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RamonaFlowers · May 2013

Peledreamsofrain said:

I've just never understood mocking people who try to make a positive change when you aren't willing to work for it yourself. I don't understand it in politics, and I don't understand it in regular life.

Well, Pele, some posters want everybody that doesn't think they are the absolute bees knees to just go away. If they mock us enough and tell us how little our opinions matter, surely we'll scurry off to PB or something and they'll finally be crowned queen of TK.

I'm pretty sure the only reason why people like that are hanging around is because they think they'll finally get to feel some kind of vindication for all of the "cruelty" they've had to endure by not having their bratty behavior validated by regs.

allychase · May 2013

RamonaFlowers said:

Peledreamsofrain said:

I've just never understood mocking people who try to make a positive change when you aren't willing to work for it yourself. I don't understand it in politics, and I don't understand it in regular life.

Well, Pele, some posters want everybody that doesn't think they are the absolute bees knees to just go away. If they mock us enough and tell us how little our opinions matter, surely we'll scurry off to PB or something and they'll finally be crowned queen of TK.

I'm pretty sure the only reason why people like that are hanging around is because they think they'll finally get to feel some kind of vindication for all of the "cruelty" they've had to endure by not having their bratty behavior validated by regs.

If this is directed towards me feel free to use the new @ feature.

RamonaFlowers · May 2013

allychase said:

Peledreamsofrain said:

I've just never understood mocking people who try to make a positive change when you aren't willing to work for it yourself. I don't understand it in politics, and I don't understand it in regular life.

Well, Pele, some posters want everybody that doesn't think they are the absolute bees knees to just go away. If they mock us enough and tell us how little our opinions matter, surely we'll scurry off to PB or something and they'll finally be crowned queen of TK.

I'm pretty sure the only reason why people like that are hanging around is because they think they'll finally get to feel some kind of vindication for all of the "cruelty" they've had to endure by not having their bratty behavior validated by regs.
If this is directed towards me feel free to use the new @ feature.

allychase · May 2013

It's cute that you posted a vague statement describing your opinion of me on a post where the main idea of everyone's response is to scold the OP for beating around the bush instead of directly calling out who she was referring to. Just keep throwing your temper tantrums, I'm sure you'll get what you want from TK Gods.

MuppetFan · May 2013

HobokenBride2012 said:

Sorry but I do think mods were entitled to more than a PM and 15 minutes notice that we were being removed. Just sayin...

And you never got the PM.... heh. I agree with this. I think if they take more time on this, they will realize it isn't the appropriate solution to the issues at hand.

RamonaFlowers · May 2013

If I get confirmation from the Knot Gods that I'm allowed to flat out say "I don't like you" to someone and not get banned, then we'll talk.

MuppetFan · May 2013

"I don't like you" is definitely not a personal attack.

HobokensFury · May 2013

MuppetFan said:

HobokenBride2012 said:

Sorry but I do think mods were entitled to more than a PM and 15 minutes notice that we were being removed. Just sayin...

And you never got the PM.... heh. I agree with this. I think if they take more time on this, they will realize it isn't the appropriate solution to the issues at hand.

Nope, apparently they forgot me on the list. I read it on the mod board and commented on it. It was removed like 5 minutes later.

RamonaFlowers · May 2013

MuppetFan said:

"I don't like you" is definitely not a personal attack.

I'd like to believe this ... except there are people that totally get a bug up their butt about not being liked.

And thusfar, the Knot Gods have been anti "things that gets bugs up whiney beebee's butts" regardless of how stupid the "offense" is.

thejucheidea · May 2013

allychase · May 2013

RamonaFlowers said:

MuppetFan said:

"I don't like you" is definitely not a personal attack.

I'd like to believe this ... except there are people that totally get a bug up their butt about not being liked.

And thusfar, the Knot Gods have been anti "things that gets bugs up whiney beebee's butts" regardless of how stupid the "offense" is.

Good thing for you I really don't give a shit what you think of me, I have no idea who you are.

My favorite is when people avoid good points others make and shoot right to "I don't like you wahhhh" mature award is yours tonight.

MuppetFan · May 2013

RamonaFlowers said:

MuppetFan said:

"I don't like you" is definitely not a personal attack.

I'd like to believe this ... except there are people that totally get a bug up their butt about not being liked.

And thusfar, the Knot Gods have been anti "things that gets bugs up whiney beebee's butts" regardless of how stupid the "offense" is.

I initially wanted to refute this, but then I thought about anonymizing "love its" because someone complained. Update: Poll is 97% In Favor of Showing to 2% Not in Favor. Hey, they are missing a percentage point in that calculation....

RamonaFlowers · May 2013

StageManager14 said:

MuppetFan said:

"I don't like you" is definitely not a personal attack.

I'd like to believe this ... except there are people that totally get a bug up their butt about not being liked.

And thusfar, the Knot Gods have been anti "things that gets bugs up whiney beebee's butts" regardless of how stupid the "offense" is.
Good thing for you I really don't give a shit what you think of me, I have no idea who you are. My favorite is when people avoid good points others make and shoot right to "I don't like you wahhhh" mature award is yours tonight.
Apparently, I missed the "good points" you made?

Stage, watch it. Implying that somebody hasn't been making good points (Or that they've just done nothing in this thread but insult the people that want what is broken to actually be fixed) could very well be considered a personal attack.

MuppetFan · May 2013

@Retreadbride I hate using the words "passive-aggressive" but your comment about women's intelligence is making me feel very defensive for any of the women on this board that you're applying that to. We can disagree with peoples opinions, actions, approaches, attitudes etc... but I honestly believe the regs on this board are very smart.

HappyPanda85 · May 2013

MuppetFan said:

@Retreadbride I hate using the words "passive-aggressive" but your comment about women's intelligence is making me feel very defensive for any of the women on this board that you're applying that to. We can disagree with peoples opinions, actions, approaches, attitudes etc... but I honestly believe the regs on this board are very smart.

I can agree with this. I wouldn't make an argument if I thought any of you as being dumb. It can be viewed as "stirring up shit", if you'd like. But, my original post was intended(in my mind) to start a discussion on how we treat the KG's when wanting "answers", discussion, change, etc..

Maybe my approach was "passive-aggressive", although, that too was not my intent. Being somewhat a "newb", the last thing I wanted was to drop names while still addressing a concern about the attitude, hence my generalizations. Also, discussion about the subject matter is taking place.

I see both sides of it. I understand the frustration, and I understand the mentality of fighting for something that you're passionate about. But, as adults, can we really expect to get things accomplished by kicking and screaming?

allychase · May 2013

StageManager14 said:

allychase said:

RamonaFlowers said:

MuppetFan said:

"I don't like you" is definitely not a personal attack.

I'd like to believe this ... except there are people that totally get a bug up their butt about not being liked.

And thusfar, the Knot Gods have been anti "things that gets bugs up whiney beebee's butts" regardless of how stupid the "offense" is.
Good thing for you I really don't give a shit what you think of me, I have no idea who you are.

My favorite is when people avoid good points others make and shoot right to "I don't like you wahhhh" mature award is yours tonight.

Apparently, I missed the "good points" you made?

See: what I said above about how acting like a child throwing temper tantrums and threatening to leave and TK will lose lots of money is ridiculous.

When you're biased to immediately dislike a statement because of the person who it's coming from its easy to miss things.

allychase · May 2013

Also since when is it considered an insult to point out the fact that throwing a tantrum won't solve things? I'm sorry Ramona care to elaborate?

MoonlightSilver · May 2013

RetreadBride said:

Some women are spoiled and think they can get what they want by being obnoxious. When they don't, they attempt to get the other person/people to cave by either bulling or by saying it louder and making demands.

Not everyone is impressed, or intimidated, by this. The Knot wasn't, and neither are most of the members.

It will blow over.

This is why I dislike most women, as a general rule. They either have a Peter Pan complex or perhaps they just plain aren't that smart.

So why are you on a board that caters mostly to women if you dislike most women and think we're all really dumb, @RetreadBride? I come back to TK each day because I like the women here and I think they're smart and funny. Why do you come back each day?

AddieCake · May 2013

HappyPanda85 said:

It can be viewed as "stirring up shit", if you'd like. But, my original post was intended(in my mind) to start a discussion on how we treat the KG's when wanting "answers", discussion, change, etc..

I see both sides of it. I understand the frustration, and I understand the mentality of fighting for something that you're passionate about. But, as adults, can we really expect to get things accomplished by kicking and screaming?

It definitely seems like stirring up shit to me. I forever and always feel that's what these posts do. I see what you're trying to do, but I don't see it working out well for you.

And I repeat: I hate when people think I'm stupid.

RamonaFlowers · May 2013

I think it's cute that everybody being annoyed is somehow considered throwing a "temper tantrum". Again, people have been trying to have grown-up discussions with the powers that be about what is wrong and needs to be worked on for 2 months now. I'm thinking after 8 weeks of being told "Yes, we're working on x, y, z, and we want to keep the forum members happy, because we know active boards are a benefit to the website" and then turning around and making up imaginary TOS rules, blatantly taking away features the majority publicly said that they liked, and then hiding behind "Well, we received 2 PMs, and we have to cater to those people, regardless of what the 99% have to say on the matter" that people are apt to get a tad miffed.

I've seen people throw "temper tantrums" and start "kicking and screaming" online. This doesn't even come close. Did I flat out say "ZOMG, TK, YOU'LL LOSE A BAZILLION DOLLARS IMMEDIATELY IF EVERYBODY THAT I LIKE LEAVES!!!!!"? Pretty sure I didn't. My main point is that forum traffic most certainly does have an effect on how profitable a website is. If the boards are dead, it doesn't matter how many overpriced monogrammed cocktail napkins get ordered, it will take its toll. People that are looking for a wedding planning forum aren't going to stay long in a ghost town, when Wedding Bee/Wedding Wire are just a click away and chock full of active posters.

You can say that "people care more about wedding planning than playing house" as an excuse for TN, but the fact is, the boards were busy over there. Busy enough that when everybody jumped ship, it had a negative impact on the site's stock market value literally overnight. A year later, they are now offering to pay people to be a focus group to fix the same problems the members also took the time to address (And got ignored) for free before they left. You really don't think forum traffic matters to a website that much?

I don't delude myself into thinking TK will go out of business or something if the boards go dead because the majority of the members decide to go someplace else. However, it will have a negative effect. And I just can't comprehend why any proper business would want to follow any course of action that would cost them even a penny. I was under the impression that a business would be doing everything in their power to make as much money as possible. The Knot Gods are being told what the people want. Ignoring that may not be the nail in the coffin ... but it seriously can't be doing them any favors either.

RamonaFlowers · May 2013

Also, @allychase, please tell me exactly when I said accusing somebody of throwing a temper tantrum was an insult?

Because if that were the case, then I've been "insulting" you for several months now. And we all know my feelings on violating TOS, so clearly, that's not how I feel on the matter.

MuppetFan · May 2013

HappyPanda85 said:

MuppetFan said:

@Retreadbride I hate using the words "passive-aggressive" but your comment about women's intelligence is making me feel very defensive for any of the women on this board that you're applying that to. We can disagree with peoples opinions, actions, approaches, attitudes etc... but I honestly believe the regs on this board are very smart.

I can agree with this. I wouldn't make an argument if I thought any of you as being dumb. It can be viewed as "stirring up shit", if you'd like. But, my original post was intended(in my mind) to start a discussion on how we treat the KG's when wanting "answers", discussion, change, etc..

Maybe my approach was "passive-aggressive", although, that too was not my intent. Being somewhat a "newb", the last thing I wanted was to drop names while still addressing a concern about the attitude, hence my generalizations. Also, discussion about the subject matter is taking place.

I see both sides of it. I understand the frustration, and I understand the mentality of fighting for something that you're passionate about. But, as adults, can we really expect to get things accomplished by kicking and screaming?

If that wasn't your goal, then a better approach may have been to say something like, "I feel like we can accomplish our goals by being calmer and more patient with TK Gods. It must be tough to be on the receiving end of this. I know it would make me feel defensive."

And maybe offer a possible solution or a different approach like "Since communication is a big issue for us, what if we gave a list of concerns and suggest a date or ask for a date they can give us an update on them? or What if we ask them to bounce off us more before making sweeping actions?"

Edited for clarity

allychase · May 2013

StageManager14 said:

@allychase, Ramona did reply to those points. Regardless of who is "right" or "wrong", she gave point by point counters. I didn't miss that point, in fact, I also commented on it myself. I missed the "good points" that Ramona supposedly ignored rather than replying to.

Ok here you go, THIS was Ramona's first post after what I said, NOT directed at me btw so how that is a "point by point counter" to my argument is beyond me:

"I would also like to point out that TN is currently offering to PAY users if they go to their corporate office next week and give them feedback on improving the TN forums. Because apparently, after a year they seem to have realized that dead boards aren't doing them any favors. Knot Gods take note: The users have been telling you for almost 2 solid months now what needs to be done to keep people on the site and the boards active. For free. The users are only going to put up with this crap for so much longer before "Hey, you know where we don't have to deal with this shit? ProBoards. Let's go" happens (Hell, it already did happen once with the E and SB regs). A year from now when the boards are dead and you can't for the life of you to figure out why the traffic is still down from the inevitable defection, it's going to take a lot more than $50 to get people to head down to HQ to tell you what they hate about this place ... if there's even anybody left at that point."

All she did was talk about the lack of activity on TN, which I already pointed out as known to be not NEARLY as known of and profitable. If the boards were the only thing TN had going for it, and they all left, well then yeah their site is going to hurt. My POINT was that TK has a billion other things going for it and the lack of activity from a handful of posters who think they are the end all be all of the boards is NOT going to cripple the site.

Ramona THEN resorted to the vague snarky comments about me, which isn't surprising given her type of personality resorts directly to name calling instead of having an adult conversation when someone else makes a good point. But what else is new. So if I missed the adult argument she gave in there please copy and paste for me.

You all need to do yourself a favor and accept the fact that TK Gods DON'T GIVE A SHIT what you want and are going to do what they want regardless. Then perhaps the boards can go back to being about the topics intended instead of a new post every hour about how so and so didn't do what you wanted or what they said they would do.

MuppetFan · May 2013

I'm not one of those "people".

Peledreamsofrain · May 2013

allychase said:

StageManager14 said:

@allychase, Ramona did reply to those points. Regardless of who is "right" or "wrong", she gave point by point counters. I didn't miss that point, in fact, I also commented on it myself. I missed the "good points" that Ramona supposedly ignored rather than replying to.

Ok here you go, THIS was Ramona's first post after what I said, NOT directed at me btw so how that is a "point by point counter" to my argument is beyond me:

"I would also like to point out that TN is currently offering to PAY users if they go to their corporate office next week and give them feedback on improving the TN forums. Because apparently, after a year they seem to have realized that dead boards aren't doing them any favors. Knot Gods take note: The users have been telling you for almost 2 solid months now what needs to be done to keep people on the site and the boards active. For free. The users are only going to put up with this crap for so much longer before "Hey, you know where we don't have to deal with this shit? ProBoards. Let's go" happens (Hell, it already did happen once with the E and SB regs). A year from now when the boards are dead and you can't for the life of you to figure out why the traffic is still down from the inevitable defection, it's going to take a lot more than $50 to get people to head down to HQ to tell you what they hate about this place ... if there's even anybody left at that point."

All she did was talk about the lack of activity on TN, which I already pointed out as known to be not NEARLY as known of and profitable. If the boards were the only thing TN had going for it, and they all left, well then yeah their site is going to hurt. My POINT was that TK has a billion other things going for it and the lack of activity from a handful of posters who think they are the end all be all of the boards is NOT going to cripple the site.
Ramona THEN resorted to the vague snarky comments about me, which isn't surprising given her type of personality resorts directly to name calling instead of having an adult conversation when someone else makes a good point. But what else is new. So if I missed the adult argument she gave in there please copy and paste for me.
You all need to do yourself a favor and accept the fact that TK Gods DON'T GIVE A SHIT what you want and are going to do what they want regardless. Then perhaps the boards can go back to being about the topics intended instead of a new post every hour about how so and so didn't do what you wanted or what they said they would do.

I'm seriously scratching my head over why you give a shit that we give a shit that they don't give a shit about stuff you say you don't give a shit about.

Like, pages and pages of typing about how we shouldn't give a shit, and that you don't give a shit, but you clearly do give a shit, and there is a lot of shit getting thrown around over stupid shit.

So confusing

MuppetFan · May 2013

I 'loved" your post too Pele

Peledreamsofrain · May 2013

haha, thanks guys. Right back atcha.

AJuliaNJ · May 2013

@RamonaFlowers, where did you get that Jon Snow gif? Is there a video somewhere with that girl?

J&K10910 · May 2013

RetreadBride said:

People misuse the phrases passive-aggressive, OCD and anal-retentive like crazy. I don't think most of them really know what those conditions are.

What condition, exactly, IS passive-aggressive, then?

RamonaFlowers · May 2013

It's from this podcast I follow "Hey, Ash, Whatcha Playin'?"

Here's a link to the video my gif was taken from:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwgPBWQS6kM

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