Dave Ramsey believes or allows you to go to college by the way. He has a really long drawn out list of things to think about before you choose to go to college, but he does believe that higher education is important for some people and apparently in his different books teaches you how to manage money properly while in college, getting your masters and so on. I just looked it up because I was curious.
I'll be "proud" of my children no matter they go to college or not. Trade school seems to be where it's at right now in our economy. I hope they make good decisions and I can only steer them in the right direction.
But in my family we teach the boys that college is basically 13th grade. I know that it sounds silly but it is important to my husband who went to a fancy college that his kids get a college degree or a tech school degree.
Now in my family growing up, no one ever told me I could get a college degree. I barely passed high school. My parents were ever doting, they just didn't really keep up with my schooling and figured I'd go to a tech school or something. I honestly don't know what they thought I'd do because they certainly weren't the type to think I'd get married.
So when everybody talks about the importance of a college degree my kids will ask me where I got mine and every damn time I have to tell them that Mommy didn't go to college and I feel so freaking stupid each time. Ugh, it's embarrassing and I wish someone in my life would have pushed me to do better, to do more.
But I can say this, I make more money than most of my friends who went to college and I have no college debt.
This is so sad for women. My FI and I purposely had a long engagement so that I could finish school. It is very important to both of us to have an education and career aspirations. I just completed my masters a few weeks ago and we are getting married in less than a month. FI is partially done with his masters and should finish in a year. In no way will he be quiting due to married life getting in the way!!
As someone who works in higher education this makes me sick. This is 2014. Life is way more than getting married, especially as a teen/young 20-something. I had no interest in marriage when I graduated from undergrad. Zero. I was more concerned about building a life for myself at that point.
I did get married two months after I graduated with my master's degree. I was 27 and was with a man who fully supported everything I was doing related to school. It was tough. We were long distance for years because of my degree but neither of us felt like it was a comprise. It was an absolute priority for me, and he fully supported it. More than fully supported it. There were times when I thought the stress wasn't worth it and he emphasized how important it was and centered me again.
But it was amazing how, when I had both my graduation and wedding within two months of each other, the milestone of graduation became an after thought to many people in my life. It pissed me off for exactly the reason that this picture hints at. I'm not even talking about attending the graduation ceremony. But while virtually everyone was going crazy congratulating me on the wedding, very few people mentioned the degree. I was very vocal about grad school and graduation. Anyone who knew me knew how important that was to me.
Why can I love this only once?
My mom got a comment the other day that set her off in regards to me getting married. It was something along the line of, aren't you proud Fiona is getting married? To which my mother responded "Proud? No, not really proud. Happy, very happy she and Sophie love each other and I'm so happy they're getting married. I'm proud they can get married, but that's more of an overall human rights issue then specific to Fiona, but I am happy for her", to which the other person said "Well I was proud when my daughters got married! Such an achievement for them", apparently this person does not know my mother well because my mom went off (polietly) and said "Oh really? Marriage is the only thing your daughters have achieved that has made you proud", "Well it's the most important thing they've done!", at which point my mom was off and running "Wow, well my daughter has done many very important things. I'm proud of her for graduating high school, for coming out, for fighting for what she believes in, for being strong, for getting her masters and later her PhD, for working her ass off in a male dominated field, for following her passions and dreams, for being able to give and receive love, for being smart, for being creative and for above all being herself. I'm happy for her wedding, but I'm already proud of all of her actual accomplishments in life". Step-mom regaled me with the story as she was there at the time.
Yeah, my mom, she's kind of awesome.
I think I have said this before, but I totes dig your mom.
My parents have told me they are proud of me and my siblings for making good choices in our life partners. But they are not really "proud" that we are getting married. They are happy and excited.
My parents were very proud of me when I put myself through graduate school while working full time then moving to New York where I knew, like, 2 people.
My parents are proud they raised an independent, financially responsible, emotive, college educated, and clever young woman that contributes all her best qualities to society while generating run-on sentences. They are happy I'm happy. It has nothing to do with a dude putting a piece of jewelry on my 'important finger'. My parents are 'proud' that I didn't settle (as is common in small towns where I was raised) and chose a life partner that I am truly happy to be myself around.
School is important, and I want my children to understand the value of an education. I'd feel like I failed if my daughter (or son) lost that message along the way...
My parents are proud they raised an independent, financially responsible, emotive, college educated, and clever young woman that contributes all her best qualities to society while generating run-on sentences. They are happy I'm happy. It has nothing to do with a dude putting a piece of jewelry on my 'important finger'. My parents are 'proud' that I didn't settle (as is common in small towns where I was raised) and chose a life partner that I am truly happy to be myself around.
School is important, and I want my children to understand the value of an education. I'd feel like I failed if my daughter (or son) lost that message along the way...
I showed this at dinner with my parents and grandmother last night because I wanted their opinions. It sparked a longer conversation than I expected. My mom's initial reaction was to make a puking noise but my dad got worked up.
My dad reminded me that our families struggled for the right to go to college. My dad is the son of a farm laborer with a 3rd grade education. He was the first in his family to graduate high school and the first to go to college- even though it took him 8 years while working. His daughters were going to follow his lead.
My mom's first generation American, daughter of Eastern European Jews. I grew up with my German grandfather and great uncle talking schools with Jewish quotas and the fights they had to get an education. I recently read a newspaper article from 1913 where my grandmother's grandfather talked about coming to the US from Russia so his kids could get an education.
I'm lucky that my parents didn't give us a choice about college- we were going. High school graduations aren't celebrated in my family but we celebrate the start of college. I got flowers sent to me from relatives across the world when I got my first acceptance into grad school.
My gramma reminded me last night of something she used to tell me growing up- anyone can get married. She will never be proud of us for marrying someone. She's proud of us for what we accomplish, for making good decisions in our lives, and for finding people who love us and deserve our love in return.
Dave Ramsey believes or allows you to go to college by the way. He has a really long drawn out list of things to think about before you choose to go to college, but he does believe that higher education is important for some people and apparently in his different books teaches you how to manage money properly while in college, getting your masters and so on. I just looked it up because I was curious.
I'll be "proud" of my children no matter they go to college or not. Trade school seems to be where it's at right now in our economy. I hope they make good decisions and I can only steer them in the right direction.
But in my family we teach the boys that college is basically 13th grade. I know that it sounds silly but it is important to my husband who went to a fancy college that his kids get a college degree or a tech school degree.
Now in my family growing up, no one ever told me I could get a college degree. I barely passed high school. My parents were ever doting, they just didn't really keep up with my schooling and figured I'd go to a tech school or something. I honestly don't know what they thought I'd do because they certainly weren't the type to think I'd get married.
So when everybody talks about the importance of a college degree my kids will ask me where I got mine and every damn time I have to tell them that Mommy didn't go to college and I feel so freaking stupid each time. Ugh, it's embarrassing and I wish someone in my life would have pushed me to do better, to do more.
But I can say this, I make more money than most of my friends who went to college and I have no college debt.
A) It's never too late to go……if you want to.
No need to feel stupid. Like you said you make more money than a lot of your friends and you don't have the student loan debt. There is nothing stupid about that.
The fact that you and your husband have different educational backgrounds gives you the great opportunity to explain the pros and cons of the various options and why they worked or didn't work for you.
I have a bachelor's degree. My husband has some college but dropped out and joined the Navy. He makes way more than I did when I was working and his Navy training will be worth a lot more than my degree is in the civilian world. When we talk about our son's future I'll say things about him going to college and my husband will say things about him going to the recruiter.
On the nature of having or not having a college degree:
Fi doesn't have a high school degree. He has the California equivalent of a GED. He has no higher education degree. He can run circles around my income.
I have a high school degree, no higher education degree (although at 30 I re-enrolled in college courses, so I should have my BA by 33 is my goal).
Everyone has their own path in life. I often have this discussion with Fi (I asked him once how he'd react if our potential future children wanted to drop out of school like he did). I told him that I feel like it's important for me to have a college degree to be able to provide that as an example for our future children. Although, I imagine I'll probably be a SAHM, so probably I'll get my degree and not do much with it. But I'll HAVE it, and just HAVING it is enough for me to feel successful with it.
My FI went to university to study journalism, but ultimately has a well paying position in the retail sector. Sometimes he expresses regret that he didn't get into journalism, but I told him college taught him all sorts of other things, like respecting deadlines, working in a group effectively, leadership skills, and independence.
On the nature of having or not having a college degree:
Fi doesn't have a high school degree. He has the California equivalent of a GED. He has no higher education degree. He can run circles around my income.
I have a high school degree, no higher education degree (although at 30 I re-enrolled in college courses, so I should have my BA by 33 is my goal).
Everyone has their own path in life. I often have this discussion with Fi (I asked him once how he'd react if our potential future children wanted to drop out of school like he did). I told him that I feel like it's important for me to have a college degree to be able to provide that as an example for our future children. Although, I imagine I'll probably be a SAHM, so probably I'll get my degree and not do much with it. But I'll HAVE it, and just HAVING it is enough for me to feel successful with it.
I don't mean to be nosey/rude but what does your FI do??? My FI also has a GED and he so regrets dropping out because he has struggled so much to get a job with decent pay. He is a medical assistant now and makes $10/hr...which blows.
He's a "pre-sales technician" or something equally fancy sounding for some network company.
Basically, he's kind of like a sales guy for technical stuff (they sell a lot of Cisco products). He started working in 1999-2000 I think, right when the Internet was getting big and he's always been a very technical guy, so he got in at the right time and was good at it.
He's pretty open with the fact that he really just lucked out and that his life could have easily been a LOT worse/harder. He once even said "I don't even know if the path I took was the right one for me, but so far it's working out and for that I'm happy."
@kimches, someone that Fi works with is 100% commission. He probably makes more than Fi does (says Fi), but Fi just doesn't want to rely on that commission only. So instead he's part base and part commission. It works out nice this way because the commission we just treat as "extra". But on days (like yesterday) where he works 15 hours days, it feels like it's "worth it", y'know.
Plus Fi just had talks with his boss to raise both his base and commission. So yay!
FI has a GED. I get annoyed when people look down on people with GEDs. Sure maybe they dropped out to get high and have sex. Of course I did those things while still in high school (where else would I meet people to have sex with or who had weed?). Or maybe they were horribly bullied, or thrown out of their homes, or just hated regular school and didn't have other alternatives.
Of course FI also has higher education as well. She isn't less then I am intelligence wise because she got a GED and I got a high school diploma.
I also get annoyed at people who look down on community college. Community college is a great place to start. Especially if you don't have a lot of money or aren't sure what you want to do in life.
FI has a GED. I get annoyed when people look down on people with GEDs. Sure maybe they dropped out to get high and have sex. Of course I did those things while still in high school (where else would I meet people to have sex with or who had weed?). Or maybe they were horribly bullied, or thrown out of their homes, or just hated regular school and didn't have other alternatives.
Of course FI also has higher education as well. She isn't less then I am intelligence wise because she got a GED and I got a high school diploma.
I also get annoyed at people who look down on community college. Community college is a great place to start. Especially if you don't have a lot of money or aren't sure what you want to do in life.
QFT. And people who take roundabout paths to more education.
raissyrais said:
How would we feel if it was the opposite on the photo? I'm honestly curious?
If the girl with the degree was smiling and the girls with the ring were frowning? I mean I guess it's better but not really. They can (and should) be happy they are getting married, what's sad is the insinuation that they stopped school because they got engaged not that they are happy they are engaged.
How would we feel if it was the opposite on the photo? I'm honestly curious?
If the girl with the degree was smiling and the girls with the ring were frowning? I mean I guess it's better but not really. They can (and should) be happy they are getting married, what's sad is the insinuation that they stopped school because they got engaged not that they are happy they are engaged.
FI has a GED. I get annoyed when people look down on people with GEDs. Sure maybe they dropped out to get high and have sex. Of course I did those things while still in high school (where else would I meet people to have sex with or who had weed?). Or maybe they were horribly bullied, or thrown out of their homes, or just hated regular school and didn't have other alternatives.
Of course FI also has higher education as well. She isn't less then I am intelligence wise because she got a GED and I got a high school diploma.
I also get annoyed at people who look down on community college. Community college is a great place to start. Especially if you don't have a lot of money or aren't sure what you want to do in life.
A) Yes!!!! FI doesn't go around announcing to people that he has a GED but when people find out they just say "Oh" in a disappointed tone. Like "oh, you must be lazy as fuck" or "oh, you must be such a disappointment to your family."
Yes!!! One of my friends went straight to a very expensive university when she had no clue what she wanted to do. She switched her major so many times and so late in the game that it will take her at least 5.5 years (she is 4 yrs in so 3 more semesters) to finish her BA.
I've always heard the GED is a pretty difficult test to pass and in some cases is even harder than just getting your high school diploma.
It sucks that people look down on community college. One of my friends is having a really difficult time getting into nursing school and I think part of it is that she did her general ed. courses at a community college to save money and to some people that doesn't look as good as going to a university.
I don't know why spending less money = lesser education to some people. I went to a 4-year unviersity with an amazing comm. program, it also happens to be the cheapest school in the state and one of the cheapest universities in the country. My professors were amazing, my education was top notch yet just because it's a cheaper university people look down on it.
FI has a GED. I get annoyed when people look down on people with GEDs. Sure maybe they dropped out to get high and have sex. Of course I did those things while still in high school (where else would I meet people to have sex with or who had weed?). Or maybe they were horribly bullied, or thrown out of their homes, or just hated regular school and didn't have other alternatives.
Of course FI also has higher education as well. She isn't less then I am intelligence wise because she got a GED and I got a high school diploma.
I also get annoyed at people who look down on community college. Community college is a great place to start. Especially if you don't have a lot of money or aren't sure what you want to do in life.
A) Yes!!!! FI doesn't go around announcing to people that he has a GED but when people find out they just say "Oh" in a disappointed tone. Like "oh, you must be lazy as fuck" or "oh, you must be such a disappointment to your family."
Yes!!! One of my friends went straight to a very expensive university when she had no clue what she wanted to do. She switched her major so many times and so late in the game that it will take her at least 5.5 years (she is 4 yrs in so 3 more semesters) to finish her BA.
I've always heard the GED is a pretty difficult test to pass and in some cases is even harder than just getting your high school diploma.
It sucks that people look down on community college. One of my friends is having a really difficult time getting into nursing school and I think part of it is that she did her general ed. courses at a community college to save money and to some people that doesn't look as good as going to a university.
I don't know why spending less money = lesser education to some people. I went to a 4-year unviersity with an amazing comm. program, it also happens to be the cheapest school in the state and one of the cheapest universities in the country. My professors were amazing, my education was top notch yet just because it's a cheaper university people look down on it.
Yup! I go to a very cheap state university, and my professors are amazing! People talk down about \it all of the the time, but my tuition is half the cost.
FI has a GED. I get annoyed when people look down on people with GEDs. Sure maybe they dropped out to get high and have sex. Of course I did those things while still in high school (where else would I meet people to have sex with or who had weed?). Or maybe they were horribly bullied, or thrown out of their homes, or just hated regular school and didn't have other alternatives.
Of course FI also has higher education as well. She isn't less then I am intelligence wise because she got a GED and I got a high school diploma.
I also get annoyed at people who look down on community college. Community college is a great place to start. Especially if you don't have a lot of money or aren't sure what you want to do in life.
A) Yes!!!! FI doesn't go around announcing to people that he has a GED but when people find out they just say "Oh" in a disappointed tone. Like "oh, you must be lazy as fuck" or "oh, you must be such a disappointment to your family."
Yes!!! One of my friends went straight to a very expensive university when she had no clue what she wanted to do. She switched her major so many times and so late in the game that it will take her at least 5.5 years (she is 4 yrs in so 3 more semesters) to finish her BA.
I've always heard the GED is a pretty difficult test to pass and in some cases is even harder than just getting your high school diploma.
It sucks that people look down on community college. One of my friends is having a really difficult time getting into nursing school and I think part of it is that she did her general ed. courses at a community college to save money and to some people that doesn't look as good as going to a university.
I don't know why spending less money = lesser education to some people. I went to a 4-year unviersity with an amazing comm. program, it also happens to be the cheapest school in the state and one of the cheapest universities in the country. My professors were amazing, my education was top notch yet just because it's a cheaper university people look down on it.
I've heard the same thing about the GED because you are basically cramming all of high school into a few months and one all inclusive exam.
The "problem" with community college is that sometimes their credits don't transfer to a 4 year university. The university I went to had an agreement with the community college for that county that all of their credits transferred provided the students earned a certain grade in the class. As a result we did have a lot of students (especially non-traditional ones) who did two years of gen eds there and the transferred. I saw a lot of it in my Social Work program because you couldn't be admitted until you were a junior so just made sure they took all the prerecs at a much lower price and then transferred in.
When I took the GED something like 1/3 of HS seniors couldn''t pass it. Also, my diploma just says diploma, not GED stuff.
In MD the CCs have an agreement with the state uni system that you can get a transfer to any of them if you finish an AA. If a CC (and the uni) is regionally accredited then there shouldn't be an issue unless it's like a votech class or something. But regular stuff ought to be fine.
FI has a GED. I get annoyed when people look down on people with GEDs. Sure maybe they dropped out to get high and have sex. Of course I did those things while still in high school (where else would I meet people to have sex with or who had weed?). Or maybe they were horribly bullied, or thrown out of their homes, or just hated regular school and didn't have other alternatives.
Of course FI also has higher education as well. She isn't less then I am intelligence wise because she got a GED and I got a high school diploma.
I also get annoyed at people who look down on community college. Community college is a great place to start. Especially if you don't have a lot of money or aren't sure what you want to do in life.
A) Yes!!!! FI doesn't go around announcing to people that he has a GED but when people find out they just say "Oh" in a disappointed tone. Like "oh, you must be lazy as fuck" or "oh, you must be such a disappointment to your family."
Yes!!! One of my friends went straight to a very expensive university when she had no clue what she wanted to do. She switched her major so many times and so late in the game that it will take her at least 5.5 years (she is 4 yrs in so 3 more semesters) to finish her BA.
I've always heard the GED is a pretty difficult test to pass and in some cases is even harder than just getting your high school diploma.
It sucks that people look down on community college. One of my friends is having a really difficult time getting into nursing school and I think part of it is that she did her general ed. courses at a community college to save money and to some people that doesn't look as good as going to a university.
I don't know why spending less money = lesser education to some people. I went to a 4-year unviersity with an amazing comm. program, it also happens to be the cheapest school in the state and one of the cheapest universities in the country. My professors were amazing, my education was top notch yet just because it's a cheaper university people look down on it.
I've heard the same thing about the GED because you are basically cramming all of high school into a few months and one all inclusive exam.
The "problem" with community college is that sometimes their credits don't transfer to a 4 year university. The university I went to had an agreement with the community college for that county that all of their credits transferred provided the students earned a certain grade in the class. As a result we did have a lot of students (especially non-traditional ones) who did two years of gen eds there and the transferred. I saw a lot of it in my Social Work program because you couldn't be admitted until you were a junior so just made sure they took all the prerecs at a much lower price and then transferred in.
This is what I have done. I took all of my prerecs at a community college and got accepted at an excellent nursing school (UTMB). I start in September. Community colleges are so much less expensive per credit hour! Also, the class sizes are smaller so I got to develop relationships with my professors and they were excellent with feedback, etc. I didn't feel like a number. My eldest just graduated high school and wants to teach. She just enrolled in the same community college I went to!
Here in Texas, as far as I know, your credits must transfer to a state university or private college. The only exception for me was Pharmacology, because I guess each nursing program has their way of teaching the subject I guess.
When I took the GED something like 1/3 of HS seniors couldn''t pass it. Also, my diploma just says diploma, not GED stuff.
In MD the CCs have an agreement with the state uni system that you can get a transfer to any of them if you finish an AA. If a CC (and the uni) is regionally accredited then there shouldn't be an issue unless it's like a votech class or something. But regular stuff ought to be fine.
My diploma was printed off the home computer. Home school diploma, self-certifying in Michigan. It could have been written on a dinner napkin and been legal. Dad was the principle, I was the valedictorian. You should see the looks I got over that but guess what, it's just as good as anyone else's and I had to jump through the same hoops to get into college but I fucking proved myself, never risked losing my academic scholarship and graduated with honors.
I got married half way through my junior year and I just got my fancy expensive piece of paper, also known as a bachelor's degree, in the mail yesterday!
This is something I would expect to see at one of the schools the Duggar-like girls would attend.
Do they even attend college? I know their home schooled, but I never heard any of the girls talk about attending college.
I don't think Duggar girls go to college. Their ambitions seem to be to following Mom's example, and have an endless of multitude of little Duggarettes piling out of their vaginas like clowns from a clown car. Sad and terrible.
I think this is a bit harsh on them. Maybe that's not what you want to do, but some people genuinely want a large family. It is not sad and terrible if that's what they want to do. They are CHOOSING to stay and do this. If they wanted, they could leave and go to college or do any number of things after turning 18.*
*Disclaimer: I have not watched the show and don't know a whole lot about it.
When I took the GED something like 1/3 of HS seniors couldn''t pass it. Also, my diploma just says diploma, not GED stuff.
In MD the CCs have an agreement with the state uni system that you can get a transfer to any of them if you finish an AA. If a CC (and the uni) is regionally accredited then there shouldn't be an issue unless it's like a votech class or something. But regular stuff ought to be fine.
My diploma was printed off the home computer. Home school diploma, self-certifying in Michigan. It could have been written on a dinner napkin and been legal. Dad was the principle, I was the valedictorian. You should see the looks I got over that but guess what, it's just as good as anyone else's and I had to jump through the same hoops to get into college but I fucking proved myself, never risked losing my academic scholarship and graduated with honors.
Twins! Yay, someone else who was homeschooled! I actually have two diplomas, one printed by my parents, and one that I got from a school in another state through a program where we sent in my work and they applied credits for it.
I was valedictorian, dad was principal, and I had my own rockin' awesome graduation party with speakers and about 45 of my friends and family attending and my mom presenting me with the scholarships I got!!
I just graduated with honors as well from college. When I was a freshman, I did a speech on homeschooling. The guy next to me talked trash about how I didn't have a "real" diploma and didn't deserve to be there. I went off on him in the middle of class about how I deserved to be there as much as the next person and my diploma was every bit real as anyone he had. The prof. side-eyed me but didn't say anything.
And, to top it all off, I passed that class with flying colors. A+ actually. Anyone who had an A got to leave the class with that grade and not take the final. And the prof read off who didn't need to take it if they chose not to in class. So he KNEW that I had a better grade then him, because he had to take the final. I still get a twinge of satisfaction when I think about that. *evil lovesclimbing rubs her hands together and cackles*
Re: What the what?!
My parents were very proud of me when I put myself through graduate school while working full time then moving to New York where I knew, like, 2 people.
My dad reminded me that our families struggled for the right to go to college. My dad is the son of a farm laborer with a 3rd grade education. He was the first in his family to graduate high school and the first to go to college- even though it took him 8 years while working. His daughters were going to follow his lead.
My mom's first generation American, daughter of Eastern European Jews. I grew up with my German grandfather and great uncle talking schools with Jewish quotas and the fights they had to get an education. I recently read a newspaper article from 1913 where my grandmother's grandfather talked about coming to the US from Russia so his kids could get an education.
I'm lucky that my parents didn't give us a choice about college- we were going. High school graduations aren't celebrated in my family but we celebrate the start of college. I got flowers sent to me from relatives across the world when I got my first acceptance into grad school.
My gramma reminded me last night of something she used to tell me growing up- anyone can get married. She will never be proud of us for marrying someone. She's proud of us for what we accomplish, for making good decisions in our lives, and for finding people who love us and deserve our love in return.
I love my family!
If the girl with the degree was smiling and the girls with the ring were frowning? I mean I guess it's better but not really. They can (and should) be happy they are getting married, what's sad is the insinuation that they stopped school because they got engaged not that they are happy they are engaged.
In MD the CCs have an agreement with the state uni system that you can get a transfer to any of them if you finish an AA. If a CC (and the uni) is regionally accredited then there shouldn't be an issue unless it's like a votech class or something. But regular stuff ought to be fine.