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What is acceptable to plan 3 years after a rushed courthouse wedding?

Hi there, I need some ideas and honest but kind advice. But I'd like to provide a little background first. I appologize in advance for the length, I just want it to be clear where we're coming from.

My husband is a disabled veteran whose wife heartlessly left him as soon as she found out he had gotten severely wounded while he was deployed in Iraq (actually she had already been having an affair on him, but him getting injured sent her officially packing). Needless to say that ended in divorce. I met him after he spent months recovering (actually miraculously well, many thought he would never walk or function anywhere close to normal again) and had finally been medically discharged from the Army and had moved back to his home town where I'm from, and we met at church. He was still in the process of his divorce which was being dragged out rediculously long, but we quickly knew we were meant for each other.

I'm embarrassed to say even though I grew up Christian and he credited his recent turning to God for saving his life, we messed up and I got pregnant only a few months after meeting. We planned to marry probably sometime the following year given that it looked like his divorce might not be complete til then given the rate it was going with everything his ex was doing to complicate it.

But then as my pregnancy progressed it became high risk and to our pleasant surprise his divorce finally became finalized a month before I was due, but the pregnancy was barely holding out that long. Considering the high risk for medical complications and that the divorce was out of the way, we decided it best to marry asap in order for me and our baby to get on his military med ins which was much better than mine and would cover complications better.

We married in a rushed courthouse ceremony with only a few people, no attendants, or registry, and me about to pop and barely contained in the only rediculous dress I could find to squeeze into last minute, and it was horrendous and too short. I cringe to look at any pictures our friend took on his iPad that show me from the neck down. I can look back on the whole thing now and laugh better, but the day really was a disaster compared to what I always dreamed of. I felt like a blimp, was extremely hormonal and crying and upset about who knows what little things, worried about baby's and 8's health, and just unable to gracefully handle all the emotions coursing through me and it was everything I didn't want for my wedding day. Of course I get that it's the love that counts and that was ultimately there despite everything, especially later that night while waiting to be checked into the hospital (that's right, I went into labor that night! We got married just in the nick of time!) when we got to share a truly tender and love filled kiss that truly reflected us and our love, which thankfully a sweet nurse captured on a pic on my phone (the only pic from the whole day that I love, much less like). Our baby girl was born a few hours later, technically the next day, and was and is the best wedding gift from God we could ever receive, she is our treasure and not a regret for a moment!

I fully understand that it was our fault that we got pregnant when we did and had to deal with all the resulting circumstances and decisions, no one else's. But it's almost 2 years later and I'm still sad that I didn't feel more beautiful and joyous on my wedding day. I'm thinking about planning something for our 3rd anniversary next year, but I'm not sure what's appropriate? A vow renewal, reception, both?

Back before we had to do the rush wedding we had originally started to plan to incorporate some jewish vows and other elements into our wedding because even though we aren't jewish by blood we basically consider ourselves Messianic Jewish in many ways because we believe we are grafted in with Israel as God's people and believe in Christ as Messiah, so we were wanting a particular friend of ours who beleives the same as us to officiate and lead us through some certain traditions for the ceremony, but when we ended up with a courthouse wedding none of that ended up happening. Could we have a vow renewal and incorporate some of the jewish vows/elements then?

Also, I really would LOVE to be able to wear a beautiful gown that makes me feel beautiful for 1 special day. It doesn't have to be a white ballgown, but maybe a dif color or something not too typically wedding looking but still gorgeous? I keep not being able to tear my eyes away from Say Yes To The Dress and dreaming lol. I also want to include our daughter and my 6 and 7 yr old stepsons too if possible. Whatever we plan would still be relatively smallish, but bigger than what we had. Maybe 50-75 people tops. What would you all do in my shoes? What's acceptable?
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  • I feel like your situation is so different. I want to say do it but I'm not sure. Do a vow renewal and incorporate your Jewish traditions. Good luck and me posted.

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  • livflan27 said:
    Hi there, I need some ideas and honest but kind advice. But I'd like to provide a little background first. I appologize in advance for the length, I just want it to be clear where we're coming from. My husband is a disabled veteran whose wife heartlessly left him as soon as she found out he had gotten severely wounded while he was deployed in Iraq (actually she had already been having an affair on him, but him getting injured sent her officially packing). Needless to say that ended in divorce. I met him after he spent months recovering (actually miraculously well, many thought he would never walk or function anywhere close to normal again) and had finally been medically discharged from the Army and had moved back to his home town where I'm from, and we met at church. He was still in the process of his divorce which was being dragged out rediculously long, but we quickly knew we were meant for each other. I'm embarrassed to say even though I grew up Christian and he credited his recent turning to God for saving his life, we messed up and I got pregnant only a few months after meeting. We planned to marry probably sometime the following year given that it looked like his divorce might not be complete til then given the rate it was going with everything his ex was doing to complicate it. But then as my pregnancy progressed it became high risk and to our pleasant surprise his divorce finally became finalized a month before I was due, but the pregnancy was barely holding out that long. Considering the high risk for medical complications and that the divorce was out of the way, we decided it best to marry asap in order for me and our baby to get on his military med ins which was much better than mine and would cover complications better. We married in a rushed courthouse ceremony with only a few people, no attendants, or registry, and me about to pop and barely contained in the only rediculous dress I could find to squeeze into last minute, and it was horrendous and too short. I cringe to look at any pictures our friend took on his iPad that show me from the neck down. I can look back on the whole thing now and laugh better, but the day really was a disaster compared to what I always dreamed of. I felt like a blimp, was extremely hormonal and crying and upset about who knows what little things, worried about baby's and 8's health, and just unable to gracefully handle all the emotions coursing through me and it was everything I didn't want for my wedding day. Of course I get that it's the love that counts and that was ultimately there despite everything, especially later that night while waiting to be checked into the hospital (that's right, I went into labor that night! We got married just in the nick of time!) when we got to share a truly tender and love filled kiss that truly reflected us and our love, which thankfully a sweet nurse captured on a pic on my phone (the only pic from the whole day that I love, much less like). Our baby girl was born a few hours later, technically the next day, and was and is the best wedding gift from God we could ever receive, she is our treasure and not a regret for a moment! I fully understand that it was our fault that we got pregnant when we did and had to deal with all the resulting circumstances and decisions, no one else's. But it's almost 2 years later and I'm still sad that I didn't feel more beautiful and joyous on my wedding day. I'm thinking about planning something for our 3rd anniversary next year, but I'm not sure what's appropriate? A vow renewal, reception, both? Back before we had to do the rush wedding we had originally started to plan to incorporate some jewish vows and other elements into our wedding because even though we aren't jewish by blood we basically consider ourselves Messianic Jewish in many ways because we believe we are grafted in with Israel as God's people and believe in Christ as Messiah, so we were wanting a particular friend of ours who beleives the same as us to officiate and lead us through some certain traditions for the ceremony, but when we ended up with a courthouse wedding none of that ended up happening. Could we have a vow renewal and incorporate some of the jewish vows/elements then? Also, I really would LOVE to be able to wear a beautiful gown that makes me feel beautiful for 1 special day. It doesn't have to be a white ballgown, but maybe a dif color or something not too typically wedding looking but still gorgeous? I keep not being able to tear my eyes away from Say Yes To The Dress and dreaming lol. I also want to include our daughter and my 6 and 7 yr old stepsons too if possible. Whatever we plan would still be relatively smallish, but bigger than what we had. Maybe 50-75 people tops. What would you all do in my shoes? What's acceptable?

  • Personally, I think a vow renewal would be cool, incorporating your religion in said renewal. Perhaps not have a whole big wedding party, unless you where going to have your children be the wedding party. You could still have your friend 'officiate' if you want, but he doesn't need to be a JP or any sort of official officiant to officiate the vow renewal, as you're already married.

    I wouldn't necessarily suggest a big fancy dress, but there's nothing to say you can't find a nice, elegant dress, or pant suit if that's your preference, and wear that.

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  • Vow renewals are acceptable, but I personally think they should be reserved for a milestone (think 25+ years). 

    How about buying your dream dress and you, your husband and daughter renew your vows privately and have a photographer there so you get new pictures in your dream dress. 

    No matter what you plan, stick around and ask lots of questions. You might get answers you don't want to hear, but I promise it's because everyone wants you and your guests have the best experience possible. 
  • Acceptable: throwing an anniversary party and wearing something fabulous. Renewing your vows in a heartfelt ceremony in which you enter as husband and wife, don't have a bridal party, and honor the three years of marriage you have already enjoyed. Not acceptable: a second wedding ceremony. A bridal shower/bachelorette/bridesmaids, since you're not a bride. A registry (some may differ on this, but I think they're tacky for vowal renewals. Not acceptable: Breaking the glass, a huppah, dancing the hora- you're not Jewish, and I think many may find ant appropriation of Jewish traditions into a Christian ceremony extraordinarily offensive. In general, your background doesn't matter to me at all in this question. You chose to get married in a rush, and now you can't get a do-over.
    Co-signed, ShesSoCold. 

    You chose to have a wedding a few years ago. You don't get a re-do. Have a great party and that's it. 
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  • Just curious, in your particular religion, are you considered married since you were married outside of a church and not by a clergy member? 
  • I think a vow renewal would be lovely. Get a gown or dress that you feel beautiful in. I wouldn't do the walking down the aisle, bridesmaids or first dances though. Those scream "wedding."
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  • Maybe wait until your 5 year anniversary and have an anniversary party and vow renewal? I don't know why 5 years sounds better than 3 in my head, but it does. You can wear a lovely dress, and say your vows (or maybe different ones that acknowledge your years of happy marriage).

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  • Also I have to add, regardless of where it was or what dress you wore...that's pretty freaking awesome that you were married and had a daughter in the course of 24 hours! 
  • Have a nice anniversary party.  You already had your wedding when you got married, so no "wedding" things like a wedding gown, attendants, wedding-ish cake, registries, etc.  But you can wear a beautiful gown, invite family and friends, and enjoy yourself.
  • Do a destination vow renewal, wear a pretty/flowy wedding dress on a beach somewhere (or a mountain, wherever) and only have your H, your kids and a photographer present.  Don't have a reception (nope--not even when you get home), and don't register for gifts.
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  • I can understanding wishing you could have had the opportunity to have all the frills of a frou frou wedding with time to plan and feel lovely. The reality is that you chose to get on your now husband's health insurance because of complications with your pregnancy and had to rush to the courthouse to do so. I think the choice you made was absolutely the responsible one - you put coverage of your health care over the frills of frou frou wedding. Good for you! Unfortunately it comes with the consequence of not having that frou frou wedding. I hope you can look back fondly at your pictures instead of focusing on how you look. Focus on how you felt. 

    That said, what you CAN do from an etiquette perspective is have an anniversary party. No wedding dress, no "first" dances, no cake cutting, no attendants, no registries, no showers... etc. Just have a party. Find a dress in which you feel beautiful and hire a photographer. I would even hire a DJ and get people dancing. This will save you a ton of money on all the "other" stuff and you get the party portion. It's a win win.
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  • I'm with some PPs.  While you COULD plan a vow renewal, I'd totally focus my funds on an amazing vacation on a beach somewhere.  Get a nice, flowy dress (Note: NOT a wedding-looking dress), get your hair and make up done, and do a fun photoshoot with your hubby.  If you want to renew your vows, just do it there with only your kids present.  Frankly, I'd feel very uncomfortable being invited to some sort of reception/vow renewal 3 years after the couple got married.

    Also, do not incorporate Jewish ceremonial elements.  You are not Jewish.

  • @alexisa01 how is her situation really any different than anyone else who chose to get married sooner rather than later?

    After 6 years and 2 boys, finally tying the knot on October 27th, 2013!

  • Have a vow renewal/anniversary party. Find a gorgeous white/cream/blush/whatever dress that will flatter you and look like an elegant party dress (and not a frou-frou princess dress). Have your children dress up and escort you down the aisle. Say meaningful, special vows to one another. And then throw a fabulous party for your nearest and dearest. I would cut the list to smaller than 75, but whatever - that's your call.

    Don't register and don't have a shower/bachelorette. But beyond that, enjoy yourself! You aren't doing anything wrong and your certainly allowed to throw a party.
  • It sounds like you want two things: one, to have some beautiful pictures of you in a dress, and two, to celebrate with friends and family. 

    You don't have to do them both together. 

    Have a party with your family to celebrate your anniversary, or your baby's birthday, or both. Just have a family party cause you want to. Invite people over, host them well, and enjoy yourself.

    Then, take a short vacation away (how far away is up to you) with your husband and kids. Hire a photographer, buy a beautiful dress, ask your friend to show up if it's close. Exchange vows in private with your kids watching. Get some beautiful pictures. 
  • phiraphira member
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    I'd do a combo anniversary party and vow renewal, so you can say your vows in front of people you wish you could have invited to your wedding. However, since it's not a wedding, don't do traditional wedding stuff, like cake cutting, first dance, bouquet toss, registry, etc.

    Also, you're not Jewish. Please don't appropriate Jewish tradition. I'm kind of at a loss for words to explain why this is so inappropriate.
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  • phira said:
    I'd do a combo anniversary party and vow renewal, so you can say your vows in front of people you wish you could have invited to your wedding. However, since it's not a wedding, don't do traditional wedding stuff, like cake cutting, first dance, bouquet toss, registry, etc.

    Also, you're not Jewish. Please don't appropriate Jewish tradition. I'm kind of at a loss for words to explain why this is so inappropriate.
    Perhaps because Jews have been persecuted for millennia over the right to practice their faith, so it's very uncomfortable to see people who are not Jewish appropriate our traditions just because they're "cute" or suitably theatrically romantic or whatever.
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    Jen4948 said:
    phira said:
    I'd do a combo anniversary party and vow renewal, so you can say your vows in front of people you wish you could have invited to your wedding. However, since it's not a wedding, don't do traditional wedding stuff, like cake cutting, first dance, bouquet toss, registry, etc.

    Also, you're not Jewish. Please don't appropriate Jewish tradition. I'm kind of at a loss for words to explain why this is so inappropriate.
    Perhaps because Jews have been persecuted for millennia over the right to practice their faith, so it's very uncomfortable to see people who are not Jewish appropriate our traditions just because they're "cute" or suitably theatrically romantic or whatever.
    DEFINITELY this. Thank you. I also want to emphasize that if you're not of Jewish descent, and you didn't officially convert (at least according to Reform or Conservative Judaism), you're not Jewish. I don't mean for it to sound like a club or anything, but, well, just "feeling" Jewish isn't really a thing.
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    phira said:
    Jen4948 said:
    phira said:
    I'd do a combo anniversary party and vow renewal, so you can say your vows in front of people you wish you could have invited to your wedding. However, since it's not a wedding, don't do traditional wedding stuff, like cake cutting, first dance, bouquet toss, registry, etc.

    Also, you're not Jewish. Please don't appropriate Jewish tradition. I'm kind of at a loss for words to explain why this is so inappropriate.
    Perhaps because Jews have been persecuted for millennia over the right to practice their faith, so it's very uncomfortable to see people who are not Jewish appropriate our traditions just because they're "cute" or suitably theatrically romantic or whatever.
    DEFINITELY this. Thank you. I also want to emphasize that if you're not of Jewish descent, and you didn't officially convert (at least according to Reform or Conservative Judaism), you're not Jewish. I don't mean for it to sound like a club or anything, but, well, just "feeling" Jewish isn't really a thing.
    I came to say all of this. To incorporate Jewish traditions, and to be married by a Rabbi and sign the Ketubah is the way to be married in the Jewish religion. 

    If you were Jewish, I would instantly tell you that by Jewish "law" youre not married, but then I saw that you are not Jewish. 

  • Maybe I'm misunderstanding but it sounds like her faith is somehow related to Judaism? Perhaps some elements and traditions are related to her specific religion?
  • I honestly believe that your wedding was beautiful because it produced a healthy marriage and family. I think you should reflect on that fondly and celebrate your marriage with an anniversary party and vow renewal.

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  • @tinambride her religion is a sect of Christianity who believe roughly that they should still be Jews since Jesus was the Jewish messiah. Actual Jews find it...like phira said, inappropriate.
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  • I think a vow renewal is a great idea! I don't think it has to be for a milestone anniversary, however...I think vow renewals should be done WHENEVER the couple want to do it. In fact one couple that will be in our wedding wants to do a vow renewal and were considering their 25th, but that's still a ways off. I feel like people expect something like that on a milestone anniversary...just do it any time you feel like it's a good time to recommit yourselves to each other.

    As for whether or not have it done like a "wedding"...I don't know, I'm on the fence about it and can see why to or why not to. I know that our friends want to another wedding just for fun and in our circle of friends everyone is totally for it. In their first wedding, the wife feels like she just did everything everyone else wanted...from her dress, to flowers, to cake, etc. This time she wants something more elegant and less dated. Also they will be paying for it 100% themselves, whereas last time her parents paid for everything. It won't be referred to as a wedding. They're shooting for their 22nd anniversary, just a couple years away :)

    It may not be "proper", but I've really come to realize that while etiquette is important, sometimes you just have to know your circle, ya know. There have been MANY times when explaining something to people from my area I get that "Are you f'n kidding me?!" look and have actually been told I come across a bit of a snob and snooty....somethings though, I have really had to stick to my guns on (like NO dollar dance! LOL)

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  • Thank you to all who have pointed out that Messianic "Jews" are not Jewish.
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    Thank you to all who have pointed out that Messianic "Jews" are not Jewish.

    Messianic Judaism are ethnically Jewish, many of them argue that the movement is a sect of Judaism. Jewish organizations, and the Supreme Court of Israel in cases related to the Law of Return, have rejected this claim, and instead consider Messianic Judaism to be a form of Christianity. Aka not Jewish
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