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Re: Traditional Brides?

  • abbyj700 said:
    Hey popcorn eaters - where's the original thread please? :-) 
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  • mbross3 said:
    To the bolded: UMMM WHAT?! The minute when you sign the license= you're married. That ALWAYS happens in the same day. 
    I think that she means have the day you say your vows somewhere on Earth (or in space, who knows what the future holds!) be the day your marriage is made legal in the US (as in the vows said and THEN the license signed and submitted - the TRADITIONAL way to get married).
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  • I see nothing traditional about your plans, OP.  I see plenty of sexist, selfish, and bridezilla behavior though.

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  • abbyj700 said:
    I'm super confused on how the traditional bride thing is being drug into this...

    Maybe I'm so confused because not only do I have women in my wedding party...I have a woman who's wearing pants in my wedding party. And most likely no ushers because...well...my friends and family know how to sit down I think... 
    I'm with you! We didn't have ushers and I had a bridesman AND two eight year old bridesmaids. And the ringbearer had a mohawk. OP must be dying inside! :)
  • I believe once the ceremony is over with the bride and groom head to a room and have the officiant sign the license (in my state only the officiant needs to sign it, no one else).  In all honesty, the couple is not officially married until the license is sent in and processed, but the need of an officiant presiding over the ceremony and signing the license makes the couple about 99.9% married.  So I would say that when the officiant pronounces them man and wife the couple is basically married because you need the officiant to do the ceremony for them to even to consider signing the license.  

    Did any of that make sense?  Early and long day = tired brain.
    This isn't true in all states, there's some really bizarre case law surrounding this topic (which can come up if the couple married but one of them died before the license was filed).  I'm not 100% sure on this, but I'm fairly certain the answer is you're technically married as soon as you satisfy whatever the legal requirements of your state are (i.e. exchanging somber vows in front of an officiant), subject to the license being actually filed.
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    And some states don't require that the bride/groom sign the actual license. DH and I had to go to the courthouse together to file and sign for the license, but only the officiant had to sign and submit the license itself once the ceremony was performed. 
  • I believe once the ceremony is over with the bride and groom head to a room and have the officiant sign the license (in my state only the officiant needs to sign it, no one else).  In all honesty, the couple is not officially married until the license is sent in and processed, but the need of an officiant presiding over the ceremony and signing the license makes the couple about 99.9% married.  So I would say that when the officiant pronounces them man and wife the couple is basically married because you need the officiant to do the ceremony for them to even to consider signing the license.  

    Did any of that make sense?  Early and long day = tired brain.

    You know, @shrekspeare's question got me to thinking about our license.

    DH and I both signed the license at the District Clerk's office.  No vows, nothing else, we just had to sign it in front of the official (I presume since we'd already proven we were the people who's names were listed on the license?).  There was, of course, a HUGE empty signature line that needed to be filled out; the officiant's space.  He, of course, was responsible for signing THAT line once he'd performed the ceremony AND he was the one responsible for sending it in (with the nice little envelope the Clerk's office provided).

    But then, thinking back to my bestie's wedding; she and her husband didn't sign their license (or some official looking paperwork) until the day of their wedding with their clergyman (I signed as a witness as did the BM).  Different counties, different rules?  Or, perhaps what I signed was something that she'd paid extra for to keep and frame at their home (it seems like I remember that being an option when we got our license as well).


    Soooo...I guess the parties involved can SIGN the sucker, but it's not "legit" until the person performing the ceremony signs it?  Or is this yet ANOTHER instance where Texas is just all sorts of weirdness? 

  • @shrekspeare; thank you.  Believe me, we NEED the condolences.  It's either going to get MUCH worse (fuckyouverymuch Greg Abbot), or better (#TeamWendyDavis!). 

    I'm scared it's going to get worse.  :(
  • phiraphira member
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    This led to me to actually check my state's marriage license stuff (we're so far out that we hadn't bothered checking yet). It takes 3 days to get a license after applying for one, you must both apply in person (although you can have someone else pick up the license for your), and the license is good for 60 days (after applying, not after it's issued). The couple doesn't sign the license; the officiant does. The officiant fills out all the relevant info, and must bring the license BACK to the city/town hall that issued the license. You can get married in any town or city in the state.

    Super cool. So basically, in my state, I'm not signing my marriage license.
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  • SarahWins said:
    I'm libertarian. Rights are not given by the government, they are intrinsic to our humanity.
    But…you're wrong. They ARE given by the government.

    Whether you think they should or should not is totally beside the point.

    So your right to life is something given to you by the government? As in, it's perfectly ok if they just take it away from you. Same with your marriage? If they decide to no longer legally recognize marriages are you just going to stop considering that you're married?
    You know...there are some brides on this forum who DESPERATELY wish they could be married, but cannot because of the government....just...no words...
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  • Yeah different states and counties have different rules regarding marriage licenses.  In my county we didn't have to sign the license, there wasn't even a place for our signature, just for our officiant.  But in other states the couple needs to sign it along with witnesses and the officiant.  But the license isn't official until the officiant signs it because only the officiant can deem you 'man and wife."  Some sort of ceremony needs to take place in front of an officiant (judge, priest, whatever) whether that be a huge one hour church ceremony or a simple 5 second "are you both doing this of your own free will" type thing and that officiant needs to sign the license.

  • In most states, both parties (bride/groom/partner/etc.) both have to sign the license APPLICATION.  Then, the license is issued, and the officiant performing the ceremony signs the LICENSE.  Once the officiant signs the license, the marriage is considered valid and legally binding.   It becomes legally recognized once the officiant files the executed license with the county clerk's office.

    If someone gets their license and has a JOP ceremony, the JOP files it immediately with the clerk and it's legally valid, and recognized immediately, because the JOP is the officiant. 

     

  • Oh dear.

    You are not traditional nor a libertarian. You're acting like you're some sort of rebel on par with MLK or something (while still traditional!) and it's a joke and a slap to the face. 

    Curious to your thoughts on feminism as well. 

    Oh I'm on a budget too and rather than cutting out bridal party I'm putting in some damn effort and making my own flowers. 

    I do understanding getting the license ahead of time- it's not ideal, but I get it. We have friends that got married in Mexico yesterday and they did that and I can't say I'm getting my undies in a twist over it. I'd do the same- but then again, the hassle involved is why we aren't having a DW. If you can go through the hassle of a DW, you can go through the hassle of getting your license done on the day you get married.

     You said yourself though you're doing it for tax reasons, which is a whole different story. It's immature, rude, and a sham. 

    And like others said, why do the legal part if you don't believe in government? Oh wait, you do, when it's convenient for you. 
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  • FWIW, both H and I had to sign our marriage license with our names "as they would be known." the officiant also had to sign it and write in all her stuff basically saying she was allowed by the state to marry us. We did all of this directly after the ceremony. We also took our license to the clerk the next day; our officiant didn't send it in (though they typically do). And we lost the marriage license the night of our wedding, do we almost had a reverse PPD. Whoops.
  • @SBmini, as has been hashed and rehashed on the thread over on Etiquette, there is no reason that a couple (at least in the U.S.) "cannot" have both the legal and the 'symbolic' marriage take place simultaneously. And really, there's no reason OP or anyone else "cannot" have a legally binding wedding in Mexico or any destination. There is more work to be done, true, but just skipping that and lying to one's friends and family (and making them pay lots of money to attend what is essentially a piece of theatre and not terribly entertaining theatre at that) is inappropriate and insulting to many people.
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  • Yes, when I dreamt of my wedding I dreamt of saying my vows in front of my family and friends, not getting the licensed signed. BUT, I also never once thought it appropriate to get that piece of paper signed months before or heck, even the day before our wedding date, because then we would already be married and us saying our vows in front of our friends and family would be an act. For me, my wedding day was the day I not only symbolically married my H but also the day that we legally became a unit. To split those two things up and to not think of the legal aspect as just as important if not more important then the symbolic portion is completely crazy to me.

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