyone is up in arms over something you don't even know is real.nbsp; Obviously the OP wasn't too concerned with the animal if her main worry was whether to attend the "wedding".nbsp; I personally think this is all attention seeking behavior but thats just me. Posted byy helleb[/QUOTE]

How about you read?! My question to you that you refuse to answer is, if OP came here and said "I have heard rumors that my cousin is planning to marry a five year old boy and I think she may be having sex with the boy but she hasn't told me this directly, what should I do?" would you be giving the same answer as you are about the dog?

ladyomnipotent · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:c563054f-b095-4d5a-a8c2-38a6ae478fd7">Re:Strange and cryptic question sorry for the AE</a>:
[QUOTE]I think ladyomnipotent and Helleb can go fuckoff thanks very much.
Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]
That's pretty uncalled for. I've said nothing unreasonable, and I certainly haven't insulted anyone.

musicalsunlight · July 2012

This is so not the same as a little boy crying wolf.

helleb · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:c103135d-d56f-4f78-a9c7-7df590b89a20">Re:Strange and cryptic question sorry for the AE</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re:Strange and cryptic question sorry for the AE : I'm not so much trying to tell the OP to wait as I am trying to get her to think about the strength of her claim. Sure, she can call the police and say she thinks her cousin is sexually abusing her dog, but I don't know how much that will accomplish if she can't name any instances of it happening or she doesn't have anyone else to testify the same. Marrying a dog does not = having sex with the dog. When my brother was very little, he made some comment that an adult decided to report to the school. It was a harmless comment, but he had to go through therapy and all this other stuff to prove that he wasn't being sexually abused at home, and my parents had to spend a lot of money and go through a lot of heartache to prove that nothing was happening at home. All for just one sentence he heard from a movie or something. It was one of the worst things my parents went through. We need to treat these matters seriously, and that means doing more than just having a knee-jerk reaction. I'm glad OP is going to get more information.
Posted by ladyomnipotent[/QUOTE]

I agree. These things aren't just "small matters" they are people's lives here. If a report is made that stays with them their ENTIRE lives. Even if its found to be untrue it still is on paper that the report was made. It can change many things including how others see them in the community or within the family unit. RUMORS and allegations are serious. No one is saying not to protect the animal. I think facts need to be looked at, the drama needs to be taken out and people need to look at this as life changing decisions.

musicalsunlight · July 2012

I don't really care if you have remained civil, lady. I think your ideas are ridiculous and you can take your ball and go home.

Megbo2012 · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:66aa2c4f-96da-4048-8af1-58a4449baf32">Re: Strange and cryptic question (sorry for the AE)</a>:
[QUOTE]I forget, Musu--I didn't want to accuse anyone because that was pretty weird. Also, I didn't mean to threadjack. Helleb, I agree that no one KNOWS the girl is having sex or plans on having sex with the dog, but the fact that's she marrying it kind of suggests that, no? I mean, if not, why not have a friendship ceremony or something. <strong>Husbands and wives sleep together--it's kind of their thing.</strong>
Posted by ZombieNates[/QUOTE]

<div>Sometimes, FI's sleep together too. Seeing as this "couple" is kind of unconventional..it's not impossible. </div><div>
</div><div>Helleb you are INSUFFERABLE. What is the purpose of you being here? What are you adding to this, other than more problems? </div>

texasgurly13 · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:c103135d-d56f-4f78-a9c7-7df590b89a20">Re:Strange and cryptic question sorry for the AE</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re:Strange and cryptic question sorry for the AE : I'm not so much trying to tell the OP to wait as I am trying to get her to think about the strength of her claim. Sure, she can call the police and say she thinks her cousin is sexually abusing her dog, but I don't know how much that will accomplish if she can't name any instances of it happening or she doesn't have anyone else to testify the same. Marrying a dog does not = having sex with the dog. When my brother was very little, he made some comment that an adult decided to report to the school. It was a harmless comment, but he had to go through therapy and all this other stuff to prove that he wasn't being sexually abused at home, and my parents had to spend a lot of money and go through a lot of heartache to prove that nothing was happening at home. All for just one sentence he heard from a movie or something. It was one of the worst things my parents went through. We need to treat these matters seriously, and that means doing more than just having a knee-jerk reaction. I'm glad OP is going to get more information.
Posted by ladyomnipotent[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>But if she even SUSPECTS its happening, she is well within her right to call the authorities. And she should. She doesn't have to have the concrete evidence. </div><div>
</div><div>This thread is starting to make me all ragey. </div><div>
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Megbo2012 · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:684e56ff-04af-4328-a768-7d1d0f1aa1dd">Re:Strange and cryptic question sorry for the AE</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re:Strange and cryptic question sorry for the AE : That's pretty uncalled for.<strong> I've said nothing unreasonable, </strong>and I certainly haven't insulted anyone.
Posted by ladyomnipotent[/QUOTE]
<img id="thumbnail_photo_3772239373" style="cursor:pointer;background-color:transparent;width:300px;height:400px;" class="image_thumbnail enlarged" src="http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldologYbFM1qcpdqto1_400.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="200" /><div>
</div><div>that's debatable.</div>

baystateapple · July 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_strange-and-cryptic-question-sorry-for-the-ae?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:eff5f159-869b-4f34-bfc6-543b887aa44aPost:c103135d-d56f-4f78-a9c7-7df590b89a20">Re:Strange and cryptic question sorry for the AE</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re:Strange and cryptic question sorry for the AE : I'm not so much trying to tell the OP to wait as I am trying to get her to think about the strength of her claim. Sure, she can call the police and say she thinks her cousin is sexually abusing her dog, but I don't know how much that will accomplish if she can't name any instances of it happening or she doesn't have anyone else to testify the same. Marrying a dog does not = having sex with the dog. When my brother was very little, he made some comment that an adult decided to report to the school. It was a harmless comment, but he had to go through therapy and all this other stuff to prove that he wasn't being sexually abused at home, and my parents had to spend a lot of money and go through a lot of heartache to prove that nothing was happening at home. All for just one sentence he heard from a movie or something. It was one of the worst things my parents went through. We need to treat these matters seriously, and that means doing more than just having a knee-jerk reaction. I'm glad OP is going to get more information.
Posted by ladyomnipotent[/QUOTE]

While I'm sorry that your brother made a comment that resulted in your parents going through a lot of shiiit because of it, this is an entirely different situation.

This is a dog. A dog can't say if it wants to have sex or not. A dog can't call the authorities and say that it's being assaulted or forced to marry someone. A dog can't even understand that it is being abused. There is no chance that a dog is going to go into a crowd of people and make an offhand comment that is going to result in either the truth being discovered, or the cousin being raked over the coals unfairly.

This is one of those situations, like Cfas said, where it is better to err on the side of caution.

Megbo2012 · July 2012

Uhmm guys? No one here is treating this like it's a small issue. We were just encouraging OP to take her head out of the sand and do something, rather than just not go to the "wedding" because she didn't agree.

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