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How do you deal with an insane future mother in law?

I am starting to wonder if she even wants me to marry her son. Let us begin: the day we got engaged, Steve calls to tell her the happy news, her retort, "I thought that already happened...Sara got an A on her final exam."

I know that she is wrapped up in her daughter. FI's sister is spoiled to the upmteenth degree...spoiled? Wait, let's make that smothered example: After much pleading from FI, I invited "Mom" shopping for a wedding dress. He thought it would give us the chance to bond, she loves dresses and flowers, etc etc. I wasn't surprised when she asked if her daughter could come (doesn't even have a boyfriend) and that's fine, because I adore lil' sis. I was offended when she started to cry because lil's sis wasn't going to be able to make it due to school work.

...ok, ok but then, wilst shopping for dresses she complains about the price of BM dresses and says how is she ever going to get that much money for lil sis? (...really "Mom"? That's what this is to you?!)

Let's try again to include her, FI says...we find our venue which is in CT. We bring all of these beautiful pictures and brochures to her. She loves mansions, but does she see a mansion? Does she see the grounds? Does she see the beauty? No, she pitches a fit (or tornando) because "Who is going to be willing to drive all the way to Connecticut from Pennsylvania?! MY FAMILY ISN'T GOING TO WANT TO COME!" After trying to calm her down, saying Connecticut is not that far from PA and it's close to NY, nevermind that's where I grew up. She continues to go on and on about how her family will not come - will our friends in PA even want to go so far out of their way?

....ok. That part only left me seething for a few days. But this! This has me burning up, still, and it has been only a week!

The story into how we started talking about our wedding budget is pretty in depth, so let me get you there with the short cut: my father is paying for everything because he wants to and he can. She found out how much we were probably going to end up spending on our (reasonable) 200 person wedding. She goes off about how "My wedding only cost 3,000." "Well, "Mom" that was 30 years ago and you only had 50 people attending." She could have left it there, she very, unwelcoming voiced her opinion. But, she did not. She proceeded to go on a tirade, call me a "Spoiled Snob" and say how I'm isolating her side of the family by insisting on "your little Connecticut wedding". FI wasn't in the house at this point and I wish he would have been, because then he could have stuck up for me instead of leaving me there, wholly defenseless.

So, I say, "I understand you think it's a lot of money, but that's just kind of how much weddings cost now. Like everything else, the price as gone up." And she said "To throw all of that money away on one stupid day!" ....I lost it. Lost it. I looked her dead in the eye and said, in my very calm ('spoiled snob' new england scathing) way, "Last I checked no one is asking you to pay for it, so I guess that means you won't be wasting any money." She called me a bitch and locked herself in the dining room for two days.

FI took my side, but said I should have kept quiet. I said, I kept quiet through enough! Being called a "snob" with a "little connecticut wedding" that is, apparently a "waste of money"? That snapped my wits end! When I called to apologize, she accepted my apology but offered nothing in way of remorse. She even blamed the whole thing on me.

My mother says that she is probably just worried because she feels she may have to come up with that kind of cash for her daughter's wedding. FI says change just stresses her out. But I say: How little can I inlcude my mother in law in planning and not be too rude? Also, since she made such an ordeal about money and budget - can I (perhaps snidely) not include her name on our invitations? Or am I, really the utterly insane one?

PS. They already told us they will not pay for the rehersal dinner.

Re: How do you deal with an insane future mother in law?

  • When you find out how to deal with her, let me know!

    I guess just don't talk money with her anymore. Seriously, my parents do not know how much FI makes, even. And we are not telling people the budget of the wedding (which we are paying for ourselves). That's a sure way to have people chime in with unwanted advice. Deflect/bean dip any uncomfortable questions, like budget, that you don't want to answer and it will give her less to complain about.
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  • so... why are you discussing the wedding budget with her if she's not paying? my FMIL is paying for the RD, but she does not know the final number of my wedding budget, because it is none of her business.
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  • well typically the grooms parents names don't go on the invite. 

    Blah Blah, the son of Mr and Mrs Blah Blah is a realatively new thing to hush up FMILs.
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  • You are only including her because you want to be polite.  However, polite time is over.  She isn't contributing so you plan the wedding that you and your FI agree on.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You send them an invite, and the rest of his family too......hopefully they come.  If they don't that is their fault, not yours. 
  • I'm going to take Cew's awesome answer to unanswerable questions (sorry I'm a copycat Cew) : go in her closet and cut all her pants legs off.

    This is a pretty sucky situation. But to answer your question, and maybe this only applies to me, but FI's mother isn't involved in the planning AT ALL. Not that I don't want her to, she's just never expressed any interest. If she's not paying, I don't think you really have to include her in the planning, except in the aspects of guest list.
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  • Pooh - I wasn't really discussing it with her. It's a complicated and in depth story that ended with me saying: Oh, well ours is going to be about (blank) so that one was probably (blank).
  • Yeah, your first mistake was telling her how much you're spending on the wedding.  None of her concern and there was no reason to tell her.  Your second mistake, which you don't have to make again, was to be alone with her and discussing wedding plans.  Make sure your fi is there with you from now on.  Your third mistake, which again you do not have to repeat, is to "stew over this for days."  YOU control how you react.   There's absolutely no reason for a grown, about-to-be-married woman to seethe for days because someone asked if people will be willing to travel for your wedding. 

    Include her name on the invitations - she's still your fi's mother, and he loves her.  I personally am not a fan of only putting on the names of people who pony up cash for the wedding.  I say either name all parents, say "along with their parents" or leave them all off entirely.  







  • She sounds like a peach. Honestly, I'd probably just try to kill her with kindness where possible, and leave her out of the picture where it's not possible.

    It's not her responsibility to pay for the RD: you can put together something on your own budget.

    I wouldn't start out your marriage by leaving her name off the invite out of spite. Maybe it's not traditional to include the groom's parents, but it would be a nice gesture (see my "killing with kindness" suggestion above).

    If you do decide to include your FSIL in the WP, you might consider offering to pay for her dress. If FMIL is insulted by the implication that she can't pay, just point out that times are changing, and it's common for brides to offer to buy BM dresses.
  • Seriously?  I wouldn't visit or talk to her anymore.  Really.  If she can't be bothered to at least be civil, I wouldn't subject myself to her.  I certainly wouldn't involve her in planning.  If you want to include their names on the invite, that should be your FI's decision.  Don't make a "political" statement on your invites, though.  If things get better, you'll always have that reminder in your scrapbook - and so will she.  If they don't improve, then you will have taken the high road.
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  • I think opalsky has a good point on the "killing with kindness" thing.

    She sounds narcissistic and extremely difficult. Kind of like my mom. Just be nice to her, limit your contact with her, and don't provoke her. And don't share too much info with her. Avoid conflicts, they're not going to change her or accomplish anything.

    Sounds like FI is on board with things, which is great. But if things get difficult, a few sessions with a counselor (the two of you) wouldn't be bad. A couple of counseling sessions 5 or so years ago, specifically aimed at how to deal with my mom, gave me really good tools for managing someone with this kind of personality disorder.
  •  Send invitations to everyone you would like to have attend your wedding.  Those that want to come will come, those that don't won't.  There will also be some that simply can't attend due to other commitments.

    As both a MOB and MOG let me tell you that I think you've tried enough. What your dad deems is enough money for the wedding is between the two of you and him.

    As far as invitations, traditional invitations do not include the grooms parents names. A lot of people do that these days but that is not traditional and you can leave her completely off of the invitations.

    Another point that several others have already made - you can't let her get to you. Somewhere within yourself find a way to let it go. Then steer clear of her, unless FI is there also but I'd even avoid that.

    My DD and her FI have chosen a wedding site about 5 hours from most of his family. It is where they want to be married and it is their wedding.  It is going to be beautiful and all of us that attend are going to have a wonderful time. Those that chose not to make the trip will be the ones missing out.

  • Maybe just don't offer up as much information? If she asks about flowers, tell her what they'll look like, but not how much they'll cost. If she directly asks the cost, don't give a numeric value. Say things like "under budget," "In the range we were expecting," etc.

    Instead of asking her to help with specific tasks, try asking her if there is anything she would like to help with. With her behavior and attitude, there's no point in bringing her to look at flowers or cakes if she's not interested in them.
  • Wow- yours seems worse than mine and that is saying a LOT. Sorry, I got nothing.
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_deal-insane-future-mother-law?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:42f7f742-13d5-43a5-81ca-5c5fe146e509Post:5215c1e5-3d89-45f7-bd64-f4961a6d89ba">Re: How do you deal with an insane future mother in law?</a>:
    [QUOTE]My DD and her FI have chosen a wedding site about 5 hours from most of his family. It is where they want to be married and it is their wedding.  It is going to be beautiful and all of us that attend are going to have a wonderful time. Those that chose not to make the trip will be the ones missing out.
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    I wish, wish, wish that this could be her attitude.

    I understand what you all mean when you say I shouldn't let her get to me, but it's incredibly difficult. She hasn't said a single nice thing about this wedding at all.

    I wish I could record the whiny sound of her voice. She whines, at her age. The negetive way she looks at everything and the abrasive way she gives her opinion.

    I told FI I was totally done and didn't want to see her until I had to....I mean, really. If I can pretend to be interested in some bead show (she tries to make beaded jewelry) she can at least try to be reasonable. But, there is no reasoning with this woman. It's not even just on the wedding front. The wedding is just what I am sensitive about.

    ...I could only imagine if SIL was getting married and her FMIL was talking to her the way she talks to me - she would never stand for it!
  • WOW.  You certainly have your hands full.  I had a FMIL issue about a month ago and when I asked the older and wiser ladies I work with, they said "His mother is HIS problem"  It's great that your FH took your side, but he should stand up to his mother, espcially when she calls you a bitch to your face and stomps off.  I wouldn't accept that stomping off behavior from a 3 year old, not to mention a grown woman.  (and yes, it does sound like she's waaaaay too involved in your sister in law)
    I agree with PP who said not to give her any information that she doesn't need.  She isn't paying for squat so she gets about that much input in what is actually done. 
    All that being said, she's his mom.  She will always be his mom.  If you are planning on having kids, you have to have some kind of civil relationship with her for their sake (and the sake of your husband).  Ask her out to lunch and see if you can hash out your differences.  "Our tempers both got away from us and we said things we didn't mean, I don't want there to be tension between us because I love your son..."  As calmly as you can, explain that the wedding is going forward as it is planned.  If her family can't make the trip (I agree, it's not that far to travel for a wedding) you feel badly, but you want to get married where you grew up and that's the end of it.
    Try to keep your cool.
    Tell you FH that he needs to stand up for you when his mother is flying around the room on her broomstick.
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  • Don't try to reason or argue with her. It probably won't work. Everything you say may make sense to you, but she won't listen to it or process it.

    Just try to stay away from wedding conversations with her from now on. If she asks anything directly, your FI should answer them as much as possible, and be as vague as you can.

    Sorry dude. It sucks. I can relate.
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  • You need to refuse to talk wedding details, and turn it around on her. "I feel so bad that I upset you last time that I think it's better if we don't talk details. I'd simply die if I upset you again. I feel awful."

    Then it's her own fault she doesn't get to know details and numbers.
  • I would have my FI stand up to her. I watched my mom and her MIL go through this for 14 years, because my dad never stood up to his mom. It really puts a strain on everything. If he lets her "get away with it" she will continue. 

  • The answer is to NOT include her. Send her an invitation and see if she RSVPs. She obvioulsy doesn't want to be involved.
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  • XOXO, my H and I had our wedding in Michigan and all of 10 people from the guest list lived there.  The rest of the list?  Phoenix, Arizona; Atlanta, Georgia; Louisville, Kentucky... guess what?  They all managed to make it.  No one cared. 

    Well, that was maybe cause H and I live in Italy and had to fly there, but anyway, if people want to go to the wedding, they will.  No biggie. 

    And just keep away from her.  Like the plague.
  • Ha-My mom was the insane Mother-in-law when my brother got married.  I spent lots of time as a buffer!  First of all-this woman(if she isn't a demon) sounds CRAZY!  A lot of moms get territorial when their sons get married and do stuff like what you wrote.  It's their way of making a statement and marking their place. 

    I would try to set some boundaries.  If she asks about money again, or makes comments, just simply say "The wedding budget is personal.  I don't feel comfortable talking about that topic."  My MIL is a cheapo!!!!!  I don't give her prices or talk about money with her but I have kept her involved by asking "which photographer do you like best out of these three" or "which chicken entree do you think would be the best."  Also, kill her with kindness. Don't go down to her level when she picks a fight(and she will again!) Be polite and don't get sucked in.  This will make her look like the bad guy that she is.

    As far as the invites: Since you dad is paying put his name on there.  I have seen plenty of invites that only list the bride's name.  traditionally I don't believe you have to put her name on there at all esp. if she isn't paying for anything.  She'll just be another guest!
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