New Knot Gods?

Swazzle · March 2014

When they started recruiting the Secret Mods, I was the one to out them all over TK and I only got a warning so you're probably fine, @AprilH81!

[Deleted User] · March 2014

Hey! We made sure to make an introduction on the local boards before the Concierge Team started to post. We changed their username to @TKConcierge to avoid confusion.

Stay tuned for a post on TK Tech Help which will explain what what The Knot Concierge is all about.

Thanks,

KP

AprilH81 · March 2014

shrekspeare said:

KnotPorscha said:

Hey! We made sure to make an introduction on the local boards before the Concierge Team started to post. We changed their username to @TKConcierge to avoid confusion.

Stay tuned for a post on TK Tech Help which will explain what what The Knot Concierge is all about.

Thanks,

KP
Whoa. Site glitch?

When I quoted it the first time it said "Unknown" and there was no text... I copied and pasted it so I didn't look like I was a crazy person.

MairePoppy · March 2014

KnotPorscha said:

Hey! We made sure to make an introduction on the local boards before the Concierge Team started to post. We changed their username to @TKConcierge to avoid confusion.

Stay tuned for a post on TK Tech Help which will explain what what The Knot Concierge is all about.

Thanks,
KP

Can you answer the questions in this thread? I would like to know if the vendor recommendations will be based on paid advertisers or will the concierges research them? And what about the etiquette questions?

JCbride2015 · March 2014

I'm completely confused. The "introduction" doesn't explain at all whether the concierges are local or where they get their recommendations from. And if they will be spouting some of that horrible etiquette advice found in the TK mag.... just no.

Cookie Pusher · March 2014

I'm curious why assigning concierges was a higher priority than assigning mods?

HisGirlFriday13 · March 2014

OK, y'all, I left for an afternoon meeting and I came back to this shitstorm. WTF is going on??

First we have quasi-Knot people with @knot usernames who are going to make vendor (presumably favoured vendors who paid for it) recommendations because they're 'experts.'

Then they all went away and now we have @KnotConcierge, which may or may not be a real user.

@KnotPorscha, we really needed and deserved a better explanation than the one we're getting here.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass, but half the time when we need a KG we have to page you all over and over again; there is STILL no tech support fix on zombie threads (although apparently some of the KCs were replying on zombie threads); but you have time to roll out 'The Knot Concierge Service' that involves your supposed 'experts' giving advice and recommendations.

If your Knot Concierge people are all based in your KG mothership, then they cannot possibly be local to the boards they're posting on, meaning the vendors they're recommending have to be TK preferred vendors.

JCbride2015 · March 2014

Cookie Pusher said:

I'm curious why assigning concierges was a higher priority than assigning mods?

Advertising revenue probably.

MairePoppy · March 2014

Cookie Pusher said:

I'm curious why assigning concierges was a higher priority than assigning mods?

HobokensFury · March 2014

Here we go again. Wouldn't it be nice to get mods back instead of stupid shit like this?

JuliaPlusDoug · March 2014

OK - I am a little confused as to why everyone is so upset about the Concierge Team being available to help them with their wedding woes and questions. If you don't trust The Knot, why are you on this site to begin with?

I have been working with someone from the Concierge Team via the chat option for months on my wedding and she has been truly invaluable. She is the sweetest person, so professional, and always treats me with respect. Not to mention she has created countless color palettes for me (because I can't make up my mind), sent me countless links with ideas for everything from décor to shoes, and she practically planned out my honey moon by giving me a PDF file listed with tons of options from hotels to restaurants to fun and unique things to do in the area. She has never once tried to push a product or a vendor on me. She has been my sounding board when I am stressed and constantly on my side. She even created me a "stress less list" with all the things I told her are important to me and a goal date to complete them by. I could go on and on about how much help I have received and how much of a weight off my shoulders it has been to have a neutral party to bounce ideas off of. Your family and friends have an interest in imposing their opinion on your wedding, but my Concierge is completely unbiased and she totally gets my style. After all she has done for me and all we have discussed, I think of her a good friend of mine.

So forgive me, but I believe some of you are being a little close-minded and too skeptical about this. At least listen to what the Team has to say. You can take or leave the advice. There are no Knot Zombies forcing you to choose the vendors they suggest or like the color palettes they create. From experience, they are not selling you anything except how to make your wedding better or how to better deal with the stress and stay organized. And they are doing this all for free and with a friendly attitude. Where else can you find that??? I seriously feel like I should be paying my concierge. I think you all would be surprised if you just gave it a chance.

Swazzle · March 2014

JuliaPlusDoug said:

OK - I am a little confused as to why everyone is so upset about the Concierge Team being available to help them with their wedding woes and questions. If you don't trust The Knot, why are you on this site to begin with?

I have been working with someone from the Concierge Team via the chat option for months on my wedding and she has been truly invaluable. She is the sweetest person, so professional, and always treats me with respect. Not to mention she has created countless color palettes for me (because I can't make up my mind), sent me countless links with ideas for everything from décor to shoes, and she practically planned out my honey moon by giving me a PDF file listed with tons of options from hotels to restaurants to fun and unique things to do in the area. She has never once tried to push a product or a vendor on me. She has been my sounding board when I am stressed and constantly on my side. She even created me a "stress less list" with all the things I told her are important to me and a goal date to complete them by. I could go on and on about how much help I have received and how much of a weight off my shoulders it has been to have a neutral party to bounce ideas off of. Your family and friends have an interest in imposing their opinion on your wedding, but my Concierge is completely unbiased and she totally gets my style. After all she has done for me and all we have discussed, I think of her a good friend of mine.

So forgive me, but I believe some of you are being a little close-minded and too skeptical about this. At least listen to what the Team has to say. You can take or leave the advice. There are no Knot Zombies forcing you to choose the vendors they suggest or like the color palettes they create. From experience, they are not selling you anything except how to make your wedding better or how to better deal with the stress and stay organized. And they are doing this all for free and with a friendly attitude. Where else can you find that??? I seriously feel like I should be paying my concierge. I think you all would be surprised if you just gave it a chance.

You must be new around here......

JCbride2015 · March 2014

JuliaPlusDoug said:

OK - I am a little confused as to why everyone is so upset about the Concierge Team being available to help them with their wedding woes and questions. If you don't trust The Knot, why are you on this site to begin with?

I have been working with someone from the Concierge Team via the chat option for months on my wedding and she has been truly invaluable. She is the sweetest person, so professional, and always treats me with respect. Not to mention she has created countless color palettes for me (because I can't make up my mind), sent me countless links with ideas for everything from décor to shoes, and she practically planned out my honey moon by giving me a PDF file listed with tons of options from hotels to restaurants to fun and unique things to do in the area. She has never once tried to push a product or a vendor on me. She has been my sounding board when I am stressed and constantly on my side. She even created me a "stress less list" with all the things I told her are important to me and a goal date to complete them by. I could go on and on about how much help I have received and how much of a weight off my shoulders it has been to have a neutral party to bounce ideas off of. Your family and friends have an interest in imposing their opinion on your wedding, but my Concierge is completely unbiased and she totally gets my style. After all she has done for me and all we have discussed, I think of her a good friend of mine.

So forgive me, but I believe some of you are being a little close-minded and too skeptical about this. At least listen to what the Team has to say. You can take or leave the advice. There are no Knot Zombies forcing you to choose the vendors they suggest or like the color palettes they create. From experience, they are not selling you anything except how to make your wedding better or how to better deal with the stress and stay organized. And they are doing this all for free and with a friendly attitude. Where else can you find that??? I seriously feel like I should be paying my concierge. I think you all would be surprised if you just gave it a chance.

It's not necessarily that we think the concierges are meanies or whatever. It's that we really need mods on these forums, and it's frustrating to see TK spending resources on the forum for other things.

Knot Zombies wasn't a reference to concierges forcing anything-- we call old threads "zombie threads" when someone posts on them years later, looking for an OP who is long gone. Apparently concierges were doing this, which is really annoying.

I don't trust TK as a corporate entity, not really. I'm on this forum because for whatever reason, a community has developed here that promotes good etiquette, a sane approach to wedding planning, and has a lot of smart, interesting people I have grown to really like. But I don't read TK Mag or the website articles because a lot of them promote selfish behavior and terrible etiquette.

AprilH81 · March 2014

JuliaPlusDoug said:

OK - I am a little confused as to why everyone is so upset about the Concierge Team being available to help them with their wedding woes and questions. If you don't trust The Knot, why are you on this site to begin with?

I have been working with someone from the Concierge Team via the chat option for months on my wedding and she has been truly invaluable. She is the sweetest person, so professional, and always treats me with respect. Not to mention she has created countless color palettes for me (because I can't make up my mind), sent me countless links with ideas for everything from décor to shoes, and she practically planned out my honey moon by giving me a PDF file listed with tons of options from hotels to restaurants to fun and unique things to do in the area. She has never once tried to push a product or a vendor on me. She has been my sounding board when I am stressed and constantly on my side. She even created me a "stress less list" with all the things I told her are important to me and a goal date to complete them by. I could go on and on about how much help I have received and how much of a weight off my shoulders it has been to have a neutral party to bounce ideas off of. Your family and friends have an interest in imposing their opinion on your wedding, but my Concierge is completely unbiased and she totally gets my style. After all she has done for me and all we have discussed, I think of her a good friend of mine.

So forgive me, but I believe some of you are being a little close-minded and too skeptical about this. At least listen to what the Team has to say. You can take or leave the advice. There are no Knot Zombies forcing you to choose the vendors they suggest or like the color palettes they create. From experience, they are not selling you anything except how to make your wedding better or how to better deal with the stress and stay organized. And they are doing this all for free and with a friendly attitude. Where else can you find that??? I seriously feel like I should be paying my concierge. I think you all would be surprised if you just gave it a chance.

It isn't that we mind that they exist, we DO mind (at least I do) that we don't know what their jobs really are and how they make recommendations and and if they are even local to the area they are helping with.

ANYONE can help with picking colors, honeymoon logistics and sending pictures of shoes. You need someone UNBIASED (or at least acknowledge that they can only recommend TK vendors) and LOCAL to give you the scoops about venues, DJs and photographers.

Would your opinion change if you realize that all of the suggestions she made to you were not to help you out but to make TK more money? What if you found out that they only sent you pictures of shoes from brands that paid them money to advertise? Wouldn't that make you feel icky?

We don't know HOW they operate and that causes a lot of us concern.

ETA: I also find it suspicious you only have 3 posts, none of them on the main boards and suddenly you find THIS thread?!?

daria24 · March 2014

JuliaPlusDoug said:

OK - I am a little confused as to why everyone is so upset about the Concierge Team being available to help them with their wedding woes and questions. If you don't trust The Knot, why are you on this site to begin with?

I have been working with someone from the Concierge Team via the chat option for months on my wedding and she has been truly invaluable. She is the sweetest person, so professional, and always treats me with respect. Not to mention she has created countless color palettes for me (because I can't make up my mind), sent me countless links with ideas for everything from décor to shoes, and she practically planned out my honey moon by giving me a PDF file listed with tons of options from hotels to restaurants to fun and unique things to do in the area. She has never once tried to push a product or a vendor on me. She has been my sounding board when I am stressed and constantly on my side. She even created me a "stress less list" with all the things I told her are important to me and a goal date to complete them by. I could go on and on about how much help I have received and how much of a weight off my shoulders it has been to have a neutral party to bounce ideas off of. Your family and friends have an interest in imposing their opinion on your wedding, but my Concierge is completely unbiased and she totally gets my style. After all she has done for me and all we have discussed, I think of her a good friend of mine.

So forgive me, but I believe some of you are being a little close-minded and too skeptical about this. At least listen to what the Team has to say. You can take or leave the advice. There are no Knot Zombies forcing you to choose the vendors they suggest or like the color palettes they create. From experience, they are not selling you anything except how to make your wedding better or how to better deal with the stress and stay organized. And they are doing this all for free and with a friendly attitude. Where else can you find that??? I seriously feel like I should be paying my concierge. I think you all would be surprised if you just gave it a chance.

I don't have an issue with TK offering a Concierge service that brides can contact to bounce ideas off of, ask questions, etc.

I do have a problem with someone posting on their local board for a make up artist recommendation and TK Concierge replying with a list of people that have PAID them to recommend them, versus actual customers (aka TK users) giving feedback on their own experience with vendors. Especially if TK isn't being transparent that these recommendations are sponsored posts.

hikebikebemerry · March 2014

If they are promoting vendors who have paid, just say so. People get that TK is a business, but it is important to know what the metric is for vendor recommendations.

Seriously, just saying, "THESE VENDORS GAVE US CASH MONIES!" is much better than being secretive, IMHO.

[Deleted User] · March 2014

Hi Knotties,

Feel free to check out the intro post here: http://forums.theknot.com/discussion/1016174/the-knot-concierge

Enjoy your weekend!!

KP

pumpkinsandturkeys · March 2014

JuliaPlusDoug said:

OK - I am a little confused as to why everyone is so upset about the Concierge Team being available to help them with their wedding woes and questions. If you don't trust The Knot, why are you on this site to begin with?

I have been working with someone from the Concierge Team via the chat option for months on my wedding and she has been truly invaluable. She is the sweetest person, so professional, and always treats me with respect. Not to mention she has created countless color palettes for me (because I can't make up my mind), sent me countless links with ideas for everything from décor to shoes, and she practically planned out my honey moon by giving me a PDF file listed with tons of options from hotels to restaurants to fun and unique things to do in the area. She has never once tried to push a product or a vendor on me. She has been my sounding board when I am stressed and constantly on my side. She even created me a "stress less list" with all the things I told her are important to me and a goal date to complete them by. I could go on and on about how much help I have received and how much of a weight off my shoulders it has been to have a neutral party to bounce ideas off of. Your family and friends have an interest in imposing their opinion on your wedding, but my Concierge is completely unbiased and she totally gets my style. After all she has done for me and all we have discussed, I think of her a good friend of mine.

So forgive me, but I believe some of you are being a little close-minded and too skeptical about this. At least listen to what the Team has to say. You can take or leave the advice. There are no Knot Zombies forcing you to choose the vendors they suggest or like the color palettes they create. From experience, they are not selling you anything except how to make your wedding better or how to better deal with the stress and stay organized. And they are doing this all for free and with a friendly attitude. Where else can you find that??? I seriously feel like I should be paying my concierge. I think you all would be surprised if you just gave it a chance.

How can you have been working with a KC for months if this is something they're just introducing now?

Also, my (limited) understanding of them is that they're not meant to be your personal wedding planner (or bridesbitch, from the way you make it sound). And how is she YOUR concierge? There are supposedly only three of them (or were, since everything is changing every 30 seconds), and I doubt they have enough time and manpower to hand-hold every SS out there, especially considering that we can't even get TOS violations addressed in a timely manner.

[Deleted User] · March 2014

If you have any specific questions/concerns about TK Concierge, you can PM me or ask them here. You can page TKConcierge if you live in one of the listed cities and want to need someone to bounce wedding planning ideas off of. They are only on local boards.

Hope this helps!

KP

AddieCake · March 2014

So only certain cities get a special helper?

How did you find these concierges?

Was there cake at the interview?

AddieCake · March 2014

pumpkinsandturkeys said:

JuliaPlusDoug said:

OK - I am a little confused as to why everyone is so upset about the Concierge Team being available to help them with their wedding woes and questions. If you don't trust The Knot, why are you on this site to begin with?

I have been working with someone from the Concierge Team via the chat option for months on my wedding and she has been truly invaluable. She is the sweetest person, so professional, and always treats me with respect. Not to mention she has created countless color palettes for me (because I can't make up my mind), sent me countless links with ideas for everything from décor to shoes, and she practically planned out my honey moon by giving me a PDF file listed with tons of options from hotels to restaurants to fun and unique things to do in the area. She has never once tried to push a product or a vendor on me. She has been my sounding board when I am stressed and constantly on my side. She even created me a "stress less list" with all the things I told her are important to me and a goal date to complete them by. I could go on and on about how much help I have received and how much of a weight off my shoulders it has been to have a neutral party to bounce ideas off of. Your family and friends have an interest in imposing their opinion on your wedding, but my Concierge is completely unbiased and she totally gets my style. After all she has done for me and all we have discussed, I think of her a good friend of mine.

So forgive me, but I believe some of you are being a little close-minded and too skeptical about this. At least listen to what the Team has to say. You can take or leave the advice. There are no Knot Zombies forcing you to choose the vendors they suggest or like the color palettes they create. From experience, they are not selling you anything except how to make your wedding better or how to better deal with the stress and stay organized. And they are doing this all for free and with a friendly attitude. Where else can you find that??? I seriously feel like I should be paying my concierge. I think you all would be surprised if you just gave it a chance.

How can you have been working with a KC for months if this is something they're just introducing now?

I wondered this, too. Methinks this poster is a KG AE.

KPBM89 · March 2014

HFS I haven't been on much today, but thank you ladies for bringing this up! Sounds super sketch. Also, that rando post can't possibly be true if this is a new concept.

I'll be waiting to see how this plays out, popcorn in one hand, wine in the other.

KPBM89 · March 2014

Also, "doing this for free" cannot be true either since they work at TK according to KP. Nice try, but if you know TK boards, you should know that we aren't stupid.

photokitty · March 2014

shrekspeare said:

KnotPorscha said:

If you have any specific questions/concerns about TK Concierge, you can PM me or ask them here. You can page TKConcierge if you live in one of the listed cities and want to need someone to bounce wedding planning ideas off of. They are only on local boards.

Hope this helps!

KP

Great! I have a few questions:

-How were the members on the TKConcierge chosen?
-How did the members compile the information they're providing?
-Have any of the members used these specific vendors?
-What is the criteria to become a recommended vendor?
-Where will the Concierges be pulling their Etiquette advice from?

She said they work at TK HQ. My guess is they are interns - there are intern jobs posted currently. Or they are other worker bees who had the job assigned to them. They are not members who were elevated to a magical status. They are paid staff.

I never saw anything saying they would comment on etiquette or general wedding stuff. Just that they will offer recommendations for vendors - but I could be wrong.

I think we all need to simmer down a little.

@knotporscha this has obviously hit a hot spot, maybe you could offer some clarification before the villagers get too restless

Perhaps the concierges could have a disclaimer in their signature that states they do not have personal experience with vendors they are suggesting??

photokitty · March 2014

alterante ego = ae

singinchick13 · March 2014

For people who need their hands held and eyes blindfolded throughout the entire planning process....TK Concierge will do it for you

For real, though, this does seem a bit odd when there are hundreds of unbiased opinions on here from all over the place that new users can take advice from. Just saying. Oh and they don't get paid, it's from the kindness of their hearts

HisGirlFriday13 · March 2014

pumpkinsandturkeys said:

JuliaPlusDoug said:

OK - I am a little confused as to why everyone is so upset about the Concierge Team being available to help them with their wedding woes and questions. If you don't trust The Knot, why are you on this site to begin with?

I have been working with someone from the Concierge Team via the chat option for months on my wedding and she has been truly invaluable. She is the sweetest person, so professional, and always treats me with respect. Not to mention she has created countless color palettes for me (because I can't make up my mind), sent me countless links with ideas for everything from décor to shoes, and she practically planned out my honey moon by giving me a PDF file listed with tons of options from hotels to restaurants to fun and unique things to do in the area. She has never once tried to push a product or a vendor on me. She has been my sounding board when I am stressed and constantly on my side. She even created me a "stress less list" with all the things I told her are important to me and a goal date to complete them by. I could go on and on about how much help I have received and how much of a weight off my shoulders it has been to have a neutral party to bounce ideas off of. Your family and friends have an interest in imposing their opinion on your wedding, but my Concierge is completely unbiased and she totally gets my style. After all she has done for me and all we have discussed, I think of her a good friend of mine.

So forgive me, but I believe some of you are being a little close-minded and too skeptical about this. At least listen to what the Team has to say. You can take or leave the advice. There are no Knot Zombies forcing you to choose the vendors they suggest or like the color palettes they create. From experience, they are not selling you anything except how to make your wedding better or how to better deal with the stress and stay organized. And they are doing this all for free and with a friendly attitude. Where else can you find that??? I seriously feel like I should be paying my concierge. I think you all would be surprised if you just gave it a chance.

How can you have been working with a KC for months if this is something they're just introducing now?

Also, my (limited) understanding of them is that they're not meant to be your personal wedding planner (or bridesbitch, from the way you make it sound). And how is she YOUR concierge? There are supposedly only three of them (or were, since everything is changing every 30 seconds), and I doubt they have enough time and manpower to hand-hold every SS out there, especially considering that we can't even get TOS violations addressed in a timely manner.

SO. MUCH. THIS. How can you have been working with one for months if they're supposedly new??

I'm suspicious that you've posted so little and you're only on this thread.

KGs (yes, I know they all went home for the weekend so we will be left with no answers until at least Monday), I don't give a damn if you have sponsored vendors or even sponsored posts -- Twitter and FB have those. But I do wonder what you're plan of action is for when one of these vendors you're promoting royally fucks over a Knottie bride and she comes back here to bitch.

Then what?

pumpkinsandturkeys · March 2014

HisGirlFriday13 said:

JuliaPlusDoug said:

OK - I am a little confused as to why everyone is so upset about the Concierge Team being available to help them with their wedding woes and questions. If you don't trust The Knot, why are you on this site to begin with?

I have been working with someone from the Concierge Team via the chat option for months on my wedding and she has been truly invaluable. She is the sweetest person, so professional, and always treats me with respect. Not to mention she has created countless color palettes for me (because I can't make up my mind), sent me countless links with ideas for everything from décor to shoes, and she practically planned out my honey moon by giving me a PDF file listed with tons of options from hotels to restaurants to fun and unique things to do in the area. She has never once tried to push a product or a vendor on me. She has been my sounding board when I am stressed and constantly on my side. She even created me a "stress less list" with all the things I told her are important to me and a goal date to complete them by. I could go on and on about how much help I have received and how much of a weight off my shoulders it has been to have a neutral party to bounce ideas off of. Your family and friends have an interest in imposing their opinion on your wedding, but my Concierge is completely unbiased and she totally gets my style. After all she has done for me and all we have discussed, I think of her a good friend of mine.

So forgive me, but I believe some of you are being a little close-minded and too skeptical about this. At least listen to what the Team has to say. You can take or leave the advice. There are no Knot Zombies forcing you to choose the vendors they suggest or like the color palettes they create. From experience, they are not selling you anything except how to make your wedding better or how to better deal with the stress and stay organized. And they are doing this all for free and with a friendly attitude. Where else can you find that??? I seriously feel like I should be paying my concierge. I think you all would be surprised if you just gave it a chance.

How can you have been working with a KC for months if this is something they're just introducing now?

Also, my (limited) understanding of them is that they're not meant to be your personal wedding planner (or bridesbitch, from the way you make it sound). And how is she YOUR concierge? There are supposedly only three of them (or were, since everything is changing every 30 seconds), and I doubt they have enough time and manpower to hand-hold every SS out there, especially considering that we can't even get TOS violations addressed in a timely manner.
SO. MUCH. THIS. How can you have been working with one for months if they're supposedly new?? I'm suspicious that you've posted so little and you're only on this thread. KGs (yes, I know they all went home for the weekend so we will be left with no answers until at least Monday), I don't give a damn if you have sponsored vendors or even sponsored posts -- Twitter and FB have those. But I do wonder what you're plan of action is for when one of these vendors you're promoting royally fucks over a Knottie bride and she comes back here to bitch. Then what?

EXACTLY. If you want to have TK employees promote paying vendors on the boards, it's your prerogative to do so (I'm not a fan, but whatevs) -- this is your website and we're all just visitors. And if the vendors are paying for it and that's a perk of the fee they pay (which I know for a fact is exorbitant), then fine.

But don't be sneaky about it. Be upfront. Let us know if they're employees/interns with no affiliation/relationship to these vendors other than TK. We'll either pay attention to them or not, based on how we feel about it. But give us the choice. Don't act like it's anything more than a business relationship that TK has with certain vendors. Don't try to act as though they're impartial or acting in the bride's best interest as an unbiased source of information.

JoanE2012 · March 2014

@KnotPorscha - We don't need concierge on this website. That is pretty much what most of the regular members do here on a daily basis! They will recommend their vendors on their local board, provide help with matching attire and accessories, give opinions on which menus sound the yummiest, help with color coordination, etc.

You say concierge members are not paid by vendors or affiliated with them in any way and that they make recommendations based upon bride's budget and what works for them. How does that even make sense? So it's more than likely that the concierge member has never stepped foot in the venue nor have they tasted the food. How exactly does that help a bride? Budget is just one piece of the venue selection criteria.

Instead, how about we bring back mods?

zitiqueen · March 2014

I don't know how the Knot chat feature works, but I would ass-you-me that one would need to be a registered Knot user in order to utilize it. How could somebody register this month but have been using the chat feature "for months" with a KC whose existence nobody knew about before today?

I could be wrong about having to be a registered user.

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