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themuffinman16
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SMH* update in comments
What is wrong with people? I had the most wonderful day, and now, I just don't know about some people. I went to Sesame Street Live with my sister and her family. Just now, I checked the local news, and a gun was found in the theater after the show! The gun was not loaded, but I don't know if that means maybe a kid brought it in, ( I don't think an adult would bother with an unloaded gun.) I am just thankful the gun wasn't loaded. I couldn't imagine what would have happened with all of those really young children, if one of them found a loaded gun. You seriously think that, at that age, you wouldn't need to talk to your kids about gun safety. Most of them, surely, wouldn't even understand.
Some people are just so irresponsible.
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Re: SMH* update in comments
The general approach- though there are exceptions- is that guns are not brought to gatherings where there will be kids. Everyone is careful with their weapons but with so many children in the family, everyone is more comfortable not having them around. Bringing it to something like Sesame Street Live makes no sense to me.
I don't necessarily think that gun carriers (including myself) feel like they will be the "hero" but rather will be able to protect themselves and their families. You never know when someone will assault you or try to pull a gun on you and I think it is best to be prepared.
I think most people who carry regularly wouldn't carry it unloaded... for most scenarios where you may need it you probably won't have time to load it and you don't want to risk getting caught loading it. The point is having it available if you need it and keeping it unloaded kind of negates that availability. But, I could see if someone carried regularly and decided to unload it for this event because there were kids around. Personally, I would leave it in the car or something at an event like that, but unloading it is still probably more responsible than having a fully loaded gun with that many kids around. So, I don't see too much issue with that. But, then they also need to be responsible enough to keep their weapon secure and not lose it... that's where they screwed up. Anybody carrying a weapon needs to me responsible enough to maintain that weapon. Yes, accidents happen, but losing your gun in a crowd full of kids is stupid and irresponsible and shouldn't be allowed to happen. If it hadn't been unloaded beforehand, that could have had horrible outcome. But, I see that as the most likely scenario.
There is a somewhat high number of people that carry guns in my area. Most of the time you don't even realize it because the guns are concealed, but I've gotten better at noticing the small signs of it. I have my permit, but don't usually carry. DH keeps his in his truck and sometimes carries it on him. But, we are very careful with them and probably more thro
A "shit" is the perfect way to describe him lol. That's what FI's parents call him.
I don't necessarily think that gun carriers (including myself) feel like they will be the "hero" but rather will be able to protect themselves and their families. You never know when someone will assault you or try to pull a gun on you and I think it is best to be prepared.
I'm always really curious about the bolded reasoning--I have personally never been assaulted or had a gun pulled on me. I've lived in all kinds of different places (I mean, never all that close to a check cashing store or anything). Of course it's technically true--you can't know that someone won't stick you up tomorrow morning--but based on my past experiences and likelihood of being somewhere dangerous in the future leads me to conclude that the statistical likelihood of being attacked is so low that it doesn't warrant carrying a weapon everywhere.
I don't necessarily think that gun carriers (including myself) feel like they will be the "hero" but rather will be able to protect themselves and their families. You never know when someone will assault you or try to pull a gun on you and I think it is best to be prepared.
I'm always really curious about the bolded reasoning--I have personally never been assaulted or had a gun pulled on me. I've lived in all kinds of different places (I mean, never all that close to a check cashing store or anything). Of course it's technically true--you can't know that someone won't stick you up tomorrow morning--but based on my past experiences and likelihood of being somewhere dangerous in the future leads me to conclude that the statistical likelihood of being attacked is so low that it doesn't warrant carrying a weapon everywhere.
Ditto all of this. There was a guy in the news last year who was gunned down in broad daylight and he had a loaded gun in his belt at the time. Owning a gun can't stop bad things from happening, and not owning a gun doesn't mean bad things will happen.
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FI does have gun for "home protection," but keeps it locked away in the house except when he goes to the shooting range. Honestly, I think it was an impulse purchase after he saw the rifle FBIL has and liked it. And even though FI is totally responsible, it kind of scares me that pretty much anyone can acquire a gun that easily.
I'm always really curious about the bolded reasoning--I have personally never been assaulted or had a gun pulled on me. I've lived in all kinds of different places (I mean, never all that close to a check cashing store or anything). Of course it's technically true--you can't know that someone won't stick you up tomorrow morning--but based on my past experiences and likelihood of being somewhere dangerous in the future leads me to conclude that the statistical likelihood of being attacked is so low that it doesn't warrant carrying a weapon everywhere.
I agree. I do have my carry permit and a gun suitable for carry, but I don't feel the need to carry a weapon on me. I don't live a lifestyle that has me feeling like I'm in danger. DH does keep a gun in his truck and carries at times because he does go to some sketchy areas. His work is in a bad area of town and right across street from an outpatient mental hospital which is primarily used for drug rehab. And he goes to work at 6am, so it's still dark. It's not uncommon to hear gunfire in that neighborhood. He has had crazy druggies approach his vehicle... although it's never gotten violent of to a point where he felt a need to pull his gun out. So he does have daily scenarios that are higher risk and I feel more comfortable knowing he has some protection if needed. He also had a road rage incident when he was younger where some guy jumped out of the car and attacked him with a screwdriver for cutting him off. He got stabbed in his foot (he tried kicking at the guy) and his friend got stabbed in the neck and nearly died, so he also has personal experience of what could happen.
I agree that the random mugging or road rage incident are rare. And if you have big fear of those things, maybe you need to change your lifestyle to a less dangerous one or try to reduce your risks... but that's not always possible. And crimes don't just happen in bad areas either. The risk may be low, but it's still there. And, yeah, having a weapon doesn't always mean you will get to the gun in time or that it will save you, but it may increase the odds.
I agree. I do have my carry permit and a gun suitable for carry, but I don't feel the need to carry a weapon on me. I don't live a lifestyle that has me feeling like I'm in danger. DH does keep a gun in his truck and carries at times because he does go to some sketchy areas. His work is in a bad area of town and right across street from an outpatient mental hospital which is primarily used for drug rehab. And he goes to work at 6am, so it's still dark. It's not uncommon to hear gunfire in that neighborhood. He has had crazy druggies approach his vehicle... although it's never gotten violent of to a point where he felt a need to pull his gun out. So he does have daily scenarios that are higher risk and I feel more comfortable knowing he has some protection if needed. He also had a road rage incident when he was younger where some guy jumped out of the car and attacked him with a screwdriver for cutting him off. He got stabbed in his foot (he tried kicking at the guy) and his friend got stabbed in the neck and nearly died, so he also has personal experience of what could happen.
I agree that the random mugging or road rage incident are rare. And if you have big fear of those things, maybe you need to change your lifestyle to a less dangerous one or try to reduce your risks... but that's not always possible. And crimes don't just happen in bad areas either. The risk may be low, but it's still there. And, yeah, having a weapon doesn't always mean you will get to the gun in time or that it will save you, but it may increase the odds.
The reason I carry mine everywhere is because something could still happen even in the "non-sketchy" areas. And no, carrying a gun won't prevent bad things from happening to you but st least you could be prepared. Which is why you should carry it loaded because otherwise it is useless (except in the OPs situation). I don't see anything wrong with being prepared to take care of myself. Would shooting someone be my first choice? No, probably not. But having the option or just the intimidation of the option, isn't necessarily a bad thing.I grew up in a house with guns. I was taught to respect them, clean them, and use them safely. They weren't all locked up because we knew not to touch them and what good does having all your guns locked up do during a home invasion?
DH and I have multiple guns for different types of uses. They're in a gun cabinet for now. We don't have kids to try to keep them away from yet.
As long as someone doesn't try to prevent my right from carrying and owning guns, then I have no problem with them choosing not to carry or own guns.
I agree. I do have my carry permit and a gun suitable for carry, but I don't feel the need to carry a weapon on me. I don't live a lifestyle that has me feeling like I'm in danger. DH does keep a gun in his truck and carries at times because he does go to some sketchy areas. His work is in a bad area of town and right across street from an outpatient mental hospital which is primarily used for drug rehab. And he goes to work at 6am, so it's still dark. It's not uncommon to hear gunfire in that neighborhood. He has had crazy druggies approach his vehicle... although it's never gotten violent of to a point where he felt a need to pull his gun out. So he does have daily scenarios that are higher risk and I feel more comfortable knowing he has some protection if needed. He also had a road rage incident when he was younger where some guy jumped out of the car and attacked him with a screwdriver for cutting him off. He got stabbed in his foot (he tried kicking at the guy) and his friend got stabbed in the neck and nearly died, so he also has personal experience of what could happen.
I agree that the random mugging or road rage incident are rare. And if you have big fear of those things, maybe you need to change your lifestyle to a less dangerous one or try to reduce your risks... but that's not always possible. And crimes don't just happen in bad areas either. The risk may be low, but it's still there. And, yeah, having a weapon doesn't always mean you will get to the gun in time or that it will save you, but it may increase the odds.
The reason I carry mine everywhere is because something could still happen even in the "non-sketchy" areas. And no, carrying a gun won't prevent bad things from happening to you but st least you could be prepared. Which is why you should carry it loaded because otherwise it is useless (except in the OPs situation). I don't see anything wrong with being prepared to take care of myself. Would shooting someone be my first choice? No, probably not. But having the option or just the intimidation of the option, isn't necessarily a bad thing.I grew up in a house with guns. I was taught to respect them, clean them, and use them safely. They weren't all locked up because we knew not to touch them and what good does having all your guns locked up do during a home invasion?
DH and I have multiple guns for different types of uses. They're in a gun cabinet for now. We don't have kids to try to keep them away from yet.
As long as someone doesn't try to prevent my right from carrying and owning guns, then I have no problem with them choosing not to carry or own guns.
I don't understand the home invasion reasoning, either. I feel like having a big dog or an alarm system would work far better to deter anyone who might commit a home invasion because those are things they can see/hear, be aware of, and think "I don't want to fuck with an alarm system/a huge pissed off dog."
I agree. I do have my carry permit and a gun suitable for carry, but I don't feel the need to carry a weapon on me. I don't live a lifestyle that has me feeling like I'm in danger. DH does keep a gun in his truck and carries at times because he does go to some sketchy areas. His work is in a bad area of town and right across street from an outpatient mental hospital which is primarily used for drug rehab. And he goes to work at 6am, so it's still dark. It's not uncommon to hear gunfire in that neighborhood. He has had crazy druggies approach his vehicle... although it's never gotten violent of to a point where he felt a need to pull his gun out. So he does have daily scenarios that are higher risk and I feel more comfortable knowing he has some protection if needed. He also had a road rage incident when he was younger where some guy jumped out of the car and attacked him with a screwdriver for cutting him off. He got stabbed in his foot (he tried kicking at the guy) and his friend got stabbed in the neck and nearly died, so he also has personal experience of what could happen.
I agree that the random mugging or road rage incident are rare. And if you have big fear of those things, maybe you need to change your lifestyle to a less dangerous one or try to reduce your risks... but that's not always possible. And crimes don't just happen in bad areas either. The risk may be low, but it's still there. And, yeah, having a weapon doesn't always mean you will get to the gun in time or that it will save you, but it may increase the odds.
The reason I carry mine everywhere is because something could still happen even in the "non-sketchy" areas. And no, carrying a gun won't prevent bad things from happening to you but st least you could be prepared. Which is why you should carry it loaded because otherwise it is useless (except in the OPs situation). I don't see anything wrong with being prepared to take care of myself. Would shooting someone be my first choice? No, probably not. But having the option or just the intimidation of the option, isn't necessarily a bad thing.I grew up in a house with guns. I was taught to respect them, clean them, and use them safely. They weren't all locked up because we knew not to touch them and what good does having all your guns locked up do during a home invasion?
DH and I have multiple guns for different types of uses. They're in a gun cabinet for now. We don't have kids to try to keep them away from yet.
As long as someone doesn't try to prevent my right from carrying and owning guns, then I have no problem with them choosing not to carry or own guns.
I don't understand the home invasion reasoning, either. I feel like having a big dog or an alarm system would work far better to deter anyone who might commit a home invasion because those are things they can see/hear, be aware of, and think "I don't want to fuck with an alarm system/a huge pissed off dog."
FI has a big, loud dog in addition to his gun. If someone were to break in when FI wasn't home, the dog sure wouldn't protect me. Maybe I could defend myself with a baseball bat if I got close enough, but that doesn't make me feel a whole lot safer. It's a last resort, certainly, but I feel better knowing it's there.
I don't understand the home invasion reasoning, either. I feel like having a big dog or an alarm system would work far better to deter anyone who might commit a home invasion because those are things they can see/hear, be aware of, and think "I don't want to fuck with an alarm system/a huge pissed off dog."
FI has a big, loud dog in addition to his gun. If someone were to break in when FI wasn't home, the dog sure wouldn't protect me. Maybe I could defend myself with a baseball bat if I got close enough, but that doesn't make me feel a whole lot safer. It's a last resort, certainly, but I feel better knowing it's there.
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This is us. We have three big dog alarms so having a gun is not our first measure. It is absolutely last resort. You don't just start shooting when you think someone is breaking in. The first thing they taught me in the safety course was to always identify your target first. So I mean, while we take other measures...this is just a back up.
But you do have health insurance, right? Not just for regular appointments but just in case you ever got hurt, sick, or needed surgery? I know that's an extreme example but why is having a gun "just in case" viewed differently than health insurance, car insurance, home owners insurance etc? We have gun for other reasons like hunting and target practice but also have them for a "what if scenario."
I know I'm not going g to change your minds and also not trying to sound argumentative, just providing an alternate perspective.
But you do have health insurance, right? Not just for regular appointments but just in case you ever got hurt, sick, or needed surgery? I know that's an extreme example but why is having a gun "just in case" viewed differently than health insurance, car insurance, home owners insurance etc? We have gun for other reasons like hunting and target practice but also have them for a "what if scenario."
I know I'm not going g to change your minds and also not trying to sound argumentative, just providing an alternate perspective.
But you do have health insurance, right? Not just for regular appointments but just in case you ever got hurt, sick, or needed surgery? I know that's an extreme example but why is having a gun "just in case" viewed differently than health insurance, car insurance, home owners insurance etc? We have gun for other reasons like hunting and target practice but also have them for a "what if scenario."
I know I'm not going g to change your minds and also not trying to sound argumentative, just providing an alternate perspective.
The health insurance analogy doesn't work. Once or twice a year I get a UTI and have to go to the dr and get a prescription. Twice a year I have to go to my dermatologist for a skin cancer screening because of a bad biopsy several years ago. At least once a year some other random thing happens (like right now I have a nasty sinus infection for which I had to go to the dr and get antibiotics). So I know 100% beyond I doubt that I will need and use that health insurance.
And FTR, my dad's house was broken into two years ago and all his guns and ammo were stolen. Thank God, no one was home at the time. My dad's house is also right next to my childhood church. It got broken into more times than I can count growing up. Again, luckily no one was ever there or harmed. I live in a very rural area and under emergencies, the police would take a minimum of 10 or 15 minutes to arrive.