Can you believe this??

JenGin74 · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : If grants even came close to covering the entire cost of college, then yes. But my grants for my undergrad didn't, so I took loans out. Same for my post grad. <u><em><strong>And despite the belief here that birth control fails</strong></em></u>, I am 31 and still never, ever pregnant. Sexually active since I was 19. It's called being accountable for your actions.
Posted by jojobrn[/QUOTE]

It's not a belief. It's a statistical fact

jojobrn · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : It's not a belief. It's a statistical fact
Posted by JenGin74[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>Yes, yes it is, most of the time due to user error. But when used correctly, every single act of intercourse, most birth control (excluding condoms)is close to 99% effective. And most of the time it fails, it is user error. Don't blame the birth control for your choice to have sex.

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vegasgroom · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : But doesn't that kind of contradict the thought that higher education is a privilege and not a right?
Posted by JenGin74[/QUOTE]

The big difference there are that grants are given to people who have a high statistical chance of not only being successful in higher education, but going on to give far more back to society than the cost of the grant; e.g. take a smart kid with good effort and motivation but who (ironic this is topical to the thread) is one of nine living on welfare in housing projects, give him or her college, they're very likely to complete it successfully, become a valuable contributor to society, give back and who knows, maybe help the relatives get off welfare.

As opposed to just give anyone who got pregnant money so they can finish school in the hope that they do.

JenGin74 · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : No, it contradicts the idea that having money is the prerequisite for that priviledge. MissCourtney could have totally gone to college, using some of those grants as a matter of fact, AFTER her kids were older and she was able to afford it. She also could have gone to school part time and worked full time instead of vice versa. I'm not saying she didn't deserve to go to school. I'm just saying that she did not deserve to take those resources away from other parents who were doing absolutely everything in their power to feed and clothe their kids and still coming up short just because she "wanted to finish school".
Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

I see what you're saying, I really do. Welfare isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Personally, I'd rather have people like Courtney use it to get an education and then get off welfare rather than those that stay on welfare and don't try to better themselves because it's easy to just sit at home and collect free money

JenGin74 · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : Yes, yes it is, most of the time due to user error. But when used correctly, every single act of intercourse, most birth control (excluding condoms)is close to 99% effective. And most of the time it fails, it is user error. Don't blame the birth control for your choice to have sex.
Posted by jojobrn[/QUOTE]

Interesting fact: Did you know there have been documented cases of women getting pregnant when there was no penetration?

Also, when you say " your choice to have sex", I assume you mean your in general, not me individually, right?

btrflykate1230 · September 2010

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[QUOTE]Sorry, but I'm with VegasGroom on the welfare thing. I think when you are working full time, or working whatever you can and pursuing full-time work and can't make ends meet, that's one thing.<strong> But higher education is a PRIVILEDGE not a RIGHT, and certainly not a necessity</strong>. <strong>Misscourtney said herself that she could have been working full time and likely supporting her own family, but she chose not to. That is NOT what the system is designed for. That is abuse of the system.</strong>
Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Without higher education she probably would not be able to be employed like she is now. More good paying jobs than not require a college education. The government offers grants and loans to people so they can have access to higher education, which is further proof that the goverment thinks EVERYONE should have access to higher education.

Would you prefer that misscourtney stay in a low-paying job and work pay check to pay check?

JenGin74 · September 2010

Also, this is off topic, but along the same lines ---

It bothers me that prisoners can get a free college education.

jojobrn · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : Interesting fact: Did you know there have been documented cases of women getting pregnant when there was no penetration? Also, when you say " your choice to have sex", I assume you mean your in general, not me individually, right?
Posted by JenGin74[/QUOTE]

<div>Yes, I meant in general. </div><div>And yes, I know pregnancy can happen without penetration. It isn't the penis causing it but the sperm and they swim. This whole women's health/pregnancy topic is kinda what I do for a living.</div><div>
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katiewhompus · September 2010

Jeez Jen, why are you all having sex and junk like you're a married adult.

I don't think higher education should be a right, but I also don't think it's a good fit for all people. I wish that high schools would be restructured so that 18 year olds could go out into the world and actually know wtf they were doing. Give them classes in banking, finances, family planning, job hunting, etc.

H is a prime example. He went to college because it's what you did. He dicked around for 3 years and finally dropped out (partly for family reasons, partly because he was failing). When he joined the Marines he shot to the top of his class instantly and excelled.

JenGin74 · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : Yes, I meant in general. And yes, I know pregnancy can happen without penetration. It isn't the penis causing it<strong> <u><em>but the sperm and they swim</em></u>.</strong> This whole women's health/pregnancy topic is kinda what I do for a living.
Posted by jojobrn[/QUOTE]

<img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-surprised.gif" border="0" alt="Surprised" title="Surprised" /> They do? Why didn't anyone ever tell me? :P

vegasgroom · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : I see what you're saying, I really do. Welfare isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Personally, I'd rather have people like Courtney use it to get an education and then get off welfare rather than those that stay on welfare and don't try to better themselves because it's easy to just sit at home and collect free money
Posted by JenGin74[/QUOTE]

Problem of course is more people who take the money won't finish school than those who would; I think its better off just forcing people to live with their choices and earmark (my political word of the day) that money to grants for people who are statistically likely to excel in higher education. I think tax money is better spent on people who have the highest chance of dramatically bettering their lives (scholarships for the poor) and the lives of others than on those who may or may not use it to their advantage (welfare for 3+ years hoping the person finishes school). Courtney is to be commended that she did what she set out to do, but a large percentage would not, meaning someone else who probably would have done well with a scholarship didn't get one.

vegasgroom · September 2010

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[QUOTE]Also, this is off topic, but along the same lines --- It bothers me that prisoners can get a free college education.
Posted by JenGin74[/QUOTE]

That one I think comes down to statistics; there are probably numbers out there that show that sending them back into society after serving their sentence with a degree results in X chance of them coming back, where no degree is Y chance of coming back, and the cost of the college education is less than the cost of housing the percentage that comes back.

I do like prisons that make you work though; if you're in jail, you should have four things comprise your day; sleep, eat, work, school, forget recreation, tv's, letter writing time, etc.

kd.joseph · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : But they have no arms! They'll sink!
Posted by JenGin74[/QUOTE]

HeHe! This gave me belly laughs!

Vegas-what are we drinking?!

katiewhompus · September 2010

What about little life rings then? That might work...

vegasgroom · September 2010

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[QUOTE]Jeez Jen, why are you all having sex and junk like you're a married adult. I don't think higher education should be a right, but I also don't think it's a good fit for all people. I wish that high schools would be restructured so that 18 year olds could go out into the world and actually know wtf they were doing. Give them classes in banking, finances, family planning, job hunting, etc. H is a prime example. He went to college because it's what you did. He dicked around for 3 years and finally dropped out (partly for family reasons, partly because he was failing). When he joined the Marines he shot to the top of his class instantly and excelled.
Posted by katiewhompus[/QUOTE]

My FI is an MD; I have no idea how she does that or how she dealt with eight years of college and four more of residency, but the funny thing is that if you ask her about financial stuff, try to explain mortgage interest and amortization, or several other things many of us probably take for granted.... no idea lol.

vegasgroom · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : HeHe! This gave me belly laughs! Vegas-what are we drinking?!
Posted by kd.joseph[/QUOTE]

I'm good at mojitos and patron margaritas, anything else and you're likely to ask wtf is that lol.

JenGin74 · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : Oh, wait, sorry....lol. Is that better?
Posted by jojobrn[/QUOTE]

Much better. Thanks

kd.joseph · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : I'm good at mojitos and patron margaritas, anything else and you're likely to ask wtf is that lol.
Posted by vegasgroom[/QUOTE]

Moijitos my favorite! You have won my heart now.

katiewhompus · September 2010

Mmm Mohitos...

My latest vent is that we need to teach a high school course on "how to fill out forms". We have a form that has 6 parts
Student name
Student ID
Student Signature
Parent Name
Parent Signature
Date

86 people could not complete that form in entirety. Most of the kids said "Oh I didn't read the whole thing". Seriously? Whole thing? It's 6 lines long!

maratea · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : Oh, wait, sorry....lol. Is that better?
Posted by jojobrn[/QUOTE]

I think someone needs a drink. Also your kitty is cute.

vegasgroom · September 2010

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[QUOTE]Mmm Mohitos... My latest vent is that we need to teach a high school course on "how to fill out forms". We have a form that has 6 parts Student name Student ID Student Signature Parent Name Parent Signature Date 86 people could not complete that form in entirety. Most of the kids said "Oh I didn't read the whole thing". Seriously? Whole thing? It's 6 lines long!
Posted by katiewhompus[/QUOTE]

When customers open an account with my company, we send them an email that has a PDF attachment with everything they need, the email says here's how to contact support, all of your account information is in the attached file. About 20% of our new customers call and ask when they're getting their account info; the email has two paragraphs of about three sentences each in it and they couldn't even make it past the first one to the one that says open the attachment.... wtf

kd.joseph · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : When customers open an account with my company, we send them an email that has a PDF attachment with everything they need, the email says here's how to contact support, all of your account information is in the attached file. About 20% of our new customers call and ask when they're getting their account info; the email has two paragraphs of about three sentences each in it and they couldn't even make it past the first one to the one that says open the attachment.... wtf
Posted by vegasgroom[/QUOTE]

You expect people to read Vegas? How dare you!

kd.joseph · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : One of our teachers said that the other day when I asked if she received the email about how to log into a new software "What? You expect us to read emails?" Yep, she taught English. I hate 99% of our English teachers.
Posted by katiewhompus[/QUOTE]

We send out memos to the tenants all the time, and within the week someone is calling to ask me a question that was answered if you'd read the fricken memo.

Or we send out a memo for something that requires a RSVP. Inevitably I have to make calls for the RSVPs that haven't responded. The conversation goes something like this:

Me:This is so and so, Can I speak to the manager?

Tenant: I'm one of the managers.

Me: I need to know if you're coming to such & such on this date.

Tenant: I didnt know about that, you'll need to speak to the manager.

Duh! I just know it's some 17 yr old they've given a manager title to that doesn't know his a$$ from a hole in the ground.

[Deleted User] · September 2010

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[QUOTE]Sorry, but I'm with VegasGroom on the welfare thing. I think when you are working full time, or working whatever you can and pursuing full-time work and can't make ends meet, that's one thing. But higher education is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT, and certainly not a necessity. Misscourtney said herself that she could have been working full time and likely supporting her own family, but she chose not to. That is NOT what the system is designed for. That is abuse of the system.
Posted by StageManager14[/QUOTE]

You guys are probably on to some other topic by now, but I 100% agree with this.

katiewhompus · September 2010

I feel like I'm now confused on the welfare thing. How do you (collective you, not Courtney you) receive welfare if you have a job, are living with your parent(s), and going to school to full time? And yet not be receiving cash from the govt?

maratea · September 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can you believe this?? : You guys are probably on to some other topic by now, but I 100% agree with this.
Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]
It seems, for once, we haven't moved to sex or poop talk. But now that you're here...

JenGin74 · September 2010

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[QUOTE]I feel like I'm now confused on the welfare thing. How do you (collective you, not Courtney you) receive welfare if you have a job, are living with your parent(s), and going to school to full time? And yet not be receiving cash from the govt?
Posted by katiewhompus[/QUOTE]

I think there are different levels of benefits. Someone correct me if I'm wrong

kd.joseph · September 2010

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[QUOTE]I feel like I'm now confused on the welfare thing. How do you (collective you, not Courtney you) receive welfare if you have a job, are living with your parent(s), and going to school to full time? And yet not be receiving cash from the govt?
Posted by katiewhompus[/QUOTE]

As for myself I got help with childcare while I worked. And my son was covered for medical. That was it, I didnt get money.

maratea · September 2010

When I worked at a liquor store, one of my coworkers was complaining because she had been scheduled for more than 19 hours in a week, and if she wanted to keep her welfare, she had to be 19 hours or under, and she proceeded to tell the boss this. I don't know how she didn't get fired. I almost punched her in the face for that.

ETA: But her baby daddy had a really high paying job and so she was rolling in a brand new Escalade. But they weren't married, so his income didn't affect her and she got gov't assistance even though she was living pretty high.

Does it vary from state to state?

MISSCOURTNEY20 · September 2010

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[QUOTE]I feel like I'm now confused on the welfare thing. How do you (collective you, not Courtney you) receive welfare if you have a job, are living with your parent(s), and going to school to full time? And yet not be receiving cash from the govt?
Posted by katiewhompus[/QUOTE]

I received a medical card and food stamps only. Because I WAS living with my mom, I couldn't get cash.

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