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Whaaaaaat is going on here?

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Re: Whaaaaaat is going on here?

  • To the many, many comments about people looking for reasons to be offended: If you are reported multiple times for being offensive, maybe you're really being offensive. If you are here primarily for the drama...why? Why not just make a TK snark tumblr and hang out there? Newly engaged people do not make TK accounts to in order to entertain you.

    To the OP, yes, I absolutely think the community in general would benefit from less bitchiness and more effort to give each other the benefit of the doubt.

    I hang around here because I want to read and talk about weddings a lot right now without irritating my non-engaged friends. Every time I post, I do so knowing there will very likely be some backlash from the bullies, but I post anyway because there are also some helpful people around here.
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  • jenna8984jenna8984 member
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    edited May 2015
    esstee33 said:

    jenna8984 said:

    I agree with bits and pieces of what everyone is saying. I wasn't the biggest fan of Ashley or some others who would purposely turn your words around. Like huskypuppy said that thread I had said "little lady" turned into a fucking disaster of people shredding apart that one word for pages. That shit does get annoying to me and others. There was a thread on another board about a pregnant member's gender reveal party and out of 30 posts every one of them was happy and supportive of her impending baby and they were having fun guessing. It didn't get torn in another direction by "sex isn't gender" arguments like it would have on this board.

    I'm not saying people shouldn't bring these things up and just be stepford wives but it would be different if it were mentioned in a better way. I just saw a post on etiquette I believe where a newb said her cousin's boyfriend is "white trash and unemployed" and Ashley wrote "ew you are classest as fuck". I mean that is offputting to new members, she could have just said "hey don't judge, you don't know the reasons one might by unemployed ". Do people not agree that there's still a way to have confrontation in a less intimidating tone?

    But regardless I have gotten great advice here on wedding and nonwedding topics from everyone so I plan to stick around.




    ****UGH UGH UGH****




    You immediately got defensive when people pointed out that "little lady" and "little man" are totally loaded words. That's why your thread blew up on such a massive scale. Words have meanings and connotations that impact people in different ways. Had you been like "Oh, I didn't realize those words could be offensive to people," the response might have been different. But, as it happened, you instead decided that you'd rather fight about it. 

    I have no idea what other thread you're even talking about. Context and tone of that specific board counts for a lot. 
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    Because I'm not going to apologize for something I didn't do or mean. I clearly didn't intend it in an "offensive" context so I don't agree with having to apologize or redact what I said.
    If I had said "oh this invitation is so gay" or something like that which IS in the wrong then I'd absolutely apologize and not get defensive.

                                                                     

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  • edited May 2015
    esstee33 said:


    People who have been sexually assaulted finding fault in a song that seems to very clearly blur the lines of consent isn't "trying to find reasons to be offended." 


    Here's a good example of someone not going off the deep end when responding to something they don't agree with.

    Estee and I do not agree on the interpretation of this song, and I stated as much in the thread in December, but we can have this discussion w/o getting personal and shitty.

    "Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."


  • This is sort of what I was talking about... basically a rather mundane thread being turned into a 5 page disaster because someone worded something in a way that inadvertently offended somebody else, and that somebody else going completely crazy over it.  It happens here in ChitChat VERY often, and is one of the reasons I don't even participate in certain threads.  Some of it completely ruins some discussions instead of enhancing them.

    Maybe I'm weird, but I try to approach interactions here just like I do "in real life".  If I wouldn't say something to somebody's face in person, I'm certainly not going to say it here. 

    ****BOXES****



    "Ruins" discussions in your opinion, but you apparently don't realize that not everyone is you and not everyone wants the same things as you. If you don't want to participate in a thread that went in a direction you don't like, that's fantastic for you. Don't participate in it. But don't expect a medal for it, because it's not noteworthy. 
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    I would like a medal for suffering through some conversations. Probably this one, by the end of the day.

    A lot of things in this thread are bothering me. 

    There is a lot of premature rejoicing here on this thread. "Oh goody gumdrops! The meanies have gone away so it's now safe to speak, and encourage a more polite community! Hurrah! I was afraid to post before, but now the sun is shining. Maybe the kingdom will enact laws to create peace and happiness in our village."

    Does everyone coming out of the Kindness Cottage realize that nobody left? 

    Just Ashley. Everyone else is still here. Nothing has changed. 
    Calm down, villagers. 

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    Fully aware nobody has left other than Ashley.  Some people have said they've left, but I know how that goes, remains to be see if they stay gone.  As I have continually been stating, the thread was started to ask our opinions about what went down.  I think that's what we're all doing here, right?  

    Right, except this is a discussion forum, not a poll, so people are going to comment back and forth on people's stated opinions. . . hence the "discussion" in discussion forum.

    "Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."


  • esstee33 said:

    Yup. Although I fear if I start reporting everyone who calls me rude after well-intentioned responses, I might have to give up my social life. 

    Under the guidelines of the TOS, even if you answered "no" to any of those thought-provoking questions about the intent of your post, someone else can still be offended by it. But their being offended by (and potentially reporting) it don't make it actually offensive, and being told you're rude or a bully for trying to answer their question is totally uncalled for. It's absolutely absurd how frequently people are called rude or accused of bullying just because the poster didn't get the answer / validation they hoped for, not to mention a whole bunch of people throwing around some "mean girls" digs. How is that OK? 
    And it's absurd to get your panties in a bunch over a user signature phrase/image that isn't even directed at anyone in particular.

    "Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."


  • esstee33esstee33 member
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  • edited June 2015
  • This is wonderful news! I see the new changes are working already. It is so lovely that we are all willing to admit our mistakes now- I remember in the past when you complained about minorities (but who doesn't) living in your neighborhood and it was pointed out that it was offensive you did not apologize right away. The new TOS is already working! I knew you would all love them- it will be much easier now that we can get rid of silly gooses and keep all the non silly special gooses instead, I think the threads will be much better now that we can all just say agree to disagree and not challenge each other. Wouldn't it be better to just relax and know that everything you've ever thought is true, and your opinion is always the best? I for one love the new knot. 

    Mimosas & Down Feathers, 
    Mrs. Frances.


    ETA: I would of course never complain but these boxes are a bit quirky aren't they? 

    this is exactly the shit I'm talking about. I never once COMPLAINED about minorities living in my town. I stated a fact that they lived there. That was all. Apparently you're not allowed to say the word Puerto Rican without everyone being like "omg you're so racist". So yea obviously I'm going to defend myself when what I said was not fucking racist. Anyone is going to defend themselves when their words get thrown around and they are called something they are not. But you decide to hate for my the rest of my existence because of this one thread in which you twisted in your mind to make me racist. 

    And I know that no one else on this board  has left or been banned. I'm not an idiot. 

                                                                     

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  • jenna8984 said:

    ETA: I would of course never complain but these boxes are a bit quirky aren't they? 
    this is exactly the shit I'm talking about. I never once COMPLAINED about minorities living in my town. I stated a fact that they lived there. That was all. Apparently you're not allowed to say the word Puerto Rican without everyone being like "omg you're so racist". So yea obviously I'm going to defend myself when what I said was not fucking racist. Anyone is going to defend themselves when their words get thrown around and they are called something they are not. But you decide to hate for my the rest of my existence because of this one thread in which you twisted in your mind to make me racist. 

    And I know that no one else on this board  has left or been banned. I'm not an idiot. 


    Sweetheart I would never hate anyone! But it was a little racist. You need to learn these things in case your husband ever runs for office. Better to learn you are wrong on the knot than to learn at his press conference! I certainly didn't mean to derail this thread- I was just noticing that the people who seem to be thrilled SheWhoWillNotBeNamed is gone are some of the same people who have said some problematic things in the past. That's why I think this is such a good thing that we have the new TOS, so we don't have to have these arguments anymore! 

    Buttercream frosting & Cake plates, 

    Mrs. Frances 

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  • esstee33esstee33 member
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    edited July 2015
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  • jenna8984 said:

    ETA: I would of course never complain but these boxes are a bit quirky aren't they? 
    this is exactly the shit I'm talking about. I never once COMPLAINED about minorities living in my town. I stated a fact that they lived there. That was all. Apparently you're not allowed to say the word Puerto Rican without everyone being like "omg you're so racist". So yea obviously I'm going to defend myself when what I said was not fucking racist. Anyone is going to defend themselves when their words get thrown around and they are called something they are not. But you decide to hate for my the rest of my existence because of this one thread in which you twisted in your mind to make me racist. 

    And I know that no one else on this board  has left or been banned. I'm not an idiot. 


    Ok, but what was the context of the statements that you made regarding minorities?  Because maybe you might not have been intending to come of as racist, but other people may have taken offense to the comments based on the context.

    How did you respond?  Did you say, "Oh I didn't mean it like that at all, sorry if it came across that way." and move on?

    "Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."


  • Here's a thought:


    If you don't like the direction a thread has gone, either say something, or don't post in it. Hell, don't even read it. If you want to get back to the original topic, post about the original topic. It's really not that hard.

    There are many threads, especially on CC, where I think "I have nothing to contribute to that discussion." Do I post in those threads? No. Do I get upset that the discussion exists, or has been taken a different direction? No. That would be crazy.

    If you don't like the tone or content of a post, or even a poster, IGNORE IT.
    Goddamned logic again? I just can't with all the common sense. 
  • Fran, I'm peeing my pants over here. I know that's appalling. Do forgive me!
    What did you think would happen if you walked up to a group of internet strangers and told them to get shoehorned by their lady doc?~StageManager14
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  • edited June 2015
  • Fair enough if people abuse the reporting system, but the initial thread or two I saw on the TOS change didn't really suggest that was the case.
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