What the what?!

beethery · July 2014

lovesclimbing said:

I got married half way through my junior year and I just got my fancy expensive piece of paper, also known as a bachelor's degree, in the mail yesterday!

ohannabelle said:

MagicInk said:

lyndausvi said:

This is something I would expect to see at one of the schools the Duggar-like girls would attend.

Do they even attend college? I know their home schooled, but I never heard any of the girls talk about attending college.

I don't think Duggar girls go to college. Their ambitions seem to be to following Mom's example, and have an endless of multitude of little Duggarettes piling out of their vaginas like clowns from a clown car. Sad and terrible.

I think this is a bit harsh on them. Maybe that's not what you want to do, but some people genuinely want a large family. It is not sad and terrible if that's what they want to do. They are CHOOSING to stay and do this. If they wanted, they could leave and go to college or do any number of things after turning 18.*

*Disclaimer: I have not watched the show and don't know a whole lot about it.

Unfortunately, the Duggar girls are told to work on their contentment when they happen to say anything about wanting to do something other than stay at home at raise the younger kids in the stead of their parents. They can take classes to become midwives through online/correspondence courses. One of the oldest daughters is widely known outside of the show to have been sent to 'leadership' camp a few times when she's gotten out of line.

Also, after the oldest son got married, his wife said publicly that she didn't think they'd be participating in the have babies until you can't anymore thing. Now, her husband is the one who does the talking on that, and says they've decided to go that route. His wife miscarried their first kid, and I think they're already on kid #3.

No option to do anything else besides raise the kids, get their midwife certification, and get married are presented to the daughters in that family. When they express interest in anything else, for example, one daughter said she'd like to move to a city and become a photographer, they are told with a cold-eyed BIG SMILE to work on their contentment. Be happy raising JimBob and Michelle's kids for them, or go to 'leadership' camp and get the fear of god's wrath put back into you.

I can't deal with that show or that family.

sarahufl · July 2014

MagicInk said:

FI has a GED. I get annoyed when people look down on people with GEDs. Sure maybe they dropped out to get high and have sex. Of course I did those things while still in high school (where else would I meet people to have sex with or who had weed?). Or maybe they were horribly bullied, or thrown out of their homes, or just hated regular school and didn't have other alternatives.

Of course FI also has higher education as well. She isn't less then I am intelligence wise because she got a GED and I got a high school diploma.

I also get annoyed at people who look down on community college. Community college is a great place to start. Especially if you don't have a lot of money or aren't sure what you want to do in life.

This. Technical colleges are the same. Electricians make more money than a ton of people with traditional degrees do. It requires less schooling, it is cheaper, and the job market is insane. I never understand why Americans tend to look down on vocational/tech schools.

VulgarGirl · July 2014

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MagicInk said:

FI has a GED. I get annoyed when people look down on people with GEDs. Sure maybe they dropped out to get high and have sex. Of course I did those things while still in high school (where else would I meet people to have sex with or who had weed?). Or maybe they were horribly bullied, or thrown out of their homes, or just hated regular school and didn't have other alternatives.

Of course FI also has higher education as well. She isn't less then I am intelligence wise because she got a GED and I got a high school diploma.

I also get annoyed at people who look down on community college. Community college is a great place to start. Especially if you don't have a lot of money or aren't sure what you want to do in life.

This. Technical colleges are the same. Electricians make more money than a ton of people with traditional degrees do. It requires less schooling, it is cheaper, and the job market is insane. I never understand why Americans tend to look down on vocational/tech schools.

That too. My step-mom went to a technical school and is an auto mechanic. She makes great money, but traditional school would've gotten her nowhere. She told me when she was graduating high school people were really saying things like "Oh, a trade school? I thought you had good grades?" she had great grades in high school but wanted to work on cars. So figured auto school was right for her. She still loves her job and doesn't have student loan debt. Just saying.

VulgarGirl · July 2014

I'm kind of excited to learn we have homeschoolers among us. I wasn't homeschooled, but it always fascinated me. And I really wanted to be, but my parents were all "We have to go to work and we do not trust you to teach yourself" which was smart, I would've just eaten ice cream all day or something.

My youngest brother ended up doing on-line high school. He hated traditional school. Was getting bullied, and was bored out of his mind so was acting out. He wanted to drop out, but my dad convinced him to try on-line school first. In our state you have to finish the 10th grade to drop out and he was only in the 9th so he would've had to stay in longer. He loved on-line school. He didn't have to get up early, he could work faster if he wanted too, it worked well for him. I kind of wish it would've been option for me. But eh, I survived traditional school and lived to tell the tale.

chibiyui · July 2014

beethery said:
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lovesclimbing said:

I got married half way through my junior year and I just got my fancy expensive piece of paper, also known as a bachelor's degree, in the mail yesterday!

ohannabelle said:

MagicInk said:

lyndausvi said:

This is something I would expect to see at one of the schools the Duggar-like girls would attend.

Do they even attend college? I know their home schooled, but I never heard any of the girls talk about attending college.

I don't think Duggar girls go to college. Their ambitions seem to be to following Mom's example, and have an endless of multitude of little Duggarettes piling out of their vaginas like clowns from a clown car. Sad and terrible.

I think this is a bit harsh on them. Maybe that's not what you want to do, but some people genuinely want a large family. It is not sad and terrible if that's what they want to do. They are CHOOSING to stay and do this. If they wanted, they could leave and go to college or do any number of things after turning 18.*

*Disclaimer: I have not watched the show and don't know a whole lot about it.

Unfortunately, the Duggar girls are told to work on their contentment when they happen to say anything about wanting to do something other than stay at home at raise the younger kids in the stead of their parents. They can take classes to become midwives through online/correspondence courses. One of the oldest daughters is widely known outside of the show to have been sent to 'leadership' camp a few times when she's gotten out of line.

Also, after the oldest son got married, his wife said publicly that she didn't think they'd be participating in the have babies until you can't anymore thing. Now, her husband is the one who does the talking on that, and says they've decided to go that route. His wife miscarried their first kid, and I think they're already on kid #3.

No option to do anything else besides raise the kids, get their midwife certification, and get married are presented to the daughters in that family. When they express interest in anything else, for example, one daughter said she'd like to move to a city and become a photographer, they are told with a cold-eyed BIG SMILE to work on their contentment. Be happy raising JimBob and Michelle's kids for them, or go to 'leadership' camp and get the fear of god's wrath put back into you.

I can't deal with that show or that family.

I have to agree with beethry. The Duggar are little more than a cult with good PR. I think it's sad for all the kids, cause they're not really given a choice.

RebeccaB88 · July 2014

monkeysip said:

Yeah, just getting married isn't really an achievement. Being a good wife/husband, keeping a marriage healthy and strong for a long time, supporting your spouse through terrible times, etc.... now THOSE are great achievements. I worry too many people are focused on just the "getting married" part that they forget the whole building a solid relationship and foundation for marriage part...

Nowadays, it's staying married that's an achievement. The wedding is the easy part.

JennyColada · July 2014

MagicInk said:
My youngest brother ended up doing on-line high school. He hated traditional school. Was getting bullied, and was bored out of his mind so was acting out. He wanted to drop out, but my dad convinced him to try on-line school first. In our state you have to finish the 10th grade to drop out and he was only in the 9th so he would've had to stay in longer. He loved on-line school. He didn't have to get up early, he could work faster if he wanted too, it worked well for him. I kind of wish it would've been option for me. But eh, I survived traditional school and lived to tell the tale.

This is basically why Fi has his GED (he dropped out at 16 under the recommendation of the principal). He just hated school and didn't want to be there.

I liked school and have/had great experiences.

LadyMillil · July 2014

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Unfortunately, the Duggar girls are told to work on their contentment when they happen to say anything about wanting to do something other than stay at home at raise the younger kids in the stead of their parents. They can take classes to become midwives through online/correspondence courses. One of the oldest daughters is widely known outside of the show to have been sent to 'leadership' camp a few times when she's gotten out of line.

Also, after the oldest son got married, his wife said publicly that she didn't think they'd be participating in the have babies until you can't anymore thing. Now, her husband is the one who does the talking on that, and says they've decided to go that route. His wife miscarried their first kid, and I think they're already on kid #3.

No option to do anything else besides raise the kids, get their midwife certification, and get married are presented to the daughters in that family. When they express interest in anything else, for example, one daughter said she'd like to move to a city and become a photographer, they are told with a cold-eyed BIG SMILE to work on their contentment. Be happy raising JimBob and Michelle's kids for them, or go to 'leadership' camp and get the fear of god's wrath put back into you.

I can't deal with that show or that family.

I don't know which of these pisses me off more - the fact that the son is pushing his wife to have baby after baby until she can't anymore, or the fact that they control everything their daughters do to the point that they don't want them to be happy pursuing and their own interests.

VulgarGirl · July 2014

JennyColada said:

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My youngest brother ended up doing on-line high school. He hated traditional school. Was getting bullied, and was bored out of his mind so was acting out. He wanted to drop out, but my dad convinced him to try on-line school first. In our state you have to finish the 10th grade to drop out and he was only in the 9th so he would've had to stay in longer. He loved on-line school. He didn't have to get up early, he could work faster if he wanted too, it worked well for him. I kind of wish it would've been option for me. But eh, I survived traditional school and lived to tell the tale.

This is basically why Fi has his GED (he dropped out at 16 under the recommendation of the principal). He just hated school and didn't want to be there. I liked school and have/had great experiences.

--Stuck...Out of the box---

I liked school in the sense that I liked going and learning. I enjoyed my classes. It was the other students I couldn't fucking stand. I was bullied non-stop pretty much from 1st grade. And when I'd go to the teacher (as I was told to do) I was given the very wise advice to "just walk away", no shit Sherlock, I fucking walked away and the goddamn assholes followed me. That's the best advice you got? My parents were given the "We'll talk to the kids about not bullying" oh awesome. That'll probably do nothing as it has done every other time, why don't we punish the little fuckwads? Oh we can't because they didn't physically touch her? Nice rules.

Now I go to therapy and I'm mostly over it. But when I have a kid(s) and they're in school if they get bullied, I will fight tooth and nail to make sure the kids bullying them are actually punished.

beethery · July 2014

@MagicInk UUUUUUGH "Just ignore them," is the fucking worst, most useless advice anyone can give. I hate that. I super hate it. I hate it so fucking hard.

VulgarGirl · July 2014

beethery said:

@MagicInk UUUUUUGH "Just ignore them," is the fucking worst, most useless advice anyone can give. I hate that. I super hate it. I hate it so fucking hard.

I remember the first time I was told that lousy piece of advice. I was in third grade and responded "Oh, really? I hadn't thought of not paying attention to them" and rolled my eyes. Then I got in trouble for mouthing off to a teacher. To which I responded "Why don't you just ignore me" and got in more trouble.

beethery · July 2014

MagicInk said:

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beethery said:

@MagicInk UUUUUUGH "Just ignore them," is the fucking worst, most useless advice anyone can give. I hate that. I super hate it. I hate it so fucking hard.

I remember the first time I was told that lousy piece of advice. I was in third grade and responded "Oh, really? I hadn't thought of not paying attention to them" and rolled my eyes. Then I got in trouble for mouthing off to a teacher. To which I responded "Why don't you just ignore me" and got in more trouble.

I got the "ignore" advice at 3 when I started preschool. I learned to ignore that "advice" very quickly.

We will raise our respective kids without the ignore nonsense. GO US!!!

bethsmiles · July 2014

LadyMillil said:

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Unfortunately, the Duggar girls are told to work on their contentment when they happen to say anything about wanting to do something other than stay at home at raise the younger kids in the stead of their parents. They can take classes to become midwives through online/correspondence courses. One of the oldest daughters is widely known outside of the show to have been sent to 'leadership' camp a few times when she's gotten out of line.

Also, after the oldest son got married, his wife said publicly that she didn't think they'd be participating in the have babies until you can't anymore thing. Now, her husband is the one who does the talking on that, and says they've decided to go that route. His wife miscarried their first kid, and I think they're already on kid #3.

No option to do anything else besides raise the kids, get their midwife certification, and get married are presented to the daughters in that family. When they express interest in anything else, for example, one daughter said she'd like to move to a city and become a photographer, they are told with a cold-eyed BIG SMILE to work on their contentment. Be happy raising JimBob and Michelle's kids for them, or go to 'leadership' camp and get the fear of god's wrath put back into you.

I can't deal with that show or that family.

I don't know which of these pisses me off more - the fact that the son is pushing his wife to have baby after baby until she can't anymore, or the fact that they control everything their daughters do to the point that they don't want them to be happy pursuing and their own interests.

SO's mom loves the Duggars and thinks they are the greatest. It is so hard for me to not say anything when she raves about them.

falsara · July 2014

I loved my Community College, in AZ there are only 3 major universities, they're freaking huge, and none of them had the program I wanted, so I went to the community college in town right after HS. It saved me tons and when I graduated from there I was able to get into a really good program across the country where almost all of my Gen Ed credits counted. Now that i'm at a 4- year university, it bothers me when the people who have been here since their freshman year act like they're smarter than I am. I'm the smart one, I saved my self $40,000 in school loans. I got bullied alot in grade school and High school too, but since I moved every couple of years, it never really bothered me. My mantra was "You only have to deal with them until you move again." besdies most of my bullying centered around the fact that I was always the new kid, after a while you've heard it all. Now when I meet new people, and they figure out that i've been all over the world, the look on their faces totally makes up for the new kid bullying that went on when I was kid. @magicink and @beethery the ignore them advice always sucked. I always responded to my bullies "You're wasting your breath, I get to leave soon, and when I do I will never remember your name, go bother someone else." Still gives me a little glow inside when I remember the shocked look on their faces. ETA: TK thinks paragraphs are evil and that they must be destroyed.

theartistformerlyknownas · July 2014

MagicInk said:

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beethery said:

@MagicInk UUUUUUGH "Just ignore them," is the fucking worst, most useless advice anyone can give. I hate that. I super hate it. I hate it so fucking hard.

I remember the first time I was told that lousy piece of advice. I was in third grade and responded "Oh, really? I hadn't thought of not paying attention to them" and rolled my eyes. Then I got in trouble for mouthing off to a teacher. To which I responded "Why don't you just ignore me" and got in more trouble.

I think we might be soul sisters.

lovesclimbing · July 2014

beethery said:

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lovesclimbing said:

I got married half way through my junior year and I just got my fancy expensive piece of paper, also known as a bachelor's degree, in the mail yesterday!

ohannabelle said:

MagicInk said:

lyndausvi said:

This is something I would expect to see at one of the schools the Duggar-like girls would attend.

Do they even attend college? I know their home schooled, but I never heard any of the girls talk about attending college.

I don't think Duggar girls go to college. Their ambitions seem to be to following Mom's example, and have an endless of multitude of little Duggarettes piling out of their vaginas like clowns from a clown car. Sad and terrible.

I think this is a bit harsh on them. Maybe that's not what you want to do, but some people genuinely want a large family. It is not sad and terrible if that's what they want to do. They are CHOOSING to stay and do this. If they wanted, they could leave and go to college or do any number of things after turning 18.*

*Disclaimer: I have not watched the show and don't know a whole lot about it.

Unfortunately, the Duggar girls are told to work on their contentment when they happen to say anything about wanting to do something other than stay at home at raise the younger kids in the stead of their parents. They can take classes to become midwives through online/correspondence courses. One of the oldest daughters is widely known outside of the show to have been sent to 'leadership' camp a few times when she's gotten out of line.

Also, after the oldest son got married, his wife said publicly that she didn't think they'd be participating in the have babies until you can't anymore thing. Now, her husband is the one who does the talking on that, and says they've decided to go that route. His wife miscarried their first kid, and I think they're already on kid #3.

No option to do anything else besides raise the kids, get their midwife certification, and get married are presented to the daughters in that family. When they express interest in anything else, for example, one daughter said she'd like to move to a city and become a photographer, they are told with a cold-eyed BIG SMILE to work on their contentment. Be happy raising JimBob and Michelle's kids for them, or go to 'leadership' camp and get the fear of god's wrath put back into you.

I can't deal with that show or that family.

But, again, this is their choice. If they wanted to, they could leave. Yes, it may very well be difficult to leave a family like that, but they could if they wanted to once they were an adult. No one forced that girl to marry that guy.

I don't necessarily agree with what their family does, I certainly don't want 20 kids and from what you're saying, I don't agree with their parenting style. However, I still feel that there is nothing wrong with having lots of kids and doing that if that's what you want.

@ohannahbell said it's "sad and terrible" that a girl is choosing to get married, have lots of children and be a stay-at-home-mom. That's not sad and terrible if that's what you want to do.

mysticl · July 2014

lovesclimbing said:

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beethery said:

lovesclimbing said:

I got married half way through my junior year and I just got my fancy expensive piece of paper, also known as a bachelor's degree, in the mail yesterday!

ohannabelle said:

MagicInk said:

lyndausvi said:

This is something I would expect to see at one of the schools the Duggar-like girls would attend.

Do they even attend college? I know their home schooled, but I never heard any of the girls talk about attending college.

I don't think Duggar girls go to college. Their ambitions seem to be to following Mom's example, and have an endless of multitude of little Duggarettes piling out of their vaginas like clowns from a clown car. Sad and terrible.

I think this is a bit harsh on them. Maybe that's not what you want to do, but some people genuinely want a large family. It is not sad and terrible if that's what they want to do. They are CHOOSING to stay and do this. If they wanted, they could leave and go to college or do any number of things after turning 18.*

*Disclaimer: I have not watched the show and don't know a whole lot about it.

Unfortunately, the Duggar girls are told to work on their contentment when they happen to say anything about wanting to do something other than stay at home at raise the younger kids in the stead of their parents. They can take classes to become midwives through online/correspondence courses. One of the oldest daughters is widely known outside of the show to have been sent to 'leadership' camp a few times when she's gotten out of line.

Also, after the oldest son got married, his wife said publicly that she didn't think they'd be participating in the have babies until you can't anymore thing. Now, her husband is the one who does the talking on that, and says they've decided to go that route. His wife miscarried their first kid, and I think they're already on kid #3.

No option to do anything else besides raise the kids, get their midwife certification, and get married are presented to the daughters in that family. When they express interest in anything else, for example, one daughter said she'd like to move to a city and become a photographer, they are told with a cold-eyed BIG SMILE to work on their contentment. Be happy raising JimBob and Michelle's kids for them, or go to 'leadership' camp and get the fear of god's wrath put back into you.

I can't deal with that show or that family.

But, again, this is their choice. If they wanted to, they could leave. Yes, it may very well be difficult to leave a family like that, but they could if they wanted to once they were an adult. No one forced that girl to marry that guy.

I don't necessarily agree with what their family does, I certainly don't want 20 kids and from what you're saying, I don't agree with their parenting style. However, I still feel that there is nothing wrong with having lots of kids and doing that if that's what you want.

@ohannahbell said it's "sad and terrible" that a girl is choosing to get married, have lots of children and be a stay-at-home-mom. That's not sad and terrible if that's what you want to do.

Leave and do what? Where would they go? How would they live? I don't know a lot about the family, I don't watch their show. However, from what has been described here the girls have no means of making a living. If they have been taught that they are supposed to be "content" and not have any ambition or stand up for themselves they would be prey for predators out in the real world.

chibiyui · July 2014

lovesclimbing said:

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beethery said:

lovesclimbing said:

I got married half way through my junior year and I just got my fancy expensive piece of paper, also known as a bachelor's degree, in the mail yesterday!

ohannabelle said:

MagicInk said:

lyndausvi said:

This is something I would expect to see at one of the schools the Duggar-like girls would attend.

Do they even attend college? I know their home schooled, but I never heard any of the girls talk about attending college.

I don't think Duggar girls go to college. Their ambitions seem to be to following Mom's example, and have an endless of multitude of little Duggarettes piling out of their vaginas like clowns from a clown car. Sad and terrible.

I think this is a bit harsh on them. Maybe that's not what you want to do, but some people genuinely want a large family. It is not sad and terrible if that's what they want to do. They are CHOOSING to stay and do this. If they wanted, they could leave and go to college or do any number of things after turning 18.*

*Disclaimer: I have not watched the show and don't know a whole lot about it.

Unfortunately, the Duggar girls are told to work on their contentment when they happen to say anything about wanting to do something other than stay at home at raise the younger kids in the stead of their parents. They can take classes to become midwives through online/correspondence courses. One of the oldest daughters is widely known outside of the show to have been sent to 'leadership' camp a few times when she's gotten out of line.

Also, after the oldest son got married, his wife said publicly that she didn't think they'd be participating in the have babies until you can't anymore thing. Now, her husband is the one who does the talking on that, and says they've decided to go that route. His wife miscarried their first kid, and I think they're already on kid #3.

No option to do anything else besides raise the kids, get their midwife certification, and get married are presented to the daughters in that family. When they express interest in anything else, for example, one daughter said she'd like to move to a city and become a photographer, they are told with a cold-eyed BIG SMILE to work on their contentment. Be happy raising JimBob and Michelle's kids for them, or go to 'leadership' camp and get the fear of god's wrath put back into you.

I can't deal with that show or that family.

But, again, this is their choice. If they wanted to, they could leave. Yes, it may very well be difficult to leave a family like that, but they could if they wanted to once they were an adult. No one forced that girl to marry that guy.

I don't necessarily agree with what their family does, I certainly don't want 20 kids and from what you're saying, I don't agree with their parenting style. However, I still feel that there is nothing wrong with having lots of kids and doing that if that's what you want.

@ohannahbell said it's "sad and terrible" that a girl is choosing to get married, have lots of children and be a stay-at-home-mom. That's not sad and terrible if that's what you want to do.

There is nothing "sad and terrible" about being a stay-at-home Mom with lots of kids if that is your own choice. There is everything sad and terrible about being raised in an environment where that is the only way to properly serve God, which you are told is the entire purpose of your life, and any time you suggest wanting more or doing something different you're sent to a "special" camp to learn about how wrong you are, and then you do get married and have lots of kids and stay at home not because you want to, but because you were never given a fucking choice.

Going against their parents wishes would most likely cause a communal shunning. It's easy to say that they have a choice, and sure, their parents can't legally do anything to them after 18, but lets be honest here, the average person doesn't have the will power to not only form their own thoughts and opinions after being raised like that, let alone walk out (keep in mind, this in their beliefs would basically as far as their told, damn them to hell) and start a life from scratch.

Chipmunk415 · July 2014

Ugh I was bullied throughout middle and high school. I was into academics and non popular sports. There was a lot of emotional scarring, but I could never retaliate due to 1) being raised that "nothing the principal did would compare to what happened when I got home" and 2) we lived in a very litigious state and with my dad's medical practice, there was a higher probability of him being sued because of me since people thought being a doctor = huge piles of money.

My satisfaction will come next year at my 10 year reunion. The majority of the bullies who talked about how awesome they were and how much more successful they would be still have entry level jobs amd 3 kids by different men/women to support, no education etc. The remainder of the bullies are in jail/prison.

Senecaf · July 2014

I'm super late to this conversation but that picture makes me sad. It also surprises me.

Maybe because I was raised communally buy poor hippie feminist women, but no one is proud of my engament. Happy, yes, but no pride. College graduation was a huge deal. And that isn't just my family. It's friends and the people I know in general. That could also be because graduating college doesn't happen for many people I know socially.

hellosweetie1015 · July 2014

@flantastic, @lolo883 and @lovesclimbing

I was homeschooled too! I went all the way through tenth grade, when I got a phenomenal opportunity to go to the best private school in our area for free. The tuition was more expensive when I graduated than it was at the state university I went to my freshman year. I had a scholarship and a "benefactor". I joined the newspaper, and my first assignment was to look at the differences between homeschooling and traditional school. When I read the article, the title ticked me off so much: "Welcome to REAL school."

I was a very shy, quiet person, so I didn't say anything, but I went home that day and RAVED AND RANTED AND BITCHED AND COMPLAINED because I felt like the ten years that prepared me to compete in that academic-elitist environment were being COMPLETELY DISCOUNTED. Clearly I still have a lot of ragey feelings about that....

theartistformerlyknownas · July 2014

CaitTDid23 said:
@flantastic, @lolo883 and @lovesclimbing

I was homeschooled too! I went all the way through tenth grade, when I got a phenomenal opportunity to go to the best private school in our area for free. The tuition was more expensive when I graduated than it was at the state university I went to my freshman year. I had a scholarship and a "benefactor". I joined the newspaper, and my first assignment was to look at the differences between homeschooling and traditional school. When I read the article, the title ticked me off so much: "Welcome to REAL school."

I was a very shy, quiet person, so I didn't say anything, but I went home that day and RAVED AND RANTED AND BITCHED AND COMPLAINED because I felt like the ten years that prepared me to compete in that academic-elitist environment were being COMPLETELY DISCOUNTED. Clearly I still have a lot of ragey feelings about that....

OMG I would spit fire. But YAY homeschoolers!

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