S/O Nigerian Bomber... What Could Have Been Done to Prevent it?

ootmother2 · December 2009

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_nigerian-bomber-could-done-prevent?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:c7f611ed-f630-4a8b-8c69-a2a9627e024ePost:565a79ba-66a7-4555-9d6a-fdb7d92b8e51">Re: S/O Nigerian Bomber... What Could Have Been Done to Prevent it?</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: S/O Nigerian Bomber... What Could Have Been Done to Prevent it? : I really do not know how that all works. I think the dad voiced his concerns about his son, but did not have anything specific on how he might carry something out. So unless there is some sort of book with a picture of EVERY single 'possible' terrorist sitting in EVERY airport around the world, I'm not sure how he would have been caught. Outside of getting everyone in the in the entire world's eye identifcation. I'm not really sure how you can stop this 100%
Posted by lyndausvi[/QUOTE]

should have
would have

I agree with Lynda.

Most of you know that I'm WTC survivor and I can't think one real precaution that could have been,or should be taken to totally prevent terrorism.

I flew home the day after Christmas and thesecurity was
in full force. But was it enough? Probably not

AmoroAgain · December 2009

I think there can be such a thing as "smart" profiling, wherein you don't base the extra security upon such ridiculous things as skin color and religion, but you look at the entire package. Where have they been, how long were they there, and various other tells.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown · December 2009

Well, I do think the whole international-flight-with-no-checked-luggage thing is perhaps a form of "profiling" that is really justified.

ExpatPumpkin · December 2009

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_nigerian-bomber-could-done-prevent?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:c7f611ed-f630-4a8b-8c69-a2a9627e024ePost:fe92133c-5b93-4670-946a-a6e0c37dabb5">Re: S/O Nigerian Bomber... What Could Have Been Done to Prevent it?</a>:
[QUOTE]Well, I do think the whole international-flight-with-no-checked-luggage thing is perhaps a form of "profiling" that is really justified.
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>Yes, but if he really were a Sudanese refugee he'd be lucky just to have a pair of shoes... Much less actual luggage.</div><div>
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tidetravel · December 2009

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_nigerian-bomber-could-done-prevent?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:c7f611ed-f630-4a8b-8c69-a2a9627e024ePost:fe92133c-5b93-4670-946a-a6e0c37dabb5">Re: S/O Nigerian Bomber... What Could Have Been Done to Prevent it?</a>:
[QUOTE]Well, I do think the whole international-flight-with-no-checked-luggage thing is perhaps a form of "profiling" that is really justified.
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]

Uh. yeah it is, and it isn't profiling. There are indicators and trends that indicate people are up to no good and it has nothing to do with skin color. If someone's flying on a one way ticket from a source county w/ no checked bags and they bought the ticket the day before travel, paying with cash, that's someone that needs to be looked at. Its possible that the person had an emergency and had to come home without notice. It's just as possible (and possibly more likely) that something's up,

If the US Consulate knew of his ties, his visa should have been revoked, however, there are ways around the system, and terrorists and drug runners know how to exploit the weaknesses.

As far as the documentation issues - he had to have presented some form of ID to the airlines or he would not have been allowed to board. The airlines are penalized if they board passangers without the proper documentation.

ExpatPumpkin · December 2009

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_nigerian-bomber-could-done-prevent?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:c7f611ed-f630-4a8b-8c69-a2a9627e024ePost:78b62f72-d68f-4839-8778-7232fb9f81c4">Re: S/O Nigerian Bomber... What Could Have Been Done to Prevent it?</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: S/O Nigerian Bomber... What Could Have Been Done to Prevent it? : As far as the documentation issues - he had to have presented some form of ID to the airlines or he would not have been allowed to board. The airlines are penalized if they board passangers without the proper documentation.
Posted by tidetravel[/QUOTE]

<div>He really didn't have any sort of ID. No passport, no nothing. He was supposedly a Sudanese refugee. If that were true, it would make perfect sense that he had no ID... People fleeing political persecution and/or genocide in war-torn countries can't be expected to get their documents in order beforehand.</div><div>
</div><div>These sort of immigration issues are sorted out once the refugee arrives to the U.S. Airlines would be fined for allowing you or me on a flight without ID, but not someone claiming refugee status. </div>

LesPaul · December 2009

I honestly apologize if I offended anyone. Yes, I am a white woman who has probably never been profiled in my entire life. My point is that there are certain groups of people who are prone to terrorist activities, particularly in regards to air travel. The FBI and other international authorities are well aware of who these groups of people are. I am not certainly singling out any particular race or ethnicity. I am absolutely not in favor of out-and-out racist profiling in all circumstances. . . this is obviously wrong. But American TSA security is inadequate to prevent terrorist acts on our own soil. We ignore red flags and worry too much about hurting feelings and being PC. We are too worried about putting chapstick in a ziplock bag and let the obvious go for fear of offending someone. Ask the tough questions. Screen the passengers appropriately. That's my point. I'm sorry if you disagree with my opinion.

tidetravel · December 2009

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_nigerian-bomber-could-done-prevent?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:c7f611ed-f630-4a8b-8c69-a2a9627e024ePost:22c29334-59e4-4a55-a07b-04a82e209793">Re: S/O Nigerian Bomber... What Could Have Been Done to Prevent it?</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: S/O Nigerian Bomber... What Could Have Been Done to Prevent it? : He really didn't have any sort of ID. No passport, no nothing. He was supposedly a Sudanese refugee. If that were true, it would make perfect sense that he had no ID... People fleeing political persecution and/or genocide in war-torn countries can't be expected to get their documents in order beforehand. These sort of immigration issues are sorted out once the refugee arrives to the U.S. Airlines would be fined for allowing you or me on a flight without ID, but not someone claiming refugee status.
Posted by ExpatPumpkin[/QUOTE]

One has to apply to and be accepted to the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for consideration as a refugee prior to arrival in the US. My guess is he had fraud docs which is how he boarded the plane.

tidetravel · December 2009

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_nigerian-bomber-could-done-prevent?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:c7f611ed-f630-4a8b-8c69-a2a9627e024ePost:116d5e84-26d5-4914-914e-b7fda5cb4177">Re: S/O Nigerian Bomber... What Could Have Been Done to Prevent it?</a>:
[QUOTE]I honestly apologize if I offended anyone. Yes, I am a white woman who has probably never been profiled in my entire life. My point is that there are certain groups of people who are prone to terrorist activities, particularly in regards to air travel. The FBI and other international authorities are well aware of who these groups of people are. I am not certainly singling out any particular race or ethnicity. I am absolutely not in favor of out-and-out racist profiling in all circumstances. . . this is obviously wrong. But American TSA security is inadequate to prevent terrorist acts on our own soil. We ignore red flags and worry too much about hurting feelings and being PC. We are too worried about putting chapstick in a ziplock bag and let the obvious go for fear of offending someone. Ask the tough questions. Screen the passengers appropriately. That's my point. I'm sorry if you disagree with my opinion.
Posted by LesPaul[/QUOTE]

My co-worker was interviewing a mid-50's white male US Citizen upon his arrival to the US. Dude was pissed and of course pulled the whole "why are you searching my bags; do I look like a terrorist?" (coworker is black) His response: "Can you say Timothy McVeigh?"

If all terrorists looked the same it would make my job a lot easier. Unfortunately, the don't. One trend in recent years has been for terrorists and drug runners to recruit young and middle aged white europeans, because they are not throught of as fitting a "profile;" which iis why we don't profile :)

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