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Confused and Curious: NWR

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Re: Confused and Curious: NWR

  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_confused-curious-nwr?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:dadb89ef-6fe6-4a67-9e1b-7c1449686508Post:3f0a5672-82a1-4119-a498-2d73ccaf34c0">Re: Confused and Curious: NWR</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Confused and Curious: NWR : I seriously doubt that I am the only petty one here.
    Posted by DeadUtopia[/QUOTE]

    <div>Well I just don't understand why you come to this board then, since you seem to disapprove of it so much.  There are plenty of other boards.</div>
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Confused and Curious: NWR : Well I don't see how you can act any better than the "regs" with the occasional snarky comments if you're going to argue about something you don't actually think is important to stir up shiit. It's petty too, IMO.
    Posted by SkettiHeadie[/QUOTE]

    Do the comments even count as snarky? I can't tell due to the terribly poor attempts at sarcasm and ridiculous use of smiley faces as an attempt to... what exactly? Snark fail, if that's what it is.
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  • Don't do that.  No matter how right you are, the minute you start talking to me like you're my mother and I'm a recalcitrant 4 year old that needs correcting I'm going to disregard everything you say.

    I did not refer to you the way I would to a 4 year old.  I was simply suggesting that everyone keep the context in which this whole thing blew up (someone losing a close relative) in mind.  

    You can take or leave whatever I say because, frankly, I don't care.  
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Confused and Curious: NWR : I seriously doubt that I am the only petty one here.
    Posted by DeadUtopia[/QUOTE]

    So?  If the whole board collectively sh*ts their pants, just because you're not the only one who did it doesn't negate the fact that you did, in fact, sh*t your pants.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Confused and Curious: NWR : Well I just don't understand why you come to this board then, since you seem to disapprove of it so much.  There are plenty of other boards.
    Posted by dnbeach12[/QUOTE]

    <div>THIS. </div>
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Confused and Curious: NWR : So?  If the whole board collectively sh*ts their pants, just because you're not the only one who did it doesn't negate the fact that you did, in fact, sh*t your pants.
    Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

    But what if you're not wearing pants? Huh? What then? HUH?
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    [QUOTE]Don't do that.  No matter how right you are, the minute you start talking to me like you're my mother and I'm a recalcitrant 4 year old that needs correcting I'm going to disregard everything you say. I did not refer to you the way I would to a 4 year old.  I was simply suggesting that everyone keep the context in which this whole thing blew up (someone losing a close relative) in mind.   <strong>You can take or leave whatever I say because, frankly, I don't care.  
    </strong>Posted by NOLAbridealmost[/QUOTE]

    Does this mean you're taking your ball and going home?
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    [QUOTE]Don't do that.  No matter how right you are, the minute you start talking to me like you're my mother and I'm a recalcitrant 4 year old that needs correcting I'm going to disregard everything you say. I did not refer to you the way I would to a 4 year old.  I was simply suggesting that everyone keep the context in which this whole thing blew up (someone losing a close relative) in mind.   You can take or leave whatever I say because,<strong> frankly, I don't care</strong>.  
    Posted by NOLAbridealmost[/QUOTE]

    I don't think that's true at all.
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    [QUOTE]Don't do that.  No matter how right you are, the minute you start talking to me like you're my mother and I'm a recalcitrant 4 year old that needs correcting I'm going to disregard everything you say. I did not refer to you the way I would to a 4 year old. <strong> I was simply suggesting that everyone keep the context in which this whole thing blew up (someone losing a close relative) in mind.   </strong>You can take or leave whatever I say because, frankly, I don't care.  
    Posted by NOLAbridealmost[/QUOTE]

    <div>At this point, I don't think it matters in what context this all started.  It basically all boils down to another newb trying to telll a board full of grown adults how they should and should not talk.  That never goes over well.  Snippy is a grown woman, and if she wants to respond that way, she will.  I guarantee that this post is not going to change who she is.  Just like nobody else  changes how they post when someone says how mean the old married hags are.</div>
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    [QUOTE]Don't do that.  No matter how right you are, the minute you start talking to me like you're my mother and I'm a recalcitrant 4 year old that needs correcting I'm going to disregard everything you say. I did not refer to you the way I would to a 4 year old.  I was simply suggesting that everyone keep the context in which this whole thing blew up (someone losing a close relative) in mind.   You can take or leave whatever I say because, frankly, I don't care.  
    Posted by NOLAbridealmost[/QUOTE]

    Not really; the context in which this blew up is overly sensitive posters taking an offhanded comment to heart.  If you're that offended by what Snippy says, then block her, or confront her.

    FTR - I don't think that OP meant to stir things up w/ her OP here, as she's just trying to get an understanding of the board dynamics.  Others, however, want to take it upon themselves to continue to argue whether Snippy was right or wrong, and whether or not the board was right or wrong to allow her comment to go "unpunished" simply because she's a reg.  
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  • Does this mean you're taking your ball and going home?

    No. I am staying. I have a voice and I think I have valuable things to add to these discussions.  I also do not think that I in any way treated any of the readers of this board as if they were children when I suggested that we all keep perspective about the OP of the original thread's position. (That being said, if you feel patronized, I apologize because it was not my intention at all). 

    I've been here far too long to give up after something like this =) 



  • DeadUtopiaDeadUtopia member
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    edited April 2011
    I like how this whole thing has been so bent out of shape about something so inconsequential. I come to these boards to get info that I could use for my wedding, same as most of the other people on here. Frankly, threads like this are useless to the majority of the people who frequent these boards trying to do the same as me. I don't see why everyone is so up in arms about something anyway. I think my first post on this thread expresses everything that I would just repeat now.

    And, btw, I use smileys because I don't take this as serious as some of you must be. It's just another thread where people disagree and it's going to go on forever and turn into a whole other conversation and fade into the pages and pages of other posts.

    It has already been well established that most thought that the original 'snarky' comment on the other thread was a little uncalled for and that being said, there's not much left to discuss.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Confused and Curious: NWR : I didn't mean anything in this particular post, but I feel like her and the OP were saying that the women who post here are usually unnecessarily snarky. And if they are, I'm just saying that it doesn't make her any better if she's just arguing for kicks and doesn't actually care about the subject at hand. I think she needs to grow a thicker skin or go somewhere else.
    Posted by SkettiHeadie[/QUOTE]

    Gotcha.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Confused and Curious: NWR : Not really; the context in which this blew up is overly sensitive posters taking an offhanded comment to heart.  If you're that offended by what Snippy says, then block her, or confront her. FTR - I don't think that OP meant to stir things up w/ her OP here, as she's just trying to get an understanding of the board dynamics.  Others, however, want to take it upon themselves to continue to argue whether Snippy was right or wrong, and whether or not the board was right or wrong to allow her comment to go "unpunished" simply because she's a reg.  
    Posted by tidetravel[/QUOTE]

    Exactly!  It's obnoxious at this point.

    Off subject completely, but how are you feeling tide?  You are getting so close to having those twins.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Confused and Curious: NWR : FTR - I don't think that OP meant to stir things up w/ her OP here, as she's just trying to get an understanding of the board dynamics.  Others, however, want to take it upon themselves to continue to argue whether Snippy was right or wrong, and whether or not the board was right or wrong to allow her comment to go "unpunished" simply because she's a reg.  
    Posted by tidetravel[/QUOTE]

    Thank you Tide, for saying what I was thinking.
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    [QUOTE]I like how this whole thing has been so bent out of shape about something as inconsequential. I come to these boards to get info that I could use for my wedding, same as most of the other people on here. Frankly, threads like this are useless to the majority of the people who frequent these boards trying to do the same as me. I don't see why everyone is so up in arms about something anyway. I think my first post on this thread expresses everything that I would just repeat now. And, btw, I use smileys because I don't take this as serious as some of you must be. It's just another thread where people disagree and it's going to go on forever and turn into a whole other conversation and fade into the pages and pages of other posts. <strong>It has already been well established that most thought that the original 'snarky' comment on the other thread was a little uncalled for and that being said, there's not much left to discuss.</strong>
    Posted by DeadUtopia[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>So since you said that in your first post, why are you still "discussing" it.  </div><div>
    </div><div>Seriously, if these boards were just people answering questions and not discussing things, it would be boring as hell.  

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    [QUOTE]I like how this whole thing has been so bent out of shape about something so inconsequential. I come to these boards to get info that I could use for my wedding, same as most of the other people on here. Frankly, threads like this are useless to the majority of the people who frequent these boards trying to do the same as me. I don't see why everyone is so up in arms about something anyway. I think my first post on this thread expresses everything that I would just repeat now. And, btw, I use smileys because I don't take this as serious as some of you must be. It's just another thread where people disagree and it's going to go on forever and turn into a whole other conversation and fade into the pages and pages of other posts. It has already been well established that most thought that the original 'snarky' comment on the other thread was a little uncalled for and that being said, there's not much left to discuss.
    Posted by DeadUtopia[/QUOTE]


    Everything you just said is another load of crap.  You have no idea how many things I have learned about proper etiquette from TK and the etiquette board in general.

    Some people take it seriously because they are actually learning things in order to not turn into a crazy talked about bridezilla for the rest of their lives.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Confused and Curious: NWR : So since you said that in your first post, why are you still "discussing" it.   Seriously, if these boards were just people answering questions and not discussing things, it would be boring as hell.  
    Posted by dnbeach12[/QUOTE]


    And this is why people stick around on convos. Not to be obnoxious. I've been in threads with most of you before. I was just expressing what my opinion was and just because everyone doesn't feel the same doesn't mean I'm going to skulk away with my tail between my legs.

    I still take everyone's advice and I use it. I look at posts and pay attention to how certain things are received on these boards so I know what to avoid, etc.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Confused and Curious: NWR : Exactly!  It's obnoxious at this point. Off subject completely, but how are you feeling tide?  You are getting so close to having those twins.
    Posted by jilld82[/QUOTE]

    Wait.  I don't think I can discuss this on this thread.  Something about the thread devolving to conversation and not being useful to other brides lurking on these boards...

    I'm OK.  I worked my last day on SAT, and now I'm officially on Maternity leave.  I'm ready for them to come - Docs won't let me go past 38 weeks (standard procedure w/ twins), so if they don't come this week, they will be evicted on Friday at 11:30 am.
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    [QUOTE]I like how this whole thing has been so bent out of shape about something so inconsequential. I come to these boards to get info that I could use for my wedding, same as most of the other people on here. Frankly, threads like this are useless to the majority of the people who frequent these boards trying to do the same as me. I don't see why everyone is so up in arms about something anyway. I think my first post on this thread expresses everything that I would just repeat now. And, btw, I use smileys because I don't take this as serious as some of you must be. It's just another thread where people disagree and it's going to go on forever and turn into a whole other conversation and fade into the pages and pages of other posts. It has already been well established that most thought that the original 'snarky' comment on the other thread was a little uncalled for and that being said, there's not much left to discuss.
    Posted by DeadUtopia[/QUOTE]

    For someone who thinks this entire thread is pointless and useless and doesn't understand why people are so "up in arms" about it, you sure do seem to enjoy continuing to stir the virtual pot.
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  • I'm bored

    I think I'll start a new post about something else
  • WTH are you talking about??

    I never said that only "regs" attack "newbs" and that they're evil creatures from the bowels of hell.

    I'm just saying that the E board is notorious for newbs to be torn apart. That was part of the op's complaint too.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Confused and Curious: NWR : For someone who thinks this entire thread is pointless and useless and doesn't understand why people are so "up in arms" about it, you sure do seem to enjoy continuing to stir the virtual pot.
    Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

    <div>Exactly.  You are actually just proving yourself to be quite the hypocrite in this thread.  </div>
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    [QUOTE]I'm bored I think I'll start a new post about something else
    Posted by ootmother2[/QUOTE]

    <div>This is why I like you, oot.</div>
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    [QUOTE]Does this mean you're taking your ball and going home? No. I am staying. I have a voice and I think I have valuable things to add to these discussions.  I also do not think that I in any  way treated any of the readers of this board as if they were children when I<strong> suggested that we all keep perspective about the OP of the original thread's position.</strong> (That being said, if you feel patronized, I apologize because it was not my intention at all).  I've been here far too long to give up after something like this =) 
    Posted by NOLAbridealmost[/QUOTE]

    That right there is what I'm talking about.  I'm a grown ass woman.  I don't need people to suggest to me how I should behave or respond to things, or assuming that they know what's going on in my head.  I don't appreciate it.  And even if you're right, the minute you start telling me what I should do (even by cloaking it in a "suggestion") Imma shut down to what you're saying.  
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Confused and Curious: NWR :<strong> Wait.  I don't think I can discuss this on this thread.  Something about the thread devolving to conversation and not being useful to other brides lurking on these boards.</strong>.. I'm OK.  I worked my last day on SAT, and now I'm officially on Maternity leave.  I'm ready for them to come - Docs won't let me go past 38 weeks (standard procedure w/ twins), so if they don't come this week, they will be evicted on Friday at 11:30 am.
    Posted by tidetravel[/QUOTE]

    Ha yeah, that's what I have been reading anyway.

    I am so glad they are going to term.  I know you had some contractions early on.

    My friend had her twins at 31 1/2 weeks and they are finally in the seven pound range 2 1/2 months later.  The longer they cook the better.  I hope everything goes very smooth for you and I will be thinking about you guys.
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  • Snippy is a biitch, y'all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And that's why we love her. Please note my excess punctuation.
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    [QUOTE]WTH are you talking about?? I never said that only "regs" attack "newbs" and that they're evil creatures from the bowels of hell. I'm just saying that the E board is notorious for newbs to be torn apart. That was part of the op's complaint too.
    Posted by DeadUtopia[/QUOTE]

    <div>
    </div><div>In Response to <a style="text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal;color:#1f1f1f;" href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_confused-curious-nwr?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:dadb89ef-6fe6-4a67-9e1b-7c1449686508Post:1c76530b-43db-4c3d-9537-cfad4668462b">Re: Confused and Curious: NWR</a>:
    [QUOTE] A lot of 'regulars' get too carried away with thinking that they are always the only ones 'in the know' and that anyone asking a 'newb' question is somehow below them. It is frustrating, but I do like how the poster on that thread that you're talking about chose to be the better person and ignore that comment completely whereas the commenter apparently shouldn't be posting on a E board if that's how their responses are, even though sarcasm and downright rudeness may be hard to decipher via comments.
    Posted by DeadUtopia[/QUOTE]</div><div>
    </div><div>Funny, but I find this contradictory.</div>
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  • E is like a dogfighting ring and SNIPPY IS MICHAEL VICK, Y'ALL.
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    If I wanted to hear the pitter-patter of little feet, I'd put shoes on the cat. image

  • LDYGTR13LDYGTR13 member
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    edited April 2011
    This one time, I had a nightmare that I was on project runway and snippy kept saying "you're out" - soul crushing, I tell ya. Biitch doesn't even live in Sweden! ETA: Out - not our, Dammit.
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