Spinoff - Cheating (Possibly way too much TMI.... you've been warned.)

hellosweetie1015 · April 2015

I saw a couple people saying "this is cheating" or "that's cheating" in the strip club thread, and then the discussion of Tom and Eve in CW's thread came up, and so now I'm really curious about what's considered cheating in your relationships. I know it's a different threshold for different couples and for different individuals, and I'm legitimately FASCINATED by it.

For me and FI, it's like this. FI's bi, so if/when he decides he needs some boy bits in his life, he knows he's free to get them so long as he's upfront with me about it (preferably a day or so notice). I don't have boy bits, and I've got no desire to go get any more permanent ones than I can buy from Adam and Eve or whatever. So this is easier.

I'm not bi, but I am curious enough that I'm down for threesomes in theory. In practice, I may find out that I'm not able to handle them in a healthy way, but I want to try. So, obviously a threesome is likely going to have a person of the opposite gender to one of us, and we're both cool with that.

Outside of any potential threesomes, sexual contact with a person of the opposite gender is cheating. If at any point emotional connections that go beyond friendship are formed, no matter if there's a sexual component to the friendship or not, that's a problem. Getting his boy-bit fix without telling me beforehand is cheating (and vice versa, should I discover that lady-bits are a thing I like).

flutteringinfl · April 2015

I would consider any kind of sexual contact with a person who is not me to be cheating. I would consider flirting to be skirting the line. But I also think that every couple needs to work out a system that meshes with their personal values. So, what you consider to not be cheating, I would consider cheating, but that doesn't make either of us more right than the other. We both our.

But for me, even if FI were bi, I wouldn't be down with him getting his boy fixes. I'm monogamous and want to be with someone who is also monogamous, so whatever parts they're into, they chose me. But I also have friends who don't feel this way, and that's cool too.

hellosweetie1015 · April 2015

flutteringinfl said:
I would consider any kind of sexual contact with a person who is not me to be cheating. I would consider flirting to be skirting the line. But I also think that every couple needs to work out a system that meshes with their personal values. So, what you consider to not be cheating, I would consider cheating, but that doesn't make either of us more right than the other. We both our.

But for me, even if FI were bi, I wouldn't be down with him getting his boy fixes. I'm monogamous and want to be with someone who is also monogamous, so whatever parts they're into, they chose me. But I also have friends who don't feel this way, and that's cool too.

Oh, no, I absolutely think couples should work it out for themselves. I honestly just really want to know what works for other couples out of curiosity. I don't care, what works for me doesn't work for you and that's what makes people awesome.

ShesSoCold · April 2015

Anything he does with another person that he would hide from me would be considered cheating. I don't care if it's texting, kissing, going out to dinner. If it needs to be hidden, it's not okay.

ETA: I hope this is obvious but It would also be cheating if he came home and was like, "Oh, BTW, I banged this broad I met last night, I hope that's cool". Sexual physical contact would be cheating.

flutteringinfl · April 2015

hellosweetie1015 said:

flutteringinfl said:
I would consider any kind of sexual contact with a person who is not me to be cheating. I would consider flirting to be skirting the line. But I also think that every couple needs to work out a system that meshes with their personal values. So, what you consider to not be cheating, I would consider cheating, but that doesn't make either of us more right than the other. We both our.

But for me, even if FI were bi, I wouldn't be down with him getting his boy fixes. I'm monogamous and want to be with someone who is also monogamous, so whatever parts they're into, they chose me. But I also have friends who don't feel this way, and that's cool too.
Oh, no, I absolutely think couples should work it out for themselves. I honestly just really want to know what works for other couples out of curiosity. I don't care, what works for me doesn't work for you and that's what makes people awesome.

Agreed 100%

sarawifenow · April 2015

ShesSoCold said:
Anything he does with another person that he would hide from me would be considered cheating. I don't care if it's texting, kissing, going out to dinner. If it needs to be hidden, it's not okay.

This. Our relationship is exactly the same. Anything that the other person wouldn't do directly in front of the other is considered cheating in our book.

littlepep · April 2015

ShesSoCold said:
Anything he does with another person that he would hide from me would be considered cheating. I don't care if it's texting, kissing, going out to dinner. If it needs to be hidden, it's not okay.

ETA: I hope this is obvious but It would also be cheating if he came home and was like, "Oh, BTW, I banged this broad I met last night, I hope that's cool". Sexual physical contact would be cheating.

I agree with this.

redoryx · April 2015

Do you ever listen to Dan Savage's podcast? This topic comes up frequently and it really is fascinating.

charlottesmom0626 · April 2015

I feel like this is so complicated, there's so many levels.

In terms of flirting- we're both pretty fine with getting hit-on and turning it down nicely, or if someone buys a drink or starts flirting- I'm not the type to go flashing my ring around and hanging on FI's arm, we mix and mingle and talk to new people, and he's the same way. He knows I can steer myself out of a conversation if needed, but we're both cool with casual flirting.

For us, I think any form of phone/internet sexting, flirting conversations aren't okay. I guess it just seems purposeful to seek someone out so personally and have a "hidden" communication.

Physical boundaries are very important to us; 100% monogamous. I'm a touchy/feely person especially when I'm drinking, so I hug and kiss (on cheeks) my friends a lot, but if I just full on frenched someone I think he'd be pretty upset, and I would be too.

banana468 · April 2015

Physical cheating starts w/ kissing for me.

Emotional cheating can vary. If he's hiding anything from me then we have a problem. That hiding can be dinner with someone of the opposite sex or it can be a secret porn collection that he views when I'm out of earshot.

If there is any lack of honesty in our relationship then we are having issues.

doeydo · April 2015

To me, I think cheating is crossing the agreed upon boundaries of the relationship. So, it depends on the people in that relationship and what they decided on. For myself and my GF, we haven't had that discussion yet.

flyingfoxes · April 2015

Emotional attachments and any sexual activity with anyone else but each other would be cheating in our book. We're monogamous and that's the end of it for us. What other people do and find to be their boundaries is cool, these are just ours.

sarahufl · April 2015

Physical and emotional count for me. I admire people with open ideas and open relationships, but that isn't for me.

theartistformerlyknownas · April 2015

banana468 said:
Physical cheating starts w/ kissing for me.

Emotional cheating can vary. If he's hiding anything from me then we have a problem. That hiding can be dinner with someone of the opposite sex or it can be a secret porn collection that he views when I'm out of earshot.

If there is any lack of honesty in our relationship then we are having issues.

This. To me, "cheating" is any time you've cheated my trust. Whether that's spending more money at the casino than you claimed, or hitting on your assistant at work, or actually physically having an affair, it's all an abuse of my trust and is not ok.

Now, we don't have any variation of an open relationship, so there's no "hey baby I'm just gonna go bang this broad in my car, BRB" going on either. Wanna have lunch with an ex though, I trust you, just tell me that's what's going on rather than hiding it.

OliveOilsMom · April 2015

banana468 said:
Physical cheating starts w/ kissing for me.

Emotional cheating can vary. If he's hiding anything from me then we have a problem. That hiding can be dinner with someone of the opposite sex or it can be a secret porn collection that he views when I'm out of earshot.

If there is any lack of honesty in our relationship then we are having issues.

I think this sums up H & I's relationship as well.

While planning H's surprise birthday party a few years ago, I had trouble not telling him because we share everything. While I did surprise him with aspects of the party, he said I slipped way too many times for him to not catch on!

banana468 · April 2015

I think there's a big difference between "I'm planning a surprise party" and "I'm talking to someone without your knowledge" but yeah, it's not cool.

On a different forum, one wife mentioned that her DH talked to her about making an investment of thousands. She disagreed and he did it anyway. While that may not be porking someone, it's still a huge betrayal of my trust and there's no way we'd do that. If I'm going to spend more than a hundred dollars or so, I usually tell DH in advance. I don't need his permission but I'm also not a fan of going out on a shopping spree and having him be none the wiser.

chibiyui · April 2015

Hmmm.

I don't have an issue with flirting. We have discussed threesomes, though none have happened, and we're not really looking.

For H, I would consider kissing - through sex to be cheating. A non-sexual relationship he would hide from me would also count.

From H's perspective towards me, kissing if he's not there to watch up to and including sex would be cheating. A non-sexual emotional affair would also be cheating. And I dare say would be the most damaging to our relationship.

VulgarGirl · April 2015

We're monogamous-ish. As Dan Savage wonderfully puts it. The fact is we figured out a few years ago we like the idea of bringing another person to bed once in awhile (or two or three people, whatever). But neither of us like the idea of carrying on a second relationship, or having sex without the other person there.

So we have rules. We both have to agree on inviting someone else to join us, we both have to agree on the person, we're both present, and the person needs to understand this is most likely a one time deal, not an on going relationship.

For monogamy seems very...unnatural. I love my wife very much. We're nearing 11 years together. She's seriously the best part of my day. But when it comes to sex, variety is the spice of life for me. Our first few years we were completely monogamous. And it was fantastic, believe I've never had bad sex with this chick, but...it was hard too. It just didn't jive with me. I can't really explain it other than...this feels not quiet right.

As for Wife, she didn't have a lot of experiences before me. And she was honest with me that she really just wanted to go fuck some other girl. She wanted to exclusive fuck me, but also fuck someone else.

Our first threesome was eye-opening. I like watching her with another girl. I like her watching me with another girl. And vice versa. We also learned we need to be real clear about the "This is most likely a one time deal not a relationship" rule. Stage 4 clinger.

So for me cheating is anything not discussed beforehand. If Wife really wanted to go have sex with some girl without me there, I'd want to talk about that beforehand. I feel no need to hide things from her. I'll tell her if I see someone I think is hot. We even flirt with other women in front of each other (huge turn on). If we had to start hiding these things, that'd be a problem. It's less the act of cheating, more the hiding, that bothers me.

amelisha · April 2015

Every couple gets to make up their own rules on this, I strongly believe.

Our feelings are pretty conservative on the whole subject because we're pretty open and transparent about our wants and needs and making sure that there's no need to go elsewhere for anything, but honestly in the future if that were to change and FI had a need I couldn't/wouldn't meet, I wouldn't rule it out on principle. Along these lines I couldn't care less about "adult entertainment" in any form, either.

Emotional stuff would hurt me a lot though. I don't care how many friends he has or how much they hang out but I would be absolutely crushed if he were having romantic feelings for someone else. That said, I trust him and his female friends and he's never kept secrets from me about who he's hanging out with or whatever.

All that said, our best friends all operate on a sliding scale in this area. In our circle we have some non-monogamous couples, some with the same-sex only clause, some who only go extramarital if they're together, etc etc. I think they're all valid options as long as everyone involved agrees, and I've seen firsthand how well these things can work if everyone communicates properly and all that.

climbingsingle · April 2015

I'd consider kissing cheating, and obviously anything further that followed. And real kissing, not like what my friend did to me the other night. An emotional affair would be cheating in my book too.

If my H were bi, we'd probably have an arragement like you, hellosweetie, though I wonder if maybe I'd be present for that. We've talked about having threesomes, so it's something we'll be discussing in the future.

southernbelle0915 · April 2015

Cheating = any time established boundaries are crossed and/or trust is violated.

In some relationships, that means someone didn't give their partner the heads up about their plans to fuck someone else. In some relationships, it means they made out with someone else. In some relationships, it means they fell in love with someone else.

In ours, being sexually involved with others is crossing the line. Being emotionally involved with someone else is also crossing the line. We don't have stuff written in stone like "thou shall not touch another breast/penis" but I think we're pretty in tune with what we're both ok/not ok with.

mikenberger · April 2015

This is about the only thing I agree with Dr. Phil on...

If you don't feel comfortable doing it in front of your partner or feel like you have to hide it, it's cheating. I do admit though, I'd rather him have a fling with some random than an emotional affair. Especially with someone we know.

Kahlyla · April 2015

ShesSoCold said:
Anything he does with another person that he would hide from me would be considered cheating. I don't care if it's texting, kissing, going out to dinner. If it needs to be hidden, it's not okay.

ETA: I hope this is obvious but It would also be cheating if he came home and was like, "Oh, BTW, I banged this broad I met last night, I hope that's cool". Sexual physical contact would be cheating.

This, basically.

We're both still pretty wary of threesomes, although it's something we discuss and I can see it evolving over time. We're both somewhat interested in the idea of having sex in a group setting - like two couples in separate hotel room beds or a big tent or something, but each pair monogamous. Strangely enough, the opportunity just never seems to come up in our daily lives!

I will say that if he ever felt like he wanted to explore something sexual (not emotional, just fun) with another man, I would likely be open to that as long as there was total transparency. I don't imagine it's ever going to come up as he doesn't seem the least bit interested! But I don't think I would want to just completely shut the door (ha) to a whole other side of sexuality, if that was something he felt he really wanted to explore. Ditto if I wanted to be with a woman. I reckon a proper threesome would likely be the best and safest way to go about this, for us - so, again, I feel like we're not quite there yet but maybe someday.

NowIamMrsKlein · April 2015

Physical cheating in our relationship is

'physical contact with the intention of something further'

The obvious standard kissing and everything escalated from that. But I would also be uncomfortable with physical touches that are overtly flirtatious. If my FI was out at a bar and hand his hands on another womans thigh under the table, I would have a problem with that. To me that kind of touch isn't 'innocent' or 'friendly'

I have no problems with friendly hugs and kisses on the cheeks, if that is the kind of established relationship the person has with my FI.

Emotional cheating is a little hard to put into words. I definitely agree with the 'anything that someone keeps hidden' would fall into that category. If FI is doing something that he doesnt feel comfortable telling me, then I would perhaps question his or the other persons intentions.

For the first year of our relationship, FI's best friend was a woman that he had a sexual history with. Because he was open and honest about their past, and never concealed anything about them, while at first I was a little weirded out by it, I wasn't worried about their relationship. However when said woman expressed a renewed interest in FI, FI came straight to me, told me their conversations and in the end stopped hanging out with her because it was starting to get into grey territory that neither of us were comfortable with.

redoryx · April 2015

MagicInk said:
We're monogamous-ish. As Dan Savage wonderfully puts it. The fact is we figured out a few years ago we like the idea of bringing another person to bed once in awhile (or two or three people, whatever). But neither of us like the idea of carrying on a second relationship, or having sex without the other person there.

So we have rules. We both have to agree on inviting someone else to join us, we both have to agree on the person, we're both present, and the person needs to understand this is most likely a one time deal, not an on going relationship.

For monogamy seems very...unnatural. I love my wife very much. We're nearing 11 years together. She's seriously the best part of my day. But when it comes to sex, variety is the spice of life for me. Our first few years we were completely monogamous. And it was fantastic, believe I've never had bad sex with this chick, but...it was hard too. It just didn't jive with me. I can't really explain it other than...this feels not quiet right.

As for Wife, she didn't have a lot of experiences before me. And she was honest with me that she really just wanted to go fuck some other girl. She wanted to exclusive fuck me, but also fuck someone else.

Our first threesome was eye-opening. I like watching her with another girl. I like her watching me with another girl. And vice versa. We also learned we need to be real clear about the "This is most likely a one time deal not a relationship" rule. Stage 4 clinger.

So for me cheating is anything not discussed beforehand. If Wife really wanted to go have sex with some girl without me there, I'd want to talk about that beforehand. I feel no need to hide things from her. I'll tell her if I see someone I think is hot. We even flirt with other women in front of each other (huge turn on). If we had to start hiding these things, that'd be a problem. It's less the act of cheating, more the hiding, that bothers me.

I love Dan Savage. He also talks about that a lot of people assume their partner is monogamous but sometimes they are more monogomish but this sort of thing doesn't come out until far into the relationship. So it's always important to be open and honest and communicate boundries and such.

VulgarGirl · April 2015

redoryx said:

MagicInk said:
We're monogamous-ish. As Dan Savage wonderfully puts it. The fact is we figured out a few years ago we like the idea of bringing another person to bed once in awhile (or two or three people, whatever). But neither of us like the idea of carrying on a second relationship, or having sex without the other person there.

So we have rules. We both have to agree on inviting someone else to join us, we both have to agree on the person, we're both present, and the person needs to understand this is most likely a one time deal, not an on going relationship.

For monogamy seems very...unnatural. I love my wife very much. We're nearing 11 years together. She's seriously the best part of my day. But when it comes to sex, variety is the spice of life for me. Our first few years we were completely monogamous. And it was fantastic, believe I've never had bad sex with this chick, but...it was hard too. It just didn't jive with me. I can't really explain it other than...this feels not quiet right.

As for Wife, she didn't have a lot of experiences before me. And she was honest with me that she really just wanted to go fuck some other girl. She wanted to exclusive fuck me, but also fuck someone else.

Our first threesome was eye-opening. I like watching her with another girl. I like her watching me with another girl. And vice versa. We also learned we need to be real clear about the "This is most likely a one time deal not a relationship" rule. Stage 4 clinger.

So for me cheating is anything not discussed beforehand. If Wife really wanted to go have sex with some girl without me there, I'd want to talk about that beforehand. I feel no need to hide things from her. I'll tell her if I see someone I think is hot. We even flirt with other women in front of each other (huge turn on). If we had to start hiding these things, that'd be a problem. It's less the act of cheating, more the hiding, that bothers me.
I love Dan Savage. He also talks about that a lot of people assume their partner is monogamous but sometimes they are more monogomish but this sort of thing doesn't come out until far into the relationship. So it's always important to be open and honest and communicate boundries and such.

I was introduced to Dan Savage when I read the book "The Kid" about him and his husband adopting their kid. It was so fucking funny, I love him.

But really yes, you need to talk about your sexual needs with the person you are banging. Everyone needs to be on the same page. And not just fucking/not fucking other people. What are you interested in in bed? What are your limits? Do you want to try this thing? I really want to try this thing, can I try it with another person if you're not into it?

I know people who say their too embarrassed to talk about sex with the person they are sexing with. Um...that's a problem. This person is fucking you, you are fucking them you should be able to discuss fucking. There is nothing embarrassing about sex, even if you wanna try kinky shit your partner is not into. And if your partner makes you feel bad about your kinks, your partner sucks.

Assuming of course your kinks are legal, don't involve non-consent/kids/ect.

amelisha · April 2015

All of that, @MagicInk.

I've been involved in some pretty unconventional stuff pre-FI so I know I'm more laid- back than a lot of people, but it really does astonish me when people won't talk about this kind of thing with the person they're involved with. Madness.

mikenberger · April 2015

MagicInk said:

redoryx said:

MagicInk said:
We're monogamous-ish. As Dan Savage wonderfully puts it. The fact is we figured out a few years ago we like the idea of bringing another person to bed once in awhile (or two or three people, whatever). But neither of us like the idea of carrying on a second relationship, or having sex without the other person there.

So we have rules. We both have to agree on inviting someone else to join us, we both have to agree on the person, we're both present, and the person needs to understand this is most likely a one time deal, not an on going relationship.

For monogamy seems very...unnatural. I love my wife very much. We're nearing 11 years together. She's seriously the best part of my day. But when it comes to sex, variety is the spice of life for me. Our first few years we were completely monogamous. And it was fantastic, believe I've never had bad sex with this chick, but...it was hard too. It just didn't jive with me. I can't really explain it other than...this feels not quiet right.

As for Wife, she didn't have a lot of experiences before me. And she was honest with me that she really just wanted to go fuck some other girl. She wanted to exclusive fuck me, but also fuck someone else.

Our first threesome was eye-opening. I like watching her with another girl. I like her watching me with another girl. And vice versa. We also learned we need to be real clear about the "This is most likely a one time deal not a relationship" rule. Stage 4 clinger.

So for me cheating is anything not discussed beforehand. If Wife really wanted to go have sex with some girl without me there, I'd want to talk about that beforehand. I feel no need to hide things from her. I'll tell her if I see someone I think is hot. We even flirt with other women in front of each other (huge turn on). If we had to start hiding these things, that'd be a problem. It's less the act of cheating, more the hiding, that bothers me.
I love Dan Savage. He also talks about that a lot of people assume their partner is monogamous but sometimes they are more monogomish but this sort of thing doesn't come out until far into the relationship. So it's always important to be open and honest and communicate boundries and such.
I was introduced to Dan Savage when I read the book "The Kid" about him and his husband adopting their kid. It was so fucking funny, I love him.

But really yes, you need to talk about your sexual needs with the person you are banging. Everyone needs to be on the same page. And not just fucking/not fucking other people. What are you interested in in bed? What are your limits? Do you want to try this thing? I really want to try this thing, can I try it with another person if you're not into it?

I know people who say their too embarrassed to talk about sex with the person they are sexing with. Um...that's a problem. This person is fucking you, you are fucking them you should be able to discuss fucking. There is nothing embarrassing about sex, even if you wanna try kinky shit your partner is not into. And if your partner makes you feel bad about your kinks, your partner sucks.

Assuming of course your kinks are legal, don't involve non-consent/kids/ect.

100% all these things. It's amazing to me that people don't feel comfortable talking about sex with their life partners. Hello? Do you not get naked in front of them? Do you not talk about all other important things? Sex is just as important as making sure the mortgage gets paid or the kids get to soccer.

VulgarGirl · April 2015

mikenberger said:

MagicInk said:

redoryx said:

MagicInk said:
We're monogamous-ish. As Dan Savage wonderfully puts it. The fact is we figured out a few years ago we like the idea of bringing another person to bed once in awhile (or two or three people, whatever). But neither of us like the idea of carrying on a second relationship, or having sex without the other person there.

So we have rules. We both have to agree on inviting someone else to join us, we both have to agree on the person, we're both present, and the person needs to understand this is most likely a one time deal, not an on going relationship.

For monogamy seems very...unnatural. I love my wife very much. We're nearing 11 years together. She's seriously the best part of my day. But when it comes to sex, variety is the spice of life for me. Our first few years we were completely monogamous. And it was fantastic, believe I've never had bad sex with this chick, but...it was hard too. It just didn't jive with me. I can't really explain it other than...this feels not quiet right.

As for Wife, she didn't have a lot of experiences before me. And she was honest with me that she really just wanted to go fuck some other girl. She wanted to exclusive fuck me, but also fuck someone else.

Our first threesome was eye-opening. I like watching her with another girl. I like her watching me with another girl. And vice versa. We also learned we need to be real clear about the "This is most likely a one time deal not a relationship" rule. Stage 4 clinger.

So for me cheating is anything not discussed beforehand. If Wife really wanted to go have sex with some girl without me there, I'd want to talk about that beforehand. I feel no need to hide things from her. I'll tell her if I see someone I think is hot. We even flirt with other women in front of each other (huge turn on). If we had to start hiding these things, that'd be a problem. It's less the act of cheating, more the hiding, that bothers me.
I love Dan Savage. He also talks about that a lot of people assume their partner is monogamous but sometimes they are more monogomish but this sort of thing doesn't come out until far into the relationship. So it's always important to be open and honest and communicate boundries and such.
I was introduced to Dan Savage when I read the book "The Kid" about him and his husband adopting their kid. It was so fucking funny, I love him.

But really yes, you need to talk about your sexual needs with the person you are banging. Everyone needs to be on the same page. And not just fucking/not fucking other people. What are you interested in in bed? What are your limits? Do you want to try this thing? I really want to try this thing, can I try it with another person if you're not into it?

I know people who say their too embarrassed to talk about sex with the person they are sexing with. Um...that's a problem. This person is fucking you, you are fucking them you should be able to discuss fucking. There is nothing embarrassing about sex, even if you wanna try kinky shit your partner is not into. And if your partner makes you feel bad about your kinks, your partner sucks.

Assuming of course your kinks are legal, don't involve non-consent/kids/ect.
100% all these things. It's amazing to me that people don't feel comfortable talking about sex with their life partners. Hello? Do you not get naked in front of them? Do you not talk about all other important things? Sex is just as important as making sure the mortgage gets paid or the kids get to soccer.

I don't want to tell my wife I want her to dress me in latex, spank me and call me a naughty boy! She'll think less of me!

Or she might be super into the end of being your dom. Ya don't know until you ask.

buttercup1958 · April 2015

Cheating is pretty clear cut in V and I's relationship. Kissing and beyond is physical cheating. I would also be very uncomfortable if V held another girl's hand. We also consider anything that's extreme flirty behavior not ok. Emotional cheating is pretty much hiding things, talking about wanting another relationship with someone else, ect. We are both really happy in our relationship. I've cheated on people and I don't want to be that person again. So I know if I start to feel unhappy, then I need to talk to V. Because usually that's when in the past things started to get murky.

falsara · April 2015

We have a no sexual contact rule, that includes french kissing. We also have a no emotional cheating rule. If he has to hide it, it's not good.

We're both good with flirting and such or being hit on etc.

We've also talked about threesomes, and at one point there will be a discussion about actually doing it and all the logistics.

We're very open about what each of us wants sexual and we've been very open about things we want to try. We would have a discussion If anything new was to come up, and then there would be new, agreed upon, guidelines.

FI has a lot of women who live in his hometown that text him out of no where and want him to listen to their problems. These are not girls that he is friends with or anything. He was the guy who would listen back when we weren't together. He normally just tells them that he doesn't want to talk with them and tells them he's engaged. He always tells me when this happens because he wants me to know that some lady texted him who I don't Know.

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