Not sure what to think

decembergrl2014 · January 2015

Let me start this off by saying that I am the first one to admit that I can be hyper sensitive and an overreactor. H has been going to the gym with one of my friends, "Patrick". He and his wife, "Karen" have been married for almost 15 years, and they have 2 kids. I've known them both since high school, and they are high school sweethearts. Patrick and Karen were also at mine and H's wedding last month. The last couple of times H and Patrick went to the gym together, H told me that Patrick was talking about going to those Asian massage places where they give "happy endings." Apparently, Patrick and his cousin Jason (who's also married) have gone in the past and have gotten the happy ending. H told me that last night Patrick mentioned it to H and said, "we won't tell the women." H told me he said no, and that I shouldn't worry, that he's happily married to me. I'm very upset about this. Not only is Patrick a deceptive asshole who doesn't know how good he has it with Karen, but he's trying to get H to go along with it too. I told H how I feel and that part of me wants to confront Patrick about it. H doesn't want me to say anything to Patrick about it, which I understand. I think H would feel embarrassed if I did. Part of me wants to ask H not to go to the gym with Patrick anymore, but I don't want to control him. Maybe I should just let it go? I've known Patrick and Karen since I'm 16 (we're all the same age) but I now have a totally different view of him now.

amelisha · January 2015

Oh, girl, this is none of your business. Your H said no, and if Patrick keeps asking he'll keep saying no, and if it bugs him to be asked he can tell the guy to knock it off. Other than that, I'd be staying out of this completely.

KatWAG · January 2015

decembergrl2014 said:

Let me start this off by saying that I am the first one to admit that I can be hyper sensitive and an overreactor. H has been going to the gym with one of my friends, "Patrick". He and his wife, "Karen" have been married for almost 15 years, and they have 2 kids. I've known them both since high school, and they are high school sweethearts. Patrick and Karen were also at mine and H's wedding last month. The last couple of times H and Patrick went to the gym together, H told me that Patrick was talking about going to those Asian massage places where they give "happy endings." Apparently, Patrick and his cousin Jason (who's also married) have gone in the past and have gotten the happy ending. H told me that last night Patrick mentioned it to H and said, "we won't tell the women." H told me he said no, and that I shouldn't worry, that he's happily married to me. I'm very upset about this. Not only is Patrick a deceptive asshole who doesn't know how good he has it with Karen, but he's trying to get H to go along with it too. I told H how I feel and that part of me wants to confront Patrick about it. H doesn't want me to say anything to Patrick about it, which I understand. I think H would feel embarrassed if I did. Part of me wants to ask H not to go to the gym with Patrick anymore, but I don't want to control him. Maybe I should just let it go? I've known Patrick and Karen since I'm 16 (we're all the same age) but I now have a totally different view of him now.

STAY. OUT. OF. IT.

PrettyGirlLost · January 2015

decembergrl2014 said:

Let me start this off by saying that I am the first one to admit that I can be hyper sensitive and an overreactor. H has been going to the gym with one of my friends, "Patrick". He and his wife, "Karen" have been married for almost 15 years, and they have 2 kids. I've known them both since high school, and they are high school sweethearts. Patrick and Karen were also at mine and H's wedding last month. The last couple of times H and Patrick went to the gym together, H told me that Patrick was talking about going to those Asian massage places where they give "happy endings." Apparently, Patrick and his cousin Jason (who's also married) have gone in the past and have gotten the happy ending. H told me that last night Patrick mentioned it to H and said, "we won't tell the women." H told me he said no, and that I shouldn't worry, that he's happily married to me. I'm very upset about this. Not only is Patrick a deceptive asshole who doesn't know how good he has it with Karen, but he's trying to get H to go along with it too. I told H how I feel and that part of me wants to confront Patrick about it. H doesn't want me to say anything to Patrick about it, which I understand. I think H would feel embarrassed if I did. Part of me wants to ask H not to go to the gym with Patrick anymore, but I don't want to control him. Maybe I should just let it go? I've known Patrick and Karen since I'm 16 (we're all the same age) but I now have a totally different view of him now.

Just stay out of it.

This was a conversation between your H and Patrick. If your H wants to confront Patrick or his wife about it, then he can. Who knows what the hell goes on between them as a married couple?

Patrick sounds like kind of a dick, but your husband should be able to go to the gym with him if he wants to.

theartistformerlyknownas · January 2015

I agree with amelisha. "Don't borrow trouble."

Now, if it were me, I would hope my H would have responded to that with sheer disgust and a warning of the type of trouble Patrick would be bringing upon his family if and when that place gets busted by the cops... but it's not your place to jump into someone else's business about something you're not even supposed to know about.

lyndausvi · January 2015

As long as your DH said he doesn't want to go I would leave it alone. The fact that he told you says he respects you.

STARMOON44 · January 2015

This is none of your business at all.

levioosa · January 2015

Stay out of it.

I think you should trust your H. He obviously didn't approve. I hope he responded to Patrick with something along the lines of, "Dude, that's fucked up."

Don't try to keep your H from going to the gym with him. Chances are that his view of Patrick might have changed too and he might not want to be as close with him any longer. This (situation) is none of your business, and it will become a mess if you try to get involved.

ETA: Even if your H doesn't stop hanging out with Patrick, that doesn't mean that he isn't less trustworthy. He thought it was despicable and he told you. Southernbelle made a great point below.

novella1186 · January 2015

If your H was even CONSIDERING going, he would never have mentioned it to you. He's being very open and honest with you, and very loyal to you. So YOU have nothing to worry about. He sounds like a great husband.

Patrick is a sleezy douche, but that's his own problem, not yours.

mrsk616 · January 2015

let it go. he said no and he means no. stay out of it and dont say anything to the guys wife. it will cause drama and thats not something you want to cause or start.

Couggal12 · January 2015

I agree stay out of this. Your H already told you he declined and the fact that he openly told you this shows he is not hiding anything.

southernbelle0915 · January 2015

Let the part of you that wants to keep your H from hanging out with Patrick stop here.

Think about it this way... what if one of your married girlfriends told you she was going to this massage parlor where the dude goes down on her after the massage and invited you to come. You decline and silently judge her for it. Then you go home to your H and tell him about the conversation. He tells you not to hang out with her anymore. All that says is: full disclosure and honesty = control. Not a good association you want your DH to have.

P.S. I'm sorry Patrick is such a fuck head. I hope Karen finds out and leaves his unfaithful ass.

emmaaa · January 2015

As long as it isn't your H getting the happy endings, then it is none of your business. You will be best to stay out of it. Maybe this is an agreement Karen and Patirck have.

BrandNewJ · January 2015

Totally agree, stay out of it.

I have a personal story. My FI, then boyfriend, went to Vegas one weekend with the bosses of his company and the other managers, so 7 men total. He comes home from the trip and tells me about it.

Well, one night the boss got 2 prostitutes to go up into their suite and sleep with all of them. 5 of them are married, the other 2 in serious relationships. My boyfriend was the only one who said no. Yep, all 6 of them cheated on their wives and girlfriends that weekend.

While I think, somehow, boyfriend was under the impression that this would build our trust. For me it did the opposite. I didn't trust him for months. We worked together to get over it through a lot of communication because he finally realized why this was a concern.

But the moral is, he didn't do anything. I believe him 100%.

Keep your trust in your husband, you married him for a reason. He's a good guy for saying no and he seems keen on continuing to say no. It's your Hs issue to deal with if the friend keeps bringing it up. If you have a personal issue, talk to him about it and find out where that issue comes from. For me, it was trust. You two should be able to communicate through issues.

levioosa · January 2015

BrandNewJ said:

Totally agree, stay out of it.

I have a personal story. My FI, then boyfriend, went to Vegas one weekend with the bosses of his company and the other managers, so 7 men total. He comes home from the trip and tells me about it.

Well, one night the boss got 2 prostitutes to go up into their suite and sleep with all of them. 5 of them are married, the other 2 in serious relationships. My boyfriend was the only one who said no. Yep, all 6 of them cheated on their wives and girlfriends that weekend.

While I think, somehow, boyfriend was under the impression that this would build our trust. For me it did the opposite. I didn't trust him for months. We worked together to get over it through a lot of communication because he finally realized why this was a concern.

But the moral is, he didn't do anything. I believe him 100%.

Keep your trust in your husband, you married him for a reason. He's a good guy for saying no and he seems keen on continuing to say no. It's your Hs issue to deal with if the friend keeps bringing it up. If you have a personal issue, talk to him about it and find out where that issue comes from. For me, it was trust. You two should be able to communicate through issues.

This is almost exactly what happened to SO on his company Vegas trip a few months ago. A group of guys, including his boss, went to a strip club. One of them spent $1,200 and had no idea how he was going to explain it to his wife. They kept trying to get SO to go, but he didn't want to, so he went back to the hotel. A couple of the guys ended up disappearing with the women that night. As of yesterday they were still bugging SO about the fact that he didn't go out with them. He just said it didn't interest him to try and end the conversation.

I totally trust SO. I know he's telling me the truth, and I'm not annoyed by it. It doesn't exactly make me think well of his coworkers, but I'm not going to guilt him by their association. It's a little awkward when I see the wives at company parties, but I'm not going to say anything, and the awkwardness is completely internal on my part. Not my marriage, not my business. One of the guys has gotten divorced since the trip.

Honesty and trust are key.

JennyColada · January 2015

While I think Patrick is being a bit disrespectful to your H and rudely pushy, honestly, you don't really know what goes on behind closed door with them. For all you know, it's totally kosher for Patrick to go to these parlors and his wife might even love the stories that he comes home with. Maybe not, but you never know. Being active in the BDSM community certainly drove home the point that what we THINK goes on a someone's relationship isn't always the case. So I really don't think that you have to confront anyone about it. Not your relationship, not your business. If you don't care for it then feel free to snark with DH privately to your heart's content. I mean, seriously, we all need a good gossip session now and again, even about good friends.

But that being said, your DH declined the offer (and rightfully so). I mean, I've definitely invited some of my friends to a BDSM club if I thought that they may be interested in it, and I've definitely gotten turned down a few times. So I guess the moral of the story is: this guy invited your DH somewhere, DH said no, that should be the end of it for everyone involved.

southernbelle0915 · January 2015

levioosa said:

BrandNewJ said:

Totally agree, stay out of it.

I have a personal story. My FI, then boyfriend, went to Vegas one weekend with the bosses of his company and the other managers, so 7 men total. He comes home from the trip and tells me about it.

Well, one night the boss got 2 prostitutes to go up into their suite and sleep with all of them. 5 of them are married, the other 2 in serious relationships. My boyfriend was the only one who said no. Yep, all 6 of them cheated on their wives and girlfriends that weekend.

While I think, somehow, boyfriend was under the impression that this would build our trust. For me it did the opposite. I didn't trust him for months. We worked together to get over it through a lot of communication because he finally realized why this was a concern.

But the moral is, he didn't do anything. I believe him 100%.

Keep your trust in your husband, you married him for a reason. He's a good guy for saying no and he seems keen on continuing to say no. It's your Hs issue to deal with if the friend keeps bringing it up. If you have a personal issue, talk to him about it and find out where that issue comes from. For me, it was trust. You two should be able to communicate through issues.

This is almost exactly what happened to SO on his company Vegas trip a few months ago. A group of guys, including his boss, went to a strip club. One of them spent $1,200 and had no idea how he was going to explain it to his wife. They kept trying to get SO to go, but he didn't want to, so he went back to the hotel. A couple of the guys ended up disappearing with the women that night. As of yesterday they were still bugging SO about the fact that he didn't go out with them. He just said it didn't interest him to try and end the conversation.

I totally trust SO. I know he's telling me the truth, and I'm not annoyed by it. It doesn't exactly make me think well of his coworkers, but I'm not going to guilt him by their association. It's a little awkward when I see the wives at company parties, but I'm not going to say anything, and the awkwardness is completely internal on my part. Not my marriage, not my business. One of the guys has gotten divorced since the trip.

Honesty and trust are key.

Why do some people seem to think that Vegas = sexual freedom from an otherwise monogamous relationship? I mean, unless the couple has a mutual understand that fucking strippers/prostitutes/other people in Vegas (or anywhere else for that matter) is ok, then fine. But I'm willing to bet a very high number of people who do this are not in those types of relationships.

And it seems like it's A LOT of people (mostly men). What is it about Vegas? What is it that makes them think this is normal or ok? Rhetorical question, obviously. But I'm genuinely curious about the mentality. Do they want their wife going and fucking around town and while she's on vacation?

doeydo · January 2015

I'd tell Karen (perhaps anonymously) because if my SO was going to see a massager/sex worker then I would want to know because that is 100% cheating. Also, those places are greasy and I would want to go get myself tested. No, Karen obviously doesn't know and is OK with it because Patrick said they keep it secret from "the women".

levioosa · January 2015

southernbelle0915 said:

levioosa said:

BrandNewJ said:

Totally agree, stay out of it.

I have a personal story. My FI, then boyfriend, went to Vegas one weekend with the bosses of his company and the other managers, so 7 men total. He comes home from the trip and tells me about it.

Well, one night the boss got 2 prostitutes to go up into their suite and sleep with all of them. 5 of them are married, the other 2 in serious relationships. My boyfriend was the only one who said no. Yep, all 6 of them cheated on their wives and girlfriends that weekend.

While I think, somehow, boyfriend was under the impression that this would build our trust. For me it did the opposite. I didn't trust him for months. We worked together to get over it through a lot of communication because he finally realized why this was a concern.

But the moral is, he didn't do anything. I believe him 100%.

Keep your trust in your husband, you married him for a reason. He's a good guy for saying no and he seems keen on continuing to say no. It's your Hs issue to deal with if the friend keeps bringing it up. If you have a personal issue, talk to him about it and find out where that issue comes from. For me, it was trust. You two should be able to communicate through issues.

This is almost exactly what happened to SO on his company Vegas trip a few months ago. A group of guys, including his boss, went to a strip club. One of them spent $1,200 and had no idea how he was going to explain it to his wife. They kept trying to get SO to go, but he didn't want to, so he went back to the hotel. A couple of the guys ended up disappearing with the women that night. As of yesterday they were still bugging SO about the fact that he didn't go out with them. He just said it didn't interest him to try and end the conversation.

I totally trust SO. I know he's telling me the truth, and I'm not annoyed by it. It doesn't exactly make me think well of his coworkers, but I'm not going to guilt him by their association. It's a little awkward when I see the wives at company parties, but I'm not going to say anything, and the awkwardness is completely internal on my part. Not my marriage, not my business. One of the guys has gotten divorced since the trip.

Honesty and trust are key.

Why do some people seem to think that Vegas = sexual freedom from an otherwise monogamous relationship? I mean, unless the couple has a mutual understand that fucking strippers/prostitutes/other people in Vegas (or anywhere else for that matter) is ok, then fine. But I'm willing to bet a very high number of people who do this are not in those types of relationships.

And it seems like it's A LOT of people (mostly men). What is it about Vegas? What is it that makes them think this is normal or ok? Rhetorical question, obviously. But I'm genuinely curious about the mentality. Do they want their wife going and fucking around town and while she's on vacation?

I think it's the (well perpetuated) mentality of "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas." That being said, I think if you are a douche nozzle who's going to cheat on your wife (or SO), it would happen eventually anyways. I mean, these guys (SO's coworkers) go to strip clubs after work here all the time, so it wasn't exactly Vegas that made them make a break for sexual freedom.

ETA: Yeah, I answered the rhetorical question. lol.

decembergrl2014 · January 2015

JennyColada said:

While I think Patrick is being a bit disrespectful to your H and rudely pushy, honestly, you don't really know what goes on behind closed door with them. For all you know, it's totally kosher for Patrick to go to these parlors and his wife might even love the stories that he comes home with. Maybe not, but you never know. Being active in the BDSM community certainly drove home the point that what we THINK goes on a someone's relationship isn't always the case. So I really don't think that you have to confront anyone about it. Not your relationship, not your business. If you don't care for it then feel free to snark with DH privately to your heart's content. I mean, seriously, we all need a good gossip session now and again, even about good friends.

But that being said, your DH declined the offer (and rightfully so). I mean, I've definitely invited some of my friends to a BDSM club if I thought that they may be interested in it, and I've definitely gotten turned down a few times. So I guess the moral of the story is: this guy invited your DH somewhere, DH said no, that should be the end of it for everyone involved.

This is the part that is pissing me off...that Patrick is being disrespectful, rude and pushy. He's the one I have the problem with, not H. I know H is a great guy who loves and respects me. I feel that Patrick is being disrespectful to H and to his and my marriage by suggesting that he cheat on me! This is the part that makes me want to rip him a new ass hole! Whatever he and Karen do is their business, I agree. I was never planning on saying anything to her anyway. At the end of the day I'm not going to say anything to Patrick either. Karen and I are very close friends (she's the one who is coming with me to get my tattoo next week), and H gives their son guitar lessons. They are big parts of our lives (and vice versa), so I'm not going to create an uncomfortable situation by getting confrontational. Yes, I have been venting to H about my feelings, and no I'm not going to stop him from going to the gym with Patrick. (I'm also hoping and praying that maybe Patrick was joking, but it's still fucked up to me.) H is an adult and if he wants to continue going to the gym with Patrick that's his decision.

amelisha · January 2015

doeydo said:

I'd tell Karen (perhaps anonymously) because if my SO was going to see a massager/sex worker then I would want to know because that is 100% cheating. Also, those places are greasy and I would want to go get myself tested. No, Karen obviously doesn't know and is OK with it because Patrick said they keep it secret from "the women".

I don't even know where to start with this but NO. Are you crazy?

1. Anonymously? So you want to meddle in someone else's marriage and you don't even have the balls to own up to it? No.

2. 100% cheating? How do you know? Third-hand hear-say? How do you even know the guy isn't just bullshitting about part or all of it, for one thing? No.

3. If this guy gets an STD from some lady's hand on his junk, he's probably a medical miracle. No.

4. "Karen obviously doesn't know?" According to Patrick, who might just be mouthing off? Again, no proof, no nothing. No.

Come on, how could you possibly think it's cool to get involved in this on the strength of this guy mouthing off a bit to one of his buddies? I might have felt differently if this was a very close family member or best friend to OP and OP had solid proof, but that is so not the case. This guy's wife does not need some "concerned" acquaintance doing this kind of garbage.

theartistformerlyknownas · January 2015

doeydo said:

I'd tell Karen (perhaps anonymously) because if my SO was going to see a massager/sex worker then I would want to know because that is 100% cheating. Also, those places are greasy and I would want to go get myself tested. No, Karen obviously doesn't know and is OK with it because Patrick said they keep it secret from "the women".

First bolded - not necessarily, because you don't know the terms of their relationship.

Second bolded - not necessarily, he's not gonna get the hiv from a handy. You don't know what he was doing there.

Third bolded - not necessarily, it's called posturing. Patrick thinks he'll come off like more of a badass to another dude if he acts all high-and-mighty about the shit he's keeping from his wife, to conform to bullshit societal expectations. It's no different than when a woman buys a new pair of shoes and says "teehee, don't tell my husband!" when really her H knows good and well what she's doing and she's allowed to do whatever she damn well pleases with her money.

Nunya business.

BrandNewJ · January 2015

levioosa said:

southernbelle0915 said:

levioosa said:

BrandNewJ said:

Totally agree, stay out of it.

I have a personal story. My FI, then boyfriend, went to Vegas one weekend with the bosses of his company and the other managers, so 7 men total. He comes home from the trip and tells me about it.

Well, one night the boss got 2 prostitutes to go up into their suite and sleep with all of them. 5 of them are married, the other 2 in serious relationships. My boyfriend was the only one who said no. Yep, all 6 of them cheated on their wives and girlfriends that weekend.

While I think, somehow, boyfriend was under the impression that this would build our trust. For me it did the opposite. I didn't trust him for months. We worked together to get over it through a lot of communication because he finally realized why this was a concern.

But the moral is, he didn't do anything. I believe him 100%.

Keep your trust in your husband, you married him for a reason. He's a good guy for saying no and he seems keen on continuing to say no. It's your Hs issue to deal with if the friend keeps bringing it up. If you have a personal issue, talk to him about it and find out where that issue comes from. For me, it was trust. You two should be able to communicate through issues.

This is almost exactly what happened to SO on his company Vegas trip a few months ago. A group of guys, including his boss, went to a strip club. One of them spent $1,200 and had no idea how he was going to explain it to his wife. They kept trying to get SO to go, but he didn't want to, so he went back to the hotel. A couple of the guys ended up disappearing with the women that night. As of yesterday they were still bugging SO about the fact that he didn't go out with them. He just said it didn't interest him to try and end the conversation.

I totally trust SO. I know he's telling me the truth, and I'm not annoyed by it. It doesn't exactly make me think well of his coworkers, but I'm not going to guilt him by their association. It's a little awkward when I see the wives at company parties, but I'm not going to say anything, and the awkwardness is completely internal on my part. Not my marriage, not my business. One of the guys has gotten divorced since the trip.

Honesty and trust are key.

Why do some people seem to think that Vegas = sexual freedom from an otherwise monogamous relationship? I mean, unless the couple has a mutual understand that fucking strippers/prostitutes/other people in Vegas (or anywhere else for that matter) is ok, then fine. But I'm willing to bet a very high number of people who do this are not in those types of relationships.

And it seems like it's A LOT of people (mostly men). What is it about Vegas? What is it that makes them think this is normal or ok? Rhetorical question, obviously. But I'm genuinely curious about the mentality. Do they want their wife going and fucking around town and while she's on vacation?

I think it's the (well perpetuated) mentality of "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas." That being said, I think if you are a douche nozzle who's going to cheat on your wife (or SO), it would happen eventually anyways. I mean, these guys (SO's coworkers) go to strip clubs after work here all the time, so it wasn't exactly Vegas that made them make a break for sexual freedom.

ETA: Yeah, I answered the rhetorical question. lol.

I totally agree! If he is going to do anyway, he is going to do it. The main boss pays for strange all the time. His wife just had a second baby. It definitely makes me feel awkward around them because hardly anyone knows, but I do. If they're going to do it, theyre going to do it.

Luckily, I now understand that I do truly trust my FI completely, so it's not a bother. It's his life. I just hope he's not potentially putting his wife in harms way.

JennyColada · January 2015

levioosa said:
I think it's the (well perpetuated) mentality of "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas."

doeydo · January 2015

*Shrugs* I'd be extremely upset if I found out that a SO I had was going to see a sex worker and my good friend knew and didn't bother to tell me. Who knows what this douchecanoe is up to that could be putting Karen at risk of an STI or some shit? No, I don't think it is "cool" to get involved in others relationships or "start drama", I do however think honesty and looking out for your good friend is cool.

Edited because words.

PrettyGirlLost · January 2015

doeydo said:
*Shrugs* I'd be extremely upset if I found out that a SO I had was going to see a sex worker and my good friend knew and didn't bother to tell me. Who knows what this douchecanoe is up to that could be putting Karen at risk of an STI or some shit? No, I don't think it is "cool" to get involved in others relationships or "start drama", I do however think honesty and looking out for your good friend is cool.
Edited because words.

If Karen is seeing an OBGYN annually then she'll know if she got an STD, and even if she's not seeing one annually chances are she'll eventually find out if she gets an STD because they are typically only asymptomatic in men. . .it's a clever evolutionary trait that allows the diseases to be spread far and wide.

levioosa · January 2015

doeydo said:

I'd tell Karen (perhaps anonymously) because if my SO was going to see a massager/sex worker then I would want to know because that is 100% cheating. Also, those places are greasy and I would want to go get myself tested. No, Karen obviously doesn't know and is OK with it because Patrick said they keep it secret from "the women".

Doey, we all know you're no good for recon missions.

OP does not need to get involved. It's none of her business and getting involved will only make a mess for her.

JennyColada · January 2015

doeydo said:

*Shrugs* I'd be extremely upset if I found out that a SO I had was going to see a sex worker and my good friend knew and didn't bother to tell me. Who knows what this douchecanoe is up to that could be putting Karen at risk of an STI or some shit? No, I don't think it is "cool" to get involved in others relationships or "start drama", I do however think honesty and looking out for your good friend is cool.
Edited because words.

The thing here though, is that you're assuming that everyone's relationship is exactly like yours and that everyone in those relationships is exactly like you.

Newsflash: it's not.

So sometimes what you think should cause someone to be "extremely upset" doesn't, and sometimes what you think is "100% cheating" isn't.

amelisha · January 2015

doeydo said:

*Shrugs* I'd be extremely upset if I found out that a SO I had was going to see a sex worker and my good friend knew and didn't bother to tell me. Who knows what this douchecanoe is up to that could be putting Karen at risk of an STI or some shit? No, I don't think it is "cool" to get involved in others relationships or "start drama", I do however think honesty and looking out for your good friend is cool.
Edited because words.

And then when you were mistaken and you've ruined both a relationship and a friendship and caused who knows what other havoc, is that okay too because you had good intentions? No.

theartistformerlyknownas · January 2015

doeydo said:

*Shrugs* I'd be extremely upset if I found out that a SO I had was going to see a sex worker and my good friend knew and didn't bother to tell me. Who knows what this douchecanoe is up to that could be putting Karen at risk of an STI or some shit? No, I don't think it is "cool" to get involved in others relationships or "start drama", I do however think honesty and looking out for your good friend is cool.
Edited because words.

I will admit, I am endlessly entertained by the things that upset you in OTHER people's relationships.

VulgarGirl · January 2015

doeydo said:

I'd tell Karen (perhaps anonymously) because if my SO was going to see a massager/sex worker then I would want to know because that is 100% cheating. Also, those places are greasy and I would want to go get myself tested. No, Karen obviously doesn't know and is OK with it because Patrick said they keep it secret from "the women".

Oh, honey, Matthew 7:3 "Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

That's right, the agnostic lesbian just quoted the bible. Suck on that scary religious fundamentalist people.

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