Celtic Hand Tying Ceremony....

KeptInStitches · October 2013

lauralee1723 said:

KeptInStitches said:

I think the unity candle tradition started on a soap opera - I want to say The Young and The Restless?

Seriously?

Pretty darn sure. I know I read it somewhere, I'll look for my reference today if I have time.

lauralee1723 · October 2013

KeptInStitches said:

lauralee1723 said:

KeptInStitches said:

I think the unity candle tradition started on a soap opera - I want to say The Young and The Restless?

Seriously?
Pretty darn sure. I know I read it somewhere, I'll look for my reference today if I have time.

That's so interesting!

PrettyGirlLost · October 2013

KeptInStitches said:

I think the unity candle tradition started on a soap opera - I want to say The Young and The Restless?

Yep, unity candles are a secular thing first used on a wedding on the Young and the Restless. Many Catholic and Anglican parishes will not allow them to be used during a wedding mass.

lauralee1723 · October 2013

PrettyGirlLost said:

KeptInStitches said:

I think the unity candle tradition started on a soap opera - I want to say The Young and The Restless?

Yep, unity candles are a secular thing first used on a wedding on the Young and the Restless. Many Catholic and Anglican parishes will not allow them to be used during a wedding mass.

That. Is amazing.

PrettyGirlLost · October 2013

lauralee1723 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

KeptInStitches said:

I think the unity candle tradition started on a soap opera - I want to say The Young and The Restless?

Yep, unity candles are a secular thing first used on a wedding on the Young and the Restless. Many Catholic and Anglican parishes will not allow them to be used during a wedding mass.

That. Is amazing.

I learned this just this year when I met with our Pastor to schedule our wedding date. I had no idea, because I have seen unity candles in a ton of Catholic and other Christian ceremonies.

KeptInStitches · October 2013

Thanks, @PrettyGirlLost! Off to be productive now ...

GypsyWife_ · October 2013

southernbelle0915 said:

For @gypsywife_ and everyone else - serious (possibly ignorant) question:

What if the OP had a reader read the poem (as a piece of literature that resonates with her) but they didn't actually perform the ritual? Is this worse? Better? Same?

we don't do poems or readings with the hand tyings.

i have no idea how celtics do it. or pagans. so i cant answer for them.

MrsMack10612 · October 2013

@southernbelle0915 - not knowing how the readings go, I would say it has the potential to seem out of place or awkward without the ritual.

And to whatever PP mentioned that handfasting is more than just Celtic or Pagan, I realize that, but since the OP specifically mentioned Celtic and Celtic/Pagan are the two most recognized I went with that.

CheleLyn · October 2013

HisGirlFriday13 said:

STARMOON44 said:

Is it your tradition? Did your mother do it? Grandmother? Did your future spouse's parents do it? Have you adopted a new religion from your family of birth and this fits into that one? If not, I think you need to be very careful about using someone else's tradition just because you like it. It's easy to be flip about cultural appropriation, but it can be very hurtful to people who have sacrificed to hang onto their traditions to see them get turned into popular trends.

This times about a million. My father's family emigrated from Ireland; my fiance's family from Ireland and Scotland. We absolutely could have incorporated this into our wedding, but chose not to.

I went to a wedding once where the white bride and groom "jumped the broom," which is a traditionally African-American tradition with roots that go back to the time of slavery. They thought it was "cute." I thought it was horrible, offensive, racially insensitive statement.

There's a lot of great poetry out there -- find another piece that you like and incorporate that.

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Damn quote box!

"Jumping the Broom" is most commonly seen as an African American tradition, but it actually is Pagan.

GypsyWife_ · October 2013

CheleLyn said:

HisGirlFriday13 said:

STARMOON44 said:

Is it your tradition? Did your mother do it? Grandmother? Did your future spouse's parents do it? Have you adopted a new religion from your family of birth and this fits into that one? If not, I think you need to be very careful about using someone else's tradition just because you like it. It's easy to be flip about cultural appropriation, but it can be very hurtful to people who have sacrificed to hang onto their traditions to see them get turned into popular trends.

This times about a million. My father's family emigrated from Ireland; my fiance's family from Ireland and Scotland. We absolutely could have incorporated this into our wedding, but chose not to.

I went to a wedding once where the white bride and groom "jumped the broom," which is a traditionally African-American tradition with roots that go back to the time of slavery. They thought it was "cute." I thought it was horrible, offensive, racially insensitive statement.

There's a lot of great poetry out there -- find another piece that you like and incorporate that.

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Damn quote box!

"Jumping the Broom" is most commonly seen as an African American tradition, but it actually is Pagan.

no its not. pagans adapted it from the gypsy travelers in the 16th century. as did african americans in slavery adapted it . ive read several articles on this including wikipedia.

HisGirlFriday13 · October 2013

GypsyWife_ said:

CheleLyn said:

HisGirlFriday13 said:

STARMOON44 said:

Is it your tradition? Did your mother do it? Grandmother? Did your future spouse's parents do it? Have you adopted a new religion from your family of birth and this fits into that one? If not, I think you need to be very careful about using someone else's tradition just because you like it. It's easy to be flip about cultural appropriation, but it can be very hurtful to people who have sacrificed to hang onto their traditions to see them get turned into popular trends.

This times about a million. My father's family emigrated from Ireland; my fiance's family from Ireland and Scotland. We absolutely could have incorporated this into our wedding, but chose not to.

I went to a wedding once where the white bride and groom "jumped the broom," which is a traditionally African-American tradition with roots that go back to the time of slavery. They thought it was "cute." I thought it was horrible, offensive, racially insensitive statement.

There's a lot of great poetry out there -- find another piece that you like and incorporate that.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Damn quote box!

"Jumping the Broom" is most commonly seen as an African American tradition, but it actually is Pagan.

no its not. pagans adapted it from the gypsy travelers in the 16th century. as did african americans in slavery adapted it . ive read several articles on this including wikipedia.

Well, at all events, my very white, middle-class, Anglican/Presbyterian-raised friend and her FI had less than no business doing this at their wedding since they're not Pagan, Gypsy, OR African-American.

Whoever's tradition it was, it wasn't theirs, and it was awkward and offensive. Also, the BM gave a speech about her now having to use the broom to clean the house, because "that's woman's work."

All round, bad wedding.

ETA: No disrespect meant, @GypsyWife_, but Wikipedia is not generally accepted as a reliable, credible news source. It's an online encyclopedia that anyone can -- and does! -- edit.

GypsyWife_ · October 2013

HisGirlFriday13 said:

GypsyWife_ said:

CheleLyn said:

HisGirlFriday13 said:

STARMOON44 said:

Is it your tradition? Did your mother do it? Grandmother? Did your future spouse's parents do it? Have you adopted a new religion from your family of birth and this fits into that one? If not, I think you need to be very careful about using someone else's tradition just because you like it. It's easy to be flip about cultural appropriation, but it can be very hurtful to people who have sacrificed to hang onto their traditions to see them get turned into popular trends.

This times about a million. My father's family emigrated from Ireland; my fiance's family from Ireland and Scotland. We absolutely could have incorporated this into our wedding, but chose not to.

I went to a wedding once where the white bride and groom "jumped the broom," which is a traditionally African-American tradition with roots that go back to the time of slavery. They thought it was "cute." I thought it was horrible, offensive, racially insensitive statement.

There's a lot of great poetry out there -- find another piece that you like and incorporate that.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Damn quote box!

"Jumping the Broom" is most commonly seen as an African American tradition, but it actually is Pagan.

no its not. pagans adapted it from the gypsy travelers in the 16th century. as did african americans in slavery adapted it . ive read several articles on this including wikipedia.

Well, at all events, my very white, middle-class, Anglican/Presbyterian-raised friend and her FI had less than no business doing this at their wedding since they're not Pagan, Gypsy, OR African-American.

Whoever's tradition it was, it wasn't theirs, and it was awkward and offensive. Also, the BM gave a speech about her now having to use the broom to clean the house, because "that's woman's work."

All round, bad wedding.

ETA: No disrespect meant, @GypsyWife_, but Wikipedia is not generally accepted as a reliable, credible news source. It's an online encyclopedia that anyone can -- and does! -- edit.

ooooohhhhhh you told me.

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