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Inviting your future in-laws...UGH!

Alright, so here's a dilemma I've been battling for 4 and a half years now.

My boyfriend and I have been together for that long, at the start of the relationship, I was moved in with him and his mother. Here is where I learned of her ugliness. She lies and manipulates to get her way, even with her own family. We found evidence of her stealing her other sons ssn to open credit cards, etc, etc. She has always been saying rude things about me to other people, we've seen her emails that have been forwarded to us through other people. The WORST case of this was getting emails from his best friends wife. My boyfriend was the best man, and unfortunately I could not make the wedding due to them getting married on an important day for my work place ( april 19th, customer appreciation day at subway, remember that! lol)

Anyway, I guess when my boyfriends mother, Sue, found out, she was VERY happy. So happy, she sent emails back and forth with the bride to be asking her to try to set him up with one of the other bridesmaids, or something. "ANYONE is better than her!" she said.  Like, Sue has never liked me, always talking about me behind my back, quite loudly, on the phone (lol, I can hear you geeze >_<). And I think I know why....whenever she would come home, she would always, like CLOCKWORK, yell for my boyfriend to do some form of labor, somewhere, somehow. I told him that's not normal, it's demanding, and he caught on, and started to tell her off a bit about it. You know, like: "Mom, I'm busy, I'll do it later." or "can't you do it yourself?" I think she was po'd that I'm taking away her slave.

So that was his mom, now let's tell you about his dad, Tom. Sue and Tom are divorced. So Tom is a manic depressive, bipolar mess. I'm sorry, but he is. So a while ago, he told us that we could stay in his house and have it signed into TJ's name since he's going to get gov't assisted housing, he doesn't work. Three months later now, he's still here. So my damage is, we now pay for everything, house insurance, water, taxes, electric, cable, tv, internet, our car insurance, our cell phones, our credit cards, we even pay for HIS health insurance. Everything, he pays for nothing. He TOLD us he would let us use some of his food stamps for repayment, never happened. He disappears for weeks with different "girlfriends" and comes back, goes into his room, says nothing to us, and uses our stuff. Watches TV, uses the internet, etc etc, etc. He's using us, but my boyfriend doesn't see this, all he sees is that it took away our rent. What I see is connecting to a story he gave us shortly before. He told us that his current live in girlfriend wanted to foster a child, and he wasn't flying with that, so he kicked her out. So who was paying for all these amenities? No one, he doesn't pay for anything! So, with no one to pay for his crap, he invited us in, now we're doing it, he gets a free ride. That's what I see.

Now that youv'e got the two parents, there is his brother. His mother, Sue, had my boyfriend with some other guy, a love child. The other son, sean was through the above mentioned father, sean is blood, that's what I think this is. So I have Sean on my facebook account, and all the time I see my boyfriends dad spamming him w/ messages, but never anything on my boyfriends account, as well as sean's girlfriends account. What you need to remember here is that me and my boyfriend have been together for nearly 5 years now, these two have been together, just over a year, and I see comments like this about their anniversary from the dad: " The only thing missing is white dress, tux and two gold bands." and "Sean is the best son ever,and Marisa is the best girlfriend ever,and they are the best couple ever, that is the best Christmas Decorations ever, that is the best looking house ever, and may you both have the best live together forever." Like you have another son, you know?

Not EVER has he EVER praised either me OR my boyfriend. You know, the son he's is getting EVERYTHING from. What the..? and the mother also spams how she wants them to get married all the time as well. The two of them are like obsessed with Sean and his girlfriend of one year, yet they ignore their eldest son and his girlfriend of over four years now, take our money, and treat me like junk.

So there's the whole she-bang! So MY issue is....I have no desire, because of the mistreatment from the two of them, to invite them to our wedding. I feel like neither of the two have ever been supportive of the two of us, since they have no issue showing support for the other son, obviously they have a problem with it. Why should I have them there? They'll only make me angry. Whenever I look at them, I get angry, knowing they're saying horrid things about me in their heads, probably wishing for a break up, and at the wedding, a divorce! Why would I want that negativity? But my boyfriend just doesn't see any of this! I mean he doesn't care for his mother very much, but is still nice to her face, of course, but he like LOVES his dad, and every time I say you know, he ignores you, he says no, he doesn't! But I say why then does he have pictures of sean all over his bedroom, none of you? Why does he never say anything to us on any of our previous 4 anniversaries, but has jumped all over their first year? He brushes it off, like it's okay. It's not okay to me. We pay for all your stuff, your health insurance, etc etc, and you can't even wish us happy anniversary, or anything? I DON'T WANT THEM THERE.


But I know my boyfriend will want to, just to have them happy. How, knowing all of this, going through all of this, can I put up with that? Please, please help. :(
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Re: Inviting your future in-laws...UGH!

  • I think you and your boyfriend, if you're talking about marriage, should go to couples therapy. Your living situation is not healthy, and that can take a toll on any relationship. 

    I also think, inviting your future in laws to the wedding should be the least of your concerns. Go to therapy make sure you're both on the same page with future life goals and plans. Do you want your FFIL living with you forever? Cause it sounds like as it stands your boyfriend has no plans to ask him to move out. These are things you need to figure out before marriage.
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  • AddieL73 said:
    ipilya said:
    Alright, so here's a dilemma I've been battling for 4 and a half years now.

    My boyfriend and I have been together for that long, at the start of the relationship, I was moved in with him and his mother. Here is where I learned of her ugliness. She lies and manipulates to get her way, even with her own family. We found evidence of her stealing her other sons ssn to open credit cards, etc, etc. She has always been saying rude things about me to other people, we've seen her emails that have been forwarded to us through other people. The WORST case of this was getting emails from his best friends wife. My boyfriend was the best man, and unfortunately I could not make the wedding due to them getting married on an important day for my work place ( april 19th, customer appreciation day at subway, remember that! lol)

    Anyway, I guess when my boyfriends mother, Sue, found out, she was VERY happy. So happy, she sent emails back and forth with the bride to be asking her to try to set him up with one of the other bridesmaids, or something. "ANYONE is better than her!" she said.  Like, Sue has never liked me, always talking about me behind my back, quite loudly, on the phone (lol, I can hear you geeze >_<). And I think I know why....whenever she would come home, she would always, like CLOCKWORK, yell for my boyfriend to do some form of labor, somewhere, somehow. I told him that's not normal, it's demanding, and he caught on, and started to tell her off a bit about it. You know, like: "Mom, I'm busy, I'll do it later." or "can't you do it yourself?" I think she was po'd that I'm taking away her slave.

    So that was his mom, now let's tell you about his dad, Tom. Sue and Tom are divorced. So Tom is a manic depressive, bipolar mess. I'm sorry, but he is. So a while ago, he told us that we could stay in his house and have it signed into TJ's name since he's going to get gov't assisted housing, he doesn't work. Three months later now, he's still here. So my damage is, we now pay for everything, house insurance, water, taxes, electric, cable, tv, internet, our car insurance, our cell phones, our credit cards, we even pay for HIS health insurance. Everything, he pays for nothing. He TOLD us he would let us use some of his food stamps for repayment, never happened. He disappears for weeks with different "girlfriends" and comes back, goes into his room, says nothing to us, and uses our stuff. Watches TV, uses the internet, etc etc, etc. He's using us, but my boyfriend doesn't see this, all he sees is that it took away our rent. What I see is connecting to a story he gave us shortly before. He told us that his current live in girlfriend wanted to foster a child, and he wasn't flying with that, so he kicked her out. So who was paying for all these amenities? No one, he doesn't pay for anything! So, with no one to pay for his crap, he invited us in, now we're doing it, he gets a free ride. That's what I see.

    Now that youv'e got the two parents, there is his brother. His mother, Sue, had my boyfriend with some other guy, a love child. The other son, sean was through the above mentioned father, sean is blood, that's what I think this is. So I have Sean on my facebook account, and all the time I see my boyfriends dad spamming him w/ messages, but never anything on my boyfriends account, as well as sean's girlfriends account. What you need to remember here is that me and my boyfriend have been together for nearly 5 years now, these two have been together, just over a year, and I see comments like this about their anniversary from the dad: " The only thing missing is white dress, tux and two gold bands." and "Sean is the best son ever,and Marisa is the best girlfriend ever,and they are the best couple ever, that is the best Christmas Decorations ever, that is the best looking house ever, and may you both have the best live together forever." Like you have another son, you know?

    Not EVER has he EVER praised either me OR my boyfriend. You know, the son he's is getting EVERYTHING from. What the..? and the mother also spams how she wants them to get married all the time as well. The two of them are like obsessed with Sean and his girlfriend of one year, yet they ignore their eldest son and his girlfriend of over four years now, take our money, and treat me like junk.

    So there's the whole she-bang! So MY issue is....I have no desire, because of the mistreatment from the two of them, to invite them to our wedding. I feel like neither of the two have ever been supportive of the two of us, since they have no issue showing support for the other son, obviously they have a problem with it. Why should I have them there? They'll only make me angry. Whenever I look at them, I get angry, knowing they're saying horrid things about me in their heads, probably wishing for a break up, and at the wedding, a divorce! Why would I want that negativity? But my boyfriend just doesn't see any of this! I mean he doesn't care for his mother very much, but is still nice to her face, of course, but he like LOVES his dad, and every time I say you know, he ignores you, he says no, he doesn't! But I say why then does he have pictures of sean all over his bedroom, none of you? Why does he never say anything to us on any of our previous 4 anniversaries, but has jumped all over their first year? He brushes it off, like it's okay. It's not okay to me. We pay for all your stuff, your health insurance, etc etc, and you can't even wish us happy anniversary, or anything? I DON'T WANT THEM THERE.


    But I know my boyfriend will want to, just to have them happy. How, knowing all of this, going through all of this, can I put up with that? Please, please help. :(
    First, are you even engaged? You refer to him repeatedly as your boyfriend. Until you are engaged and planning a wedding, this is a non-issue. Second, I agree these people seem pretty shitty. You and your boyfriend need to get on the same page about them if you hope to move forward and have a life together. 


    Halfway, he got me a promise ring two months ago, and let me know within the year, just saving up for a ring. But I've been planning our wedding for a while, because we definitely want this to be. It just gets more and more awkward the longer we're together, because I feel more and more obligated to invite them, when I still really don't want to.
  • chibiyui said:
    I think you and your boyfriend, if you're talking about marriage, should go to couples therapy. Your living situation is not healthy, and that can take a toll on any relationship. 

    I also think, inviting your future in laws to the wedding should be the least of your concerns. Go to therapy make sure you're both on the same page with future life goals and plans. Do you want your FFIL living with you forever? Cause it sounds like as it stands your boyfriend has no plans to ask him to move out. These are things you need to figure out before marriage.
    This this this, a THOUSAND times THIS! I've been wanting to do that forever now. Wouldn't DREAM of being with his dad forever, haha. I've discussed it with him, and he doesn't want to go, thinks we don't need it. :(
  • Why dont you get your own place? Alot of issues arise from living with people. Just move out. 
    Also, if someone invites you into their house to live with them, even if youre paying their bills, they invited you into their space, you dont get to critique their lifestyle, if you dont like it move out and do your own thing. And yes, you have to invite his fam to your wedding. Also mistreatment is something i classify as physical abuse, emotional abuse, and theft. If you choose to pay his bills, thats your choice, so why pay them and then complain after? Family is family, when you live together, youre all in it together, this isnt that bad, when it gets bad youll know. I know many people who raise other peoples children, deal with heroin addictions, psychological issues other than "annoyance and chores and laziness", i know MANY people who pay for their parents cancer treatments, im talking hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, or they pay their elderly home care, to the tune of 3K a month. You dont have it bad yet, this isnt bad. 
  • Anaelsea said:
    Why dont you get your own place? Alot of issues arise from living with people. Just move out. 
    Also, if someone invites you into their house to live with them, even if youre paying their bills, they invited you into their space, you dont get to critique their lifestyle, if you dont like it move out and do your own thing. And yes, you have to invite his fam to your wedding. Also mistreatment is something i classify as physical abuse, emotional abuse, and theft. If you choose to pay his bills, thats your choice, so why pay them and then complain after? Family is family, when you live together, youre all in it together, this isnt that bad, when it gets bad youll know. I know many people who raise other peoples children, deal with heroin addictions, psychological issues other than "annoyance and chores and laziness", i know MANY people who pay for their parents cancer treatments, im talking hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, or they pay their elderly home care, to the tune of 3K a month. You dont have it bad yet, this isnt bad. 
    We've had our own place before, we can't afford an actual house. The issue his dad has is if he goes into government assisted living, he loses his house, so he told us we could have the house so it stays in the family, but now he won't go anywhere. I feel like if we leave...he'll guilt TJ right back into it, and right now we don't have the money to do a down payment on an apartment anyways, Tj was just recently laid off and is on unemployment....
  • PDKH said:
    You need to get your own place, get together to establish a true plan for taking care of FFIL, and get yourselves to counseling ASAP. 

    These issues are so beyond who you invite to your wedding, it's not even funny. 
    Right? But I can't FORCE him there, how can I get him to go when he's so against it? I think he's had so many issues with counseling through his crazy mom and the divorce, he hates it now...
  • You're putting the cart before the horse here.  Get your ducks in a row first.  LOL  Sorry.  But I agree. Move out.  I sure wouldnt want to  come home to this hot mess everyday.
  • ipilya said:
    PDKH said:
    You need to get your own place, get together to establish a true plan for taking care of FFIL, and get yourselves to counseling ASAP. 

    These issues are so beyond who you invite to your wedding, it's not even funny. 
    Right? But I can't FORCE him there, how can I get him to go when he's so against it? I think he's had so many issues with counseling through his crazy mom and the divorce, he hates it now...


    If he wont go at least a couple times because you've asked him to, because you think it's important for the future health your relationship, because his family is this much of a mess, you need to walk away from him. 
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  • AddieL73 said:
    ipilya said:

    Halfway, he got me a promise ring two months ago, and let me know within the year, just saving up for a ring. But I've been planning our wedding for a while, because we definitely want this to be. It just gets more and more awkward the longer we're together, because I feel more and more obligated to invite them, when I still really don't want to.
    There is no half-way engaged. You either are or are not. If you are planning a wedding, then you are engaged (unless you're a psycho). I really don't see how you can build a life with this man if he doesn't see how fucked up the situation is. 


    Mmmm, because I love him and he makes me happy. I would like to think eventually his parents just won't be a part of our lives anymore, we eventually want to make our way back to where he grew up, Long Island, his parents are both upstate with us, if we get some distance, it won't be that bad, but right now, it's terrible. I can't blame him for loving his parents and wanting to have them in his life...but they've just done too much to us for me to be happy when they're around.
  • Easier said then done, I guess. It's hard for me to think that I've wasted nearly five years, just to walk away because of his parents...just wish there was a way to get them out of our lives, as bitchy as it sounds...
  • ipilya said:
    Anaelsea said:
    Why dont you get your own place? Alot of issues arise from living with people. Just move out. 
    Also, if someone invites you into their house to live with them, even if youre paying their bills, they invited you into their space, you dont get to critique their lifestyle, if you dont like it move out and do your own thing. And yes, you have to invite his fam to your wedding. Also mistreatment is something i classify as physical abuse, emotional abuse, and theft. If you choose to pay his bills, thats your choice, so why pay them and then complain after? Family is family, when you live together, youre all in it together, this isnt that bad, when it gets bad youll know. I know many people who raise other peoples children, deal with heroin addictions, psychological issues other than "annoyance and chores and laziness", i know MANY people who pay for their parents cancer treatments, im talking hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, or they pay their elderly home care, to the tune of 3K a month. You dont have it bad yet, this isnt bad. 
    We've had our own place before, we can't afford an actual house. The issue his dad has is if he goes into government assisted living, he loses his house, so he told us we could have the house so it stays in the family, but now he won't go anywhere. I feel like if we leave...he'll guilt TJ right back into it, and right now we don't have the money to do a down payment on an apartment anyways, Tj was just recently laid off and is on unemployment....
    You guys have so many issues beyond weddings. If his dad, not you, owns the house he doesn't have to move out, because it's his house. 

    If you can't afford to put a deposit down on an apartment and pay regular rent, how are you affording a wedding? 

    Seriously, this is not a healthy situation and I recommend you remove yourself from it. At least temporarily. 
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  • ipilya said:
    chibiyui said:
    I think you and your boyfriend, if you're talking about marriage, should go to couples therapy. Your living situation is not healthy, and that can take a toll on any relationship. 

    I also think, inviting your future in laws to the wedding should be the least of your concerns. Go to therapy make sure you're both on the same page with future life goals and plans. Do you want your FFIL living with you forever? Cause it sounds like as it stands your boyfriend has no plans to ask him to move out. These are things you need to figure out before marriage.
    This this this, a THOUSAND times THIS! I've been wanting to do that forever now. Wouldn't DREAM of being with his dad forever, haha. I've discussed it with him, and he doesn't want to go, thinks we don't need it. :(
    Get thee to therapy. Your boyfriend proposing will not magically fix his issues. Instead of a wedding, you should be planning an escape route. Instead of him saving up for a ring, he should be saving up for a security deposit. 

    If your boyfriend doesn't think he needs therapy, then you need to decide if you love your boyfriend enough to be live in care-taker of his dad for the rest of your life, because it will not change.
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  • PDKH said:
    ipilya said:
    Anaelsea said:
    Why dont you get your own place? Alot of issues arise from living with people. Just move out. 
    Also, if someone invites you into their house to live with them, even if youre paying their bills, they invited you into their space, you dont get to critique their lifestyle, if you dont like it move out and do your own thing. And yes, you have to invite his fam to your wedding. Also mistreatment is something i classify as physical abuse, emotional abuse, and theft. If you choose to pay his bills, thats your choice, so why pay them and then complain after? Family is family, when you live together, youre all in it together, this isnt that bad, when it gets bad youll know. I know many people who raise other peoples children, deal with heroin addictions, psychological issues other than "annoyance and chores and laziness", i know MANY people who pay for their parents cancer treatments, im talking hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, or they pay their elderly home care, to the tune of 3K a month. You dont have it bad yet, this isnt bad. 
    We've had our own place before, we can't afford an actual house. The issue his dad has is if he goes into government assisted living, he loses his house, so he told us we could have the house so it stays in the family, but now he won't go anywhere. I feel like if we leave...he'll guilt TJ right back into it, and right now we don't have the money to do a down payment on an apartment anyways, Tj was just recently laid off and is on unemployment....
    You guys have so many issues beyond weddings. If his dad, not you, owns the house he doesn't have to move out, because it's his house. 

    If you can't afford to put a deposit down on an apartment and pay regular rent, how are you affording a wedding? 

    Seriously, this is not a healthy situation and I recommend you remove yourself from it. At least temporarily. 
    Not now, but in the future. He's in school now finishing his degree next semester, then he'll be making quite a bit as an engineer, that will allow me to go part time with my customer service job to go to school for whatever. At that point, we would hope to get married, until then though, it's getting harder. What we had hoped for in this situation is to save enough without rent to at least get the proposal, since we don't like living together for so long and having no real commitment for our families....*shrug*
  • But they will not BE out of your lives until their SON wants them out. Right now he doesn't, and you're hoping one day he will just wake up and see this is fucked up. And as long as you stick around, you tell him it's not a deal breaker for you, so why should he see things any differently than he already does? Clearly you're cool enough with it all to stick around. 




    What did you think would happen if you walked up to a group of internet strangers and told them to get shoehorned by their lady doc?~StageManager14
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  • How old are you two? 
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  • I'm 25, he's 28.
  • Hey now, we have to give him a little credit, lol. He didn't chose to be unemployed, it was a layoff, and like I said, he's in school now, about to be an engineer in the spring. he's just too stubborn to see anything other than what he wants. i wouldn't have a problem with his dad being here if he would put forth some sort of assistance. It just the fact that everything I was told before going there hasn't happened. When we agreed to do this, it was under the impression for me that within the month, his dad would be out, the house would be in our name, and we'd be on our way to saving for the future w/o paying rent. Now none of that is the case, and he has since told us he'll at least help by giving us some of his food stamps, that isn't even happening....
  • manateehuggermanateehugger member
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    I understand financial struggles, I do. But what I'm saying is that you're with someone who will not/cannot support you emotionally or tangibly. If he sees no issues with this family and wont even entertain the idea of counseling because it will make you feel better, he's not being a supportive BF. 

    You SHOULDN'T have a problem being with his dad since you are living in his dad's home. If you don't want to live with his dad, you need to start figuring out a way to pay your own rent. I understand that the situation didn't work out the way you thought it would, but you can't complain about it continuing since you and your BF aren't doing anything about it except pushing dad to move out of a house he owns. 

    You can't have it both ways - you either live with his dad, save tons of money by living rent-free, and deal with him being there or you move out. You don't get to shove someone out of a home because you want to continue to live rent free. 

    What are your career prospects here? Can you take care of yourself?

    ETA: If you stopped paying for all of his dad's stuff, could you afford rent for yourself?

    ETA again: Seriously, I STRONGLY recommend you remove yourself from this relationship, at least temporarily. If this guy is "too stubborn to see anything other than what he wants" he is NOT a good partner. What he wants should be to keep the woman he loves happy and healthy and supported. He is doing none of that now. 
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  • Exactly. None of it is happening, and your boyfriend doesn't see a problem with it. THAT's a problem. 
    What did you think would happen if you walked up to a group of internet strangers and told them to get shoehorned by their lady doc?~StageManager14
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  • PDKH said:
    I understand financial struggles, I do. But what I'm saying is that you're with someone who will not/cannot support you emotionally or tangibly. If he sees no issues with this family and wont even entertain the idea of counseling because it will make you feel better, he's not being a supportive BF. 

    You SHOULDN'T have a problem being with his dad since you are living in his dad's home. If you don't want to live with his dad, you need to start figuring out a way to pay your own rent. I understand that the situation didn't work out the way you thought it would, but you can't complain about it continuing since you and your BF aren't doing anything about it except pushing dad to move out of a house he owns. 

    You can't have it both ways - you either live with his dad, save tons of money by living rent-free, and deal with him being there or you move out. You don't get to shove someone out of a home because you want to continue to live rent free. Is his dad going to continue to pay the mortgage? Can you afford the property taxes? Utilities?

    What are your career prospects here? Can you take care of yourself?
    There is no mortgage, and we just paid the taxes, and all the utilities. What it is leveling out to be is with the taxes, his insurance and the house insurance, it equals the same thing as rent. With places as high as they are around here, my current job wouldn't pay my own bills plus rent by myself, let alone be able to go back to school to advance myself. So if I went off on my own, I would drown. We need to incomes, and he won't follow me elsewhere. i guess I could go back with my parents, they're at least human....
  • Trust me, my FI's father uses him. He's always asking for money and expecting things. When he got a DUI he'd call up his son to drive him places, we'd be on a date and he'd be like we need to go, my dad wants a ride. Sometimes it'd be a ride to the bar, I kid  you not! It doesn't get better. Luckily for me, his dad moved to Montana (we live in Oregon) but even still he asks for money. I've just tried to take a new stance on it. It is his dad, and although I may think the whole situation is weird because I would never supply my dad with money to go get alcohol, it is something he feels he needs to do. I just try to be calm about it. I've been very understanding lately, and even offered to buy the plane ticket for his dad to come to our wedding later this month.

     

    You just have to choose, is the guy worth the family? If you marry him, you're not marrying him, you're marrying the family. Everything he comes with, all the baggage from the family, all the family members. And you cannot choose to invite them or not to your wedding, that is a decision for your FI and only your FI to make. If he wants them there you have to invite them. FI and I were going to not have ANYBODY at our ceremony, then without telling me, he invited his father and mother. I just decided to change it to a parent only ceremony, invited my father and mother and we moved on. If it's important to him for them to be there, you need to accept it.

  • ipilya said:
    Hey now, we have to give him a little credit, lol. He didn't chose to be unemployed, it was a layoff, and like I said, he's in school now, about to be an engineer in the spring. he's just too stubborn to see anything other than what he wants. i wouldn't have a problem with his dad being here if he would put forth some sort of assistance. It just the fact that everything I was told before going there hasn't happened. When we agreed to do this, it was under the impression for me that within the month, his dad would be out, the house would be in our name, and we'd be on our way to saving for the future w/o paying rent. Now none of that is the case, and he has since told us he'll at least help by giving us some of his food stamps, that isn't even happening....
    While I hope for your sake that everything works out, the bolded suggests that even if he gets a good job and you guys are able to move away from his family, his family will still be an issue. Your boyfriend obviously wants a relationship with his father. You can't tell him not too. Thats his call. You can't make him do anything.

    I would tell him that, say after spring or once he has a job again, that you want counseling or your gone. Make it an ultimatum otherwise, he has no reason to change. 
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