Suicide Workshop at work today and I have a question for you based on it (possibly morbid)

ricksang · March 2012

I attempted suicide twice as a teen and shortly (fleeting thought) considered it a while back.

jemmini6 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Suicide Workshop at work today and I have a question for you based on it (possibly morbid) : I'm glad that worked for you. I wish it worked for more people. Unfortunately, I find that tagline to be asinine and unrealistic for someone that's seriously contemplating suicide.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

I completely agree, but in context, it was brought up at a middle school assembly, I believe over a kid making a comment about suicide due to bullying. For a 10-11 year old in that situation (mild bullying, no clinical depression), I still thought it was a good way to show how serious suicide is, and it just stuck with me.

But yeah, in no way to I want to belittle how serious suicidal thoughts and depression can be. That's a whole different ballgame.

brookerich · March 2012

I answered yes. I "seriously" thought about it once. And it hit me like a truck. Before that I'd always had thoughts like "I just wish I were dead" at times but at this particular point I was going thru a really rough time, I was in my car and I seriously had the thought of putting a gun to my head and it being over. I mean it was just a flash thru my head of how easy it would be. Scared the sheeeot out of me and I got some counseling. It scared me that a thought could enter my head so clearly and so quickly, and that I could have such peace about such a thought

ricksang · March 2012

I think it the world we live in today stress and pressure can make anyone depressed and a little suicidal. The women in my family are self destructive. Two of my relatives killed themselves. I go to counseling so that I stay on track with my ED because THAT is the main reason for my depression and suicidal thoughts.

Nebb · March 2012

From what I've read nates, its partly because of the high levels of unemployment in my city. We have lost a lot of factory and manufacturing jobs and have one of the worst economies in the country. I looked it up and someone kills themself here once ever 7 or 9 days :S

Rockerchick842 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Suicide Workshop at work today and I have a question for you based on it (possibly morbid) : My uncle shot himself to death. But then you hear stories of people that 'miss' or don't do it right and end up living in worse misery. If I were going to do it, itd be pills/alcohol or car running in a closed garage. I couldn't do the car wreck thing either. Well, this was not an optimistic post. Oy.
Posted by jcbsjr[/QUOTE]

Women are statistically more likely to commit suicide in a way that isn't messy (for lack of a better word). Men usually choose more violent/messy ways and women choose softer/less violent ways.

ricksang · March 2012

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[QUOTE]And ricks, Edie, Koda. I'm glad you didn't succeed. Y'all are awesome. The world is a better place with you guys in it. And that's the effing truth.
Posted by jcbsjr[/QUOTE]
TY JC I am glad I didn't either. Life is too awesome to miss now!

ZombieNates · March 2012

Wow, thank you guys for sharing such personal stories and experiences--it makes the whole issue a lot more real for me.

Yeah, the social worker told us that girls are more likely to choose pills, then firearms, respectively, whereas boys choose firearms first. Overall, guns were the choice of tool, which I found surprising. I thought it would be pills or hanging.

jlmonpe · March 2012

i quite frequently thought about it. mostly in high school... im what is labeled a "self injurer" and that is how i dealt with my depression and panic attacks..although it was more about finding a release than about actually wanting to die. I had my daughter at 19 and that totally and completely changed my life. she saved me from myself for s ure.. i only wish that she could have saved her father..he committed suicide 5 months ago.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

Ive never thought about it. Also, when I was in HS there wasnt all this awareness about it either since it never happened.

celticmyss · March 2012

I thought about it with varying degrees of seriousness at several points in my life. The main thing that stopped me were the knowledge of how devastated my family would be.

I have had two friends in my life who found their parent dead after they committed suicide. Another was told by an uncle that he was going to kill himself. When the kid told his aunt, she confronted him and the uncle blew his brains out in front of her.

All three of those people have had serious mental health issues since those events. The more people like them that I met the more I knew it was something I could never do.

I was also worried that I would do it "wrong" and end up paralyzed or a vegetable.

ricksang · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Suicide Workshop at work today and I have a question for you based on it (possibly morbid) : Fuuck yeah. Tbh, this thread is kind of making me want to seek out volunteer suicide prevention. The thought of you guys not being here seriously makes me sad. I know I haven't met ricks, Koda, or edie IRL but I believe you guys to be such cool chicks.
Posted by jcbsjr[/QUOTE]
JC that's so sweet of you and you should volunteer! The world needs caring people.

ZombieNates · March 2012

Mrs. J, the social worker told us we have at least 2 kids a month who go out on psych evals and all. He said there were probably more, but a lot of the times the parents don't disclose the information to the counselor, so we don't even know it's going on.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

Mrs Jesse- It didnt happen at any of the schools and didnt happen in my community. It wasnt on anyones radar because it wasnt happening here.

There were no suicide attempts, no cutters, none of that stuff.

ricksang · March 2012

It happened a lot in my community but it was all boys who succeeded at least. To think about it now, I find it selfish that I would do that to my family.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Suicide Workshop at work today and I have a question for you based on it (possibly morbid) : That's interesting.... I wonder why/how your community was able to avoid it? Just out of my own curiousity, do you think really no one was attempting, or do you think no one was reporting?
Posted by mrs.jesse[/QUOTE]

I dont think anyone was attempting. But im 32, noone even knew what cutting and all that was when I was in middle/high school. Its a new phenomenon in my eyes. Not saying it didnt happen other places at the time, but it didnt happen here. I grew up in a different era. Teachers could discipline us (obviously not hitting), we picked teams for dodgeball, kept score at soccer games, got 1st place trophies, etc. We learned coping skills at a young age, so disappointment was something that we knew how to handle from a very young age.

ZombieNates · March 2012

I learned that statistically more boys succeed because they use firearms (so no chance of surviving until someone finds them, etc), but more girls attempt.

ricksang · March 2012

Yes, Nates, my husband and I were talking about this. Women use pills or cut their wrists and men use guns, which of course can cause more damage.

ZombieNates · March 2012

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[QUOTE]Yes, Nates, my husband and I were talking about this. Women use pills or cut their wrists and men use guns, which of course can cause more damage.
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]
It was really interesting to learn about the differences between men and women--I guess I figured you'd do what you were more comfortable with--but to see such large patterns of behavior was interesting (and sad).

Blueyed228 · March 2012

Mrs Jesse- the only kid who killed himself did so because he was trying to scare his sister so he was going to "pretend" to hang himself in a closet by hiding the chair behind some boxes. The chair slipped out from underneath him and he did actually kill himself.

The others were overdoses from drugs like heroin. But that wasnt until i was out of hs.

ricksang · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Suicide Workshop at work today and I have a question for you based on it (possibly morbid) : It was really interesting to learn about the differences between men and women--I guess I figured you'd do what you were more comfortable with--but to see such large patterns of behavior was interesting (and sad).
Posted by ZombieNates[/QUOTE]
I remeber ODing because I wanted to be "pretty" when I was found. I also thought that would be less traumatizing on my family. <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-undecided.gif" border="0" alt="Undecided" title="Undecided" />

I was pretty frikkin sick in my teens.

ricksang · March 2012

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[QUOTE]Mrs Jesse- the only kid who killed himself did so because he was trying to scare his sister so he was going to "pretend" to hang himself in a closet by hiding the chair behind some boxes. <strong>The chair slipped out from underneath him and he did actually kill himself</strong>. The others were overdoses from drugs like heroin. But that wasnt until i was out of hs.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]
OMG that's very sad :(

ZombieNates · March 2012

No one (that I heard of) committed suicide when I was in HS, but now that we're older, I've heard some crazy stories of people self-mutilating. I was pretty shocked to hear about it. It's kind of scary when you think about how people can have a facade of..I don't want to say normalcy, but I mean that they have this mask of everything being normal and it's really not. It must be so hard for some people to ask for help, which makes me really sad.

ZombieNates · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Suicide Workshop at work today and I have a question for you based on it (possibly morbid) : Yep. I personally know 3 people who have committed suicide, and another 7 who have attempted; all 3 suicides were male (1 hanging, 1 C02 poisoning, 1 rifle bullet through the chest), and of the 7 attempts, 6 were female (cutting, pills, car crashes, etc). What you were talking about earlier too (more suicides mid semester, and in the spring) we used to talk about a lot in the Psychology of Death & Dying classes I took in college. It was in the early 90s up here when suicide research was really starting to recognize these patterns, and it was then that colleges/universities/schools implemented Reading Weeks/Spring Break, to "release" some of the pressure. The early spring thing is also (up here anyway) partially because of our long winters- depressed/suicidal people begin to feel like winter will never end, and winters are quite gloomy, and it drags them into a hole they can't get out of.
Posted by mrs.jesse[/QUOTE]
Oh, wow, that's interesting and makes a lot of sense. He said another theory was that once spring hits and people are out and about, looking happy and enjoying themselves, it can become unbearable for someone with suicidal tendencies to see.

I have to say, we all complained about the in-service because we've done it before, but I feel like I learned a lot.

ricksang · March 2012

It's a good in-service to have!

celticmyss · March 2012

I'm the same age as Blue I knew several people who cut themselves in middle and high school. Suicide was also talked about and I had a few friends who spent some time as inpatients in a metal health facility. I am not aware of anyone who successfully killed themselves in my school but I think there were 2-3 known attempts and a few more rumored ones.

Girlie1030 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Suicide Workshop at work today and I have a question for you based on it (possibly morbid) : I dont think anyone was attempting. But im 32, noone even knew what cutting and all that was when I was in middle/high school. Its a new phenomenon in my eyes. Not saying it didnt happen other places at the time, but it didnt happen here. I grew up in a different era. Teachers could discipline us (obviously not hitting), we picked teams for dodgeball, kept score at soccer games, got 1st place trophies, etc. We learned coping skills at a young age, so disappointment was something that we knew how to handle from a very young age.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

This is interesting. I'm older than you and grew up in a similar environment (meaning picked for teams, actually got 1st place when it was earned, etc.. Though our school did have corporal punishment.) but I do remember being exposed to cutting and a couple of kids in my school attempted suicide (thankfully weren't successful).

Blueyed228 · March 2012

I dont know. Its not like I live in Pleasantville, lol. Its just didnt happen here.

ZombieNates · March 2012

MrsJ--Here, they get on one new "principle" and shove it down our throats. Currently, we're on Understanding By Design (Backwards Design/Inquiry learning blah blah) and we've had, like, ten in-services on it. We're usually bitter about it :P

The best one we've had were this one and one on reporting bullying/Title IX issues--plus, they're practical and things that we really might need help with, kwim?

Rockerchick842 · March 2012

I never knew of a student that committed/attempted suicide while I was in school. In HS, I knew other SI-ers, but that was because I was one. It was my experience, that the issue was glossed over. Teachers treated the SI-ers that got "found out" as if they were delinquents, not young adults in need of help.

My father has attempted suicide several times, and I wouldn't want my husband/family to experience the issues I've faced with my father's attempts.

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