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A little bit creeped out-- Update (conundrum)

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edited January 2015 in Chit Chat
This is bugging me so I thought I'd vent (I don't know if vent is even the right word cuz it's not like I'm raging) to you ladies. 

This past weekend we went out of town to visit FI's best friend for his birthday. One of that guy's close friends was there too (let's call him Tom). I see Tom maybe a couple times a year since he lives in a different city and is the friend of a friend. He's a really nice guy (normally) and is really outgoing and fun to chat with. 

As soon as we went to dinner Tom got drunk. Like ordered 3 beers at a time. Which is not really out of the ordinary for him; every time I see him he ends up getting pretty drunk so whatever. Oh, and this is probably a good time to mention that he's married, but his wife wasn't out with us. 

At dinner it comes up that I had taken classes in MMA fighting, and apparently Tom was on his high school wrestling team. But he made the comment that I wouldn't want to fight him. He said I wouldn't like it because he would "put his hands all over" me. Um.. ok? Weird. And FI was sitting right there when he said it. 

After stopping by another bar we go back to the birthday guy's apartment where of course Tom keeps drinking. FI stepped out on the balcony to have a cigarette and the second he was out of sight Tom comes over to me and tries to have this very odd drunken heart-to-heart chat about what a "great girl" I am. Then he hugged me... and like wouldn't let go. I'm usually not weird about being hugged but it was a very creepy hug. And he kept trying to hug me over and over and over. I finally said "Ok, Tom, I think we've had enough hugs." So then -- I'm pretty sure-- he tried to kiss me. Like, was an inch away from my mouth but I side-stepped him really quick and then just tried to stay on the opposite side of the room as him. I felt like the way he was behaving would be deemed unacceptable by his wife because he was being so handsy, and regardless of a wife, it was making me really uncomfortable. He wasn't doing it to any of the other girls in the group. And even if he was, still wouldn't make it ok. 

When we were getting ready to leave (we were staying the night at a nearby hotel) Tom ambushed me out of nowhere and gave me a hug again. Not as creepy as before but at that point I didn't even want to be touched by him. FI was distracted saying goodbye to a friend and I was trying to make my way to the door and Tom blocked me and hugged me AGAIN. 

I was so creeped out and so bothered by it that I told FI when we got to our hotel. He said Tom always tends to get too handsy when he drinks a lot (which I had never personally noticed before) but also FI was pretty pissed off and understandably so. Apparently Tom had gone out on the balcony at one point (while FI was out there having a cigarette) and went on and on about how FI is so lucky and Tom wishes he had a girl like me in his life. Um... you have a wife, dude. 

Later when we were kind of re-hashing the overall night (because other than the creepyness it was really fun) I said something about how annoying it was that Tom got so drunk and got so grabby. FI then says "He had an intense interest in you the entire night. I noticed before he was even drunk that he kept staring at you." Even creepier. And I wasn't even looking cute. I had a big ugly sweater on cuz the weather was so nasty. I definitely was not trying to get-- or wanting-- extra attention. 

This just bothers me. I mean I'm sure in a day or two I'll forget about it, but for right now it's a bit too fresh in my mind. Tom is on our guest list and FI jokingly said "Great, he's gonna be the drunk asshole who tries to make out with the bride or grabs your butt or something." I said "He knows I took MMA classes. He has been warned. He grabs my butt, I'll knock that dude on his ass." FI insisted (jokingly and oh-so-chivalrously) "I want to be the one who knocks him out!" Nope. Me! We kind of laughed about it and moved on. But... *shudder. 
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Re: A little bit creeped out-- Update (conundrum)

  • GROSS.

    I'm assuming you'll have security at your wedding ('cause, ya know, sister stuff). Sounds like Tom is officially on the "watch out" list...

    And did I mention GROSS?
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  • ...I would seriously consider taking that guy off the list. Like FOR REAL. You're not close with him, he's made you uncomfortable, your FI noticed it as well. Nix him.
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  • I think the creepiest part is the comment that he wishes he had a girl like you. I'm sure his wife would be happy to know that...

  • Opps, Tom's invite must have been dropped in the snow on the way to the mailbox.....
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  • larrygaga said:
    Next time stand up for yourself! Push him away and tell him to stop touching you. You shouldn't have to put up with it because you don't want to make it awkward or hurt his feelings. He is making it awkward. He is putting himself out there to get his feelings hurt. 
    You're totally right with this. And I did push him backwards to get him to step away from me when he kept coming in for multiple hugs but I should have put the smack down a little harsher than that because he didn't seem deterred. 
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  • larrygaga said:
    Next time stand up for yourself! Push him away and tell him to stop touching you. You shouldn't have to put up with it because you don't want to make it awkward or hurt his feelings. He is making it awkward. He is putting himself out there to get his feelings hurt. 
    You're totally right with this. And I did push him backwards to get him to step away from me when he kept coming in for multiple hugs but I should have put the smack down a little harsher than that because he didn't seem deterred. 
    Bust out that MMA shit. And if his hands "go all over you" in response? Press charges, I guess.

    (Kidding. Sort of. I love the mental image of you knocking this choad on his ass, though).
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  • I think that this is one of those instances where it is ok not to invite him. Did you send him a save the date?
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  • I would not invite him. What a creep. I feel sorry for his wife if he says stuff like that to other people.
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  • What a skeeze. Ugh, that is so gross.

    I would not invite this guy to my wedding. Hopefully you haven't sent him a Save the Date. 
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  • ...I would seriously consider taking that guy off the list. Like FOR REAL. You're not close with him, he's made you uncomfortable, your FI noticed it as well. Nix him.
    Seriously. He's a friend of a friend who was fixated on you. If you didn't send him a StD already, don't invite him. What a creeper. 
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  • Even if he got a save the date, who cares? It's a friendship I assume you're willing to end.
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  • You did the right thing by pushing him away and now potentially disinviting him, and I agree it's shudder-worthy. Sending hugs your way. 

    I have to say, I have a similar odd situation. One of my husband's best friends is a woman that he went to high school with (and dated for two months back then, hah). She's awesome and we get along great. Her husband is usually great to talk to as well, but when he gets drunk, he says interesting things. 
    Apparently when we first met- drunk after a baseball game- he was telling my now-husband how lucky he is and how hot I am. Fast forward to a recent holiday party, he was drunk and telling me how lovely I looked that evening and again, told my husband how lucky he is. I just said, "oh, thanks" and turned back to my conversation with someone else. 
    I saw him this past weekend at another function and he was not drunk and barely spoke to me at all. I'm thinking to myself, dude, your wife is hot. Is he just bored after 10 years of marriage or something??
    That's as far as the weirdness has progressed, but we all only hang out in large groups, and my husband is well aware that the guy is a bit too honest when drunk. All I can do right now is avoid him. 

    I always thought this stuff was the fodder for advice columnists and it wouldn't happen to me, but now...?  So, anyway OP, I can commiserate a bit. Good luck.   
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  • I think that this is one of those instances where it is ok not to invite him. Did you send him a save the date?
    No, he did NOT get a save the date. (I was gonna just put "STD" but he has me so creeped out that I automatically thought of herpes). 

    We mentioned needing his address earlier in the night and he joked about wondering why we needed it, and we talked about wedding stuff for about 2 minutes. So I'm sure he's now expecting an invitation. 

    I'm gonna talk to FI about it before we send out invites. I would not be the least bit sad if I never had to be around this guy again. 
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  • I mean, I'd probably uninvite him even if he'd RSVPd yes already. But that's just me, and I know that's highly disapproved of. I just know that I'm not going to be around a creeper like that on the happiest day of my life so far. I wouldn't want his bloody nose all over my white dress. 
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  • Even if he got a save the date, who cares? It's a friendship I assume you're willing to end.

    This is a great point. Who cares what you sent him already. If you're willing to let the friendship die, which you totally are, I'd say don't send the invite.
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  • Since he's a friend of a friend and neither of you can stand him, you're totally not risking anything by removing him from the invitation list. Nix him. Now.

    Also, I'm really sorry this happened to you. 
  • Yikes! I am glad that you and FI are on the same page. There are no excuses for someone acting like a creeper.
  • BrandNewJ said:
    Even if he got a save the date, who cares? It's a friendship I assume you're willing to end.

    This is a great point. Who cares what you sent him already. If you're willing to let the friendship die, which you totally are, I'd say don't send the invite.
    I guess to me it's just a weird situation, cuz he's not my friend; he's FI's friend. But he's not really FI's friend. He's a close friend of FI's close friend. 

    So I will gladly cut ties with the dude. And I doubt FI will ever go out of his way to hang out with this guy. But whenever FI visits his friend, Tom is always there. Odds are that FI will get stuck hanging out with him again sometime in the future, so cutting ties with him might mean possibly avoiding mutual friend. Who knows. I don't know if FI wants to 100% end the friendship just because of that, but then again I don't know if FI would ever want to be around Tom again after how he acted. We didn't discuss it much cuz FI was kind of mad and I was kind of creeped out so I just wanted to move on from the topic. 

    I think it's something he and I need to figure out, though. (Or he needs to figure out. I can't tell him who to be friends with. But if the situation were reversed, I'd definitely drop that friend). 
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  • Is your FIs relationship with the mutual friend going to suffer if Tom isn't invited? I mean, on a regular basis I hang out with people who are invited and not invited to the wedding. You're right, it's his friend so it's his call, but that part wouldn't bother me so much, we always tell people not everyone can be invited and if they're hurt it's on them. 
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  • BrandNewJ said:
    Is your FIs relationship with the mutual friend going to suffer if Tom isn't invited? I mean, on a regular basis I hang out with people who are invited and not invited to the wedding. You're right, it's his friend so it's his call, but that part wouldn't bother me so much, we always tell people not everyone can be invited and if they're hurt it's on them. 
    This is totally true. I think FI really liked hanging out with this guy (thus why he was on our guest list) until this happened. But even if this hadn't happened, it's not like the guy NEEDS to be invited for them to occasionally hang out... 
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  • Sounds like you guys need to just talk it out per your plan. If you do end up inviting him, seat him as far away from you as possible! :wink:
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  • BrandNewJ said:
    Sounds like you guys need to just talk it out per your plan. If you do end up inviting him, seat him as far away from you as possible! :wink:
    Hm... maybe he needs to sit next to my over-protective male cousin who's taller and bigger than Tom... 
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  • BrandNewJ said:
    Sounds like you guys need to just talk it out per your plan. If you do end up inviting him, seat him as far away from you as possible! :wink:
    Hm... maybe he needs to sit next to my over-protective male cousin who's taller and bigger than Tom... 
    Perfect!!
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  • MagicInk said:
    novella1186 said: And I wasn't even looking cute. I had a big ugly sweater on cuz the weather was so nasty. I definitely was not trying to get-- or wanting-- extra attention. 
    And had you been wearing gold lame hot pants and a mesh tube top you still have a right to not be made to feel uncomfortable, gawked at, or touched without your consent. Grown folk can control themselves.
    True story! I didn't mean to imply that if I had dressed trampy or something then it would be ok. I just meant I was confused as to why he kept paying attention to me, not just cuz of the way I dressed but cuz FI was right next to me the whole night and Tom has a wife. The whole thing was just wrong and gross. 

    FI got a little drunk that night too and was worried he had been acting like an idiot (he wasn't) and I told him the only person who made an ass of themselves is Tom. Getting drunk is not an excuse for getting grabby. 
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  • BrandNewJ said:
    BrandNewJ said:
    Sounds like you guys need to just talk it out per your plan. If you do end up inviting him, seat him as far away from you as possible! :wink:
    Hm... maybe he needs to sit next to my over-protective male cousin who's taller and bigger than Tom... 
    Perfect!!
    Did over-protective male cousin take MMA too? (Maybe have OPMC talk about it to Tom over dinner. Or this fight he was in. Or how he used to beat up any guy who looked askance at you, and he's so glad he never had to beat up your FI.)
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  • my FI co worked said he liked me to my FI and my FI and i are both creeped out by this. guy is an older foreign guy who barely speaks english and we ourselves can barely pronounce his name. 

    yes that is creepy. 
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