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  • AuroraRose41AuroraRose41 member
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    stefuhknee said:

    AuroraRose41 - There's nothing to identify. Racism exists. There is no legitimate reason or singular cause for it and there is nothing that any minority group is obliged to do so that people aren't racist.

    I never said that there was a legitimate reason or singular cause, just that there could be a plethora of causes and that identifying them (if they do contribute to the racial bias) and finding ways to combat them is something that should be explored. There are also many psychologists and social scientists who seem to think that there are reasons why it exists and ways of combating them: 



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    AuroraRose41 said:
    stefuhknee said:

    AuroraRose41 - There's nothing to identify. Racism exists. There is no legitimate reason or singular cause for it and there is nothing that any minority group is obliged to do so that people aren't racist.

    I never said that there was a legitimate reason or singular cause, just that there could be a plethora of causes and that identifying them (if they do contribute to the racial bias) and finding ways to combat them is something that should be explored. There are also many psychologists and social scientists who seem to think that there are reasons why it exists and ways of combating them: 


    So from what I've read based on the links you've provided is that the reason people are racist has a lot to do with themselves and the other racist people they have grown up around/with. None of this suggests that the minority who  accuses someone of racism (with good cause or not)are the reason to blame. In fact, they list the following causes: Self Esteem,Positive Distinctiveness (being in a group with like minded individuals that you perceive to be superior than other groups), Certainty and Structure (Afraid of Change), Survival & Dominance.
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    buttercup1958 said:
    Oh trust me I know how you guys feel. My dad has actually said "black people oppress themselves". And my brother thinks that since we have a nonwhite president racism is over and everyone has equal chances in this country. I want to constantly throw a chair at them but they never listen. So I just disagree and ignore sighed.

    DH teaches history to college freshmen. Each year he gets at least 10 paper that are like "slavery was so terrible! I can't believe we did that in this country! And I can't believe how racist people were. I'm so glad racism is over!"
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    stefuhknee said: AuroraRose41 said: stefuhknee said: AuroraRose41 - There's nothing to identify. Racism exists. There is no legitimate reason or singular cause for it and there is nothing that any minority group is obliged to do so that people aren't racist. I never said that there was a legitimate reason or singular cause, just that there could be a plethora of causes and that identifying them (if they do contribute to the racial bias) and finding ways to combat them is something that should be explored. There are also many psychologists and social scientists who seem to think that there are reasons why it exists and ways of combating them: 
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/death-love-sex-magic/201008/exploring-the-psychological-motives-racism

    http://www.apa.org/pi/oema/programs/racism/un-conference-plenary.aspxI
     So from what I've read based on the links you've provided is that the reason people are racist has a lot to do with themselves and the other racist people they have grown up around/with. None of this suggests that the minority who  accuses someone of racism (with good cause or not)are the reason to blame. In fact, they list the following causes: Self Esteem,Positive Distinctiveness (being in a group with like minded individuals that you perceive to be superior than other groups), Certainty and Structure (Afraid of Change), Survival & Dominance.
    Yes, I realize this. But you mentioned that Racism just exists and that there is nothing to identify and that there are no causes, and I was linking studies that prove that there are reasons that can exacerbate the issue according to psychologists and social scientists. This doesn't necessarily disprove that crying wolf also leads to it; but it was something else that     could possibly lead to it too, and there may be many other things that lead people to have these beliefs. 

    I'm sorry if I offended with statements yesterday; it was not my intent. My point is this: No one is born racist. There are reasons that people form racist beliefs, and identifying those and figuring out how to disprove them is what I believe to be the most effective way to combat this issue. 

    I provided an example of something that could potentially be a reason, but by no means is the only reason. I think that crying wolf can lessen the impact of a word and its meaning, and was the potential reason that people on Facebook mentioned the things that they did. This does not mean that I am making excuses for them; it's a way to identify why they feel the way that they do and figure out how to fix it. It is very difficult to fix a problem if you do not understand what caused it. 

    I'm an engineer, and use the scientific method to examine all problems. My job is actually to know the background of my projects in order to figure out why a problem exists. If I don't know the background, I can say "A problem exists", but I won't be able to fix it. This is the method that I am applying to this situation. 

    We know the problem is racism, but figuring out the background information (why it is so prevalent still, what lead people to believe the things that they do, and how to change that) is what I believe needs to be done to make progress on this issue. 

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