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Re: Would you side eye this ? NWR

  • I would absolutely side eye this IF the information was given before someone asked. It absolutely comes across as presumptuous otherwise. To me, it's like putting registry info on a wedding invitation, as opposed to a shower. The point of a shower is to give gifts. The point of a birthday party is to celebrate the kid having survived another year, not to get the kid loot from their parents' friends.
    Like a wedding, I wouldn't show up empty handed, but I know enough to ask what the kid is into this year.
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  • edited July 2014
    I wouldn't think anything of it. I always bring a gift to a kid's birthday party, and sizes/interests can vary a lot (plus some parents vehemently hate princesses, ban gun-like toys, etc). It's not like she's asking for specific gifts for herself, it's suggestions for kids.

    ETA and more likely than not, the kids don't even know the list is out there to get any sense of entitlement from it. At least I hope a 4 year old isn't on Facebook.

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  • I would actually go up to the kids' mother and say to her, "Look, I know that people will side-eye you for putting some gift suggestions in the Facebook invitation, but I don't have brothers/sisters/nieces/nephews/kids of my own and I have no idea on my own what to get an 11 year old and a 4 year old.  So thanks from me, and you can just shrug off the side-eyers."
  • daria24 said:
    Meh, it would depend on how specific it is. "John is a size 7, and he loves Spiderman, My Little Ponies, and mystery books?" It wouldn't bother me. 

    "John is a size 7 and here is an Amazon wish list of 50 toys he wants?" Side-eye.
    Exactly this. Hell if I can keep track of all my friend's kids and their interests, so a hint in the right direction would be welcome. But if I got an actual list, that kid would get something totally off-the-wall. "Hey kiddo, your mom handed me a list of expensive, developmentally-challenging educational woo-woo toys that I was told I had to pick from, so here's a 24 pack of play-doh. Be sure to smush it into the carpet as deeply as you can".

    That's the difference.
  • I would actually go up to the kids' mother and say to her, "Look, I know that people will side-eye you for putting some gift suggestions in the Facebook invitation, but I don't have brothers/sisters/nieces/nephews/kids of my own and I have no idea on my own what to get an 11 year old and a 4 year old.  So thanks from me, and you can just shrug off the side-eyers."
    I would not say that. Mom doesn't need to second-guess if a few tips are rude and everyone is talking about her. To me, that's like going up to your friend and saying "well I know other people think you dress like a slut, but I think it's great how confident you are, and I say rock it!"

    All she hears is "everyone thinks you're a slut".
  • doeydodoeydo member
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    I would actually go up to the kids' mother and say to her, "Look, I know that people will side-eye you for putting some gift suggestions in the Facebook invitation, but I don't have brothers/sisters/nieces/nephews/kids of my own and I have no idea on my own what to get an 11 year old and a 4 year old.  So thanks from me, and you can just shrug off the side-eyers."
    But the point is you could have just asked if you wanted to.  She shouldn't just give the information to every single person.
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  • doeydo said:
    I would actually go up to the kids' mother and say to her, "Look, I know that people will side-eye you for putting some gift suggestions in the Facebook invitation, but I don't have brothers/sisters/nieces/nephews/kids of my own and I have no idea on my own what to get an 11 year old and a 4 year old.  So thanks from me, and you can just shrug off the side-eyers."
    But the point is you could have just asked if you wanted to.  She shouldn't just give the information to every single person.
    You're not forced to do anything with that information though. Just ignore it if you want to. 

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  • mysticl said:
    doeydo said:
    I would actually go up to the kids' mother and say to her, "Look, I know that people will side-eye you for putting some gift suggestions in the Facebook invitation, but I don't have brothers/sisters/nieces/nephews/kids of my own and I have no idea on my own what to get an 11 year old and a 4 year old.  So thanks from me, and you can just shrug off the side-eyers."
    But the point is you could have just asked if you wanted to.  She shouldn't just give the information to every single person.
    You're not forced to do anything with that information though. Just ignore it if you want to. 
    Just like a wedding or baby registry that the majority of people think are perfectly acceptable.  
    That's exactly my thought. It's not okay on a wedding invitation, but it's okay on a birthday invitation? Is it because the people in question are children or because it was a Facebook invitation?
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  • mysticl said:
    doeydo said:
    I would actually go up to the kids' mother and say to her, "Look, I know that people will side-eye you for putting some gift suggestions in the Facebook invitation, but I don't have brothers/sisters/nieces/nephews/kids of my own and I have no idea on my own what to get an 11 year old and a 4 year old.  So thanks from me, and you can just shrug off the side-eyers."
    But the point is you could have just asked if you wanted to.  She shouldn't just give the information to every single person.
    You're not forced to do anything with that information though. Just ignore it if you want to. 
    Just like a wedding or baby registry that the majority of people think are perfectly acceptable.  
    That's exactly my thought. It's not okay on a wedding invitation, but it's okay on a birthday invitation? Is it because the people in question are children or because it was a Facebook invitation?
    To me it's because a Facebook invite is more interactive.  The host can post updates and guests can ask questions.  I see it as more like a wedding website and registry information gets posted on those.
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  • mysticl said:
    mysticl said:
    doeydo said:
    I would actually go up to the kids' mother and say to her, "Look, I know that people will side-eye you for putting some gift suggestions in the Facebook invitation, but I don't have brothers/sisters/nieces/nephews/kids of my own and I have no idea on my own what to get an 11 year old and a 4 year old.  So thanks from me, and you can just shrug off the side-eyers."
    But the point is you could have just asked if you wanted to.  She shouldn't just give the information to every single person.
    You're not forced to do anything with that information though. Just ignore it if you want to. 
    Just like a wedding or baby registry that the majority of people think are perfectly acceptable.  
    That's exactly my thought. It's not okay on a wedding invitation, but it's okay on a birthday invitation? Is it because the people in question are children or because it was a Facebook invitation?
    To me it's because a Facebook invite is more interactive.  The host can post updates and guests can ask questions.  I see it as more like a wedding website and registry information gets posted on those.
    I don't think, in this case, it's the same thing. A wedding website is a supplement to the wedding invitation. A place to post more information that could be helpful to the guests. In this case, the Facebook post was IN the invitation.
    Had a guest commented and asked for ideas, then I can see a follow-up comment making sense. That's not what happened here since the information was offered up before anyone even asked.

    I personally don't think that just because it's on Facebook makes it okay. What about a mass email or Google document to the family? "The Smith family would like to invite you all to Christmas/Chanukah/Kwanzaa/Whatever dinner. It is being held at our house at promptly 6pm. Johnny and Susie are sizes X and Y. He likes trains and she prefers My Little Pony and coloring books."



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  • mysticl said:
    mysticl said:
    doeydo said:
    I would actually go up to the kids' mother and say to her, "Look, I know that people will side-eye you for putting some gift suggestions in the Facebook invitation, but I don't have brothers/sisters/nieces/nephews/kids of my own and I have no idea on my own what to get an 11 year old and a 4 year old.  So thanks from me, and you can just shrug off the side-eyers."
    But the point is you could have just asked if you wanted to.  She shouldn't just give the information to every single person.
    You're not forced to do anything with that information though. Just ignore it if you want to. 
    Just like a wedding or baby registry that the majority of people think are perfectly acceptable.  
    That's exactly my thought. It's not okay on a wedding invitation, but it's okay on a birthday invitation? Is it because the people in question are children or because it was a Facebook invitation?
    To me it's because a Facebook invite is more interactive.  The host can post updates and guests can ask questions.  I see it as more like a wedding website and registry information gets posted on those.
    I don't think, in this case, it's the same thing. A wedding website is a supplement to the wedding invitation. A place to post more information that could be helpful to the guests. In this case, the Facebook post was IN the invitation.
    Had a guest commented and asked for ideas, then I can see a follow-up comment making sense. That's not what happened here since the information was offered up before anyone even asked.

    I personally don't think that just because it's on Facebook makes it okay. What about a mass email or Google document to the family? "The Smith family would like to invite you all to Christmas/Chanukah/Kwanzaa/Whatever dinner. It is being held at our house at promptly 6pm. Johnny and Susie are sizes X and Y. He likes trains and she prefers My Little Pony and coloring books."



    First Bold: Since we haven't seen the invite we don't know what it includes. Also, we don't know that it was before anyone asked. People could have asked via other forms of communication, possibly even suggested she include it in the Facebook invite.  

    Second Bold: A holiday dinner is not a gift giving event unless that is the tradition amongst that family/friend group. If it is their tradition then gifts would be exchanged between all the people invited or they would have some other system in place (only kids get gifts, secret Santa, white elephant, etc.).  And they probably wouldn't be opposed to knowing what the other guests like if their tradition is to give gifts to specific people. 
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  • mysticl said:




    doeydo said:



    I would actually go up to the kids' mother and say to her, "Look, I know that people will side-eye you for putting some gift suggestions in the Facebook invitation, but I don't have brothers/sisters/nieces/nephews/kids of my own and I have no idea on my own what to get an 11 year old and a 4 year old.  So thanks from me, and you can just shrug off the side-eyers."

    But the point is you could have just asked if you wanted to.  She shouldn't just give the information to every single person.



    You're not forced to do anything with that information though. Just ignore it if you want to. 

    Just like a wedding or baby registry that the majority of people think are perfectly acceptable.  


    That's exactly my thought. It's not okay on a wedding invitation, but it's okay on a birthday invitation? Is it because the people in question are children or because it was a Facebook invitation?


    I would equate it more to a shower invitation than a wedding invitation. You're not being invited to bear witness to a sacred ceremony, you're invited by a third party to a gift giving occasion. Add the fact that it's a child and that Facebook is less formal and more interactive/informational than a written invitation, and the only thing it's got in common with a wedding is the cake.

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  • I would side eye the ever loving hell out of this. Hardcore. Seriously, I'll pick out a gift myself, thank you, and if the kid doesn't express thanks, then he doesn't get any more gifts. It's never too soon to teach kids manners, and this is one of those things. Yes, a child's birthday party is a gift giving occasion, but so is a wedding and we always tell people they don't have a right to get a gift, any time. You approach it differently with kids, but it's the same concept.

    Also, birthdays and Christmas got so much easier for me after my nephew learned the value of a Target gift card. Niece learned it before she was potty trained (natural born shopper there, wonder who she got it from...).  The going shopping, picking something out (and using their math to stay on budget), and paying with their own card is part of the gift itself, and they love it. They love taking a picture of their choice with their mom's phone and texting it to me with a big thank you. Call it impersonal, but if I can help them get something they want and love, it all works out in the end.
  • +1 for depending how it's written

    If it's written "John is now wearing size 7 and really like pokemon, transformers, and spiderman" I'm not going to side-eye it, just like I don't side-eye registry info on bridal shower invites.

    If it's an actual registry or list of specific gifts I'm going to side-eye it hardcore because that's ridiculous.
  • @mysticl
    @lolo883

    Why is it that you both equate birthday parties to showers?
    The point of a shower is to shower the person with gifts. A time to help the bride (and/or groom) to set them up for the next step. This is why registries and things like this are acceptable.

    The point of a birthday party is to shower the person with gifts, too? Really? I disagree. I think it's a time to celebrate a person's life milestone. Like a wedding, where the point isn't to give gifts. This is why I don't feel gift information should be given on a birthday party invitation, which is what that Facebook post was.

    Traditionally holidays are gift giving events. Traditionally birthday parties are gift giving events. Neither events are held just so the person can get gifts, though. Well, they shouldn't be held just to get gifts. This is why I compared birthday parties with holiday parties. I can not fathom why anyone would equate birthday parties with showers. The events are just not held for the same reasons.
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  • @mysticl
    @lolo883

    Why is it that you both equate birthday parties to showers?
    The point of a shower is to shower the person with gifts. A time to help the bride (and/or groom) to set them up for the next step. This is why registries and things like this are acceptable.

    The point of a birthday party is to shower the person with gifts, too? Really? I disagree. I think it's a time to celebrate a person's life milestone. Like a wedding, where the point isn't to give gifts. This is why I don't feel gift information should be given on a birthday party invitation, which is what that Facebook post was.

    Traditionally holidays are gift giving events. Traditionally birthday parties are gift giving events. Neither events are held just so the person can get gifts, though. Well, they shouldn't be held just to get gifts. This is why I compared birthday parties with holiday parties. I can not fathom why anyone would equate birthday parties with showers. The events are just not held for the same reasons.

    I agree with this if you are over the age of say 18. But it's different for kids. How many birthday parties did you attend as a child that there were no gifts? If you have kids some day, do you really expect a party without any gifts? That is what you do for a child's party. Parents get gifts for the birthday child for their kid to bring

    Depending on each family though, you decide when to stop throwing big parties. For my family we do something cool at 13 (4-5 friends), then again something smaller at 16. Then we are are done, party wise. I don't think my older son got anything at either of his teenager parties, but he did for the ones before.

    I'm gonna go on a limb and say if the kid is in toy range age, then it's a gifting event. If your an adult, then it's not.
  • jenajjthr said:
    @mysticl
    @lolo883

    Why is it that you both equate birthday parties to showers?
    The point of a shower is to shower the person with gifts. A time to help the bride (and/or groom) to set them up for the next step. This is why registries and things like this are acceptable.

    The point of a birthday party is to shower the person with gifts, too? Really? I disagree. I think it's a time to celebrate a person's life milestone. Like a wedding, where the point isn't to give gifts. This is why I don't feel gift information should be given on a birthday party invitation, which is what that Facebook post was.

    Traditionally holidays are gift giving events. Traditionally birthday parties are gift giving events. Neither events are held just so the person can get gifts, though. Well, they shouldn't be held just to get gifts. This is why I compared birthday parties with holiday parties. I can not fathom why anyone would equate birthday parties with showers. The events are just not held for the same reasons.
    I agree with this if you are over the age of say 18. But it's different for kids. How many birthday parties did you attend as a child that there were no gifts? If you have kids some day, do you really expect a party without any gifts? That is what you do for a child's party. Parents get gifts for the birthday child for their kid to bring Depending on each family though, you decide when to stop throwing big parties. For my family we do something cool at 13 (4-5 friends), then again something smaller at 16. Then we are are done, party wise. I don't think my older son got anything at either of his teenager parties, but he did for the ones before. I'm gonna go on a limb and say if the kid is in toy range age, then it's a gifting event. If your an adult, then it's not.
    Right, there would most likely be gifts. Like at a wedding, how there are gifts. Or during the holidays, there would be gifts. But the point of a kid's birthday party isn't to get the kid gifts. (And if that was the point, then that's a whole other story lol.) But, anyway, that's why I equate childrens birthday parties with weddings, as opposed to wedding showers.
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  • lc07lc07 member
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    It's tacky because it's presumptuous. Agreed that gifts are not the point of a birthday party unlike showers so mentioning gifts is inappropriate.

    It's just as tacky as adults putting "no gifts please" on a birthday party invite.
  • I can't freaking believe Toys R Us has a birthday registry for KIDS. REALLY??!! 

    It freaks me out and gives me etiquette heebie jeebies. Just does. It's rude (in my VERY humble opinion)

    That being said, I have 2 kids, a girl who is 11, and a boy who will be 14 this moth. That being said, I got a LOT of kid bday parties under my belt.

    Whenever they were invited to a party, when I called to RSVP, I would ask the parent(s) if there was anything specific little Johnny or Jane would like to have. 

    If they say nothing in particular or something like that - I always let my kid pick out a gift they know for a fact their friend would dig, and I always placed a $20 limit on it. Just my thing throughout my kids' lives . . 
  • I would absolutely side eye this IF the information was given before someone asked. It absolutely comes across as presumptuous otherwise. To me, it's like putting registry info on a wedding invitation, as opposed to a shower. The point of a shower is to give gifts. The point of a birthday party is to celebrate the kid having survived another year, not to get the kid loot from their parents' friends.
    Like a wedding, I wouldn't show up empty handed, but I know enough to ask what the kid is into this year.
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    LMFAO @ the bolded in yellow part. OMG I am dying. I'm sorry - that is hilarious to me!!! 
     
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  • You bring a gift to a kid's birthday party. That's just the way it goes. It might be big, it might be small, but you bring one.

    I don't love the idea of including information on gifts. It feels impolite to me. However, as a guest and someone without kids, I'd love it and appreciate it. I recognize the conflict.

    My friend has twins and got so many questions about what to buy them that she created an Amazon wishlist. She didn't include it in the invitations for their last birthday party but told anyone who asked about it. She also added a note- that these were just included to give an idea of sizes and interests and that the kids would be thrilled with anything they receive.

    I liked that.
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  • @mysticl
    @lolo883

    Why is it that you both equate birthday parties to showers?
    The point of a shower is to shower the person with gifts. A time to help the bride (and/or groom) to set them up for the next step. This is why registries and things like this are acceptable.

    The point of a birthday party is to shower the person with gifts, too? Really? I disagree. I think it's a time to celebrate a person's life milestone. Like a wedding, where the point isn't to give gifts. This is why I don't feel gift information should be given on a birthday party invitation, which is what that Facebook post was.

    Traditionally holidays are gift giving events. Traditionally birthday parties are gift giving events. Neither events are held just so the person can get gifts, though. Well, they shouldn't be held just to get gifts. This is why I compared birthday parties with holiday parties. I can not fathom why anyone would equate birthday parties with showers. The events are just not held for the same reasons.
    I only say it's more like a shower out of those two examples - to me, it's more like a shower invitation than a wedding invitation. But really, it's neither of those things, it's a dang kid's birthday party. Kids get presents at their birthday parties, it's just a known fact. Do we side-eye kids writing letters to Santa with a list of presents they want and think that makes them spoiled, entitled brats? Of course not. 

    This is a mom inviting people to her kids' party, and saying - likely unbeknownst to the kids - "if you're interested, Jimmy likes Spiderman and wears a size 5; and Johnny likes Batman and wears a size 12." It's freakin' Facebook for crying out loud; if you don't like something, just keep scrolling past it like you have the opportunity to do with every other post. If you don't want to bring a gift, don't. Or don't go to the party. Or get them both Legos. Or ignore that the mom wrote it and go through the extra effort of calling her and asking her what they like. 

    I don't think the mom giving a list of interests and sizes should at all hint that the kids won't accept what they're given graciously and write a thoughtful thank you note. 
    This. All of this.

  • @Simply Fated
    I don't equate birthday parties with showers. I think bridal showers are incredibly rude because you are inviting me to a party with the sole purpose of soliciting a gift from me and I am also expected to bring a gift to your wedding.  I have less of a problem with baby showers because it is celebrating the arrival of the baby and I would get you a gift anyhow but I'm still not a huge fan.  However, a kids birthday party is a whole other ballgame. I'm being invited to celebrate the child having been on earth another year and I give a gift as a token of that.  I also give adults birthday gifts.  

    You seem to think that wedding registries are for bridal showers only and they are not.  They are for the entire wedding process.  Plenty of people have wedding registries without having a shower.  Do you side eye them because a wedding isn't a gift giving occasion (only it really is)?  And as for setting up a couple in their new home how many people come on here saying they've been living together for X years and don't need anything but they are still encouraged to register to "upgrade" their stuff.  That's not setting up a new home.  They don't need that stuff to get by.  But it's considered completely acceptable. In fact they are advised to do it because some people are going to get them boxed gifts no matter what and that way it won't be random crap they don't like.  

    So no, I don't see anything wrong with a mother giving general ideas of things her child might like when people set up registries telling you exactly what size, color, and style of something they want. Like I have said before maybe she did it because people asked her to.  Or maybe she did it because she was tired of people giving her kid clothes that didn't fit and toys that don't get played with. I think it's arbitrary to say it's okay to indicate your preferences for this gift giving occasion and not that one.  
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  • lc07lc07 member
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    I think the point is that gifts are not required to attend a birthday party. So it's rude to mention them and presume they will be given to you.
  • HauteRoxy said:
    I can't freaking believe Toys R Us has a birthday registry for KIDS. REALLY??!! 

    It freaks me out and gives me etiquette heebie jeebies. Just does. It's rude (in my VERY humble opinion)


    That being said, I have 2 kids, a girl who is 11, and a boy who will be 14 this moth. That being said, I got a LOT of kid bday parties under my belt.

    Whenever they were invited to a party, when I called to RSVP, I would ask the parent(s) if there was anything specific little Johnny or Jane would like to have. 

    If they say nothing in particular or something like that - I always let my kid pick out a gift they know for a fact their friend would dig, and I always placed a $20 limit on it. Just my thing throughout my kids' lives . . 
    Toys R Us isn't in the etiquette business, they are in the toy selling business.  So if they can get kids (or really parents) to register for a party they hope to get the majority of the dollars people spend on a gift for that child.  
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  • HauteRoxy said:
    I can't freaking believe Toys R Us has a birthday registry for KIDS. REALLY??!! 

    It freaks me out and gives me etiquette heebie jeebies. Just does. It's rude (in my VERY humble opinion)

    That being said, I have 2 kids, a girl who is 11, and a boy who will be 14 this moth. That being said, I got a LOT of kid bday parties under my belt.

    Whenever they were invited to a party, when I called to RSVP, I would ask the parent(s) if there was anything specific little Johnny or Jane would like to have. 

    If they say nothing in particular or something like that - I always let my kid pick out a gift they know for a fact their friend would dig, and I always placed a $20 limit on it. Just my thing throughout my kids' lives . . 

    You guys must have much more formal birthday parties than we do. I've never seen any indication of having to RSVP to any birthday party I have ever gone to and I've never had anyone RSVP for parties I've thrown. We tend to only have people RSVP for weddings.
  • @mystici

    I wasn't implying that Toys R Us was the offender, although reading back it does certainly look that way. 

    Absolutely a business will do anything (within reason) to get people to shop there and supply their entire kids' bday gifts & supplies from there. It's genius on their behalf. 

    Would I take my kid to Toys R Us to register for gifts. 

    nuh-uh. nope. 

    In my opinion it's just . . just, I don't even know how to word it. 

    When people used to ask me what to bring my child for their bday gift I would rattle off the Pixar fascination of the month and be done with it. Or say, Johnny or Jane likes little pet shop or legos or blah blah blah. 

    But taking my kid to register for his/her own gifts back when they were still young enough to dig Toys R Us? Not neccessary in the least. 

    But I certainly know a plenty of people who think it's great. Whatever floats your boat. Or your kids boat I guess . . . 
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