In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:079ff6c7-04a1-4093-aad7-3a813a497b8b">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]Can I just tell y'all the the statistics on hunger in American really frighten me. I mean there are kids all over this country who only get to eat at school. I know a lot of local churches who fill backpacks with food for kids to eat over the weekend. The collect them on Tuesdays, youth groups and some Sunday school groups fill them on Wednesdays and deliver them to the schools on Friday's. The food is 100% donated by church members. I've done this, and it really pisses me off that when you get the backpacks they WREAK of cigarette smoke. Seriously?! You can afford to smoke, but I'm feeding your child?! Get your priorities in order please. I wonder what the percentage of people who receive welfare/disability/government assistance of any type who are also smokers is... (does that make sense?) Posted by SamiJoeB[/QUOTE]
What if the situation was reversed and heterosexual marriages were not legal. Would you be okay with not married your fiances and okay with just civil unions?
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:6dddb308-5cac-4e09-868f-9b972b93c316">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]What if the situation was reversed and heterosexual marriages were not legal. Would you be okay with not married your fiances and okay with just civil unions? Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
I can safely say...Yes. Marriage It is just a word. Love is love is love. One word does not matter to me. As long as I have the legal rights as anyone else I don't see how one word can matter so much.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:9d23b19e-daaf-449f-bb35-c94b0cb5aac2">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I can safely say...Yes. Marriage It is just a word. Love is love is love. One word does not matter to me. As long as I have the legal rights as anyone else I don't see how one word can matter so much. Posted by AmandaSC1988[/QUOTE]
I'm confused. Are you for or against gay marriage?
Because if a word is a word, who cares then if gays can use the word?
Irish - I mean't like I won't reference a specific part in the bible in the Old Testament where it clearly states about homosexuality - I should of clarified that.
I can see what you mean about if Abortions were illegal that they would still be going on without regulations - and that is 100% correct, which is why I won't say it shouldnt' be illegal. It happened in the 50's - with clothes hangers.
I believe women should have a choice in whether or not to keep their baby or give it up for adoption - I just can't agree with abortion. I'm still working on where exactly I draw the line. I've read articles from women who have given up their baby for adoption after being raped and one who actually kept the child and raised it. There is a lot of gray area with situations surrounding abortion - I just can't agree with abortion.
Gotcha Amh, just pointing out the irony of the post; I'm not saying using the Bible as your moral compass is wrong, I just think you should own that. You referenced the Bible quite a bit, whether or not it was quoted.
Got to class too early and catching up lol. Hike that was just my friends wording for lack of a better phrase. She just feels she wouldn't do it again because she already got one
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:394e16b5-be98-4596-b867-111890e1dc34">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Do you believe addiction is a disease? Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
I do. My brother suffers from addiction. The thing is with addiction - it's a much harder disease to cure. You can't just throw someone in rehab and expect them to get better - they have to want it. It isn't the type of disease like the flu - it's something completely different. It's a disease that literally alters a person from who they were, into something completely different. And it doesn't just affect the addict - it affects everyone around them.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:1e980c00-7b14-4709-9c69-f596345e74fb">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]Gotcha Amh, just pointing out the irony of the post; I'm not saying using the Bible as your moral compass is wrong, I just think you should own that. You referenced the Bible quite a bit, whether or not it was quoted. Posted by Irishcurls[/QUOTE]
Gotcha. I should of clarified. From what I've been taught through classes that if you're going to reference the bible - it's better to do so with the New Testament rather than the old, since the New Testament relates better to society today. I haven't read enough of the Old Testament to be comfortable in quoting/referencing it at all. And I really don't like how in that particular arguement people reference that one scripture all the time and then drop the arguement/debate. It actually reminds me of a billboard I see everytime we drive through GA.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:994b6fc9-c2d3-41f3-a50a-3c8b1215d6ec">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Gotcha. I should of clarified. From what I've been taught through classes that if you're going to reference the bible - it's better to do so with the New Testament rather than the old, since the New Testament relates better to society today. I haven't read enough of the Old Testament to be comfortable in quoting/referencing it at all. And I really don't like how in that particular arguement people reference that one scripture all the time and then drop the arguement/debate. It actually reminds me of a billboard I see everytime we drive through GA. Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:3a332ae8-1765-4c88-bafb-a42a8d322143">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I'm confused. Are you for or against gay marriage? Because if a word is a word, who cares then if gays can use the word? Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
I am Pro-Gays. I am also Pro- using-the-correct-words. It boils down to one word. Like you said, It doesn't REALLY matter. It is like the people with the PPDs. They call them weddings... they really are vow renewals. In the end it is just one word.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:a2d0ec73-3e26-444a-9ab5-3e506309ef87">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]I definitely agree that addiction is a disease. That's why I don't really care if someone on welfare or food stamps smokes. Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
If they're on welfare - I think welfare should really find better ways to help them quit, there are tons of programs out there and they really should advocate them. I will say that regardless of addiction - if a person is on drugs they do not need to be on welfare. I feel that sometimes - addicts use their addiction to get away with things. Being on welfare is enabling them to continue their addiction as well. It's a disease for sure, but enabling them is only worsening their disease.
AMH - there was slavery for several thousand years, since the Jews in Egypt all the way through the mid-1900's. Was it wrong of us to end that? Women were considered property of their husbands for thousands of years, too - was it wrong of us to give them the right to vote, and work?
I just don't think because something has existed for a long time makes it right.
I do think you need to meet some gay people and learn more about something I don't think you understand or have been exposed to much. That's right, gay is an adjective, not a noun. Just like we wouldn't say, "Are they gays or straights?" People can be described as gay or straight, but they don't become a new noun just because of what they do in their bedroom. If that were the case, I can only imagine what my new noun would be! "Is that a group of Submissives walking down the street? I think I saw a Doggy-Style at the mall today. Did you meet those Orgies earlier at the gym? They were talking to the BlowJobers by the stairmasters."
I saw a poster once I really liked:
I gotta say, I respect that you have your opinions, and that you don't believe marriage should be anything other than man vs. woman, and that you're pro-life, but the way you explain it makes me feel like you're rather narrow minded on the subjects, and it does turn me off a bit. Pro-choice isn't "pro-abortion" - it's saying that it's a personal choice. Pro-life is truly anti-choice - you don't want ANYONE to have the choice. I personally don't know if I could ever have an abortion, but that's my choice to make and I'm really glad that someone else can't tell me that I have to have something occupy my body for 9 months if I don't want it there.
BAH! Coming in really late but I have to say that I absolutely hate the abuse of aid from the government. It just upsets me so much to know people that openly admit to forging or withholding information for the sake of getting aid from the government. Justice will someday prevail though and honestly I have half a mind to turn those people in...the other half thinks of their children that would suffer without their (excuse me for this) stupid selfish parents. I have told off a couple of women and even an "uncle" of mine for openly bragging about how they have so many children so they don't have to work as much and they'll always have food stamps or how they make "adjustments" so they get more money. They talk of it as if they're proud of it too which only makes me even angrier. >:/
Boy this reminds me of the time I went with my aunt to the social security office... A woman was on her cell phone outside of the office and talking with someone in Spanish (as if she thought that there would be noone that could understand her) so they could withdraw her money from the bank account she had registered with the social security office so that they wouldn't know she had that much money. She specifically said that they "will not give me anything here if they know that I actually have money." She giggled afterward as if it were a joke.
There are many other things that I have a problem with...but that will have to wait a bit.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:a2d0ec73-3e26-444a-9ab5-3e506309ef87">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]I definitely agree that addiction is a disease. That's why I don't really care if someone on welfare or food stamps smokes. Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
This used to bother me. Mostly because, in PA, they used to be able to buy cigarettes with their welfare money. Only with in the last 4 or 5 years did they change that.
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In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:06f73d71-bf2a-4795-ae64-abaf5678c5f2">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I am Pro-Gays. I am also Pro- using-the-correct-words. It boils down to one word. Like you said, It doesn't REALLY matter. It is like the people with the PPDs. They call them weddings... they really are vow renewals. In the end it is just one word. Posted by AmandaSC1988[/QUOTE]
Okay gotcha! I thought you were against gay marriage.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:e3910e57-c7f8-4cbd-8138-e4d61adac5e0">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : When was the new testament written? Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
It was cannonized before 475 AD - the oldest part of the New Testament was thought written in 45 AD and that is the book of James.
The Old Testament - the oldest part is thought to be the Book of Job written about 1500 BC with the newest part being the book of Malachi written in 400 BC
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:2a2abaa8-0e2c-4e25-9347-66b7ab77e41a">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : If they're on welfare - I think welfare should really find better ways to help them quit, there are tons of programs out there and they really should advocate them. I will say that regardless of addiction - if a person is on drugs they do not need to be on welfare. I feel that sometimes - addicts use their addiction to get away with things. Being on welfare is enabling them to continue their addiction as well. It's a disease for sure, but enabling them is only worsening their disease. Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
Helping them quit smoking would probably cost more than the using welfare money on cigarettes.
I really believe addiction is a disease. I think back to my eating disorder. I couldn't have stopped it just because someone would be willing to give me money.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:a34db580-d3ad-4dda-b1c8-fd9d68a2fd42">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]AMH - there was slavery for several thousand years, since the Jews in Egypt all the way through the mid-1900's. Was it wrong of us to end that? Women were considered property of their husbands for thousands of years, too - was it wrong of us to give them the right to vote, and work? I just don't think because something has existed for a long time makes it right. I do think you need to meet some gay people and learn more about something I don't think you understand or have been exposed to much. That's right, gay is an adjective, not a noun. Just like we wouldn't say, "Are they gays or straights?" People can be described as gay or straight, but they don't become a new noun just because of what they do in their bedroom. If that were the case, I can only imagine what my new noun would be! "Is that a group of Submissives walking down the street? I think I saw a Doggy-Style at the mall today. Did you meet those Orgies earlier at the gym? They were talking to the BlowJobers by the stairmasters." I saw a poster once I really liked: I gotta say, I respect that you have your opinions, and that you don't believe marriage should be anything other than man vs. woman, and that you're pro-life, but the way you explain it makes me feel like you're rather narrow minded on the subjects, and it does turn me off a bit. Pro-choice isn't "pro-abortion" - it's saying that it's a personal choice. Pro-life is truly anti-choice - you don't want ANYONE to have the choice. I personally don't know if I could ever have an abortion, but that's my choice to make and I'm really glad that someone else can't tell me that I have to have something occupy my body for 9 months if I don't want it there. Posted by calindi[/QUOTE]
Cali - We normally get along pretty well - but why on earth would you say that I 'need' gay friends. I actually have a few Gay friends thanks. Hell my prom date was a Gay man. It really makes me think that you're a little judgemental to assume that I haven't explored or been exposed to much. It's not like I lived in some little town that didn't say the word 'gay'. It's not like I was raised in a Christian home - I NEVER went to church except maybe 2x with an Aunt until I was 19. Maybe you shouldn't assume that I surround myself with only those who support my same views and same religion becuase that is far from the truth. Like I said I support having a choice - I just can't agree with abortion. Simply stated. I don't like it.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:872c59d8-0171-469c-9d80-75cf29f72861">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Helping them quit smoking would probably cost more than the using welfare money on cigarettes. I really believe addiction is a disease<strong>. I think back to my eating disorder. I couldn't have stopped it just because someone would be willing to give me money. </strong>Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
I agree. I still struggle with it, daily pretty much. I couldn't of stopped it until I hit rock bottom. Which wasn't as rock bottom as some. But it was my rock bottom. It's a challenge over coming it, and something that you have to learn to live with and learn to alter the way you think daily.
I have a VERY unpopular opinion and I apologize if I am offending anyone that has gone through an abortion.. I don’t like it and I don’t think it is fair for the unborn child.I understand things happen and there are excuses made to why abortion is a good idea...But in the end it is still an innocent life that is lost, argue it anyway you want and try to convince me that it is a good idea…But I will disagree with you completely. Rape is the only reason I can remotely see it being a good idea, then again I feel like the wrong party is getting punished. I used to think health complications could be a viable excuse until I saw this article. http://newsok.com/oklahoma-cancer-patient-trades-her-life-so-her-baby-could-survive/article/3613629 Tell me that isn’t a beautiful story…and if you don’t cry…I’m sorry. I did. I know if I was ever in that situation it would be a heartbreaking choice, and I hope for medical advances so women never have to choose.As far as “when does life begin” I believe it begins when the fetus has a unique DNA set. You get into a sticky situation when you say “Life begins at birth” Oh really? So that kicking was just gas? Then when you try and pick an ambiguous time during gestation it doesn’t really work “Third Trimester” ….What about the second trimester? “When they can live on their own” What about the preemies that are born early..they can’t live on their own accord, does that make them any less of a person? But, just a side note, I think the people that protest at the abortion clinics are wrong. Hate doesn’t get anyone anywhere.
My point with the, letting them use welfare money on cigarettes, thing was that, if they are smoking a pack or 2 a day, they're spending at least $50 a week on cigarettes that they should be spending on food and clothing for their kiids. That's why welfare recipients are no longer to use that money on cigarettes in PA.
Also, in respiratory school, we learned that those on welfare (and those of lower classes) are more likely to be smokers. It dumbfounds me almost because, if you can barely feed your kids then why are you spending money on something that is not a necessity. I understand that you are addicted and it is a disease but, as a respiratory therapist student I had the opporunity to work with pulmonary rehab programs and have seen people quit by simply cutting back a little at a time. That costs people LESS money. Granted, these are men and women who are to the point of desperation in a lot of cases where they need oxygen 24/7, have had lung transplants, are trying to get more time with their kids and grandkids but, why does it have to come to that for people to quit? We will spend more money through medicaid taking care of the people that are smoking and are unfortunate enough to end up with pulmonary diseases than we would if we spent the money on smoking cessation programs.
It broke my heart to see these people going through this. I sat through a pulmonologist appointment during my schooling with a man that wished he had quit sooner. He had maybe a few months left and to see the heartbreak it caused him and his wife...I just wanted to cry. Addiction to cigarettes is a disease but it is one that doesn't have to happen and it is one that causes worse problems in the end.
ETA: I just feel very strongly about smoking cessation. Everyone wants to look at it as a burden but it really isn't.
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Also, I wanted to add my two cents on the abortion issue. I'm pro-choice, but I don't agree with abortion as a form of BC.. I've known girls who've had multiple abortions and I asked what BC they were using and they weren't using any. Um.. if you're going to have completely unprotected sex, you're probably going to end up pregnant.
Fun Fact: 2 of the 7 girls I've known in that situation are now married and freaking out that they are having trouble TTC.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:1d5e511f-b6a6-428d-a45e-bec54121e46e">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]My point with the, letting them use welfare money on cigarettes, thing was that, if they are smoking a pack or 2 a day, they're spending at least $50 a week on cigarettes that they should be spending on food and clothing for their kiids. That's why welfare recipients are no longer to use that money on cigarettes in PA. Also, in respiratory school, we learned that those on welfare (and those of lower classes) are more likely to be smokers. It dumbfounds me almost because, if you can barely feed your kids then why are you spending money on something that is not a necessity. I understand that you are addicted and it is a disease but, as a respiratory therapist student I had the opporunity to work with pulmonary rehab programs and<strong> have seen people quit by simply cutting back a little at a time. That costs people LESS money</strong>. Granted, these are men and women who are to the point of desperation in a lot of cases where they need oxygen 24/7, have had lung transplants, are trying to get more time with their kids and grandkids but, why does it have to come to that for people to quit? We will spend more money through medicaid taking care of the people that are smoking and are unfortunate enough to end up with pulmonary diseases than we would if we spent the money on smoking cessation programs. It broke my heart to see these people going through this. I sat through a pulmonologist appointment during my schooling with a man that wished he had quit sooner. He had maybe a few months left and to see the heartbreak it caused him and his wife...I just wanted to cry. Addiction to cigarettes is a disease but it is one that doesn't have to happen and it is one that causes worse problems in the end. Posted by Sammy0709[/QUOTE]
I agree - it is a disease I think that a lot of times is inherited through role models. An 8 year old boy watches his mom smoke and when he turns 15 and is offered a cigeratte - you know he is going to take it, because 'it must be okay my mom does it'. Addiction itself is really a sad disease and it's definitely one that needs some attention. As for the bolded part, he reality though is that unless a person is ready to quit, they won't. No matter the consequences. No matter what we do/say unless the person is ready to quit smoking cigerattes - they won't. Example - my brother won't be at my wedding because he can't stop his addiction. I won't enable it, or support it. Unless he hits rock bottom in 5 weeks and quits. He won't be there. It's sad but without the addict wanting to quit -on their own terms. They won't. Enabling it makes it worse.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:cf435040-830f-4563-8bec-e6472c447df8">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]Also, I wanted to add my two cents on the abortion issue. I'm pro-choice, but I don't agree with abortion as a form of BC.. I've known girls who've had multiple abortions and I asked what BC they were using and they weren't using any. Um.. if you're going to have completely unprotected sex, you're probably going to end up pregnant. Fun Fact: 2 of the 7 girls I've known in that situation are now married and freaking out that they are having trouble TTC. Posted by SamiJoeB[/QUOTE]
This amazes me...the people who use no birth control and get all surprised when they get pregnant. What did you think would happen?
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Completely side note but I heard about a study they were doing in OKC about teen snoking cessation program. They were asking for kids 12-16 who are having trouble quiting.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_military-brides_discussion-friday?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:13Discussion:dbcd06b5-688b-40a5-ae0b-db97dd439a69Post:394e16b5-be98-4596-b867-111890e1dc34">Re: Discussion Friday!</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Do you believe addiction is a disease? Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
Yes I do. However, but I think that if you can't feed your children because of your addictions, you need to find some help! Not to be a hard-ass or anything but I mean there are free or low cost rehab programs all over the country.. you're clearly willing to accept monatary assistance, why not mental/psychological help as well?
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[QUOTE]Can I just tell y'all the the statistics on hunger in American really frighten me. I mean there are kids all over this country who only get to eat at school. I know a lot of local churches who fill backpacks with food for kids to eat over the weekend. The collect them on Tuesdays, youth groups and some Sunday school groups fill them on Wednesdays and deliver them to the schools on Friday's. The food is 100% donated by church members. I've done this, and it really pisses me off that when you get the backpacks they WREAK of cigarette smoke. Seriously?! You can afford to smoke, but I'm feeding your child?! Get your priorities in order please. I wonder what the percentage of people who receive welfare/disability/government assistance of any type who are also smokers is... (does that make sense?)
Posted by SamiJoeB[/QUOTE]
Do you believe addiction is a disease?
[QUOTE]What if the situation was reversed and heterosexual marriages were not legal. Would you be okay with not married your fiances and okay with just civil unions?
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
I can safely say...Yes.
Marriage It is just a word. Love is love is love. One word does not matter to me. As long as I have the legal rights as anyone else I don't see how one word can matter so much.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I can safely say...Yes. Marriage It is just a word. Love is love is love. One word does not matter to me. As long as I have the legal rights as anyone else I don't see how one word can matter so much.
Posted by AmandaSC1988[/QUOTE]
I'm confused. Are you for or against gay marriage?
Because if a word is a word, who cares then if gays can use the word?
I can see what you mean about if Abortions were illegal that they would still be going on without regulations - and that is 100% correct, which is why I won't say it shouldnt' be illegal. It happened in the 50's - with clothes hangers.
I believe women should have a choice in whether or not to keep their baby or give it up for adoption - I just can't agree with abortion. I'm still working on where exactly I draw the line. I've read articles from women who have given up their baby for adoption after being raped and one who actually kept the child and raised it. There is a lot of gray area with situations surrounding abortion - I just can't agree with abortion.
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Do you believe addiction is a disease?
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
I do. My brother suffers from addiction. The thing is with addiction - it's a much harder disease to cure. You can't just throw someone in rehab and expect them to get better - they have to want it. It isn't the type of disease like the flu - it's something completely different. It's a disease that literally alters a person from who they were, into something completely different. And it doesn't just affect the addict - it affects everyone around them.
[QUOTE]Gotcha Amh, just pointing out the irony of the post; I'm not saying using the Bible as your moral compass is wrong, I just think you should own that. You referenced the Bible quite a bit, whether or not it was quoted.
Posted by Irishcurls[/QUOTE]
Gotcha. I should of clarified. From what I've been taught through classes that if you're going to reference the bible - it's better to do so with the New Testament rather than the old, since the New Testament relates better to society today. I haven't read enough of the Old Testament to be comfortable in quoting/referencing it at all.
And I really don't like how in that particular arguement people reference that one scripture all the time and then drop the arguement/debate. It actually reminds me of a billboard I see everytime we drive through GA.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Gotcha. I should of clarified. From what I've been taught through classes that if you're going to reference the bible - it's better to do so with the New Testament rather than the old, since the New Testament relates better to society today. I haven't read enough of the Old Testament to be comfortable in quoting/referencing it at all. And I really don't like how in that particular arguement people reference that one scripture all the time and then drop the arguement/debate. It actually reminds me of a billboard I see everytime we drive through GA.
Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
When was the new testament written?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I'm confused. Are you for or against gay marriage? Because if a word is a word, who cares then if gays can use the word?
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
I am Pro-Gays. I am also Pro- using-the-correct-words. It boils down to one word. Like you said, It doesn't REALLY matter. It is like the people with the PPDs. They call them weddings... they really are vow renewals. In the end it is just one word.
[QUOTE]I definitely agree that addiction is a disease. That's why I don't really care if someone on welfare or food stamps smokes.
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
If they're on welfare - I think welfare should really find better ways to help them quit, there are tons of programs out there and they really should advocate them. I will say that regardless of addiction - if a person is on drugs they do not need to be on welfare.
I feel that sometimes - addicts use their addiction to get away with things. Being on welfare is enabling them to continue their addiction as well. It's a disease for sure, but enabling them is only worsening their disease.
I just don't think because something has existed for a long time makes it right.
I do think you need to meet some gay people and learn more about something I don't think you understand or have been exposed to much. That's right, gay is an adjective, not a noun. Just like we wouldn't say, "Are they gays or straights?" People can be described as gay or straight, but they don't become a new noun just because of what they do in their bedroom. If that were the case, I can only imagine what my new noun would be! "Is that a group of Submissives walking down the street? I think I saw a Doggy-Style at the mall today. Did you meet those Orgies earlier at the gym? They were talking to the BlowJobers by the stairmasters."
I saw a poster once I really liked:
I gotta say, I respect that you have your opinions, and that you don't believe marriage should be anything other than man vs. woman, and that you're pro-life, but the way you explain it makes me feel like you're rather narrow minded on the subjects, and it does turn me off a bit. Pro-choice isn't "pro-abortion" - it's saying that it's a personal choice. Pro-life is truly anti-choice - you don't want ANYONE to have the choice. I personally don't know if I could ever have an abortion, but that's my choice to make and I'm really glad that someone else can't tell me that I have to have something occupy my body for 9 months if I don't want it there.
Boy this reminds me of the time I went with my aunt to the social security office...
A woman was on her cell phone outside of the office and talking with someone in Spanish (as if she thought that there would be noone that could understand her) so they could withdraw her money from the bank account she had registered with the social security office so that they wouldn't know she had that much money. She specifically said that they "will not give me anything here if they know that I actually have money." She giggled afterward as if it were a joke.
There are many other things that I have a problem with...but that will have to wait a bit.
[QUOTE]I definitely agree that addiction is a disease. That's why I don't really care if someone on welfare or food stamps smokes.
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
This used to bother me. Mostly because, in PA, they used to be able to buy cigarettes with their welfare money. Only with in the last 4 or 5 years did they change that.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I am Pro-Gays. I am also Pro- using-the-correct-words. It boils down to one word. Like you said, It doesn't REALLY matter. It is like the people with the PPDs. They call them weddings... they really are vow renewals. In the end it is just one word.
Posted by AmandaSC1988[/QUOTE]
Okay gotcha! I thought you were against gay marriage.
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : When was the new testament written?
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
It was cannonized before 475 AD - the oldest part of the New Testament was thought written in 45 AD and that is the book of James.
The Old Testament - the oldest part is thought to be the Book of Job written about 1500 BC with the newest part being the book of Malachi written in 400 BC
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : If they're on welfare - I think welfare should really find better ways to help them quit, there are tons of programs out there and they really should advocate them. I will say that regardless of addiction - if a person is on drugs they do not need to be on welfare. I feel that sometimes - addicts use their addiction to get away with things. Being on welfare is enabling them to continue their addiction as well. It's a disease for sure, but enabling them is only worsening their disease.
Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
Helping them quit smoking would probably cost more than the using welfare money on cigarettes.
I really believe addiction is a disease. I think back to my eating disorder. I couldn't have stopped it just because someone would be willing to give me money.
[QUOTE]AMH - there was slavery for several thousand years, since the Jews in Egypt all the way through the mid-1900's. Was it wrong of us to end that? Women were considered property of their husbands for thousands of years, too - was it wrong of us to give them the right to vote, and work? I just don't think because something has existed for a long time makes it right. I do think you need to meet some gay people and learn more about something I don't think you understand or have been exposed to much. That's right, gay is an adjective, not a noun. Just like we wouldn't say, "Are they gays or straights?" People can be described as gay or straight, but they don't become a new noun just because of what they do in their bedroom. If that were the case, I can only imagine what my new noun would be! "Is that a group of Submissives walking down the street? I think I saw a Doggy-Style at the mall today. Did you meet those Orgies earlier at the gym? They were talking to the BlowJobers by the stairmasters." I saw a poster once I really liked: I gotta say, I respect that you have your opinions, and that you don't believe marriage should be anything other than man vs. woman, and that you're pro-life, but the way you explain it makes me feel like you're rather narrow minded on the subjects, and it does turn me off a bit. Pro-choice isn't "pro-abortion" - it's saying that it's a personal choice. Pro-life is truly anti-choice - you don't want ANYONE to have the choice. I personally don't know if I could ever have an abortion, but that's my choice to make and I'm really glad that someone else can't tell me that I have to have something occupy my body for 9 months if I don't want it there.
Posted by calindi[/QUOTE]
Cali - We normally get along pretty well - but why on earth would you say that I 'need' gay friends. I actually have a few Gay friends thanks. Hell my prom date was a Gay man. It really makes me think that you're a little judgemental to assume that I haven't explored or been exposed to much. It's not like I lived in some little town that didn't say the word 'gay'. It's not like I was raised in a Christian home - I NEVER went to church except maybe 2x with an Aunt until I was 19. Maybe you shouldn't assume that I surround myself with only those who support my same views and same religion becuase that is far from the truth.
Like I said I support having a choice - I just can't agree with abortion. Simply stated. I don't like it.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Helping them quit smoking would probably cost more than the using welfare money on cigarettes. I really believe addiction is a disease<strong>. I think back to my eating disorder. I couldn't have stopped it just because someone would be willing to give me money.
</strong>Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
I agree. I still struggle with it, daily pretty much. I couldn't of stopped it until I hit rock bottom. Which wasn't as rock bottom as some. But it was my rock bottom. It's a challenge over coming it, and something that you have to learn to live with and learn to alter the way you think daily.
But, just a side note, I think the people that protest at the abortion clinics are wrong. Hate doesn’t get anyone anywhere.
Also, in respiratory school, we learned that those on welfare (and those of lower classes) are more likely to be smokers. It dumbfounds me almost because, if you can barely feed your kids then why are you spending money on something that is not a necessity. I understand that you are addicted and it is a disease but, as a respiratory therapist student I had the opporunity to work with pulmonary rehab programs and have seen people quit by simply cutting back a little at a time. That costs people LESS money. Granted, these are men and women who are to the point of desperation in a lot of cases where they need oxygen 24/7, have had lung transplants, are trying to get more time with their kids and grandkids but, why does it have to come to that for people to quit? We will spend more money through medicaid taking care of the people that are smoking and are unfortunate enough to end up with pulmonary diseases than we would if we spent the money on smoking cessation programs.
It broke my heart to see these people going through this. I sat through a pulmonologist appointment during my schooling with a man that wished he had quit sooner. He had maybe a few months left and to see the heartbreak it caused him and his wife...I just wanted to cry. Addiction to cigarettes is a disease but it is one that doesn't have to happen and it is one that causes worse problems in the end.
ETA: I just feel very strongly about smoking cessation. Everyone wants to look at it as a burden but it really isn't.
Fun Fact: 2 of the 7 girls I've known in that situation are now married and freaking out that they are having trouble TTC.
[QUOTE]My point with the, letting them use welfare money on cigarettes, thing was that, if they are smoking a pack or 2 a day, they're spending at least $50 a week on cigarettes that they should be spending on food and clothing for their kiids. That's why welfare recipients are no longer to use that money on cigarettes in PA. Also, in respiratory school, we learned that those on welfare (and those of lower classes) are more likely to be smokers. It dumbfounds me almost because, if you can barely feed your kids then why are you spending money on something that is not a necessity. I understand that you are addicted and it is a disease but, as a respiratory therapist student I had the opporunity to work with pulmonary rehab programs and<strong> have seen people quit by simply cutting back a little at a time. That costs people LESS money</strong>. Granted, these are men and women who are to the point of desperation in a lot of cases where they need oxygen 24/7, have had lung transplants, are trying to get more time with their kids and grandkids but, why does it have to come to that for people to quit? We will spend more money through medicaid taking care of the people that are smoking and are unfortunate enough to end up with pulmonary diseases than we would if we spent the money on smoking cessation programs. It broke my heart to see these people going through this. I sat through a pulmonologist appointment during my schooling with a man that wished he had quit sooner. He had maybe a few months left and to see the heartbreak it caused him and his wife...I just wanted to cry. Addiction to cigarettes is a disease but it is one that doesn't have to happen and it is one that causes worse problems in the end.
Posted by Sammy0709[/QUOTE]
I agree - it is a disease I think that a lot of times is inherited through role models. An 8 year old boy watches his mom smoke and when he turns 15 and is offered a cigeratte - you know he is going to take it, because 'it must be okay my mom does it'.
Addiction itself is really a sad disease and it's definitely one that needs some attention. As for the bolded part, he reality though is that unless a person is ready to quit, they won't. No matter the consequences. No matter what we do/say unless the person is ready to quit smoking cigerattes - they won't.
Example - my brother won't be at my wedding because he can't stop his addiction. I won't enable it, or support it. Unless he hits rock bottom in 5 weeks and quits. He won't be there. It's sad but without the addict wanting to quit -on their own terms. They won't. Enabling it makes it worse.
Edited for clairity.
[QUOTE]Also, I wanted to add my two cents on the abortion issue. I'm pro-choice, but I don't agree with abortion as a form of BC.. I've known girls who've had multiple abortions and I asked what BC they were using and they weren't using any. Um.. if you're going to have completely unprotected sex, you're probably going to end up pregnant. Fun Fact: 2 of the 7 girls I've known in that situation are now married and freaking out that they are having trouble TTC.
Posted by SamiJoeB[/QUOTE]
This amazes me...the people who use no birth control and get all surprised when they get pregnant. What did you think would happen?
AHHH what?? 12 years old???
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Do you believe addiction is a disease?
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
Yes I do. However, but I think that if you can't feed your children because of your addictions, you need to find some help! Not to be a hard-ass or anything but I mean there are free or low cost rehab programs all over the country.. you're clearly willing to accept monatary assistance, why not mental/psychological help as well?