Shocking revelations about SOs

PrettyGirlLost · December 2014

SBmini said:

We got our dog because the previous owner got married and the husband didn't like dogs. So she gave her away. I was really shocked that someone would do that, especially for a dog as good and sweet as she is. DH has eczema because of the dog and he deals with it. Never once did he suggest we get rid of her- but we have decided that after she crosses the rainbow bridge, we either won't get another dog, or we'll get a hypoallergenic one.

However, a coworker and cat owner had a child who developed allergies to their cat. The second time they went to the hospital because their child couldn't breath, they decided that the cat had to go. And I would do the exact same thing if my child had an allergy like that. I'm not going to demand that my baby takes medication because of a pet.

Well chances are that child is going to have to take medication for allergies throughout the rest of their life, if the allergies were already so severe as a child. They will only get worse, not better.

And I'm not saying that the parents should or should not have gotten rid of their cat. But when people have allergies they typically worsen throughout their adult lives.

emmaaa · December 2014

PrettyGirlLost said:

emmaaa said:

I LOVE our pets. We have 3 dogs and a cat. We rent a house now and it was very important to us that we found a place to take our animals with us. We aren't in the best financial situation with FI in college working part time and me being the main provider with a lower income job (I will never make a ton of money), but we would go without eating to feed our pets.

With that being said, we don't have children. We were able to find a house without pet rent or deposits. We are able to afford groceries for ourselves. As much as I love my pets, I know that if there were children involved my thinking would change. If we weren't able to find a place to live because of our pets and we had to move for a job, we would do what we had to. Maybe find temporary housing first and then get them back. Or adopt them into a farm home because they live the country. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

A lot of animal rights activists say that you wouldn't give away your baby because of a new job or because you had to move or because you dog didn't like your baby. But that is like comparing apples and oranges. Pets are not equal to humans. They just aren't.

For people like you, they are not. For others they are.

I know people who have children and pets and they would never give up either- seriously there is no scenario where they would give up their dogs/cats. And some of these people have been through some shit.

There are always solutions, but what works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

I understand what you are saying. I was simply stating that as my personal philosophy.

theartistformerlyknownas · December 2014

It's not always so easy to just put a baby on allergy medication. Allergies can be so severe that the medication didn't solve it, their breathing is impacted, and that in turn impacts their development. Meds can also cause more adverse reactions in children than adults.

PrettyGirlLost · December 2014

lolo883 said:

It's not always so easy to just put a baby on allergy medication. Allergies can be so severe that the medication didn't solve it, their breathing is impacted, and that in turn impacts their development. Meds can also cause more adverse reactions in children than adults.

Like I said, I'm not saying that couple should or should not have gotten rid of the cat.

People who have such severe allergies as children typically will have them the rest of their lives, they will worsen as they age, and they will need to be on allergy meds for the rest of their lives.

sarawifenow · December 2014

It would be a cold day in hell that I gave up my animals. They are way more than pets for me. My beagle has been through more with me and seen me through darker times than my husband has. She is my best friend and I am so ok with saying that. If people have a problem with that, then judge away. I'll be happy getting my share of puppy kisses and kitten snuggles.

littlemushroom · December 2014

There isn't a lot of allergy medicine that is safe for infants. My friend's infant was allergic to the cats, and there wasn't a safe allergy medication for a newborn to take. The side affects that he would be subjected to were almost as bad as the allergy itself.

It sucked a LOT, but the cats had to go. She had had one for 15 years and had to rehome him because, in the end, her baby's health had to come first. Those animals were her children too. But sometimes hard choices have to be made.

SBmini · December 2014

PrettyGirlLost said:

emmaaa said:

I LOVE our pets. We have 3 dogs and a cat. We rent a house now and it was very important to us that we found a place to take our animals with us. We aren't in the best financial situation with FI in college working part time and me being the main provider with a lower income job (I will never make a ton of money), but we would go without eating to feed our pets.

With that being said, we don't have children. We were able to find a house without pet rent or deposits. We are able to afford groceries for ourselves. As much as I love my pets, I know that if there were children involved my thinking would change. If we weren't able to find a place to live because of our pets and we had to move for a job, we would do what we had to. Maybe find temporary housing first and then get them back. Or adopt them into a farm home because they live the country. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

A lot of animal rights activists say that you wouldn't give away your baby because of a new job or because you had to move or because you dog didn't like your baby. But that is like comparing apples and oranges. Pets are not equal to humans. They just aren't.

For people like you, they are not. For others they are.

I know people who have children and pets and they would never give up either- seriously there is no scenario where they would give up their dogs/cats. And some of these people have been through some shit.

There are always solutions, but what works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

I'm sorry, but if you think that a furry mammal who you bought at a store and will have for 8-20 years is the equivalent to your own flesh and blood whom your bore into this world. Then you have issues. They are not equal. If a cat mauls my kid, the cat is out. I don't care that the cat acted instinctively or the child unknowingly provoked it. I would never be able to trust that animal again.

PrettyGirlLost · December 2014

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

emmaaa said:

I LOVE our pets. We have 3 dogs and a cat. We rent a house now and it was very important to us that we found a place to take our animals with us. We aren't in the best financial situation with FI in college working part time and me being the main provider with a lower income job (I will never make a ton of money), but we would go without eating to feed our pets.

With that being said, we don't have children. We were able to find a house without pet rent or deposits. We are able to afford groceries for ourselves. As much as I love my pets, I know that if there were children involved my thinking would change. If we weren't able to find a place to live because of our pets and we had to move for a job, we would do what we had to. Maybe find temporary housing first and then get them back. Or adopt them into a farm home because they live the country. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

A lot of animal rights activists say that you wouldn't give away your baby because of a new job or because you had to move or because you dog didn't like your baby. But that is like comparing apples and oranges. Pets are not equal to humans. They just aren't.

For people like you, they are not. For others they are.

I know people who have children and pets and they would never give up either- seriously there is no scenario where they would give up their dogs/cats. And some of these people have been through some shit.

There are always solutions, but what works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

I'm sorry, but if you think that a furry mammal who you bought at a store and will have for 8-20 years is the equivalent to your own flesh and blood whom your bore into this world. Then you have issues. They are not equal. If a cat mauls my kid, the cat is out. I don't care that the cat acted instinctively or the child unknowingly provoked it. I would never be able to trust that animal again.

No, actually I don't have issues. I'm very well balanced and I have a deep respect for all life, especially the lives of those whom are at the mercy of others- animals, children, the elderly, the disabled.

But thanks for the unsolicited diagnosis and insulting several people on this board who value their pets, and all life, equally or with the same love as they do their children and families.

I'm not going to get into this discussion, yet again, especially not with a person whom obviously has zero respect for other people's opinions.

You can do whatever you want with your pets, no one was actually judging you.

And P.S- I don't buy pets from stores, I rescue them from shelters or rescue organizations in an attempt to keep them from being euthanized because some asshole non-furry mammal dumped them off. Human beings, who are just animals BTW, do some awful fucking shit to animals. It disgusts me.

Maggie0829 · December 2014

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

emmaaa said:

I LOVE our pets. We have 3 dogs and a cat. We rent a house now and it was very important to us that we found a place to take our animals with us. We aren't in the best financial situation with FI in college working part time and me being the main provider with a lower income job (I will never make a ton of money), but we would go without eating to feed our pets.

With that being said, we don't have children. We were able to find a house without pet rent or deposits. We are able to afford groceries for ourselves. As much as I love my pets, I know that if there were children involved my thinking would change. If we weren't able to find a place to live because of our pets and we had to move for a job, we would do what we had to. Maybe find temporary housing first and then get them back. Or adopt them into a farm home because they live the country. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

A lot of animal rights activists say that you wouldn't give away your baby because of a new job or because you had to move or because you dog didn't like your baby. But that is like comparing apples and oranges. Pets are not equal to humans. They just aren't.

For people like you, they are not. For others they are.

I know people who have children and pets and they would never give up either- seriously there is no scenario where they would give up their dogs/cats. And some of these people have been through some shit.

There are always solutions, but what works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

I'm sorry, but if you think that a furry mammal who you bought at a store and will have for 8-20 years is the equivalent to your own flesh and blood whom your bore into this world. Then you have issues. They are not equal. If a cat mauls my kid, the cat is out. I don't care that the cat acted instinctively or the child unknowingly provoked it. I would never be able to trust that animal again.

What if your child mauled your cat? Would you get rid of your kid? Would you never be able to trust your kid again?

ETA: And weren't you the one who started this thread because you couldn't believe that your H would so willingly give up your dog if you decided to move? I mean the OP and this post are complete 180's.

PrettyGirlLost · December 2014

Maggie0829 said:

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

emmaaa said:

I LOVE our pets. We have 3 dogs and a cat. We rent a house now and it was very important to us that we found a place to take our animals with us. We aren't in the best financial situation with FI in college working part time and me being the main provider with a lower income job (I will never make a ton of money), but we would go without eating to feed our pets.

With that being said, we don't have children. We were able to find a house without pet rent or deposits. We are able to afford groceries for ourselves. As much as I love my pets, I know that if there were children involved my thinking would change. If we weren't able to find a place to live because of our pets and we had to move for a job, we would do what we had to. Maybe find temporary housing first and then get them back. Or adopt them into a farm home because they live the country. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

A lot of animal rights activists say that you wouldn't give away your baby because of a new job or because you had to move or because you dog didn't like your baby. But that is like comparing apples and oranges. Pets are not equal to humans. They just aren't.

For people like you, they are not. For others they are.

I know people who have children and pets and they would never give up either- seriously there is no scenario where they would give up their dogs/cats. And some of these people have been through some shit.

There are always solutions, but what works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

I'm sorry, but if you think that a furry mammal who you bought at a store and will have for 8-20 years is the equivalent to your own flesh and blood whom your bore into this world. Then you have issues. They are not equal. If a cat mauls my kid, the cat is out. I don't care that the cat acted instinctively or the child unknowingly provoked it. I would never be able to trust that animal again.

What if your child mauled your cat? Would you get rid of your kid? Would you never be able to trust your kid again?

Please. You obviously just have issues if you think the two scenarios are the same.

Nevermind the fact that in most cases when a child is hurt by an animal it's because their parents or other adults weren't fucking supervising them. So baby Susie is pulling on Fido's ears and OMG it's sooo cute, but when Fido snaps at Baby Susie, because Baby Susie is hurting Fido, then Fido is the bad one and gets dumped off at a kill shelter.

AddieCake · December 2014

Yeah, I'm pretty confused now by the 180.

sarawifenow · December 2014

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

emmaaa said:

I LOVE our pets. We have 3 dogs and a cat. We rent a house now and it was very important to us that we found a place to take our animals with us. We aren't in the best financial situation with FI in college working part time and me being the main provider with a lower income job (I will never make a ton of money), but we would go without eating to feed our pets.

With that being said, we don't have children. We were able to find a house without pet rent or deposits. We are able to afford groceries for ourselves. As much as I love my pets, I know that if there were children involved my thinking would change. If we weren't able to find a place to live because of our pets and we had to move for a job, we would do what we had to. Maybe find temporary housing first and then get them back. Or adopt them into a farm home because they live the country. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

A lot of animal rights activists say that you wouldn't give away your baby because of a new job or because you had to move or because you dog didn't like your baby. But that is like comparing apples and oranges. Pets are not equal to humans. They just aren't.

For people like you, they are not. For others they are.

I know people who have children and pets and they would never give up either- seriously there is no scenario where they would give up their dogs/cats. And some of these people have been through some shit.

There are always solutions, but what works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

I'm sorry, but if you think that a furry mammal who you bought at a store and will have for 8-20 years is the equivalent to your own flesh and blood whom your bore into this world. Then you have issues. They are not equal. If a cat mauls my kid, the cat is out. I don't care that the cat acted instinctively or the child unknowingly provoked it. I would never be able to trust that animal again.

Well then I guess I have issues then because my pets are family. Yep, I am ok if those are the "issues" I have.

theartistformerlyknownas · December 2014

I don't feel like it's a 180. She was saying decisions you make now can and should be guided by the pet you have now - you don't pre-emptively get rid of a pet for a situation that's temporary and/or avoidable. Which I agree with to a certain extent - I wouldn't get rid of my dog so I could stay with my mom temporarily before buying a new house, I'd find a better solution that would eventually get me my dog back. But she's also acknowledging that once children enter the picture, they become the top priority, and you can't allow an animal to stay in your home that endangers your child. The health and safety of your human children > keeping your pets physically in your possession. Which I also agree with.

PrettyGirlLost · December 2014

lolo883 said:

I don't feel like it's a 180. She was saying decisions you make now can and should be guided by the pet you have now - you don't pre-emptively get rid of a pet for a situation that's temporary and/or avoidable. Which I agree with to a certain extent - I wouldn't get rid of my dog so I could stay with my mom temporarily before buying a new house, I'd find a better solution that would eventually get me my dog back. But she's also acknowledging that once children enter the picture, they become the top priority, and you can't allow an animal to stay in your home that endangers your child. The health and safety of your human children > keeping your pets physically in your possession. Which I also agree with.

That's not what she said.

I said to emmaaa that not everyone feels pets are not equal or as important as people. SBMini then quoted me and stated that anyone who thinks like that has issues. If she actually meant what you have just said, then she needs to learn how to form an argument so that she communicates her views without insulting people.

Part of being a responsible parent and pet owner is to never leave your children unattended with your pets, so stupid situations like SBMini described are avoided. Children also need to be taught how to safely interact with animals and how to correctly read their body language. Children are clueless unless taught.

jdluvr06 · December 2014

PrettyGirlLost said:

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

emmaaa said:

I LOVE our pets. We have 3 dogs and a cat. We rent a house now and it was very important to us that we found a place to take our animals with us. We aren't in the best financial situation with FI in college working part time and me being the main provider with a lower income job (I will never make a ton of money), but we would go without eating to feed our pets.

With that being said, we don't have children. We were able to find a house without pet rent or deposits. We are able to afford groceries for ourselves. As much as I love my pets, I know that if there were children involved my thinking would change. If we weren't able to find a place to live because of our pets and we had to move for a job, we would do what we had to. Maybe find temporary housing first and then get them back. Or adopt them into a farm home because they live the country. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

A lot of animal rights activists say that you wouldn't give away your baby because of a new job or because you had to move or because you dog didn't like your baby. But that is like comparing apples and oranges. Pets are not equal to humans. They just aren't.

For people like you, they are not. For others they are.

I know people who have children and pets and they would never give up either- seriously there is no scenario where they would give up their dogs/cats. And some of these people have been through some shit.

There are always solutions, but what works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

I'm sorry, but if you think that a furry mammal who you bought at a store and will have for 8-20 years is the equivalent to your own flesh and blood whom your bore into this world. Then you have issues. They are not equal. If a cat mauls my kid, the cat is out. I don't care that the cat acted instinctively or the child unknowingly provoked it. I would never be able to trust that animal again.

No, actually I don't have issues. I'm very well balanced and I have a deep respect for all life, especially the lives of those whom are at the mercy of others- animals, children, the elderly, the disabled.

But thanks for the unsolicited diagnosis and insulting several people on this board who value their pets, and all life, equally or with the same love as they do their children and families.

I'm not going to get into this discussion, yet again, especially not with a person whom obviously has zero respect for other people's opinions.

You can do whatever you want with your pets, no one was actually judging you.

And P.S- I don't buy pets from stores, I rescue them from shelters or rescue organizations in an attempt to keep them from being euthanized because some asshole non-furry mammal dumped them off. Human beings, who are just animals BTW, do some awful fucking shit to animals. It disgusts me.

I can't hold because I'm on mobile but thank you for your comment PLG. It is a deeply held religious belief of mine that all life is of equal value and no one form of life is greater than another. I don't appreciate people saying I have "issues" because of a belief that is an integral part of my belief system.

Maggie0829 · December 2014

PrettyGirlLost said:

Maggie0829 said:

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

emmaaa said:

I LOVE our pets. We have 3 dogs and a cat. We rent a house now and it was very important to us that we found a place to take our animals with us. We aren't in the best financial situation with FI in college working part time and me being the main provider with a lower income job (I will never make a ton of money), but we would go without eating to feed our pets.

With that being said, we don't have children. We were able to find a house without pet rent or deposits. We are able to afford groceries for ourselves. As much as I love my pets, I know that if there were children involved my thinking would change. If we weren't able to find a place to live because of our pets and we had to move for a job, we would do what we had to. Maybe find temporary housing first and then get them back. Or adopt them into a farm home because they live the country. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

A lot of animal rights activists say that you wouldn't give away your baby because of a new job or because you had to move or because you dog didn't like your baby. But that is like comparing apples and oranges. Pets are not equal to humans. They just aren't.

For people like you, they are not. For others they are.

I know people who have children and pets and they would never give up either- seriously there is no scenario where they would give up their dogs/cats. And some of these people have been through some shit.

There are always solutions, but what works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

I'm sorry, but if you think that a furry mammal who you bought at a store and will have for 8-20 years is the equivalent to your own flesh and blood whom your bore into this world. Then you have issues. They are not equal. If a cat mauls my kid, the cat is out. I don't care that the cat acted instinctively or the child unknowingly provoked it. I would never be able to trust that animal again.

What if your child mauled your cat? Would you get rid of your kid? Would you never be able to trust your kid again?

Please. You obviously just have issues if you think the two scenarios are the same.

Nevermind the fact that in most cases when a child is hurt by an animal it's because their parents or other adults weren't fucking supervising them. So baby Susie is pulling on Fido's ears and OMG it's sooo cute, but when Fido snaps at Baby Susie, because Baby Susie is hurting Fido, then Fido is the bad one and gets dumped off at a kill shelter.

Yeah my response was kind of tongue and cheek. Of course I wouldn't expect a person to give up their child if their child harmed their pet. I would, however, expect the parent to TEACH their child how to treat and act around animals so that situations that SBMimi proposed don't happen. I would also expect a parent to SUPERVISE their young child around any animal since young kids tend to be rough without realizing it.

PrettyGirlLost · December 2014

Maggie0829 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

Maggie0829 said:

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

emmaaa said:

I LOVE our pets. We have 3 dogs and a cat. We rent a house now and it was very important to us that we found a place to take our animals with us. We aren't in the best financial situation with FI in college working part time and me being the main provider with a lower income job (I will never make a ton of money), but we would go without eating to feed our pets.

With that being said, we don't have children. We were able to find a house without pet rent or deposits. We are able to afford groceries for ourselves. As much as I love my pets, I know that if there were children involved my thinking would change. If we weren't able to find a place to live because of our pets and we had to move for a job, we would do what we had to. Maybe find temporary housing first and then get them back. Or adopt them into a farm home because they live the country. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

A lot of animal rights activists say that you wouldn't give away your baby because of a new job or because you had to move or because you dog didn't like your baby. But that is like comparing apples and oranges. Pets are not equal to humans. They just aren't.

For people like you, they are not. For others they are.

I know people who have children and pets and they would never give up either- seriously there is no scenario where they would give up their dogs/cats. And some of these people have been through some shit.

There are always solutions, but what works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

I'm sorry, but if you think that a furry mammal who you bought at a store and will have for 8-20 years is the equivalent to your own flesh and blood whom your bore into this world. Then you have issues. They are not equal. If a cat mauls my kid, the cat is out. I don't care that the cat acted instinctively or the child unknowingly provoked it. I would never be able to trust that animal again.

What if your child mauled your cat? Would you get rid of your kid? Would you never be able to trust your kid again?

Please. You obviously just have issues if you think the two scenarios are the same.

Nevermind the fact that in most cases when a child is hurt by an animal it's because their parents or other adults weren't fucking supervising them. So baby Susie is pulling on Fido's ears and OMG it's sooo cute, but when Fido snaps at Baby Susie, because Baby Susie is hurting Fido, then Fido is the bad one and gets dumped off at a kill shelter.

Yeah my response was kind of tongue and cheek. Of course I wouldn't expect a person to give up their child if their child harmed their pet. I would, however, expect the parent to TEACH their child how to treat and act around animals so that situations that SBMimi proposed don't happen. I would also expect a parent to SUPERVISE their young child around any animal since young kids tend to be rough without realizing it.

I know it was sarcastic! I was being snarky, lol.

doeydo · December 2014

Thank god I don't have to worry about having kids. Regarding SOs that are allergic, I would never date someone that would not be OK with my cats or not being OK with having animals pretty much all through their lives (whether that be from allergies or not liking animals so much). My cats are equal if not more important than the majority of people in my life. I have issues, but I don't think my belief that animals' lives are as important as humans' is one of them.

sarahufl · December 2014

lolo883 said:

jdluvr06 said:

I honestly can't imagine a scenario where I would give up my animals. I would find a way to keep and provide for them even if it meant taking a job digging ditches.

What if your baby was allergic to them? Would they have a better life being locked up, or in a new loving home?

If anything ever happened where I couldn't keep my dog physically in my home, I'd ensure he was loved and provided for, even if it was in a different home. I'd never abandon him, but there are some scenarios where keeping him physically with me just couldn't be the top priority.

This is how my parents ended up with their dog. We had a family dog for 18 years and he died. Our vet's daughter had a baby and the dog hated the kid. We were all out of the house, so my parents didn't need to worry about the baby thing. When the daughter found out our dog died, she called my parents and said she couldn't think of a better home for her dog and she wanted them to have him.

Five years later, he is still there. Happy as hell. Loved so much- both the daughter and my parents won in that situation. Plus, he still gets to see grandma (the vet). In fact, he is so good, they let him "work" at the desk when he gets boarded when my parents leave town!

Maggie0829 · December 2014

PrettyGirlLost said:

Maggie0829 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

Maggie0829 said:

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

emmaaa said:

I LOVE our pets. We have 3 dogs and a cat. We rent a house now and it was very important to us that we found a place to take our animals with us. We aren't in the best financial situation with FI in college working part time and me being the main provider with a lower income job (I will never make a ton of money), but we would go without eating to feed our pets.

With that being said, we don't have children. We were able to find a house without pet rent or deposits. We are able to afford groceries for ourselves. As much as I love my pets, I know that if there were children involved my thinking would change. If we weren't able to find a place to live because of our pets and we had to move for a job, we would do what we had to. Maybe find temporary housing first and then get them back. Or adopt them into a farm home because they live the country. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

A lot of animal rights activists say that you wouldn't give away your baby because of a new job or because you had to move or because you dog didn't like your baby. But that is like comparing apples and oranges. Pets are not equal to humans. They just aren't.

For people like you, they are not. For others they are.

I know people who have children and pets and they would never give up either- seriously there is no scenario where they would give up their dogs/cats. And some of these people have been through some shit.

There are always solutions, but what works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

I'm sorry, but if you think that a furry mammal who you bought at a store and will have for 8-20 years is the equivalent to your own flesh and blood whom your bore into this world. Then you have issues. They are not equal. If a cat mauls my kid, the cat is out. I don't care that the cat acted instinctively or the child unknowingly provoked it. I would never be able to trust that animal again.

What if your child mauled your cat? Would you get rid of your kid? Would you never be able to trust your kid again?

Please. You obviously just have issues if you think the two scenarios are the same.

Nevermind the fact that in most cases when a child is hurt by an animal it's because their parents or other adults weren't fucking supervising them. So baby Susie is pulling on Fido's ears and OMG it's sooo cute, but when Fido snaps at Baby Susie, because Baby Susie is hurting Fido, then Fido is the bad one and gets dumped off at a kill shelter.

Yeah my response was kind of tongue and cheek. Of course I wouldn't expect a person to give up their child if their child harmed their pet. I would, however, expect the parent to TEACH their child how to treat and act around animals so that situations that SBMimi proposed don't happen. I would also expect a parent to SUPERVISE their young child around any animal since young kids tend to be rough without realizing it.

I know it was sarcastic! I was being snarky, lol.

Damn my sarcastic/snarky radar is just not up to snuff today!

PrettyGirlLost · December 2014

I can't see it!!!!!

Maggie0829 · December 2014

PrettyGirlLost said:

I can't see it!!!!!

Did that work?

And I know I am not dumb (well not all the time...we all have our moments) but in this case I should have known better!

PrettyGirlLost · December 2014

Success, hahahaha!

climbingsingle · December 2014

As someone that's allergic to cats, I can't say that I would indefinitely make one of my children suffer through that. I guess it would depend on the severity of the allergy. My parents have cats, and sometimes going to their house really sucks. I can't stay longer than 24 hours, and OTC allergy meds don't seem to work anymore.

But I can say that under no circumstances would I give up my dog. We're not having kids, so no problems there. When I broke up with my ex, I had to find a dog friendly apartment. It was nearly impossible. I ended up paying $1400 a month for a one bedroom. But I made it work. Because in my mind, there was no other option.

I would also spend whatever money it cost to fix my dog, whether that be $1,000 or $10,000. You can judge me if you'd like. But really, if that's something my H and I agree on, I don't see why anyone would have a problem with that. My dog is the closest thing to a child I will ever have. And if I personally put her on the same level as a human, that's my choice. Again, judge away!

PrettyGirlLost · December 2014

ClimbingBrideNY said:

As someone that's allergic to cats, I can't say that I would indefinitely make one of my children suffer through that. I guess it would depend on the severity of the allergy. My parents have cats, and sometimes going to their house really sucks. I can't stay longer than 24 hours, and OTC allergy meds don't seem to work anymore.

But I can say that under no circumstances would I give up my dog. We're not having kids, so no problems there. When I broke up with my ex, I had to find a dog friendly apartment. It was nearly impossible. I ended up paying $1400 a month for a one bedroom. But I made it work. Because in my mind, there was no other option.

I would also spend whatever money it cost to fix my dog, whether that be $1,000 or $10,000. You can judge me if you'd like. But really, if that's something my H and I agree on, I don't see why anyone would have a problem with that. My dog is the closest thing to a child I will ever have. And if I personally put her on the same level as a human, that's my choice. Again, judge away!

I have a horse. . . ask me about potential vet bills, lol!

And here's the deal, I don't judge anyone who can't afford to spend X amount on a vet bill for one of their pets. I'm not made of money either. What works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

abbyj700 · December 2014

Label me one of those "screwed up" people. Our dogs are part of our family. While we were on our honeymoon we even commented that the only ones we missed at home were our fur babies!

You don't have to understand people who have a deep love for animals. But you also can't just decide that that means there is something wrong with them.

Yeah, if some criminal mastermind set something up so I'd have to pick the life of my dog or my husband - I'd pick my husband. But I'd also pick my husband over a stranger, and my dog over a rapist. So good luck on diagnosing me now. :-)

SBmini · December 2014

PrettyGirlLost said:

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

emmaaa said:

I LOVE our pets. We have 3 dogs and a cat. We rent a house now and it was very important to us that we found a place to take our animals with us. We aren't in the best financial situation with FI in college working part time and me being the main provider with a lower income job (I will never make a ton of money), but we would go without eating to feed our pets.

With that being said, we don't have children. We were able to find a house without pet rent or deposits. We are able to afford groceries for ourselves. As much as I love my pets, I know that if there were children involved my thinking would change. If we weren't able to find a place to live because of our pets and we had to move for a job, we would do what we had to. Maybe find temporary housing first and then get them back. Or adopt them into a farm home because they live the country. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

A lot of animal rights activists say that you wouldn't give away your baby because of a new job or because you had to move or because you dog didn't like your baby. But that is like comparing apples and oranges. Pets are not equal to humans. They just aren't.

For people like you, they are not. For others they are.

I know people who have children and pets and they would never give up either- seriously there is no scenario where they would give up their dogs/cats. And some of these people have been through some shit.

There are always solutions, but what works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

I'm sorry, but if you think that a furry mammal who you bought at a store and will have for 8-20 years is the equivalent to your own flesh and blood whom your bore into this world. Then you have issues. They are not equal. If a cat mauls my kid, the cat is out. I don't care that the cat acted instinctively or the child unknowingly provoked it. I would never be able to trust that animal again.

No, actually I don't have issues. I'm very well balanced and I have a deep respect for all life, especially the lives of those whom are at the mercy of others- animals, children, the elderly, the disabled.

But thanks for the unsolicited diagnosis and insulting several people on this board who value their pets, and all life, equally or with the same love as they do their children and families.

I'm not going to get into this discussion, yet again, especially not with a person whom obviously has zero respect for other people's opinions.

You can do whatever you want with your pets, no one was actually judging you.

And P.S- I don't buy pets from stores, I rescue them from shelters or rescue organizations in an attempt to keep them from being euthanized because some asshole non-furry mammal dumped them off. Human beings, who are just animals BTW, do some awful fucking shit to animals. It disgusts me.

Rehoming a pet is not the same as killing the animal. Get over yourself, that is absolutely not what I was saying. If my house is on fire, sorry dog, but I'm saving my baby first. And anyone who struggles with what living being they want saved first in that scenario is missing the bigger picture.

Maggie0829 · December 2014

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

emmaaa said:

I LOVE our pets. We have 3 dogs and a cat. We rent a house now and it was very important to us that we found a place to take our animals with us. We aren't in the best financial situation with FI in college working part time and me being the main provider with a lower income job (I will never make a ton of money), but we would go without eating to feed our pets.

With that being said, we don't have children. We were able to find a house without pet rent or deposits. We are able to afford groceries for ourselves. As much as I love my pets, I know that if there were children involved my thinking would change. If we weren't able to find a place to live because of our pets and we had to move for a job, we would do what we had to. Maybe find temporary housing first and then get them back. Or adopt them into a farm home because they live the country. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

A lot of animal rights activists say that you wouldn't give away your baby because of a new job or because you had to move or because you dog didn't like your baby. But that is like comparing apples and oranges. Pets are not equal to humans. They just aren't.

For people like you, they are not. For others they are.

I know people who have children and pets and they would never give up either- seriously there is no scenario where they would give up their dogs/cats. And some of these people have been through some shit.

There are always solutions, but what works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

I'm sorry, but if you think that a furry mammal who you bought at a store and will have for 8-20 years is the equivalent to your own flesh and blood whom your bore into this world. Then you have issues. They are not equal. If a cat mauls my kid, the cat is out. I don't care that the cat acted instinctively or the child unknowingly provoked it. I would never be able to trust that animal again.

No, actually I don't have issues. I'm very well balanced and I have a deep respect for all life, especially the lives of those whom are at the mercy of others- animals, children, the elderly, the disabled.

But thanks for the unsolicited diagnosis and insulting several people on this board who value their pets, and all life, equally or with the same love as they do their children and families.

I'm not going to get into this discussion, yet again, especially not with a person whom obviously has zero respect for other people's opinions.

You can do whatever you want with your pets, no one was actually judging you.

And P.S- I don't buy pets from stores, I rescue them from shelters or rescue organizations in an attempt to keep them from being euthanized because some asshole non-furry mammal dumped them off. Human beings, who are just animals BTW, do some awful fucking shit to animals. It disgusts me.

Rehoming a pet is not the same as killing the animal. Get over yourself, that is absolutely not what I was saying. If my house is on fire, sorry dog, but I'm saving my baby first. And anyone who struggles with what living being they want saved first in that scenario is missing the bigger picture.

And what bigger picture is that exactly?

PrettyGirlLost · December 2014

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

emmaaa said:

I LOVE our pets. We have 3 dogs and a cat. We rent a house now and it was very important to us that we found a place to take our animals with us. We aren't in the best financial situation with FI in college working part time and me being the main provider with a lower income job (I will never make a ton of money), but we would go without eating to feed our pets.

With that being said, we don't have children. We were able to find a house without pet rent or deposits. We are able to afford groceries for ourselves. As much as I love my pets, I know that if there were children involved my thinking would change. If we weren't able to find a place to live because of our pets and we had to move for a job, we would do what we had to. Maybe find temporary housing first and then get them back. Or adopt them into a farm home because they live the country. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

A lot of animal rights activists say that you wouldn't give away your baby because of a new job or because you had to move or because you dog didn't like your baby. But that is like comparing apples and oranges. Pets are not equal to humans. They just aren't.

For people like you, they are not. For others they are.

I know people who have children and pets and they would never give up either- seriously there is no scenario where they would give up their dogs/cats. And some of these people have been through some shit.

There are always solutions, but what works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

I'm sorry, but if you think that a furry mammal who you bought at a store and will have for 8-20 years is the equivalent to your own flesh and blood whom your bore into this world. Then you have issues. They are not equal. If a cat mauls my kid, the cat is out. I don't care that the cat acted instinctively or the child unknowingly provoked it. I would never be able to trust that animal again.

No, actually I don't have issues. I'm very well balanced and I have a deep respect for all life, especially the lives of those whom are at the mercy of others- animals, children, the elderly, the disabled.

But thanks for the unsolicited diagnosis and insulting several people on this board who value their pets, and all life, equally or with the same love as they do their children and families.

I'm not going to get into this discussion, yet again, especially not with a person whom obviously has zero respect for other people's opinions.

You can do whatever you want with your pets, no one was actually judging you.

And P.S- I don't buy pets from stores, I rescue them from shelters or rescue organizations in an attempt to keep them from being euthanized because some asshole non-furry mammal dumped them off. Human beings, who are just animals BTW, do some awful fucking shit to animals. It disgusts me.

Rehoming a pet is not the same as killing the animal. Get over yourself, that is absolutely not what I was saying. If my house is on fire, sorry dog, but I'm saving my baby first. And anyone who struggles with what living being they want saved first in that scenario is missing the bigger picture.

I made no comment related to re-homing pets and certainly didn't say that was akin to killing them? WTF are you reading? My original statement, which had nothing to do with a single thing you have posted in this thread, was simply that the sweeping generalization of humans and pets are not equal is simply not true for everyone.

And do you even know what you are writing?

"I'm sorry, but if you think that a furry mammal who you bought at a store and will have for 8-20 years is the equivalent to your own flesh and blood whom your bore into this world. Then you have issues."

That has nothing to do with re-homing animals. So what exactly were you trying to say? That you'd re-home an animal if you had a child who had issues related to the pet, beacause the child takes precedence? Ok, bully for you.

Oh look I was able to communicate that point without saying you had issues.

PrettyGirlLost · December 2014

Maggie0829 said:

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

SBmini said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

emmaaa said:

I LOVE our pets. We have 3 dogs and a cat. We rent a house now and it was very important to us that we found a place to take our animals with us. We aren't in the best financial situation with FI in college working part time and me being the main provider with a lower income job (I will never make a ton of money), but we would go without eating to feed our pets.

With that being said, we don't have children. We were able to find a house without pet rent or deposits. We are able to afford groceries for ourselves. As much as I love my pets, I know that if there were children involved my thinking would change. If we weren't able to find a place to live because of our pets and we had to move for a job, we would do what we had to. Maybe find temporary housing first and then get them back. Or adopt them into a farm home because they live the country. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

A lot of animal rights activists say that you wouldn't give away your baby because of a new job or because you had to move or because you dog didn't like your baby. But that is like comparing apples and oranges. Pets are not equal to humans. They just aren't.

For people like you, they are not. For others they are.

I know people who have children and pets and they would never give up either- seriously there is no scenario where they would give up their dogs/cats. And some of these people have been through some shit.

There are always solutions, but what works for one person or what one person is willing to do in a particular situation is not the same for everyone.

I'm sorry, but if you think that a furry mammal who you bought at a store and will have for 8-20 years is the equivalent to your own flesh and blood whom your bore into this world. Then you have issues. They are not equal. If a cat mauls my kid, the cat is out. I don't care that the cat acted instinctively or the child unknowingly provoked it. I would never be able to trust that animal again.

No, actually I don't have issues. I'm very well balanced and I have a deep respect for all life, especially the lives of those whom are at the mercy of others- animals, children, the elderly, the disabled.

But thanks for the unsolicited diagnosis and insulting several people on this board who value their pets, and all life, equally or with the same love as they do their children and families.

I'm not going to get into this discussion, yet again, especially not with a person whom obviously has zero respect for other people's opinions.

You can do whatever you want with your pets, no one was actually judging you.

And P.S- I don't buy pets from stores, I rescue them from shelters or rescue organizations in an attempt to keep them from being euthanized because some asshole non-furry mammal dumped them off. Human beings, who are just animals BTW, do some awful fucking shit to animals. It disgusts me.

Rehoming a pet is not the same as killing the animal. Get over yourself, that is absolutely not what I was saying. If my house is on fire, sorry dog, but I'm saving my baby first. And anyone who struggles with what living being they want saved first in that scenario is missing the bigger picture.

And what bigger picture is that exactly?

No, I'd say that person has a pretty solid clue as to what the bigger picture is and because of that, they have the struggle.

And most Buddhists would agree.

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