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Battling Bridesmaids...

Cliff's Notes Version for those that want to skim it first, more details (if desired below).

I'm upset bc I feel like I should've stood up for the girl I've been friends with the longest when she was being bullied by another BM. I didn't want to make the situation worse, so I didn't.

Now I have one rude friend who may or may not know that she was being a jerk. And another friend who feels as though I've betrayed her for not standing up for her.

On one hand, I want to tell the friend to grow up and fight her own battles. And on the other I want to apologize to her and yell at the other.  And then again, I kinda just want to say whatever, do what you want.

Longer, detailed version:

Recently my bridesmaids and I went out of town for the weekend to go dress shopping. The idea was to have a fun girls weekend and get something accomplished as well. 

Saturday morning, everything is fine until we find out that a car in the parking lot (though not any of our cars) was broken into and everything in it was stolen.  While this is cause for concern for most, Amy has a 2010 Camaro with less than 2000 miles on it.  She was more than concerned and was pretty much the only thing discussed for 20 minutes. It was annoying to everyone, but Nicole just kept saying :if they wanted your car or soemthing from it, they would've taken it. Move on and get over it." --Understandable, but seriously, it's a BRAND NEW CAR! Who wouldn't be overprotective. The solution, Amy took her car as well and I rode with her.

At the dress shops and lunch, it felt like anytime Amy would say something, Nicole would cut her off, give her a dirty look, ignore her, or say something argumentative.  The tension kept growing and growing.  The other girls noticed it too. 

While headiing back to the hotel, Amy said to me that she wasn't sure if she could handle Nicole; that she's (nicole) always been rude to her since high school for reasons beyond her understanding; and she didn't think it would be fair to me if things continued to escalate. Naively, I thought she was referring to the weekend, not the wedding.  I told her I completely understood and I would support whatever decision she made.

So when we all got back to the hotel, Amy packed her things and said a friend from the area was fighting with her spouse and she was going to head out.  She and I talked on the way to her car and I thought we were on the same page. I wasn't going to address Nicole until later in the week after we returned home to avoid making it even worse. (The rest of us couldn't take off in our cars; we were stuck in a hotel and single vehicle with her. Why make a bad situation worse?)

I talked to Amy over the next 2 or 3 days and things seemed fine.  But then, she stopped initiating any contact, replies to my texts were short responses, and phone calls were not answered.

I emailed her and said I felt like she was mad at me but I couldn't figure out why. Her response was... well, fairly intense.

She said she felt like she was a little kid on the playground being bullied and I wasn't there to defend her.  She's upset that she had to put forth more everything (money, miles, time, etc) to spend the weekend with us, but I was willing to let her walk out without a fight. Because she spent the weekend out of town with us for me, she has to spend her bday alone due to scheduling issues with her and her spouse.  And lastly, she will not be in the wedding bc that will be the easiest way to avoid conflict. However she will still attend the wedding and is excited for it.

Any thoughts or ideas about how to handle the situation?

Re: Battling Bridesmaids...

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    [QUOTE]Recently my bridesmaids and I went out of town for the weekend to go dress shopping. The idea was to have a fun girls weekend and get something accomplished as well.  Planning for the trip was fine.  Nicole (BM-known for 11 years, friends for 5) was a little pushy bc she's a planner and is kind of bitchy anyway, but other than that planning went fine.  So the trip down was fine.  Amy (BM-very close friend for 15 years) drove separatly since she was coming from about 3 miles in the opposite direction.  Everybody was great. Friday day and evening were fine. Amy arrived as we were winding down for bed, but whatever. Saturday morning, everything is fine until we find out that a car int he parking lot was broken into and everything in it was stolen.  While this is cause for concern for most, Amy has a 2010 Camaro with less than 2000 miles on it.  She was more than concerned and was pretty much the only thing discussed for 20 minutes. It was annoying to everyone, but Nicole just kept saying :if they wanted your car or soemthing from it, they would've taken it. Move on and get over it." --Understandable, but seriously, it's a BRAND NEW CAR! Who wouldn't be overprotective. The solution, Amy took her car as well and I rode with her. So moving on... At the dress shops and lunch, it felt like anytime Amy would say something, Nicole would cut her off, give her a dirty look, ignore her, or say something argumentative.  The tension kept growing and growing.  The other girls noticed it too.  While headiing back to the hotel, Amy said to me that she wasn't sure if she could handle Nicole; that she's (nicole) always been rude to her since high school for reasons beyond her understanding; and she didn't think it would be fair to me if things continued to escalate. Naively, I thought she was referring to the weekend, not the wedding.  I told her I completely understood and I would support whatever decision she made. Little did I know, Dez (MoH) could feel the tension in the vehicle they were in and was afraid Nicole was going to explode and make an irreperable scene. She thought it would be better to get it out while away from me and Amy.  So Nicole did. She went on and on about how stupid Amy was for buying a car and she needs to get over her worries about it and that she (Nicole) always puts her kids first before material things. So when we all got back to the hotel, Amy packed her things and said a friend from the area was fighting with her spouse and she was going to head out.  She and I talked on the way to her car and I thought we were on the same page. I wasn't going to address Nicole until later in the week after we returned home to avoid making it even worse. (The rest of us couldn't take off in our cars; we were stuck in a hotel and single vehicle with her. Why make a bad situation worse?) I talked to Amy the next 2 or 3 days and things seemed fine.  But then, she stopped initiating any contact, replies to my texts were short responses, and phone calls were not answered. I emailed her and said I felt like she was mad at me but I couldn't figure out why. Her response was... well, fairly intense. She said she felt like she was a little kid on the playground being bullied and I wasn't there to defend her.  She's upset that she had to put forth more everything (money, miles, time, etc) to spend the weekend with us, but I was willing to let her walk out without a fight. Because she spent the weekend out of town with us for me, she has to spend her bday alone due to scheduling issues with her and her spouse.  And lastly, she will not be in the wedding bc that will be the easiest way to avoid conflict. However she will still attend the wedding and is excited for it. *************************************************************************************************** Okay, so that's the umpf of it.  I haven't said anything to Nicole yet (it's been about 10 days) because, well, I don't really know what to say and I don't want to make a mountain out of a mole hill. I'm torn between what to do next.  I don't even know how to go about it. Any ideas or advice?! Please???
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  • I only skimmed, but if your friend has removed herself from the wedding, no matter her reasons, you need to respect that.  You can let her know that the door is still open if she wants to be a bridesmaid, but leave it at that.

    It sounds like everyone involved needs to take some time to cool down and remember that high school is over.
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  • Aerin- you skimmed, I couldn't even get past the first sentence!  I applaud you. 
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  • Wow that was REALLY LONG. What was the point of your post? Did you want to see how to deal with Nicole and Amy or are you asking us how to get Amy back in the party? I;m confused.
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  • I got really confused with which girl was which...but it sounds like everyone just needs to calm down.  Take a little more time before you talk to anyone, and when you do, tell the girl who removed herself from the WP that you respect her decision, but you will leave the option open for her to be  BM if she changes her mind.  It would probably be good to spend some time one on one with her.  I think that saying anything to the pushy girl would just cause more drama, and I don't think that's worth it.  But that's all I got, because I was really squinty by the end of reading that. 
  • The line of asterisks is pushing the text over so that a lot of it is hidden behind the ads... CN anyone?  From what I skimmed it looks like 2 BMs overreacted, had a fight and are dragging you into it?
  • Would somebody synthesize the problem?  I'm just too tired to read all of that.
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  • CN: BM #1 got annoyed that another bm #2's car got broken into and was concerned about....Who wouldn't be right?! Because of the bullying, BM#2 dropped out of the BP. Bride wants to know what to do.
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  • Sorry, I guess I just thought that more info is better than less. And when I'm upset I tend to ramble.

     I'm pretty upset bc I feel like I should've stood up for the girl I've been friends with the longest when she was being bullied.I didn't want to make the situation worse, so I didn't.

    Now I have one rude friend who may or may not know that she was being a jerk. And another friend who feels as though I've betrayed her for not standing up for her.

    On one hand, I want to tell the friend to grow up and fight her own battles. And on the other I want to apologize to her and yell at the other.  And then again, I kinda just want to say whatever, do what you want.

    I'm not really sure what the point is in posting a comment complaining about the post. Just don't post.  Just a thought...
  • oK...I think the friend that dropped is being stupid. If she is going to be at the wedding anyway there is going to be conflict. THe only way to avoid all conflict is to never be around this person again. WEdding or otherwise. Maybe you should point it out to her that you are really disappointed that she decided not to stand up with you at your wedding because a conflict with someone else. Just let her know that the two of them will obviously have to see and act civil at the wedding regardless of her non-BM status. HOpefully she will decide to be in the wedding.  Sorry you have to deal with all this.

    Ps.-seriously not trying to be mean but maybe paragraphs or a summary next time. I kept losing my place.
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  • Well, if you want help, making your post easy to read would be a start, thus the comments about it.  If you'd push edit and do something about those stars, it could be more legible.

    You should also know that it is common here to put Cliff Notes at the top or bottom of a long post.  It gives people who are willing to help the opportunity to do so without having to wade through a rambling post.

    If you don't want help, don't post here.  
  • I think that Amy has a point about being bullied.  Nicole was out of line, and you were the center in this situation.  It's not like it was a group of friends going out of town, they were all your friends doing something for your wedding.  You really should have told Nicole to cool it right off the bat.  She's YOUR best friend.  

    What's done is done, and that ship has sailed.  I would invite Amy out to lunch or coffee or whatever and try to spend some one on one time with her.  Let her know that the door is always open for her to return, and that you'll be sure to not plan anything else that would involve her and Nicole having to do anything together, but that you understand if she'd rather just be a guest.  
  • OKay, so I added a shortened version at the top, took out the *'s and removed some stuff. 

    I understand about the posting being long and rambling.  Again, I'm sorry. It's kinda what I do.  I appreciate any advice. I really feel torn between the two.
  • Come on guys - let's not be SO harsh.

    OP, I think it's perfectly fine if you edit your first post to put a CN at the bottom.  This makes it easier for everyone to read.

    My advice:  Treat this as a friendship issue.  Talk to each friend in a few days when you and they have cooled off.  And just see where it goes for now.
  • I think your biggest mistake was to try to all of your bm be friends.  They are friends with you, they don't have to be friends with each other.

    Amy has removed herself from the party, like pp said, you need to respect that.  You could talk to her again, and let her know that she is welcome to still be in the party or to attend as a guest.

    As far as standing up for her?  I don't really see what you could have done.  It looks like Nicole didn't actually say anything to Amy, it was only obvious that they didn't like each other.  If you talk to Amy, I would only apologize for trying to make everyone get together and that you won't put together any more of these dates where you would force them to be together.

    Also, Nicole sounds like a b!tch and I'm not really sure why you are friends with her.

    One last thing: Amy's car wasn't broken into, another car at the hotel was and Amy was concerned about her car because it was brand new.  Nicole thought Amy was stupid for buying a new car.
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  • Geez ladies.   How do your DHs and FIs put up with you being this harsh

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  • Ok, so it sounds like they're both overreacting.  Nicole because she was upset that her car got broken into, Amy because she was still overprotective of her brand new car.  Both of those are understandable.  And it sounds like they also had issues to begin with that made things worse?

    Not really sure about what to say to either of them, but definitely talk to them separately.  Can you explain your position to Amy?  Did you think her excuse for leaving was legitimate, that she just wanted to get away from Nicole and you were respecting that, etc?  Maybe you could take her out for her birthday since her spouse can't, and then you can spend some NWR time with her to work on the friendship.  Let her know that if she decides she wants to be in the WP again, she's always welcome, but don't push the issue.

    Does Nicole realize the way she's been treating Amy?  Either way, maybe have a talk with her to present Amy's side of the story and make sure that they can be civil for the wedding, even if it means just staying away from each other. 

    I was in a WP with someone I can't stand who treated one of my best friends and I poorly throughout high school without reason (she's super sweet to other people like my FBIL and the bride).  We sucked it up and acted like big girls for the wedding, bparty and rehearsal, and the bride was kind enough not to have us stand/sit right next to each other at the wedding.  Hopefully these two can do the same.
  • I really didn't mean anything about my "complaint"...just that your post was long and hard to read, and that I wasn't sure what you wanted us to answer about....
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  • I pretty much agree with blackfire. 

    But this story feels way too familiar, in which I was the Amy, though I would have call the girl (OP's Nicole) out on the rude behavior. The girl was just so rude, doing the same stuff that this Nicole would do. But I'm someone that can tolerate rudeness to a point, and can suck stuff up when needed. I think your friend has every right to be upset by what Nicole did but really she needs to start growing a pair and stand up to bullies in her life. But then again, if one person was berating another, I would probably have said cool it. SO there is no win-win situation here. All you can do now is let things cool off and try to talk to your friend Amy just to see if she's alright and maybe tell Nicole to chill. 
  • If these girls didn't get along before, forcing them to socialize with each other isn't going to help the situation.  It would be nice if they could just suck it up and be nice for your sake, but petty people don't stop being petty just because someone is getting married.

    Bridges burned, ships sailed, milk spilled and whatnot.  The damage has already been done, I'd just leave things as they are.  Though it wouldn't hurt to tell the bitchy one to chill.

    Also, I hope those weren't their real names.  It's a public message board, anyone can read things here.  I've twice had people I knew IRL post things here they probably wouldn't have said to my face because they didn't know I would be reading...
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  • Well, I would've asked Nicole what he problem was, but I'm in your face like that sometimes.  I'd talk to them both and see wth was going on.  Btw, Amy's car wasn't broken into, someone else's was, so I can see how the conversation for 20 mins about the possibility of it would get annoying.

    I don't understand how this situation was bad enough to warrant dropping out as a BM, though.  i've been BM with other ones I didn't like, but it didn't stop me from being involved. 
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_battling-bridesmaids?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:b313cbda-5315-4e3b-b7de-94de69994847Post:462ce00f-fa3b-41b9-aae5-a67686befecc">Re: Battling Bridesmaids...</a>:
    [QUOTE]  I may point out that though I am appreciative that she was able to come, the weekend was optional and one BM didn't make it bc it wasn't feasible for her financially or with her family schedules.  So she didn't have to come if it was going to be such a burden to her. I will also probably swing by and talk to Nicole and thank her for coming on the trip. I will mention that her attitude toward Amy upset me and that I can't believe she would let her personal feelings for someone cause that person to leave.  (I'm not sure of the phrasing yet, but I want to do it as gently as possible to not make it worse. But, I feel like she did know what she was doing in the end...) Ideas?  Thanks again everyone!
    Posted by clballoo[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>First, do not tell Amy that it was optional.  This will just upset her more and will not help your friendship.</div><div>
    </div><div>Second, just tell Nicole that you didn't appreciate her attitude towards Amy.</div><div>
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