Closing a thread

VulgarGirl · September 2014

pinkrevenge said:

Just putting this out here, completely unrelated to anything or anyone-
Being specifically attracted to preteens and teenagers is Ephebophilia.

Which, again, lest anyone thing I'm calling anyone out, I'm just putting out there for general knowledge.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew there was a word and I cannot not remember what it was and wikipedia would not help me but now I know!!!! I can move on with my day now.

theartistformerlyknownas · September 2014

beethery said:

SBmini said:

beethery said:

JCbride2015 said:

SBmini said:

Someone brought up threads with gifs and what not and why those aren't closed. For a time, The Knot was completely unmoderated. There weren't even reported posts. As such, there was no way for these threads to be closed. In the future, when threads like that happen, they will be closed.

WHAT. Seriously?

I am not going to close a gif thread. You do whatever you want, but that is not my deal.

I made a mistake here and didn't quote the post in question. When a thread is made by someone who then deletes the original post which then turns into a gif thread will be closed. This is because per our mod directives- we're supposed to close threads when the OP deletes his/her account/the original post. General gif threads of course will be left open and encouraged!!!

Guys- this mod thing is new for everyone. The forum went a really long time without any oversight and it was obvious that this didn't work. It is going to take time for people to get used to having threads closed, posts deleted and members punished. Not everyone will agree with every action because it is impossible to please everyone. But please know that our actions are supposed to be what is best for the community as a whole. If you disagree with an action, please, bring it to our attention in the suggestion forum or via PM. No action is set in stone and can't be undone. We're going to figure out the correct level of intervention together. This thread has been a very good discussion as to when a thread has gone past the point of no return. Sometimes those threads a lot of fun for the people still posting, but they are like beating a dead horse. Sooner or later, someone has to stay enough is enough and encourage people to move on to threads that are still productive.

I think Lynda has done a fantastic job of explaining why she locked that thread and doesn't need to explain her actions further.

Edit- paragraphs

Going to clarify here.

When a poster asks for their entire account to be deleted, we also have to delete all their content, which includes all of their OPs, and any comments they have made.

If someone asks for their account to be deleted, we don't close their threads, we just get rid of all of their shit, because that's the rule we got.

What was that girl's name, she came in trolled hard, then made up a big sob story and got people on our side, then went all LOLTROLL and asked KP to delete her.

All her shit was gone when her account got deleted.

Right, but that's not "SS got butthurt and wanted to GBCK, so you just delete the one DD thread and leave the rest." It's also not "SS got butthurt and DDed her thread, so mods said presto delete-o." Just "if someone GBCKs, it's like Back to the Future and they never existed." It's always been like that. No?

southernbelle0915 · September 2014

lolo883 said:

beethery said:
Going to clarify here.

When a poster asks for their entire account to be deleted, we also have to delete all their content, which includes all of their OPs, and any comments they have made.

If someone asks for their account to be deleted, we don't close their threads, we just get rid of all of their shit, because that's the rule we got.

What was that girl's name, she came in trolled hard, then made up a big sob story and got people on our side, then went all LOLTROLL and asked KP to delete her.

All her shit was gone when her account got deleted.

Right, but that's not "SS got butthurt and wanted to GBCK, so you just delete the one DD thread and leave the rest." It's also not "SS got butthurt and DDed her thread, so mods said presto delete-o." Just "if someone GBCKs, it's like Back to the Future and they never existed." It's always been like that. No?

That's right.

sarawifenow · September 2014

Just got through all 6 pages.

I am just happy that GIFs are here to stay!

MairePoppy · September 2014

@JCBride2015 My understanding is the same as Lynda's. If someone requests that her account be closed, all her posts are automatically deleted, along with any threads she started.

ETA: This is not done at the mod level.

doeydo · September 2014

winchestered said:

WTF is going on here? Why are we still responding to Doey, in this fucking thread none the less? Props to @beethery. And thanks for answering @KnotPorscha, I appreciate it.

Why are people still responding to me? A PP basically called me an AW, so I responded to her. Then, PrettyGirlLost nicely reccomended something to me, and conversation about puppy gifs, etc. continue. Should I just stop posting in general? Holy moly.

ETA Sorry, messed up user name.

PrettyGirlLost · September 2014

SBmini said:

beethery said:

JCbride2015 said:

SBmini said:

Someone brought up threads with gifs and what not and why those aren't closed. For a time, The Knot was completely unmoderated. There weren't even reported posts. As such, there was no way for these threads to be closed. In the future, when threads like that happen, they will be closed.

WHAT. Seriously?

I am not going to close a gif thread. You do whatever you want, but that is not my deal.

I made a mistake here and didn't quote the post in question. When a thread is made by someone who then deletes the original post which then turns into a gif thread will be closed. This is because per our mod directives- we're supposed to close threads when the OP deletes his/her account/the original post. General gif threads of course will be left open and encouraged!!!

Guys- this mod thing is new for everyone. The forum went a really long time without any oversight and it was obvious that this didn't work. It is going to take time for people to get used to having threads closed, posts deleted and members punished. Not everyone will agree with every action because it is impossible to please everyone. But please know that our actions are supposed to be what is best for the community as a whole. If you disagree with an action, please, bring it to our attention in the suggestion forum or via PM. No action is set in stone and can't be undone. We're going to figure out the correct level of intervention together. This thread has been a very good discussion as to when a thread has gone past the point of no return. Sometimes those threads a lot of fun for the people still posting, but they are like beating a dead horse. Sooner or later, someone has to stay enough is enough and encourage people to move on to threads that are still productive.

I think Lynda has done a fantastic job of explaining why she locked that thread and doesn't need to explain her actions further.

Edit- paragraphs

No, you don't! You just don't get it, do you?

We don't want you, the mods, to "move us along" to threads that you as mods feel are still productive. That is not for you to decide.

If people are still posting in a thread even if the OP's initial issues has been addressed or it has veered off into a tangent a la the NuvaRing BC thread that became a discussion of all things sex related, and no one is violating the TOS then the thread is active and it is productive and it should not be closed because a mod used her subjective opinion to close it.

Again, I ask does TK not understand how a discussion forum works?

Discussions naturally wax and wane, veer off on tangents, and run their courses on their own.

When the community is "done" with a topic we will all just stop posting in it, and it will die as it falls off of the 1st page of each forum.

southernbelle0915 · September 2014

Just because...

beethery · September 2014

southernbelle0915 said:

lolo883 said:

beethery said:
Going to clarify here.

When a poster asks for their entire account to be deleted, we also have to delete all their content, which includes all of their OPs, and any comments they have made.

If someone asks for their account to be deleted, we don't close their threads, we just get rid of all of their shit, because that's the rule we got.

What was that girl's name, she came in trolled hard, then made up a big sob story and got people on our side, then went all LOLTROLL and asked KP to delete her.

All her shit was gone when her account got deleted.

Right, but that's not "SS got butthurt and wanted to GBCK, so you just delete the one DD thread and leave the rest." It's also not "SS got butthurt and DDed her thread, so mods said presto delete-o." Just "if someone GBCKs, it's like Back to the Future and they never existed." It's always been like that. No?

That's right.

If they don't request a complete account removal, the trail of nonsense they left in their wake stays for lols and puppies.

JCbride2015 · September 2014

PrettyGirlLost said:

SBmini said:

beethery said:

JCbride2015 said:

SBmini said:

Someone brought up threads with gifs and what not and why those aren't closed. For a time, The Knot was completely unmoderated. There weren't even reported posts. As such, there was no way for these threads to be closed. In the future, when threads like that happen, they will be closed.

WHAT. Seriously?

I am not going to close a gif thread. You do whatever you want, but that is not my deal.

I made a mistake here and didn't quote the post in question. When a thread is made by someone who then deletes the original post which then turns into a gif thread will be closed. This is because per our mod directives- we're supposed to close threads when the OP deletes his/her account/the original post. General gif threads of course will be left open and encouraged!!!

Guys- this mod thing is new for everyone. The forum went a really long time without any oversight and it was obvious that this didn't work. It is going to take time for people to get used to having threads closed, posts deleted and members punished. Not everyone will agree with every action because it is impossible to please everyone. But please know that our actions are supposed to be what is best for the community as a whole. If you disagree with an action, please, bring it to our attention in the suggestion forum or via PM. No action is set in stone and can't be undone. We're going to figure out the correct level of intervention together. This thread has been a very good discussion as to when a thread has gone past the point of no return. Sometimes those threads a lot of fun for the people still posting, but they are like beating a dead horse. Sooner or later, someone has to stay enough is enough and encourage people to move on to threads that are still productive.

I think Lynda has done a fantastic job of explaining why she locked that thread and doesn't need to explain her actions further.

Edit- paragraphs

No, you don't! You just don't get it, do you?

We don't want you, the mods, to "move us along" to threads that you as mods feel are still productive. That is not for you to decide.

If people are still posting in a thread even if the OP's initial issues has been addressed or it has veered off into a tangent a la the NuvaRing BC thread that became a discussion of all things sex related, and no one is violating the TOS then the thread is active and it is productive and it should not be closed because a mod used her subjective opinion to close it.

Again, I ask does TK not understand how a discussion forum works?

Discussions naturally wax and wane, veer off on tangents, and run their courses on their own.

When the community is "done" with a topic we will all just stop posting in it, and it will die as it falls off of the 1st page of each forum.

This times a million. If a thread is still "a lot of fun for the people still posting," I'd call that productive. My understanding when we got mods was that they were supposed to help with TOS violations, spammers, vendors, and zombie threads. Not somebody to move us along to new topics just because the OP peaced out, or the conversation took a turn.

And FTR, my NuvaRing post is probably my favorite I've ever been involved in on TK. If that was wrong, I don't want to be right.

[Deleted User] · September 2014

doeydo said:

winchestered said:

WTF is going on here? Why are we still responding to Doey, in this fucking thread none the less? Props to @beethery. And thanks for answering @KnotPorscha, I appreciate it.

Why are people still responding to me? A PP basically called me an AW, so I responded to her. Then, photokitty nicely reccomended something to me, and conversation about puppy gifs, etc. continue. Should I just stop posting in general? Holy moly.

-Leave your boyfriend-

Despite whatever weird thing you're thinking, I did not call you out. I said you give me hinky feelings, and sometimes you do. I've been around the internet for a while, I've been here when people have faked abuse, cancer, missing family members, pregnancies, dead babies, all kinds of truly horrific, unbelievable crap. It is astonishing the stuff people will make up to get attention and sympathy. I've seen it and it's made me a bitter internet hag.

And you know what? Sometimes you are a AW, but if your life really is the way it is? I don't blame you, because you need someone you can talk to. Since you don't seem to have anyone else, including THE PERSON YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING WITH, it's pretty normal that we get all of it.

But that said, you know my answer isn't going to change until your actions do, because we can't physically drag you out of your life.

mrsmagicgeek · September 2014

One thing to keep in mind is that on mobile (the mobile on my phone anyway, my tablet works differently) we don't see the little inbox symbol. I've noticed pms that were months old on the rare occasion I log on with my pc.

Not saying this should change anything, just that it's possible the pm is missed.

Might just be me, I rarely look because I have no friends and no one loves me.

hellosweetie1015 · September 2014

Holy god, I actually have a day of work and this happens?

KP, thanks for clarifying.

I think it would not be a hurtful decision to have an announcement linking people to a "Mod Suggestion Board" on every board across the site, to prevent us going ape-shit bananas every time a mod does something we don't agree with. If we have a SET GUIDELINE for them, we know where we stand, where they stand, where KP stands, and where the snowflakes stand, and if you've got a problem at THAT point, then it's not on the mods but on you.

PrettyGirlLost · September 2014

JCbride2015 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

SBmini said:

beethery said:

JCbride2015 said:

SBmini said:

Someone brought up threads with gifs and what not and why those aren't closed. For a time, The Knot was completely unmoderated. There weren't even reported posts. As such, there was no way for these threads to be closed. In the future, when threads like that happen, they will be closed.

WHAT. Seriously?

I am not going to close a gif thread. You do whatever you want, but that is not my deal.

I made a mistake here and didn't quote the post in question. When a thread is made by someone who then deletes the original post which then turns into a gif thread will be closed. This is because per our mod directives- we're supposed to close threads when the OP deletes his/her account/the original post. General gif threads of course will be left open and encouraged!!!

Guys- this mod thing is new for everyone. The forum went a really long time without any oversight and it was obvious that this didn't work. It is going to take time for people to get used to having threads closed, posts deleted and members punished. Not everyone will agree with every action because it is impossible to please everyone. But please know that our actions are supposed to be what is best for the community as a whole. If you disagree with an action, please, bring it to our attention in the suggestion forum or via PM. No action is set in stone and can't be undone. We're going to figure out the correct level of intervention together. This thread has been a very good discussion as to when a thread has gone past the point of no return. Sometimes those threads a lot of fun for the people still posting, but they are like beating a dead horse. Sooner or later, someone has to stay enough is enough and encourage people to move on to threads that are still productive.

I think Lynda has done a fantastic job of explaining why she locked that thread and doesn't need to explain her actions further.

Edit- paragraphs

No, you don't! You just don't get it, do you?

We don't want you, the mods, to "move us along" to threads that you as mods feel are still productive. That is not for you to decide.

If people are still posting in a thread even if the OP's initial issues has been addressed or it has veered off into a tangent a la the NuvaRing BC thread that became a discussion of all things sex related, and no one is violating the TOS then the thread is active and it is productive and it should not be closed because a mod used her subjective opinion to close it.

Again, I ask does TK not understand how a discussion forum works?

Discussions naturally wax and wane, veer off on tangents, and run their courses on their own.

When the community is "done" with a topic we will all just stop posting in it, and it will die as it falls off of the 1st page of each forum.

This times a million. If a thread is still "a lot of fun for the people still posting," I'd call that productive. My understanding when we got mods was that they were supposed to help with TOS violations, spammers, vendors, and zombie threads. Not somebody to move us along to new topics just because the OP peaced out, or the conversation took a turn.

And FTR, my NuvaRing post is probably my favorite I've ever been involved in on TK. If that was wrong, I don't want to be right.

This^

In my opinion Mods are supposed to try and make peace and ward of vendors who haven't paid TK to advertise here, not control discussions.

southernbelle0915 · September 2014

CaitTDid23 said:

Holy god, I actually have a day of work and this happens?

KP, thanks for clarifying.

I think it would not be a hurtful decision to have an announcement linking people to a "Mod Suggestion Board" on every board across the site, to prevent us going ape-shit bananas every time a mod does something we don't agree with. If we have a SET GUIDELINE for them, we know where we stand, where they stand, where KP stands, and where the snowflakes stand, and if you've got a problem at THAT point, then it's not on the mods but on you.

what do y'all think of this suggestion?

PrettyGirlLost · September 2014

southernbelle0915 said:

CaitTDid23 said:

Holy god, I actually have a day of work and this happens?

KP, thanks for clarifying.

I think it would not be a hurtful decision to have an announcement linking people to a "Mod Suggestion Board" on every board across the site, to prevent us going ape-shit bananas every time a mod does something we don't agree with. If we have a SET GUIDELINE for them, we know where we stand, where they stand, where KP stands, and where the snowflakes stand, and if you've got a problem at THAT point, then it's not on the mods but on you.

what do y'all think of this suggestion?

It doesn't make sense to me because it directs people away from the relevant thread and forum to a separate forum, and gives the appearance that you don't actually want to publicly discuss the decision in question.

Take this as a genuine question- not snark- why don't you want to discuss things in this format? Why do you think a discussion like this is better suoited on a separate board?

theartistformerlyknownas · September 2014

beethery said:

southernbelle0915 said:

lolo883 said:

beethery said:
Going to clarify here.

When a poster asks for their entire account to be deleted, we also have to delete all their content, which includes all of their OPs, and any comments they have made.

If someone asks for their account to be deleted, we don't close their threads, we just get rid of all of their shit, because that's the rule we got.

What was that girl's name, she came in trolled hard, then made up a big sob story and got people on our side, then went all LOLTROLL and asked KP to delete her.

All her shit was gone when her account got deleted.

Right, but that's not "SS got butthurt and wanted to GBCK, so you just delete the one DD thread and leave the rest." It's also not "SS got butthurt and DDed her thread, so mods said presto delete-o." Just "if someone GBCKs, it's like Back to the Future and they never existed." It's always been like that. No?

That's right.

If they don't request a complete account removal, the trail of nonsense they left in their wake stays for lols and puppies.

Unless SBMini thinks we should have better things to do.

JCbride2015 · September 2014

southernbelle0915 said:

CaitTDid23 said:

Holy god, I actually have a day of work and this happens?

KP, thanks for clarifying.

I think it would not be a hurtful decision to have an announcement linking people to a "Mod Suggestion Board" on every board across the site, to prevent us going ape-shit bananas every time a mod does something we don't agree with. If we have a SET GUIDELINE for them, we know where we stand, where they stand, where KP stands, and where the snowflakes stand, and if you've got a problem at THAT point, then it's not on the mods but on you.

what do y'all think of this suggestion?

I think it's fine to have a mod suggestion sticky somewhere to collect general thoughts. As a future measure, that makes sense.

But I think there's nothing wrong with discussion it right here, right now.

southernbelle0915 · September 2014

winchestered said:

Hai, yes, firing mods? Can we vote someone off mod island?

This totally matches your siggy pic!

slothiegal · September 2014

JCbride2015 said:

southernbelle0915 said:

CaitTDid23 said:

Holy god, I actually have a day of work and this happens?

KP, thanks for clarifying.

I think it would not be a hurtful decision to have an announcement linking people to a "Mod Suggestion Board" on every board across the site, to prevent us going ape-shit bananas every time a mod does something we don't agree with. If we have a SET GUIDELINE for them, we know where we stand, where they stand, where KP stands, and where the snowflakes stand, and if you've got a problem at THAT point, then it's not on the mods but on you.

what do y'all think of this suggestion?

I think it's fine to have a mod suggestion sticky somewhere to collect general thoughts. As a future measure, that makes sense.

But I think there's nothing wrong with discussion it right here, right now.

SIB

I like this idea.

[Deleted User] · September 2014

@winchesteredsaid:

Hai, yes, firing mods? Can we vote someone off mod island?

As I said before, if you have a problem with any of the mods you can definitely PM me and we will discuss what the issues are, and action will be taken if mods are abusing their power and not following the responsibilities laid out for them.

theartistformerlyknownas · September 2014

JCbride2015 said:

southernbelle0915 said:

CaitTDid23 said:

Holy god, I actually have a day of work and this happens?

KP, thanks for clarifying.

I think it would not be a hurtful decision to have an announcement linking people to a "Mod Suggestion Board" on every board across the site, to prevent us going ape-shit bananas every time a mod does something we don't agree with. If we have a SET GUIDELINE for them, we know where we stand, where they stand, where KP stands, and where the snowflakes stand, and if you've got a problem at THAT point, then it's not on the mods but on you.

what do y'all think of this suggestion?

I think it's fine to have a mod suggestion sticky somewhere to collect general thoughts. As a future measure, that makes sense.

But I think there's nothing wrong with discussion it right here, right now.

A mod suggestion board would be just like the tech help board that sometimes has discussions about other live threads that I NEVER see because I NEVER check it, but people post there because it's the only way to get KP involved. If there's a problem in a thread, it needs to be called out in that thread. IMO, calling someone's post out as against TOS isn't itself against TOS because it's not malicious. The TOS specifically state that's it's MALICIOUS call-outs that are no bueno. But if you're calling out "hey that thing you just said is against TOS, so nobody else say it" that's HELPFUL.

Fran1985 · September 2014

SBmini said:

beethery said:

JCbride2015 said:

SBmini said:

Someone brought up threads with gifs and what not and why those aren't closed. For a time, The Knot was completely unmoderated. There weren't even reported posts. As such, there was no way for these threads to be closed. In the future, when threads like that happen, they will be closed.
WHAT. Seriously?
I am not going to close a gif thread. You do whatever you want, but that is not my deal.
I made a mistake here and didn't quote the post in question. When a thread is made by someone who then deletes the original post which then turns into a gif thread will be closed. This is because per our mod directives- we're supposed to close threads when the OP deletes his/her account/the original post. General gif threads of course will be left open and encouraged!!!

Guys- this mod thing is new for everyone. The forum went a really long time without any oversight and it was obvious that this didn't work. It is going to take time for people to get used to having threads closed, posts deleted and members punished. Not everyone will agree with every action because it is impossible to please everyone. But please know that our actions are supposed to be what is best for the community as a whole. If you disagree with an action, please, bring it to our attention in the suggestion forum or via PM. No action is set in stone and can't be undone. We're going to figure out the correct level of intervention together. This thread has been a very good discussion as to when a thread has gone past the point of no return. Sometimes those threads a lot of fun for the people still posting, but they are like beating a dead horse. Sooner or later, someone has to stay enough is enough and encourage people to move on to threads that are still productive.

I think Lynda has done a fantastic job of explaining why she locked that thread and doesn't need to explain her actions further.

Edit- paragraphs

It must be KILLING you not to close this thread.

JCbride2015 · September 2014

lolo883 said:

JCbride2015 said:

southernbelle0915 said:

CaitTDid23 said:

Holy god, I actually have a day of work and this happens?

KP, thanks for clarifying.

I think it would not be a hurtful decision to have an announcement linking people to a "Mod Suggestion Board" on every board across the site, to prevent us going ape-shit bananas every time a mod does something we don't agree with. If we have a SET GUIDELINE for them, we know where we stand, where they stand, where KP stands, and where the snowflakes stand, and if you've got a problem at THAT point, then it's not on the mods but on you.

what do y'all think of this suggestion?

I think it's fine to have a mod suggestion sticky somewhere to collect general thoughts. As a future measure, that makes sense.

But I think there's nothing wrong with discussion it right here, right now.

A mod suggestion board would be just like the tech help board that sometimes has discussions about other live threads that I NEVER see because I NEVER check it, but people post there because it's the only way to get KP involved. If there's a problem in a thread, it needs to be called out in that thread. IMO, calling someone's post out as against TOS isn't itself against TOS because it's not malicious. The TOS specifically state that's it's MALICIOUS call-outs that are no bueno. But if you're calling out "hey that thing you just said is against TOS, so nobody else say it" that's HELPFUL.

True. This would only work if we could somehow mirror the exact same thread as an announcement at the top of every board, so if you're, say, on CC, you can see the "new" yellow tag on the mod suggestion board.

But I don't think it ever should be a substitute for calling out specific issues in the thread where it occurs. More like, for general ideas.

hellosweetie1015 · September 2014

PrettyGirlLost said:

southernbelle0915 said:

CaitTDid23 said:

Holy god, I actually have a day of work and this happens?

KP, thanks for clarifying.

I think it would not be a hurtful decision to have an announcement linking people to a "Mod Suggestion Board" on every board across the site, to prevent us going ape-shit bananas every time a mod does something we don't agree with. If we have a SET GUIDELINE for them, we know where we stand, where they stand, where KP stands, and where the snowflakes stand, and if you've got a problem at THAT point, then it's not on the mods but on you.

what do y'all think of this suggestion?

It doesn't make sense to me because it directs people away from the relevant thread and forum to a separate forum, and gives the appearance that you don't actually want to publicly discuss the decision in question.

Take this as a genuine question- not snark- why don't you want to discuss things in this format? Why do you think a discussion like this is better suoited on a separate board?

Higher visibility. This is in Chit Chat, one board on a forum of probably close to (if not over) a hundred boards. That means that only those posters who frequent this board are seeing this topic. If there's an announcement posted across all the boards - even if it just directs people to this post and not another - it's more likely to get input from posters on other boards.

slothiegal · September 2014

JCbride2015 said:

lolo883 said:

JCbride2015 said:

southernbelle0915 said:

CaitTDid23 said:

Holy god, I actually have a day of work and this happens?

KP, thanks for clarifying.

I think it would not be a hurtful decision to have an announcement linking people to a "Mod Suggestion Board" on every board across the site, to prevent us going ape-shit bananas every time a mod does something we don't agree with. If we have a SET GUIDELINE for them, we know where we stand, where they stand, where KP stands, and where the snowflakes stand, and if you've got a problem at THAT point, then it's not on the mods but on you.

what do y'all think of this suggestion?

I think it's fine to have a mod suggestion sticky somewhere to collect general thoughts. As a future measure, that makes sense.

But I think there's nothing wrong with discussion it right here, right now.

A mod suggestion board would be just like the tech help board that sometimes has discussions about other live threads that I NEVER see because I NEVER check it, but people post there because it's the only way to get KP involved. If there's a problem in a thread, it needs to be called out in that thread. IMO, calling someone's post out as against TOS isn't itself against TOS because it's not malicious. The TOS specifically state that's it's MALICIOUS call-outs that are no bueno. But if you're calling out "hey that thing you just said is against TOS, so nobody else say it" that's HELPFUL.

True. This would only work if we could somehow mirror the exact same thread as an announcement at the top of every board, so if you're, say, on CC, you can see the "new" yellow tag on the mod suggestion board.

But I don't think it ever should be a substitute for calling out specific issues in the thread where it occurs. More like, for general ideas.

Exactly; I'm sure people have ideas/suggestions even if there isn't a current issue at hand in a thread.

KatieinBkln · September 2014

This has been...elucidating.

At first I wasn't upset about the thread in question being closed. It had gone in a shitty direction, in my opinion (there are many reasons why a grown man with disabilities shouldn't date a teen, but I feel like the disability itself might be a reason why he would be emotionally attracted to her, without necessarily also being exclusively physically attracted to teens/preteens) but what the fuck do I know? I stated my piece, and I would have been pretty annoyed (and possibly vocal) if the pedo-talk had continued, but I was careful not to tell people how to post. I didn't even flag anyone, since I thought shit was misguided, not malicious.

Now that I'm reading these 1 billion responses and thinking about it, I have to agree with most people here that the closure of a thread is usually unwarranted. And I'd go a step further and say that it's probably more trouble than it's worth. Every time a thread closes, you'll get 8+ pages of outrage; who needs it? Just on a purely practical level, if I were a mod, I....wouldn't do it.

I was glad to hear that Lynda warned and deleted offending posts/posters (for all I know I didn't even get a chance to read the TOS-violating post by the time I got to the thread).

Here's a thought: If a mod finds herself deleting TOS violations and generally worrying that shit's getting too real, what about a very general Mod post saying, "This is just to let you all know that I've had to delete posts from this thread for TOS violations. Just a reminder to keep things civil." Or some such? I am also of the opinion that any Mod should be able to say "Hey Katie, chill out, you're inching toward the edge of TOS-violation," in the actual thread itself (if she sees the post in time, that is). I don't consider that "calling out" someone in a TOS-violating way; as others have said, that's just moderating.

ohannabelle · September 2014

PrettyGirlLost said:

JCbride2015 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

SBmini said:

beethery said:

JCbride2015 said:

SBmini said:

Someone brought up threads with gifs and what not and why those aren't closed. For a time, The Knot was completely unmoderated. There weren't even reported posts. As such, there was no way for these threads to be closed. In the future, when threads like that happen, they will be closed.

WHAT. Seriously?

I am not going to close a gif thread. You do whatever you want, but that is not my deal.

I made a mistake here and didn't quote the post in question. When a thread is made by someone who then deletes the original post which then turns into a gif thread will be closed. This is because per our mod directives- we're supposed to close threads when the OP deletes his/her account/the original post. General gif threads of course will be left open and encouraged!!!

Guys- this mod thing is new for everyone. The forum went a really long time without any oversight and it was obvious that this didn't work. It is going to take time for people to get used to having threads closed, posts deleted and members punished. Not everyone will agree with every action because it is impossible to please everyone. But please know that our actions are supposed to be what is best for the community as a whole. If you disagree with an action, please, bring it to our attention in the suggestion forum or via PM. No action is set in stone and can't be undone. We're going to figure out the correct level of intervention together. This thread has been a very good discussion as to when a thread has gone past the point of no return. Sometimes those threads a lot of fun for the people still posting, but they are like beating a dead horse. Sooner or later, someone has to stay enough is enough and encourage people to move on to threads that are still productive.

I think Lynda has done a fantastic job of explaining why she locked that thread and doesn't need to explain her actions further.

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No, you don't! You just don't get it, do you?

We don't want you, the mods, to "move us along" to threads that you as mods feel are still productive. That is not for you to decide.

If people are still posting in a thread even if the OP's initial issues has been addressed or it has veered off into a tangent a la the NuvaRing BC thread that became a discussion of all things sex related, and no one is violating the TOS then the thread is active and it is productive and it should not be closed because a mod used her subjective opinion to close it.

Again, I ask does TK not understand how a discussion forum works?

Discussions naturally wax and wane, veer off on tangents, and run their courses on their own.

When the community is "done" with a topic we will all just stop posting in it, and it will die as it falls off of the 1st page of each forum.

This times a million. If a thread is still "a lot of fun for the people still posting," I'd call that productive. My understanding when we got mods was that they were supposed to help with TOS violations, spammers, vendors, and zombie threads. Not somebody to move us along to new topics just because the OP peaced out, or the conversation took a turn.

And FTR, my NuvaRing post is probably my favorite I've ever been involved in on TK. If that was wrong, I don't want to be right.

This^

In my opinion Mods are supposed to try and make peace and ward of vendors who haven't paid TK to advertise here, not control discussions.

The above times five million. Adults don't need nannies, babysitters, and amateur supervisors to say, "Now, now, kids, let's remember what we were discussing and stay on topic! It's question time, not picture time!"

The very idea is insulting and offensive.

Stick to the above: "help with TOS violations, spammers, vendors, and zombie threads. Not somebody to move us along to new topics just because the OP peaced out, or the conversation took a turn."

I'm too old for babysitters, and mods deciding when a thread has "relevance" is strictly a matter of opinion. Stick to facts, TOS violations, spam, etc., and let the grown ups discuss what they will.

theartistformerlyknownas · September 2014

slothiegal said:

JCbride2015 said:

lolo883 said:

JCbride2015 said:

southernbelle0915 said:

CaitTDid23 said:

Holy god, I actually have a day of work and this happens?

KP, thanks for clarifying.

I think it would not be a hurtful decision to have an announcement linking people to a "Mod Suggestion Board" on every board across the site, to prevent us going ape-shit bananas every time a mod does something we don't agree with. If we have a SET GUIDELINE for them, we know where we stand, where they stand, where KP stands, and where the snowflakes stand, and if you've got a problem at THAT point, then it's not on the mods but on you.

what do y'all think of this suggestion?

I think it's fine to have a mod suggestion sticky somewhere to collect general thoughts. As a future measure, that makes sense.

But I think there's nothing wrong with discussion it right here, right now.

A mod suggestion board would be just like the tech help board that sometimes has discussions about other live threads that I NEVER see because I NEVER check it, but people post there because it's the only way to get KP involved. If there's a problem in a thread, it needs to be called out in that thread. IMO, calling someone's post out as against TOS isn't itself against TOS because it's not malicious. The TOS specifically state that's it's MALICIOUS call-outs that are no bueno. But if you're calling out "hey that thing you just said is against TOS, so nobody else say it" that's HELPFUL.

True. This would only work if we could somehow mirror the exact same thread as an announcement at the top of every board, so if you're, say, on CC, you can see the "new" yellow tag on the mod suggestion board.

But I don't think it ever should be a substitute for calling out specific issues in the thread where it occurs. More like, for general ideas.

Exactly; I'm sure people have ideas/suggestions even if there isn't a current issue at hand in a thread.

Isn't that what we did in the whole thread about what we wanted out of mods? Which doesn't seem to be what we ended up getting anyway, in certain circumstances?

I'm not suggesting we let the inmates run the asylum, but we had a pretty good baseline that lots of people, including regs, newbs, and those who ended up becoming mods, all agreed on. But now it's like we're back to square one looking for suggestions.

ashley8918 · September 2014

lolo883 said:
Isn't that what we did in the whole thread about what we wanted out of mods? Which doesn't seem to be what we ended up getting anyway, in certain circumstances?

I'm not suggesting we let the inmates run the asylum, but we had a pretty good baseline that lots of people, including regs, newbs, and those who ended up becoming mods, all agreed on. But now it's like we're back to square one looking for suggestions.

Yeah, I'm certain that we have already had this discussion. And it didn't seem to do much good anyway.

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