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Trouble with a potential guest...

I have a friend, we'll call her Mary, that well is basically an "arms reach friend". I know it sounds bad but basically we maintain a friendly demeanor and get together once in a while to I guess keep up appearances (or at least I do it to keep up appearances). We used to be close but some things happened a few years ago and well pretty much I can't trust her and most of my family hates her (mom, dad, grandma especially) Not only that but her and my MOH have had it out in the past over FB so she's not a fan of Mary either. The FI thinks she's an obnoxious drama queen so that doesn't help.

So why stay friends with her you wonder? Welllll she can be fun to hang around (in small doses) but she tends to be a VERY volatile person and when she's pissed off, she tends to do things without thinking. Just for an example, her ex pissed her off - so she spray painted his new lexus... and yes she's been arrested a few times when these outbursts happen... So I guess I figure that staying friendly with her saves a lot drama and the potential of harm happening and I'm afraid of what she'll do.

I personally don't mind her coming to the wedding - like I said she can be fun, loves to dance and liven up the party. But I have the feeling that if she is there (and frankly as soon as my family sees her on the guest list) I will here nothing but grumbles and objections. And I may have to run interference between her and my MOH all night. I do not want a knock-down, drag-out fight at my reception. That and I think my MOH would be very hurt/angry that I invited her as it would be me choosing Mary's comfort and desire over hers...

So I've thought of trying the old "we're having a small wedding so there's a lot of friends that won't be invited..." line but unfortunately we have two mutual friends that I really do want there and one of those two is close with my FI too. So I kinda feel like if I try the small wedding line, I won't be able to invite those two friends without her finding out it was a lie.

I have like 7 months or so before I'll be sending out invites so it's not like going to be an issue  tomorrow or anything but I have the feeling at some point it will be and I just want to have an idea of how to handle it. Do I fib about the size of the wedding? Do I ignore it unless she confronts me or do I man up and tell her straight up when I send out the invites?
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Re: Trouble with a potential guest...

  • I can't understand why you're still friends with her.  Having someone around that everyone hates (and it sounds like you don't think too highly of her yourself) just because she "can be fun" or you're afraid of the fallout is just....yeah.  So, I pick option C: end the friendship, because it doesn't sound like it's a healthy relationship.

    But really, if you're afraid of the fallout of ending the friendship, I don't think you can get around her doing something potentially crazy if you don't invite her.  So if you don't end the friendship, you pretty much should probably invite her.

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  • You've got 7 months and don't seem to like this girl much.  I'd end the relationship and let the fallout happen now so that she's got 7 months to grow up and get over it before she's not invited to your wedding.  If you don't want to end the relationship, I agree - you need to invite her and tell everyone else that they need to be adults and behave themselves for 1 evening around her.
  • Thanks guys and yeah I'm not staying friends with her just for a dance partner, I have lots of other friends that aren't trouble for that. I'm more worried about what she'll do more than anything. She knows where I live and what I drive, I just don't want something to happen to my house or car or something but I guess if she does do something, I'll just have to take the necessary legal steps with her and if she gets arrested for whatever she's done, it's her own fault for doing it. There are so many times I have wished I had just ended this "friendship" years ago when she had done the deeds she did. I guess I just never did since we live in a smallish town and are bound to run into each other at some point. But I guess now that I think about it, the last few times I've seen her, it was on purpose and not just a run in so maybe it won't happen now. So any ideas for how to just end the friendship? I don't want to use the wedding as the reason since that may make her focus on that and putting any anger (she can hold a grudge for a looonnngg time) into crashing the wedding.
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  • Stop talking to her.  If she ever asks about a wedding invite, say you had to many objections from your side of the family.
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    [QUOTE]Just pull a fade out. With romantic relationships and close friendships, I feel that people are owed an explanation (or at least a notification) if you decide to sever contact. With people who you're not really close with in the first place, I feel like a fadeout is fine- and if you're dealing with a crazy person probably preferable. Just stop calling her, stop taking her calls except maybe 1 in 5 to offer a lame excuse like "Oh yeah I've been really busy. Hope everything's well with you!" Let it look like the distance happened naturally. Then when you don't invite her yourexcuse can be that you guys aren't that close anymore.
    Posted by HoorayForSoup[/QUOTE]
    I agree with this advice. After a while, she will get bored of trying to hang out with you and stop calling. At that point, it would be crazy of her to assume she'd be invited (of course, sounds like she's not to be underestimated, but you know what I mean). Do not stay friends with her out of fear, and like Stage said, don't be afraid to contact the police if she threatens you or destroys your property.
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    [QUOTE]You've got 7 months and don't seem to like this girl much.  <strong>I'd end the relationship and let the fallout happen now so that she's got 7 months to grow up and get over it before she's not invited to your wedding.</strong>  If you don't want to end the relationship, I agree - you need to invite her and tell everyone else that they need to be adults and behave themselves for 1 evening around her.
    Posted by Loopyseven[/QUOTE]

    This, especially the bolded part.  You seem ready to let this relationship die, so better for it, and the possible backlash, to occur NOW rather than closer to the wedding so that she's over it and you don't have to worry about her spraypainting your dress or something (really?  I can't believe she did that to her ex's car.  I mean, I probably would WANT to, but don't have the nerve enough to spend time in jail for doing it.  Just sayin')
  • Ditto Soup, I think that slowly distancing yourself even further is the least stressful way with SUCH a volatile person, and someone that you are not particularly close to currently.

    I also think the vague "we had to cut so many people!" line will be clutch if you haven't successfully ended the friendship by the time the invitations need to go out.
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  • This girl sounds toxic. I agree with PP. End the friendship now so that she has a while to get over it.
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    [QUOTE]Thanks guys and yeah <strong>I'm not staying friends with her just for a dance partner, I have lots of other friends that aren't trouble for that. I'm more worried about what she'll do more than anything. She knows where I live and what I drive, I just don't want something to happen to my house or car or something but I guess if she does do something, I'll just have to take the necessary legal steps with her and if she gets arrested for whatever she's done, it's her own fault for doing it. </strong>There are so many times I have wished I had just ended this "friendship" years ago when she had done the deeds she did. I guess I just never did since we live in a smallish town and are bound to run into each other at some point. But I guess now that I think about it, the last few times I've seen her, it was on purpose and not just a run in so maybe it won't happen now. So any ideas for how to just end the friendship? I don't want to use the wedding as the reason since that may make her focus on that and putting any anger (she can hold a grudge for a looonnngg time) into crashing the wedding.
    Posted by bellasmomma716[/QUOTE]


    Why why why are you even debating the possibility of having this person at the wedding??  Definitely a headache you don't need.
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    [QUOTE]I have a friend, we'll call her Mary.....Just for an example, <strong>her ex pissed her off - so she spray painted his new lexus.</strong>.. 
    Posted by bellasmomma716[/QUOTE]

    <div>Oops!  I once wrote bad stuff in lipstick across a guy's windshield who stood me up.  Looking back, I admit it was a psycho move.  At the time, it felt good.  I didn't get arrested.</div><div>
    </div><div>Seriously, I think it's a friendship issue.  Take some time and think if you really like this person and value her as a friend, or are you in fear of her?  If you truly like her, who cares what anyone else thinks?  You're not in high school anymore, are you?</div>
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    [QUOTE]Thanks guys and yeah I'm not staying friends with her just for a dance partner, I have lots of other friends that aren't trouble for that. I'm more worried about what she'll do more than anything. She knows where I live and what I drive, I just don't want something to happen to my house or car or something but I guess if she does do something, I'll just have to take the necessary legal steps with her and if she gets arrested for whatever she's done, it's her own fault for doing it. There are so many times I have wished I had just ended this "friendship" years ago when she had done the deeds she did. I guess I just never did since we live in a smallish town and are bound to run into each other at some point. But I guess now that I think about it, the last few times I've seen her, it was on purpose and not just a run in so maybe it won't happen now. So any ideas for how to just end the friendship? I don't want to use the wedding as the reason since that may make her focus on that and putting any anger (she can hold a grudge for a looonnngg time) into crashing the wedding.
    Posted by bellasmomma716[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>I had a friend like that too. She was fun to hang out with, but would also pick fights with people. I was always in the position of being the peace maker. <div>
    </div><div>When I was engaged she said on my facebook, congrats and I better be invited to your wedding. It was completely rude and show her character. I distanced myself from her even more. Then, it was easy not to invite her to the wedding and she never confronted me on this issue. </div><div>
    </div><div>In other words... Distance yourself from Mary. She doesn't seem like a good friend to you. Don't talk about your wedding plans with her. If she asks, just tell her that you haven't worked out any details even if you have. Avoid putting out any public web or newspaper announcement if you are afraid that she will show up to your wedding. Meanwhile, avoid any phone calls or contact with her.</div>
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  • ^^ Pink that is almost exactly word for word what she said when I got engaged. So we don't talk much anyways (hence only getting together once a year) so there's already a good amount a distance there. Aside from like deleting her off facebook (that's really the only way we communicate for the most part) I'm not really sure how much more distancing I can do. Do you guys think I should email her and explain that I think that we're just really not friends anymore and that we're in different places now? And then just delete her off facebook so she can't see anything anymore?
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  • You don't need the risk of the drama at your wedding. If she says something tell her that you're sorry but small wedding. Also talk to the mutual friends & just tell them straight out that you aren't inviting her to the wedding so please don't say anything about going to her. I had a guest that I had to do that with. We  invited one person from a group & told her privately that we only invited her as not to cause any ackward moments for her when she goes to the others "so what are you getting them for a wedding gift or what are you wearing to the wedding" If they know her as well as you do, they will understand why you are not inviting her. No need to contact her to end the friendship. Just fade off into the distance and enjoy your new life 
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