Information....not trying to stir the pot.

danac2010 · February 2011

Apparently you didn't read the NEXT sentence where I said I know you can't use the building funds for paychecks and things like that. I didn't know that once the bond is aprroved you can't modify or change it. That makes sense. Like I said I just thought it was crazy that they would build schools literally a mile down the street from each other while complaining about funding issues. Like I said IMO I thought they should just add on to another school instead of building more but now that you said things can't be modified or changed from the bond it makes sense. Again I NEVER said they should just building money for teachers salaries!!! I figured there was a more productive way to spend the money. Building new schools means new teachers and that increases the maintenace and operations costs so they do work closely together while not coming out of the same budget.

I am bowing out now because I am leaving for the day and I think we are all just going in circles.

juliebug1997 · February 2011

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[QUOTE]Apparently you didn't read the NEXT sentence where I said I know you can't use the building funds for paychecks and things like that. I didn't know that once the bond is aprroved you can't modify or change it. That makes sense. Like I said I just thought it was crazy that they would build schools literally a mile down the street from each other while complaining about funding issues. Like I said IMO I thought they should just add on to another school instead of building more but now that you said things can't be modified or changed from the bond it makes sense. Again I NEVER said they should just building money for teachers salaries!!! I figured there was a more productive way to spend the money. Building new schools means new teachers and that increases the maintenace and operations costs so they do work closely together while not coming out of the same budget. I am bowing out now because I am leaving for the day and I think we are all just going in circles.
Posted by danac2010[/QUOTE]
If you build a new school and you open the doors and you have to hire teachers to teach those kids, you get money from the state to help fund the school. However, there are several districts where they didn't open the new buildings because growth stopped.

nickandmerritt · February 2011

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[QUOTE] And Merritt, I'm pretty sure housing an inmate for life costs WAY more than executing him. I don't agree with the death penalty, but costwise it is way more efficient.
Posted by mrsamandamiller[/QUOTE]

No, it's really, really not.
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/28/opinion/28mon3.html" rel='nofollow'>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/28/opinion/28mon3.html</a>

juliebug1997 · February 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Information....not trying to stir the pot. : Which is why DISD broke ground on a new middle school yesterday almost immediately after the administration announced they are looking at closing schools.
Posted by mrsamandamiller[/QUOTE]
I think where they're building is where they've been seeing growth.

Tiffany618 · February 2011

Oh geez, I go to lunch and get attacked. How funny. I didn't claim to be exact in any way.   It was simply an idea and I still stand behind the premise.

I can see that it has no support.   It's a good thing I'm not running for office!

Note:   I don't think a NY Times Editorial is a great source of facts, either. Just for the record.

MissAngel · February 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Information....not trying to stir the pot. : No, it's really, really not. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/28/opinion/28mon3.html" rel='nofollow'>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/28/opinion/28mon3.html</a>
Posted by nickandmerritt[/QUOTE]

1. This would have been a better reference since it explains why it costs more:
<a href="http://www.aclunc.org/docs/criminal_justice/death_penalty/costs/why_does_the_death_penalty_cost_more.pdf">http://www.aclunc.org/docs/criminal_justice/death_penalty/costs/why_does_the_death_penalty_cost_more.pdf</a>

2. Maybe we can deport the illegal immigrants that are in prison first. That would save money and they didn't belong here in the first place. Again... our tax money to support illegal immigrants.

juliebug1997 · February 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Information....not trying to stir the pot. : Well, yeah. I wasn't saying it was wrong, I was only using it as an example. I think to a lot of people in the public it can be very confusing why a school district would spend millions on opening a new campus and then fire 600 teachers. My district is opening a school in the fall that will directly impact the population of my campus, and with the budget concerns no one's been able to say how many teachers will be hired at the new school or what will happen to us when half our student population goes away. The idea is that we'll get "dibs" on open positions over there, but I've heard that's not even entirely true.
Posted by mrsamandamiller[/QUOTE]
I was more trying to clarify for others actually. I do know that they'll probably have to look at "displaced" teachers first instead of just firing 600 and then hiring 75 to run a middle school. They'll probably staff that school with "displaced" teachers.

Our district has told us that those who are reduced will be given the opportunity to apply for any jobs that need to be filled and I think they'll be given special consideration.

dianaslik · February 2011

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[QUOTE]Oh geez, I go to lunch and get attacked. How funny. I didn't claim to be exact in any way. It was simply an idea and I still stand behind the premise. I can see that it has no support. It's a good thing I'm not running for office! Note: I don't think a NY Times Editorial is a great source of facts, either. Just for the record.
Posted by Tiffany618[/QUOTE]

While obviously your argument/example/suggestion are not exact (by any stretch) - Your point does have validity, and should probably be looked into. I wanted to let you know that I've been lurking (mostly) on these posts today...
And I got yo' back!
(did that sound tough?)

And ditto on the source note.

PS - If you do decide to run for office, let me know... I've already volunteered to be Briana's campaign manager...

EDIT: for clarification

dtay1986 · February 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Information....not trying to stir the pot. : 1. This would have been a better reference since it explains why it costs more: <a href="http://www.aclunc.org/docs/criminal_justice/death_penalty/costs/why_does_the_death_penalty_cost_more.pdf" rel='nofollow'>http://www.aclunc.org/docs/criminal_justice/death_penalty/costs/why_does_the_death_penalty_cost_more.pdf</a> 2. Maybe we can deport the illegal immigrants that are in prison first. That would save money and they didn't belong here in the first place. Again... our tax money to support illegal immigrants.
Posted by MissAngel[/QUOTE]

Many illegal immigrants that are convicted of crimes are being deported. There's a loophole in the system. But, why would we give more lenient sentences to people because they are illegal? They need to serve their sentence AND then be deported.

When they're deported they don't have to serve their sentence in that country. So then they can easily re-enter our country illegally and continue to commit crimes.

Tiffany618 · February 2011

Diana - Woohoo! I've got one supporter! Maybe I can be Brianna's running mate.

rcpm44 · February 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Information....not trying to stir the pot. : . When they're deported they don't have to serve their sentence in that country. So then they can easily re-enter our country illegally and continue to commit crimes.
Posted by dtay1986[/QUOTE]

Is this really true? I would have thought that they would just have to serve their time in their country's jail. Hmmmmm...

dtay1986 · February 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Information....not trying to stir the pot. : Is this really true? I would have thought that they would just have to serve their time in their country's jail. Hmmmmm...
Posted by rcpm44[/QUOTE]

Apparently so, I've read several articles about it & seen things on the news. There's a loophole with the immigration system. Violent offenders, murders, etc. are being deported without even being tried. It's really a shame. Imagine if someone committed a violent crime against you and they get to be free in their own country. Just awful.

bsn1752 · February 2011

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[QUOTE]Diana - Woohoo! I've got one supporter! Maybe I can be Brianna's running mate.
Posted by Tiffany618[/QUOTE]

Team Hesselrod (yes!) - and yeah, I used my new married name to combine with yours. We.are.awesome.

Tiffany618 · February 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Information....not trying to stir the pot. : Team Hesselrod (yes!) - and yeah, I used my new married name to combine with yours. We.are.awesome.
Posted by bsn1752[/QUOTE]

YES!!! ( I used caps and multiple exclamation points... because I can!)

dianaslik · February 2011

Proposed Official Campaign Slogans:

-We.are.awesome.
-...because I can.
-Calling out the elephants in the room - One at a time.

bsn1752 · February 2011

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[QUOTE]Proposed Official Campaign Slogans: -We.are.awesome. -...because I can. -Calling out the elephants in the room - One at a time.
Posted by dianaslik[/QUOTE]

oooooh yay! I can see it now!

Tiffany618 · February 2011

Brilliant!

nickandmerritt · February 2011

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[QUOTE]Oh geez, I go to lunch and get attacked. How funny. I didn't claim to be exact in any way. It was simply an idea and I still stand behind the premise. I can see that it has no support. It's a good thing I'm not running for office! Note: I don't think a NY Times Editorial is a great source of facts, either. Just for the record.
Posted by Tiffany618[/QUOTE]

Ha fair enough--that was the first thing that came up when I googled and I didn't have time to look for a better source. But if you have some better source that refutes the facts listed there, I'd definitely be open to reading it. I just thought it had been pretty well established that the costs of putting someone on death row exceed the costs of keeping them in prison. But if I'm mistaken let me know.

juliebug1997 · February 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Information....not trying to stir the pot. : Ha fair enough--that was the first thing that came up when I googled and I didn't have time to look for a better source. But if you have some better source that refutes the facts listed there, I'd definitely be open to reading it. I just thought it had been pretty well established that the costs of putting someone on death row exceed the costs of keeping them in prison. But if I'm mistaken let me know.
Posted by nickandmerritt[/QUOTE]
I semi-sort of support the death penalty (flame me all you want) and I've heard this for years. They say that it's cheaper because of all the appeals that are required when you're convicted of a capital offense.

lawyergurl · February 2011

Hi long time lurker here, decided to wade in..about the points I know about anyway..lol. As a soon to be atty (graduating from SMU law in 75 DAYS!!) that works on death penatly cases (research, that sort of thing), the reason why it costs WAY more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for life is the extra costs that are involved. I am just a lowly law student, but I spend on average 20 hours a week per case I am assigned for research, and I am free labor. Just imagine the cost in man hours and time goes into each case.

First, when someone is given a death sentence, that is an automatic appeal. That means another lawyer, most likely court appointed will have to be employed, and the appeals process takes about 7 years on average. Anything the prosecution has access to, the defense should get. That includes expert witnesses, forensics, etc. Additionally in most cases a "mitigation specialist" will be brought on. That is typically an atty that has a back ground in social work or one of the social sciences to help review the person's background to determine if there are any mitigating circumstances that would justify giving the person life instead of death.

Then there are appeals that are done that have nothing to do with the sentence itself. If there were issues with the jury, error on the part of the judge, or defense or prosecution, all of that comes into question with a death penalty case. It will be reviewed again by the higher court. And many of these things do not take place until some preceding factor has happened. For example, the Supreme court of TX cannot review until the appeallate court has had their turn, and if a writ of habeas corpus is done, that has to be reviewed first before the lower appeallate court can proceed.

None of this even begins to factor in the cost of housing the inmate on a daily basis. As long as they are on death row, there is highented security, so you have to pay for that as well. They are not in general population, the cells are often one person cells so more space is needed. Psychological evaluations are done more often because many of them may be suicidal. It can go on and on. Then there is the cost of the actual execution. There is more of course, but I hope this gives the general gist of why it costs so much to put someone to death.

When I started this work I was very pro-death penalty. And as a form of punishment I still support it. But the problem lies in the disproportionate way inwhich it is handed down, particularly in Texas. Until its handed out on an equal basis, then it shouldnt be handed out at all. The 21 exonerees in this state alone should be evident of that. But that's a discussion for another thread..lol.

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