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FIL drama :(

My fiance and I are not having bridesmaids or groomsmen at our wedding, so we really wanted to involve our families as much as possible in our wedding/processional.  As such, we asked our dads and my brothers to wear suits to the wedding (preferably black, but we're flexible).  My dad and my brothers didn't have a problem with our request, but my fiance's dad is flat out refusing.  He says that we won't be any less married because he's not wearing a suit and thinks it's foolish that we would even make such a request.  He told my fiance that we need to reevaluate our "priorities" if what he wears to the wedding is so important to us.  He also has been telling my fiance that we should be spending our money on things other than the wedding.  Since his family isn't helping financially at all, I'm irritated that he's giving his opinion on the whole thing to begin with.  Overall, my fiance and I think his dad is being very disrespectful and we're not sure what to do.  We feel like his dad just doesn't care about our day and what it means to us.  The thought of looking back on our wedding photos 40 years from now and seeing his dad there in his casual clothes while the rest of us are dressed up makes us sad.

My fiance and I play by his family's rules when we're visiting at their house.  Since we're not married, his parents make us sleep in separate rooms.  I don't necessarily agree with their rules, but I respect them because it's their home.  All we want is for his family to play by our rules on our wedding day.  Is this too much to ask?  We really don't feel like we're being out of line.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fil-drama?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:11095457-3c21-424e-8db8-60079daf50d8Post:553cc25e-dd5f-48a6-8df1-fde04857ca77">FIL drama :(</a>:
    [QUOTE]My fiance and I are not having bridesmaids or groomsmen at our wedding, so we really wanted to involve our families as much as possible in our wedding/processional.  As such, <strong>we asked our dads and my brothers to wear suits to the wedding (preferably black, but we're flexible</strong>).  My dad and my brothers didn't have a problem with our request, but my fiance's dad is flat out refusing. <strong> He says that we won't be any less married because he's not wearing a suit and thinks it's foolish that we would even make such a request.</strong>  He told my fiance that we need to reevaluate our "priorities" if what he wears to the wedding is so important to us.  He also has been telling my fiance that we should be spending our money on things other than the wedding.  Since his family isn't helping financially at all, I'm irritated that he's giving his opinion on the whole thing to begin with.  <strong>Overall, my fiance and I think his dad is being very disrespectful and we're not sure what to do</strong>.  We feel like his dad just doesn't care about our day and what it means to us.  The thought of looking back on our wedding photos 40 years from now and seeing his dad there in his casual clothes while the rest of us are dressed up makes us sad. My fiance and I play by his family's rules when we're visiting at their house.  Since we're not married, his parents make us sleep in separate rooms.  I don't necessarily agree with their rules, but I respect them because it's their home.  All we want is for his family to play by our rules on our wedding day.  Is this too much to ask?  We really don't feel like we're being out of line.
    Posted by magicgirl91[/QUOTE]

    While I think your FFIL is perhaps being a little overly dramatic about it, I also firmly believe that he is 100% correct. You <strong>WILL</strong> be just as married at the end of the day regardless of what he wears, and unless he is a groomsman or bridesmaid (which he is not), you have no right to dictate what he wears.

    I guarantee that when you look back on your photos in 30 years, you won't be thinking: "Wow, FIL is really underdressed and our day was ruined!!!" You'll be thinking, "It was so great to have everyone there that we loved, and look at how involved and unified our families were!"

    Out of curiousity, does your FFIL own a suit currently?
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    We asked our families to be a part of our wedding and they agreed.  How is it any different from asking a friend to be a groomsman or a bridesmaid and asking that they wear specific clothing since they're a part of the wedding?  My FFIL doesn't currently own a suit and we actually offered to rent one for him if need be so he didn't have to spend the money on one.  The thing is, we're not feeling very loved and supported since he's made his opinion so well known about how stupid he thinks weddings are.  My family is being supportive but my fiance's dad is not at all.  I just think he should be willing to sacrifice a little bit for his son. 
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    Will he be standing up with your groom? If not, what difference does it make? He will only be in a few pictures. What does FMIL think about this? How casual are we talking here?
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    I appologize for the mobile post. I see both sides of the situation. A part of the processional is sort of a part of the wedding party in my book, which is probably why I have a 50 person invite list to the rehearsal/rehearsal dinner when I am having a 150 person wedding haha. If you asked him to be part of the processional and involved in the ceremony and he agreed, then you may have a bit more room for input, just dont be surprised if he backs out of involvement if you firce the issue. Maybe come to a compromise and ask if he can wear khakis and a sports coat or a suit during the ceremony and pics then whatever he is comfortable in at the reception. Make sure you offer to pay for a suit or rental of one if he doesn't have one. If you are the ones paying for the wedding I don't think he should be a deciding factor on how you spend your money, but he's probay just doing the dad thing and thinking practical. My mom said something to my dad recently about renting a suit for the wedding since he's walking me down the aisle and his eyes got wide and he asked "I have to wear a suit?! It's on the beach, I thought I was wearing shorts!" so he will probably end up with a suit but if he does choose his khaki shorts and sanuk shoes I think my day will still be perfect because I have him there. While i see why the suit issue bothers you, i think you will look back on your day and be happy both of your famies were there to celebrate regardless of what they wore. Best of luck to you!
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fil-drama?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:11095457-3c21-424e-8db8-60079daf50d8Post:a9dc3c30-b959-4ad5-9c69-3667e255d609">Re: FIL drama :(</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to FIL drama :( : While I think your FFIL is perhaps being a little overly dramatic about it, I also firmly believe that he is 100% correct. You WILL be just as married at the end of the day regardless of what he wears, and unless he is a groomsman or bridesmaid (which he is not), you have no right to dictate what he wears. I guarantee that when you look back on your photos in 30 years, you won't be thinking: "Wow, FIL is really underdressed and our day was ruined!!!" <strong>You'll be thinking, "It was so great to have everyone there that we loved, and look at how involved and unified our families were!"</strong> Out of curiousity, does your FFIL own a suit currently?
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    As a side note, our families haven't even met yet because my fiance and I live in one state while our families live in two different states.  We see my fiance's family way more than we see mine and they haven't been involved in the wedding at all.
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    The plan was for him to be a part of the processional and walk down the aisle with all of us.  My FMIL agrees with my fiance and I that my FFIL should wear a suit out of respect for us and our day.
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    Yes it is too much to ask. You can't tell your wedding guest's what to wear.
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    edited November 2012
    We really don't care what our guests wear to the wedding, but why is it too much to ask that the guys involved in the ceremony wear a suit?
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    i guess i disagree with most. i don't think it is asking too much for him to show some respect and dress decently. he isn't just a guess he is a de-facto member of the wedding party based on how you have described what you are doing. his comments are unkind and at best dismissive to disrespectful to you and FH. all that said, it does not sound like he cares how you or his son feel and will do as he wishes regardless. can you reach a compromise? would he agree to button down and some pressed khakies?
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    edited November 2012
    Seriously, this is NOT a hill to die on. Just let it go.

    My grandparents were involved in the processional (grandpa escorted grandma in and out, plus they were introduced at the reception along with the parents and wedding party). H and I offered to cover the cost of my grandfather's tux because all of the other "fathers" (my dad & stepdad, H's dad and granddad) were wearing tuxes. My grandpa declined because he is not comfortable in a tux.

    Guess what? When I look at my pictues, I don't think "Gee, I wish Papa had taken us up on the offer to get him a tux." You know what I see? My Papa beaming with pride that his oldest grandchild was getting married that day. And he looked smashing in what he decided to wear, largely because he was COMFORTABLE in it.
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    He has made it known that he doesn't like weddings and doesn't want to wear a suit. Do you think that maybe you and your FI can try to respect HIM instead of worrying about how he is disrespecting you? Let him wear what he wants. If everyone else is wearing a suit and he is in jeans and a tshirt, it will reflect poorly on him, not you. And in 30 years, when you look at your photos, you aren't going to care.
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    "We asked our families to be a part of our wedding and they agreed. How is it any different from asking a friend to be a groomsman or a bridesmaid and asking that they wear specific clothing since they're a part of the wedding?" It's the same in that just like a groomsman or a bridesmaid, they can say no to what you want them to wear. It's different because this is the groom's father. In general, you really shouldn't dictate how anyone dresses. I'm just saying... the parents along with grandparents are DEFINITELY off limits. If your FMIL agrees with you, let her decide if this is a battle worth fighting. Fianc, too. As far as his views on weddings go, please practice letting comments like that roll off your back. This FIL isn't alone. Plenty of people out there agree that money would be better spent elsewhere. Be grateful he's the only one ranting to you about this. I totally get that it sucks, considering he's family, but don't let it get to you.
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    You are not going to change him.

    I come from a long line of "you are just as married if you JOP, a wedding is a waste of money" line of relatives.  I am the only one to have a non JOP wedding in several generations.  I was given away by an uncle who raised me after I was orphaned as a child.  He wore a suit, everyone else was in  a tux.  My pics are still lovely.

    You will not change his mind on this so let it go.  You can't control what he wears and what he things about spending money on weddings.  You CAN control how you react.  You are overreacting here.

    I am a 3 time MOB.  I do NOT see parents processing into the wedding venue as something you can compare to a wedding party.  By that I mean parents get to choose what they wear and the parents are not filling any other roles in the wedding so this isn't your call.   Let it go, you will be so much happier when you do.

    He thinks weddings are a waste of money - so does my family.  I didn't let their opinions or attitudes affect how I felt about my wedding and neither should you.  You will feel more loved and respected if you quit concentrating on what he is wearing.  It is kinda shallow to think your wedding pics will look bad 40 years from now based on what he wears to your wedding.  Be glad he is there.  Many brides and grooms do not have a parent who is there, your FFIL will be and he won't be naked or wearing a dress that matches the BM's.  Those are hills to die on.


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    I completely understand your point of view on this. But, I have to agree with the ladies... let this one go. 

    You will never get him to compromise or change his mind/ views about weddings, etc. He is who he is, and that's your FI's father. Just leave it alone. In the grand scheme it will not ruin your day. 

    It may take some time for you and your FI to truly let go of the hurt feelings that his non-supportive attitude have caused, and that's normal. But it's true; this is not a hill to die on. Don't pay any attention to his attitude. Just plan your beautiful wedding day, enjoy it when it comes, and continue through your marriage making your own decisions and living the lifestyle you prefer. 

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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fil-drama?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:11095457-3c21-424e-8db8-60079daf50d8Post:537597cb-cae2-4d60-bb52-36bc3100b876">Re: FIL drama :(</a>:
    [QUOTE]I'll sympathize with you, in that I agree people should dress appropriately for the events they are attending. But when they don't, it is the individual improperly dressed that looks silly, not the host of the events. <strong>FFIL doesn't want to wear a suit, and you can't make him, so there is no use fighting about it</strong>. Maybe FMIL can make him do it since she is wife and the one he will be escorting, and maybe they will surprise you. FWIW, my FIL wears slippers everywhere, and I was sure he would wear them to the wedding. I was secretly worrying about it before the wedding, but the day of, I forgot to notice. I asked my H, and MIL made him wear real shoes. I'm glad I didn't say anything beforehand. As for the other comments he makes about the wedding, those are rude. <strong>You can politely ask him to keep those to himself, and you should limit the wedding talk in front of him</strong>, so he doesn't have opportunity to comment.
    Posted by Liatris2010[/QUOTE]

    You asked him to wear a suit, which is fine, and he declined, which is also fine. I totally agree with the bolded. He seems to be throwing a tantrum (reflecting poorly on him), but you are also on your way to one. You can't control FFIL, you asked he said no, done deal. Maybe FMIL can have some pull, put you are all done asking.

    I also second the bolded part about wedding talk. He is being disrepectful, so don't give more fuel to his fire.
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    This is NOT a hill worth dying on.

    Making someone wear something they don't want only makes them grumpy and uncomfortable.  It will reflect how they act on the day and how the photos turn out.


    My  DH hates to wear a sports coat/jacket.   Within 5 minutes in a jackets his pits are a waterfall.    It's ridiculous, but his shirts are literally soaked from wearing one.  It then makes him uncomfortable and grumpy.  Loads a fun to be around I tell you.   

    Seeing how he physically reacts to wearing a suit I have more sympathy for people.  It's not always just  "sucking it up"






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    While I do think it's odd that your FFIL would dress so casually for his own son's wedding, you don't get to tell him what to wear.

    It sounds like you need to pick your battles and this is one not worth fighting over.
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    Did you ever consider that maybe the reason your FFIL is acting the way he is, is because you are trying to dictate, to an adult, what he should wear to a wedding?

    Yes, he is throwing a bit of a tantrum about it and making it a much larger issue then it needs to be.  But he may be trying to make a point as well.  He is an adult and most likely knows how to dress appropriately for a wedding.  And when someone comes along and treats him as a child (which is what you did but stating what the family memebers should wear, even down to the color) he gets defensive.  I know you said that you respect their rules and them but really telling him what to wear is not very respectful.

    Like all other PP have mentioned.  Just let this die.  It really isn't worth the fight and fallout that could come from it.  It is just clothing.  No matter what he wears you and your FI will be married and really that is all that matters.  The more you push this topic the more chance you have of him either not coming at all or showing up in something completely ridiculous just to spite you (which is pretty immature itself).


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    I think that you and your FI should let this go.  Since FMIL agrees with you that FFIL should be wearing a suit, let her try to convince FFIL about the suit and stay out of it.
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    Sounds to me like you have to let it go. You told him what you'd like him to wear, you told him how his dismissal of that makes you feel, there's really nothing else you can say.

    Maybe he'll come around on his own, maybe your FMIL will get through to him, but if not and he shows up in casual clothes (whatever that means) when everyone else is dressed up then it will reflect poorly on him and not you guys.
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    I, too, would be disappointed if this were happening to me. However, it really is one of those things you need to just let go. Feeling a little unhappy about it and making a big deal of it are two different things, and only one of them is going to work out for you. Making a big deal of it just continues to add fuel to the fire, cause resentment, etc. It is quite possible that if you just let it go, your FIL may eventually come around. 
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    we always tell MOB's and MOG's to wear what makes them comfortable, etc.  i dotn see why this would be any different for the FOB's and FOG's.

    you probably wont even look at your wedding album after the first time you get it - most pack it away and maybe pull it out on an anniversary.  i highly doubt you will feel "sad" when you see your FIL's attire in the photos.
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    We have two people in our wedding party, one of whom is FI's sister, so we really wanted our parents and my grandfather (our only living grandparent) to walk down the aisle too.  Both our dads made it known they wanted to wear tuxes and we could pick them out.  We brought my dad shopping (he's local) and he picked one out for both of them.  My grandfather is wearing whatever he wants to.  I can guarantee it won't be anything less than a suit, but he will, in no way, match the other men in the WP and that's fine.

    If your FI dresses casually and looks out of place in your WP, he will look bad, not you.  Like PPs have said, this is not something to have a fight about.  Let it go.

    I agree with Calypso, that if MOG and MOBs can wear what they want, so can the dads.  My FMIL is going to wear a sari and my mom is going to wear a red gown, none of which match my wedding colors or style, but it doesn't matter at all.

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    Hey AddieL73

    Would you mind giving me the location of the picture in your signature. It looks like an AAAHHHMAzing place for a wedding!! 
     

    OP- I have to agree with all the PP this is not a hill worth dying on I barely remember who was present at my 1st wedding much less what they wore. I know FFIL may be in some of the pictures but have faith in your FMIL particularly if she has expressed that she wants FFIL in a suit at the wedding. Let her and FI handle this issue, no good can come of you trying to talk to FFIL about this....
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    edited November 2012
    Good relationships with people in your family trumps a stupid piece of clothn ing. Every time. No question. If it doesn't for you, you need to honestley re evaluate priorities. You won't even be hanging these photos in your home. Those will be of you and the groom. Who cares if a box in your closet has a picture of a suit instead of a tux?
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    I definitely wouldn't worry about it. Plus, you said it will look funny in pictures? Is he really going to be in every picture? I doubt it. That said, just let it go.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fil-drama?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:11095457-3c21-424e-8db8-60079daf50d8Post:553cc25e-dd5f-48a6-8df1-fde04857ca77">FIL drama :(</a>:
    [QUOTE]My fiance and I are not having bridesmaids or groomsmen at our wedding, so we really wanted to involve our families as much as possible in our wedding/processional.  As such, we asked our dads and my brothers to wear suits to the wedding (preferably black, but we're flexible).  My dad and my brothers didn't have a problem with our request, but my fiance's dad is flat out refusing.  He says that we won't be any less married because he's not wearing a suit and thinks it's foolish that we would even make such a request.  He told my fiance that we need to reevaluate our "priorities" if what he wears to the wedding is so important to us.  He also has been telling my fiance that we should be spending our money on things other than the wedding.  Since his family isn't helping financially at all, I'm irritated that he's giving his opinion on the whole thing to begin with.  Overall, my fiance and I think his dad is being very disrespectful and we're not sure what to do.  We feel like his dad just doesn't care about our day and what it means to us.  <strong>The thought of looking back on our wedding photos 40 years from now and seeing his dad there in his casual clothes while the rest of us are dressed up makes us sad</strong>. My fiance and I play by his family's rules when we're visiting at their house.  Since we're not married, his parents make us sleep in separate rooms.  I don't necessarily agree with their rules, but I respect them because it's their home.  All we want is for his family to play by our rules on our wedding day.  Is this too much to ask?  We really don't feel like we're being out of line.
    Posted by magicgirl91[/QUOTE]

    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;">What’s wrong with him wearing casual clothes if it’s who he is? You don’t have a WP therefore you don’t get to dictate what ANYBODY wears. The bolded part irritates ME. <span> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;">My dad is not a suit man either. He wore jeans and a button down shirt. Guess what, it wasn’t a big deal. He was so happy waiting for me down the aisle.
    </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;">
    </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;">Seriously, just let it go. I don’t even think your FFIL was rude AT ALL. They’re just not fond of weddings, probably why they didn’t contribute to it and there’s nothing wrong with that.
    </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;">The last part is irrelevant, their traditions and formalities have nothing to do with your wedding. it's not the same thing. there's no tradition that says families need to dress the same.
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    [QUOTE]Hey AddieL73 Would you mind giving me the location of the picture in your signature. It looks like an AAAHHHMAzing place for a wedding!!    
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    <div>Canyon Springs Golf Club in San Antonio, TX.  And thanks!</div>
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    edited November 2012
    I've been using my day off to goof off and sew, so sorry I didn't say this sooner: thanks, Stage! I thought that was really perfect for this thread.
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