Things I do not understand.

Snippylynn · May 2012

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[QUOTE]When we were looking to change our titles away from using engineer, they had a contest for suggestions. This is what one of the appropriate principals came up with. It makes me laugh: Engineer -- /> Unpasteurized Milk Senior Engineer -- /> Pasteurized Milk Staff Engineer -- /> Cream Senior Staff Engineer -- /> Butter Senior Project Manager -- /> Cheese Associate Principal -- /> Cheddar Cheese Principal -- /> Sharp Cheddar Cheese Senior Principal -- /> Cheese Whiz CEO -- /> The Big Cheese Board of Directors -- /> Cheese Wheel Non-Technical Staf -- /> Soy Milk Co-ops -- /> Soy Beans
Posted by MattsPenguin[/QUOTE]
These are awesome.

I am a "Partner Marketing Coordinator". Yeah, my 'thinks she's my boss' coworker believes that means "Barbara's biiitch"

Girlie1030 · May 2012

Good point Holly.

MattsPenguin · May 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Things I do not understand. : These are awesome. I am a "Partner Marketing Coordinator". Yeah, my 'thinks she's my boss' coworker believes that means "Barbara's biiitch"
Posted by Snippylynn[/QUOTE]

Glad somebody else thought they were funny!

What an awful person!!

Snippylynn · May 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Things I do not understand. : In all of my experience with management and HR of various types of companies, entry-level means the position is a)sub-management b) general rather than specific to one skill set (or at least general within the parameters of the company) c) falls on the low end of the pay-grade and d) has room for advancement within the company. Example: At the theatre, box office attendant would be an entry level position, whereas publicity manager would not be. However, most theatres will still require you to have experience within a box office, or at least x amount of experience in customer service and possibly experience on their specific ticketing program. So, it's not a 'anyone just out of college can do it' kind of position. Make sense?
Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]
You know what gets me though? I'm technically doing an entry level job at my company. But what has happened, because of my skill set, is that I've become very specialized and am project managing stuff, without the title and without the subsequent pay rise. I will never get a promotion. There was a spot created for someone one level up from where I am now, and when I asked if I could apply, I was told no by my 'boss' (same chick from before) She said I was under qualified. Which is interesting, because when I was interviewing for the job I had now, she said I was overqualified.. I ind of hate her.

RupertPenny · May 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Things I do not understand. : In all of my experience with management and HR of various types of companies, entry-level means the position is a)sub-management b) general rather than specific to one skill set (or at least general within the parameters of the company) c) falls on the low end of the pay-grade and d) has room for advancement within the company. Example: At the theatre, box office attendant would be an entry level position, whereas publicity manager would not be. However, most theatres will still require you to have experience within a box office, or at least x amount of experience in customer service and possibly experience on their specific ticketing program. So, it's not a 'anyone just out of college can do it' kind of position. Make sense?
Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

<div>I know that you were probably just using that as an example, but do you really think someone who just finished college could not learn to do that job? That's what kills me. I am good at learning. I can learn to do just about anything. I know that people don't want to train people, and I get that, but how does anyone get experience if everyone is looking for someone with experience?</div><div>
</div><div>Also, I am not just out of college. I have worked in an office for the past two years. I also have a BA and MA and the reason I am looking for part time work is because I am going to get another master's degree and have a half time fellowship at school. So I am no slouch. I know how to work, and how to work hard. But I don't have 3-5 years of experience answering phones so I can't get a response to any job applications. </div>

crfische · May 2012

I DONT HAVE A BADGE.

crfische · May 2012

Ok, I do, BUT IM SILVER?!

WHAT IS GOING ON?

Matty143 · May 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Things I do not understand. : I know that you were probably just using that as an example, but do you really think someone who just finished college could not learn to do that job? That's what kills me. I am good at learning. I can learn to do just about anything. I know that people don't want to train people, and I get that, but how does anyone get experience if everyone is looking for someone with experience? Also, I am not just out of college. I have worked in an office for the past two years. I also have a BA and MA and the reason I am looking for part time work is because I am going to get another master's degree and have a half time fellowship at school. So I am no slouch. I know how to work, and how to work hard. But I don't have 3-5 years of experience answering phones so I can't get a response to any job applications.
Posted by RupertPenny[/QUOTE]

I have a feeling you would get any job you interviewed for.

Snippylynn · May 2012

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[QUOTE](Don't tell Fishy about the badges.)
Posted by EaglesBride2012[/QUOTE]
DAMMIT EAGLES

MattsPenguin · May 2012

Rupert, that makes no sense to me. The summer between undergrad and grad school, I worked as a hostess at a restaurant on the beach. At the end of the summer, they told me how much they enjoyed having me, and that the books were always balanced when I worked.

I understand that there might be some sort of a learning curve for you, since you've never done administrative work (am I right in saying that), but also, you're freaking smart! That curve'll be pretty darn steep!

MattsPenguin · May 2012

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[QUOTE]Ok, I do, <strong>BUT IM SILVER?!</strong> WHAT IS GOING ON?
Posted by crfische[/QUOTE]

And so is everyone else on the page . . .

Megbo2012 · May 2012

What I don't understand, is how anyone is supposed to gain experience if everywhere requires at least some experience? So you can't get a job in your field because you have no experience, and decide to go to graduate school. Then you are overqualified and still have no experience. Obviously this doesn't always happen, but it happened with a friend and he's always applying.

calixtine · May 2012

I'm kind of behind but all this talk of job titles reminds me of a scene in American Psycho. All these guys are sitting around a conference room comparing their business cards as a status symbol thing. As they each show their cards though, you see that they all have the same exact job title and work for the same company. So there are 5 guys that are all Vice President in the same company. I think that pretty much sums up how meaningless titles can be sometimes.

crfische · May 2012

But Nebb is platinum!!! Did they up it to 30,000?

I AM NOT AN ENTRY LEVEL KNOTTER, PEOPLE.

RupertPenny · May 2012

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[QUOTE]Rupe - could you go through a staffing agency instead? That's where we have the most luck with finding candidates, and they are more likely to advocate for you if a job posting is requiring experience.
Posted by rachers1017[/QUOTE]

<div>I don't know, this is something I want to look into. I know part of my problem is that I am not there right now, but only one more week. </div><div>
</div><div>I don't know if I even NEED a second job, money wise, but if it turns out I do I hope someone will hire me. </div><div>
</div><div>MP, I have have worked retail and stuff, so I have some customer service experience. And I work in an office now, so I know how to use outlook and fax machines and copiers and all that, plus my job involves a ton of organization and filing. So I've never been an admin, but I like to think I have some related skills. Just nothing that jumps out on a resume I guess. </div>

FutureMrsFezz · May 2012

You are now, Fishy.

crfische · May 2012

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.

StephBeanWed61502 · May 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Things I do not understand. : I don't know, this is something I want to look into. I know part of my problem is that I am not there right now, but only one more week. I don't know if I even NEED a second job, money wise, but if it turns out I do I hope someone will hire me. MP, I have have worked retail and stuff, so I have some customer service experience. And I work in an office now, so I know how to use outlook and fax machines and copiers and all that, plus my job involves a ton of organization and filing. So I've never been an admin, but I like to think I have some related skills. Just nothing that jumps out on a resume I guess.
Posted by RupertPenny[/QUOTE]

Could you develop a skills-based resume instead? (Described here: <a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/laidoff/2009/03/23/getting-ahead-with-a-skills-based-resume/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/laidoff/2009/03/23/getting-ahead-with-a-skills-based-resume/</a>) It seems like that would be a good way to bring your relevant experience to the forefront and sort of "hide" the fact that you've never technically held an admin-titled job.

jemmini6 · May 2012

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[QUOTE]Adamar, <strong>the firm won't let me be called "Office Manager" because they say my office is too small to need an office manager.</strong> Really? Then how about I stop doing all the office manager shiitt, and see what happens. Ranch - Ugh, IT. I'm not an IT person. I have a very, very basic understanding of IT stuff, but because I know how to make the computers work like they are supposed to, I get to do IT stuff. It's stupid.
Posted by Holly4212011[/QUOTE]

Seriously? My company has 4 employees total, including the owner, and I'm still the "office manager". It's an office, it needs managing...that's me (plus a whole lot more).

Megbo2012 · May 2012

I'm not looking forward to looking for a job. I had a degree, but I feel like I'm better off looking for waitressing and retail for now. I'm going to grad school for the spring semester so after that I'll hopefully get a teaching position.

ErinG93 · May 2012

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[QUOTE]I'm not looking forward to looking for a job. I had a degree, but I feel like I'm better off looking for waitressing and retail for now. I'm going to grad school for the spring semester so after that I'll hopefully get a teaching position.
Posted by Megbo2012[/QUOTE]

<div>Meg, I haven't seen you around as much lately. Have you been busy with school?</div>

MattsPenguin · May 2012

Rupert, well then you obviously have some administrative skills. Perhaps look into a staffing agency or the skills resume as described above. I'm sure people want you; they just don't know it.

Megbo2012 · May 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Things I do not understand. : Meg, I haven't seen you around as much lately. Have you been busy with school?
Posted by ErinG93[/QUOTE]

<div>I just had my last final yesterday morning. With that and the wedding almost a month away I've been busy! Glad to be back with this last month left, because ya know...I love the wedding talk here so much.</div><div>
</div><div>ETA: I missed being around here though! :(</div>

erbear84 · May 2012

What's hilarious about "Entry level" in terms of teaching is pretty much every teaching job you may apply to wants 2-5 years experience - and they typically don't count substituting as experience. There aren't any jobs in the first place; how can I get full time teaching experience? GRRR.

musicalsunlight · May 2012

Damn I missed a fishy sighting! I guess since I'm seeing her IRL on Saturday that will have to make up for it.

But FISH if you come back to this -- I questioned the swearing thing on the mod board and apparently TB platform switch caused them to add more prohibited words. Not sure what thats all about.

Girlie1030 · May 2012

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[QUOTE]I don't understand anything today. I want to go home and snuggle my dog and watch TV.
Posted by EaglesBride2012[/QUOTE]

This, I understand.

musicalsunlight · May 2012

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[QUOTE]I don't understand anything today. I want to go home and snuggle my dog and watch TV.
Posted by EaglesBride2012[/QUOTE]

<div>I would love to snuggle my dogs right now but they are currently in the middle of Doggie Smackdown 2012. </div>

AbbeyS2011 · May 2012

Rupert, where in FL are you near to? The company I work for is nationwide and we have a big client in the Orlando area. The company hires peeps with any type of office experience for admin work, and then train you to suit the site. I know this because I had little admin experience even though I had alot of CS under my belt and they hired me.

I know the company has clients in other parts of FL also. Might be worth a shot.

iriscarmendiaz · May 2012

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[QUOTE]I'm browsing Craigslist, looking for part time jobs for after I move. Anyway, I see one ad that includes both "this is an entry-level position" and "applicant must have 2-3 years of experience." What gives? Which one is it? Those two things seem mutually exclusive to me. Entry level jobs are for people without experience. Maybe someone will hire me to write Craigslist ads for them. I should be in demand, none of these ads even make sense.
Posted by RupertPenny[/QUOTE]

Entry-level means pretty much most people with under 4 years experience. Otherwise it would be mid-level.

I know that sounds dumb, but I'm realizing more and more what that means. So whether you are fresh out of school or have a year or two of experience, it means the same thing in the eyes of the company (usually). Often, like someone else said, entry-level employees still have to be trained on the specifics of a company. And sometimes (as I'm learning now) those specifics and nuances can take a long time to acquire).

Good luck

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