@KnotHolly would my screenshot been acceptable if I'd blacked out the name of the mod that issued me the warning? I thought about it but figured it would be pretty obvious, since it happened on etiquette and she's the only etiquette mod.
No hard feelings against that mod. I get it, it is a black-and-white clearcut slur. I just thought it was a great example of inconsistency.
Wasn't Ashley's first warning because she changed her signature and a mod got offended thinking it was aimed at her? The current responses are trying to make it sound like it started because Ashley just started randomly spamming middle fingers, but wasn't that the reason? I'm just reading all this agreeing with the regs- clear as mud.....
Yes, Ashley had a gif in her signature with middle finger. A mod stepped up (post-Ashley banning) saying she felt it was directed at her. So she got warning number 1.
Then Ashley started TOS PSA thread about her warning, with a bunch of middle finger gifs. Which others (who aren't banned) participated in posting their own middle fingers. And pointing out they had signatures that said fuck/bitch/some other curse word that newbie SS always seem to think are directed towards them.
However when those newbie SS reported them they are told no that's their signature and it shows up everywhere and is not directed at you. But apparently when a mod does the same thing (thinking something is directed at them when it isn't) the person is made to change their signature.
@KnotHolly would my screenshot been acceptable if I'd blacked out the name of the mod that issued me the warning? I thought about it but figured it would be pretty obvious, since it happened on etiquette and she's the only etiquette mod.
No hard feelings against that mod. I get it, it is a black-and-white clearcut slur. I just thought it was a great example of inconsistency.
This would also not be allowed. Posting the content of a PM, with or without usernames displayed, is against the TOS.
@KnotHolly would my screenshot been acceptable if I'd blacked out the name of the mod that issued me the warning? I thought about it but figured it would be pretty obvious, since it happened on etiquette and she's the only etiquette mod.
No hard feelings against that mod. I get it, it is a black-and-white clearcut slur. I just thought it was a great example of inconsistency.
This would also not be allowed. Posting the content of a PM, with or without usernames displayed, is against the TOS.
But it's not a PM, it's a warning. When a mod has already alleged in this thread that people are claiming warnings that haven't actually been issued, what's wrong with being like "no, I really did get warned for this. See?"
Clear as mud.
Edited because I preemtively yelled at the boxes that are, in fact, working. For now.
Just so y'all know, KnotRiley and knotholly aren't logged into the forums 24/7. They're paid employees who work a regular schedule. So they likely won't be back until tomorrow.
But they were able to ban Ashley on a Friday night before a holiday weekend.
I apologize for our lack of responses last night, we’ve compiled (hopefully) all of your questions and are addressing them below.
To start, if you have a concern about a warning issued, you can respond to it any time after receiving it, whether through PM or email. If the admins were not the ones who have issued it, you can always come to us to refute it, and we’ll look into why you were issued the warning and whether it should be removed. We evaluate the context of all posts and apply the TOS in the same way for all members.
The amount of time between issuing warnings and banning is based on each individual’s behavior. When we issue the final warning, we give it a few minutes to go through, then if we continue to see the person’s activity is clearly not changing we have no choice but to ban.
We take issues like racism and homophobia extremely seriously and work hard to address each instance of this on the boards. In cases where these comments are directed at other users (or “racially, ethnically or otherwise, objectionable language” is used - from our TOS) we absolutely address them. As for the other threads mentioned, we ask that you always flag those comments when you see them so that we can address them.
In regards to posting off-topic gifs, since we have not issued warnings for behavior like this in the past, we handled this case in the same way. Moving forward, we will be more clear about issuing warnings for posts that are meant to disrupt the normal discussion of a thread. We (admins and mods) try to be as consistent as possible with our warnings. If something is toeing the line, but hasn’t been warned for in the past, we will try our best to stay consistent and not warn for it. This is whywe want to create the guidelinesto make everything much clearer on what we will/will not be warning for. I can’t say these will be the only reasons we will have to warn people, but I think it will help to make everything much clearer.
The change in CC moderation occurred because a moderator stepped down and Lynda preferred to be on a different board. CC tends to have the most heated discussions, it’s the most work to monitor and it wasn’t very fair that Lynda would have to put up with that alone, so @KnotHolly and I decided it was best for everyone if we took it over.
I think allowing you all to have a say in these new guidelines and any changes to the TOS is a good start. Please just keep in mind there are things that we cannot remove or change from our TOS for legal reasons, but I think especially having you all help with the guidelines to make all of this more clear would be great.
Thank you for responding.
This all seems perfectly reasonable, but it doesn't explain why an admin decided to warn Larry for an "obscene" video, when that kind of thing has never happened before, andplusalso it wasn't any more obscene or vulgar than half the stuff we post in gifs or in your average TMI post.
I'm not even going to bother tagging Larry to come and "prove" that it happened, since apparently screenshots of warning notifications are (conveniently) illegal to post. But this happened. This happened suspiciously right after Ashley was warned/banned. Is Larry just on a shit list? If someone else decided to post a Louis CK video, would they have been home free? Is that an acceptable way to moderate? I don't think so.
The problem with having admins take over moderation of the CC board is that we're all going to hold you MUCH more accountable than we would an average mod (for the record, I'm not happy with the seemingly blind defending that some mods are participating in, but I don't blame them for recent bullshit on the CC board in the slightest. I understand they are unpaid, normal members who can only really afford to get into warning people when someone flags a post. I get it). Especially when warnings fly left and right after a pretty high-profile banning, people will get nervous, and they will wonder why all of a sudden it's only people who were most publicly friendly with the banned person are getting warnings (and for stuff we've seen all over these boards, and participated in ourselves without being warned).
I realize writing a clear TOS is nigh impossible. But enforcing it consistently really isn't. It just isn't. And it wasn't the mods who suddenly went off the rails as far as that goes. It was you and Holly. I would be a lot happier if you two could own that instead of disappearing for days and letting the mods try to fight your battles. It's shitty behavior.
Just so y'all know, KnotRiley and knotholly aren't logged into the forums 24/7. They're paid employees who work a regular schedule. So they likely won't be back until tomorrow.
But they were able to ban Ashley on a Friday night before a holiday weekend.
Really? This is what you chose to get upset about? Of all the shit in this thread... People kept paging them, so I thought it would be helpful to let people know they aren't logged into the forums 24 hours a day.
And sorry, no. KR and KH don't check in with me every single time they decide to work late or flex their schedule of whatever the they decide to do. Do you want them to check in with you? With the community? To punch in and out on the Tech Board? Of course..that makes sense...
Just so y'all know, KnotRiley and knotholly aren't logged into the forums 24/7. They're paid employees who work a regular schedule. So they likely won't be back until tomorrow.
But they were able to ban Ashley on a Friday night before a holiday weekend.
Really? This is what you chose to get upset about? Of all the shit in this thread... People kept paging them, so I thought it would be helpful to let people know they aren't logged into the forums 24 hours a day.
And sorry, no. KR and KH don't check in with me every single time they decide to work late or flex their schedule of whatever the they decide to do. Do you want them to check in with you? With the community? To punch in and out on the Tech Board? Of course..that makes sense...
Do you want me to say the same thing everyone else said. I was just mentioning something that no one mentioned previously. I agree with previous posters as you will see from my likes.
I just find it convenient they were able to ban her at night and then drop her thread so it didn't get bumped up. But we have had problems with other posters spamming the board in the past and it's taken close to a week to get it straightened out.
I also find it ridiculous that the Louis CK video Larry posted was against TOS. There was nothing worse in that video than anything else we've discussed in TMI threads.
Just so y'all know, KnotRiley and knotholly aren't logged into the forums 24/7. They're paid employees who work a regular schedule. So they likely won't be back until tomorrow.
But they were able to ban Ashley on a Friday night before a holiday weekend.
Really? This is what you chose to get upset about? Of all the shit in this thread... People kept paging them, so I thought it would be helpful to let people know they aren't logged into the forums 24 hours a day.
And sorry, no. KR and KH don't check in with me every single time they decide to work late or flex their schedule of whatever the they decide to do. Do you want them to check in with you? With the community? To punch in and out on the Tech Board? Of course..that makes sense...
Do you want me to say the same thing everyone else said. I was just mentioning something that no one mentioned previously. I agree with previous posters as you will see from my likes.
I just find it convenient they were able to ban her at night and then drop her thread so it didn't get bumped up. But we have had problems with other posters spamming the board in the past and it's taken close to a week to get it straightened out.
I also find it ridiculous that the Louis CK video Larry posted was against TOS. There was nothing worse in that video than anything else we've discussed in TMI threads.
I can see how you think it's convenient.
However, I was relieved of my CC duties last Tuesday. So what, 10 days now? Before then they didn't have to worry about nights, weekends or holidays because I (in theory) was around.
I'm not at all surprised that the first week of them moderating CC they would be around more often then in the past. I'm expecting to see them around after hours a little more now they have taken over.
What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests. Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated.
@KnotHolly would my screenshot been acceptable if I'd blacked out the name of the mod that issued me the warning? I thought about it but figured it would be pretty obvious, since it happened on etiquette and she's the only etiquette mod.
No hard feelings against that mod. I get it, it is a black-and-white clearcut slur. I just thought it was a great example of inconsistency.
This would also not be allowed. Posting the content of a PM, with or without usernames displayed, is against the TOS.
Okay. I would make a very strong suggestion to outline that in the TOS. Because I was under the impression that a) a warning isn't the same as a PM and b) if it's not done for the purpose of being cruel to someone, it's probably okay.
I have received some PMs that I'm dying to share, but I haven't. Not only have I not posted screenshots, but I haven't discussed their content nor who sent the PMs, because that is a fair and good rule, and a screenshot vs detailing it doesn't make a big difference.
But many people in this thread have detailed what they got a warning for, when, on what thread, and from what admin and that's okay. But someone vaguely suggests these accusations are not true so I post a screenshot for proof. How is it really any different, except that it gives evidence?
So if I were like hey guys, I got this notification that I got 500 love-its, that would also be bad?
ETA: since I can't post proof that I'm not a liar, can I report photokitty for vaguely maybe calling me one? It hurt my feels. I am certain the comment that people are making up warnings was directed at me.
Just so y'all know, KnotRiley and knotholly aren't logged into the forums 24/7. They're paid employees who work a regular schedule. So they likely won't be back until tomorrow.
But they were able to ban Ashley on a Friday night before a holiday weekend.
Really? This is what you chose to get upset about? Of all the shit in this thread... People kept paging them, so I thought it would be helpful to let people know they aren't logged into the forums 24 hours a day.
Wow. I had no idea. I thought they were robots, or maybe that XO feeds them meth so they don't have to sleep.
I paged them, not expecting an immediate answer. I wasn't like OMG it's been 5 minutes! People did gripe about a slow response in general, but that's because that is a very typical pattern of behavior.
Just so y'all know, KnotRiley and knotholly aren't logged into the forums 24/7. They're paid employees who work a regular schedule. So they likely won't be back until tomorrow.
But they were able to ban Ashley on a Friday night before a holiday weekend.
Really? This is what you chose to get upset about? Of all the shit in this thread... People kept paging them, so I thought it would be helpful to let people know they aren't logged into the forums 24 hours a day.
And sorry, no. KR and KH don't check in with me every single time they decide to work late or flex their schedule of whatever the they decide to do. Do you want them to check in with you? With the community? To punch in and out on the Tech Board? Of course..that makes sense...
Do you want me to say the same thing everyone else said. I was just mentioning something that no one mentioned previously. I agree with previous posters as you will see from my likes.
I just find it convenient they were able to ban her at night and then drop her thread so it didn't get bumped up. But we have had problems with other posters spamming the board in the past and it's taken close to a week to get it straightened out.
I also find it ridiculous that the Louis CK video Larry posted was against TOS. There was nothing worse in that video than anything else we've discussed in TMI threads.
Ok that's fine and I get where you're coming from. But realistically, their work schedule isn't really a point of contention around here. So they work late? So their boss makes something a priority for them? So they're asked to work Memorial Day weekend?
I get wanting clarity and consistency in the TOS, but pointing how their work schedule just seemed nitpicky to me.
We just wanted you to know we're not trying to ignore this thread. There's a lot of questions that have been asked so we're working on a response to everything right now.
Thanks for your patience!
Why not just go through the whole thread and simply answer questions one at a time, in a candid manner? It seems kind of convoluted to write one big master post to try to answer all of them. Unless, of course, you need to work on a very vague and canned response.
I can get through a big thread and make responses to several people. I'm doing that right now. It doesn't really take a full day's work.
Just so y'all know, KnotRiley and knotholly aren't logged into the forums 24/7. They're paid employees who work a regular schedule. So they likely won't be back until tomorrow.
But they were able to ban Ashley on a Friday night before a holiday weekend.
Really? This is what you chose to get upset about? Of all the shit in this thread... People kept paging them, so I thought it would be helpful to let people know they aren't logged into the forums 24 hours a day.
And sorry, no. KR and KH don't check in with me every single time they decide to work late or flex their schedule of whatever the they decide to do. Do you want them to check in with you? With the community? To punch in and out on the Tech Board? Of course..that makes sense...
Do you want me to say the same thing everyone else said. I was just mentioning something that no one mentioned previously. I agree with previous posters as you will see from my likes.
I just find it convenient they were able to ban her at night and then drop her thread so it didn't get bumped up. But we have had problems with other posters spamming the board in the past and it's taken close to a week to get it straightened out.
I also find it ridiculous that the Louis CK video Larry posted was against TOS. There was nothing worse in that video than anything else we've discussed in TMI threads.
I can see how you think it's convenient.
However, I was relieved of my CC duties last Tuesday. So what, 10 days now? Before then they didn't have to worry about nights, weekends or holidays because I (in theory) was around.
I'm not at all surprised that the first week of them moderating CC they would be around more often then in the past. I'm expecting to see them around after hours a little more now they have taken over.
The thing is, they can't have it both ways. We can't accept that it's cool to ban someone late on a holiday Friday because "they probably work later now because CC has no night/weekend mod" and ALSO decline to respond here because "well after all they work 9-5."
I also find it ridiculous that the Louis CK video Larry posted was against TOS. There was nothing worse in that video than anything else we've discussed in TMI threads.
My personal theory is that the Louis CK video described sex between two men. Often gay sex is regarded as being more "vulgar" then straight sex.
For instance on TV, a show that often discusses hetero sex might have a TV-14 rating but if they talk about gay sex in one episode it'll be bumped to a TV-MA rating and have a little title card before hand as a warning.
Remember the episode of The Simpsons where gay marriage was legalized and Homer performed gay marriages and one of Marge's sisters revealed she was a lesbian and marrying a woman? That episode carried a higher rating and was proceeded by a warning of adult content. No other Simpsons episode has ever done that.
Homosexuality is more vulgar then heterosexuality per our society. And based a video that featured nothing different then what we often talk about (and language we often use), was removed I'm going to have to make the assumption that Larry's video was removed because TK agrees that homosexuality is more vulgar then heterosexuality.
I'm on vacation in Cancun, so i'm popping in and out. But, I think it's reasonable to assume and makes sense that kH and KR have duties they are required to perform on a daily/weekly basis for XO during normal business hours. Even though being an admin on here is their primary role, they don't have all day to sit on these boards due to meetings, working with tech, responding to other issues that may come up with the forum. However, at night, their time is their time. They can do what they need to do on the boards without having to worry about meetings and other XO things. I know I have a similar work pattern. I have responsibilities during the day to my employer, but I often work from home, at night, not getting paid, to catch up on items without interruption and that are of importance to me.
That being said, I recommend that everyone do as I am doing- sitting back with margarita in hand!
Just so y'all know, KnotRiley and knotholly aren't logged into the forums 24/7. They're paid employees who work a regular schedule. So they likely won't be back until tomorrow.
But they were able to ban Ashley on a Friday night before a holiday weekend.
Really? This is what you chose to get upset about? Of all the shit in this thread... People kept paging them, so I thought it would be helpful to let people know they aren't logged into the forums 24 hours a day.
And sorry, no. KR and KH don't check in with me every single time they decide to work late or flex their schedule of whatever the they decide to do. Do you want them to check in with you? With the community? To punch in and out on the Tech Board? Of course..that makes sense...
Do you want me to say the same thing everyone else said. I was just mentioning something that no one mentioned previously. I agree with previous posters as you will see from my likes.
I just find it convenient they were able to ban her at night and then drop her thread so it didn't get bumped up. But we have had problems with other posters spamming the board in the past and it's taken close to a week to get it straightened out.
I also find it ridiculous that the Louis CK video Larry posted was against TOS. There was nothing worse in that video than anything else we've discussed in TMI threads.
I can see how you think it's convenient.
However, I was relieved of my CC duties last Tuesday. So what, 10 days now? Before then they didn't have to worry about nights, weekends or holidays because I (in theory) was around.
I'm not at all surprised that the first week of them moderating CC they would be around more often then in the past. I'm expecting to see them around after hours a little more now they have taken over.
The thing is, they can't have it both ways. We can't accept that it's cool to ban someone late on a holiday Friday because "they probably work later now because CC has no night/weekend mod" and ALSO decline to respond here because "well after all they work 9-5."
The TOA PSA thread blew up during the day on Friday. I'm not at all surprised one of them was around to monitor the situation Friday night. It would have been unfair for them not to monitor a known hot thread. Especially since they just started that new job responsibility a few days earlier.
I do not know their internal reporting and/or alert system. I do not even know if they have work emails on their smartphones. Heck, I don't even know if they have a smartphone.
That said, with my job I can tell you I get certain alerts on my phone. I can log onto an app to monitor activity. However, just because I've responded to an alert doesn't mean I'm actually available for any and all questions. I've been eating dinner at a restaurant fixing something work related off hours, but not reading, let alone answering, other messages that are out there. I fix what needs to be fixed and I leave other stuff for my normal business hours.
They just started this last week. I'm sure it's going to take a little time to figure out how to add the new responsibilities into their work day while still doing the original ones.
What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests. Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated.
In regards to posting off-topic gifs, since we have not issued warnings for behavior like this in the past, we handled this case in the same way. Moving forward, we will be more clear about issuing warnings for posts that are meant to disrupt the normal discussion of a thread. We (admins and mods) try to be as consistent as possible with our warnings. If something is toeing the line, but hasn’t been warned for in the past, we will try our best to stay consistent and not warn for it. This is whywe want to create the guidelinesto make everything much clearer on what we will/will not be warning for. I can’t say these will be the only reasons we will have to warn people, but I think it will help to make everything much clearer.
So......Why was I warned for the gifs I posted in TOS PSA on Chitchat?
Anyway, in the spirit of "Good Times" I totally remember a snowflake who thought my sig was "attacking" her back on the PPD sticky we had on Etiquette.
It sounds like XO group needs more then just Holly and Riley running the show.
Since they are oh so busy and our paging is...obnoxious? Or we shouldn't expect a response? I'm not sure.
Also is XO group housed on the east coast? West coast? Cause I mean, 5pm for me is 8pm for them and I don't need a finger wagging about still paging them "after 5pm" when it's only 4pm my time. Not my fault they live on the east coast.
It sounds like XO group needs more then just Holly and Riley running the show.
Since they are oh so busy and our paging is...obnoxious? Or we shouldn't expect a response? I'm not sure.
Also is XO group housed on the east coast? West coast? Cause I mean, 5pm for me is 8pm for them and I don't need a finger wagging about still paging them "after 5pm" when it's only 4pm my time. Not my fault they live on the east coast.
East Coast. I've been there, and it's a glorious place. I probably wouldn't pay attention to forums either with their view.
It sounds like XO group needs more then just Holly and Riley running the show.
Since they are oh so busy and our paging is...obnoxious? Or we shouldn't expect a response? I'm not sure.
Also is XO group housed on the east coast? West coast? Cause I mean, 5pm for me is 8pm for them and I don't need a finger wagging about still paging them "after 5pm" when it's only 4pm my time. Not my fault they live on the east coast.
East Coast. I've been there, and it's a glorious place. I probably wouldn't pay attention to forums either with their view.
Ok, so assuming 9am-5pm as their standard operating hours, I should only page them between 6am-2pm.
Being on Pacific Time or AZ time sucks on occasion. I know a lot of my TV shows are spoiled because of it! There isn't much that can be done but move!
Well I mean, or expect mods not to finger wag at you for paging "after 5" when it's not "after 5" where you live because I expect even people on the east coast can figure out how the fuck a time zone works.
ETA: Yeah, uprooting my entire life and the life of my wife just because of time zones is a logical solution.
Being on Pacific Time or AZ time sucks on occasion. I know a lot of my TV shows are spoiled because of it! There isn't much that can be done but move!
Well I mean, or expect mods not to finger wag at you for paging "after 5" when it's not "after 5" where you live because I expect even people on the east coast can figure out how the fuck a time zone works.
I think everyone was just trying to point out that they generally work normal business hours. I know i posted earlier that they are usually off at 5 EST to clarify.
ETA: It was more like an FYI rather than a finger wag.
Being on Pacific Time or AZ time sucks on occasion. I know a lot of my TV shows are spoiled because of it! There isn't much that can be done but move!
Well I mean, or expect mods not to finger wag at you for paging "after 5" when it's not "after 5" where you live because I expect even people on the east coast can figure out how the fuck a time zone works.
ETA: Yeah, uprooting my entire life and the life of my wife just because of time zones is a logical solution.
I wasn't suggesting you actually move. I complain about the time diff a lot (I live like 30 min or so from you from what I can tell) so I can relate about it being inconvenient.
Being on Pacific Time or AZ time sucks on occasion. I know a lot of my TV shows are spoiled because of it! There isn't much that can be done but move!
Well I mean, or expect mods not to finger wag at you for paging "after 5" when it's not "after 5" where you live because I expect even people on the east coast can figure out how the fuck a time zone works.
ETA: Yeah, uprooting my entire life and the life of my wife just because of time zones is a logical solution.
Did a mod finger wag you? I posted and FYI so people knew they weren't here 24/7...are you referring to that as a finger wag or something else?
Well, I got my warning! Almost a full week later, and only because I (the one against whom the warning was warranted, and eventually issued) brought it to their attention. So yay? This discussion is having some kind of effect - although it doesn't really clear up my questions; I suspect if the disparity hadn't been brought up, I would still be warning-free. Which is a problem, given that my post was - clearly - just as warning-worthy as chibiyui's, and yet because it wasn't reported / went unnoticed, it didn't get warned.
I don't like that you're seemingly fine letting the mods catch all the flak here. The mods are members who volunteer their time. You guys, on the other hand, are paid employees of XO Group, and I'm assuming you're paid to make these forums usable and enjoyable. Right now, between the CONSTANT technical issues, the moderation fiasco that led to this thread (on the board YOU took over, I'll point out), and your reactions here to our questions with doublespeak and politicking, I'd say you're pretty well failing at it.
These are the questions I have. I don't think I'll get answers, but I want them out there anyway. Perhaps they will be taken into advisement when you consider rewriting the TOS.
- What, exactly, are the mods allowed to do outside of their home boards? Are they allowed to do anything outside of their home boards? If WandaJune comes into Etiquette and sees a violation that - for whatever reason - hasn't been reported by other users, what is she allowed to do? Ignore it and hope Liatris spots it? Notify Liatris of an issue? Issue a warning that can be appealed to Liatris? Issue a warning that can be appealed to y'all?
- What, exactly, is the warning appeal process? If I were considering appealing my shiny new warning, how long do I have (five minutes, one day, three days, one week) before my appeal period runs out? To start the appeal process, do I PM the mod that sent the warning? Do I have the opportunity to defend myself? Who "judges" my appeal? The mod/admin who issued the appeal? A panel of randomly-selected mods? The two admins? Which admin in the last scenario would have overrule power, in the event that Riley and Holly disagree?
- Who had input into the current TOS/TOU/EULA/whatever? Did we, as members and daily users, have input? Was it just TK's employees? Did the mods have input? Was it put to a discussion here? I seem to remember a TOS poll that was winding down when I started posting, but that was over a year ago.
- Who will have input into the rewritten TOS/TOU/EULA/whatever? Will we, as members and daily users? Will it be just TK's employees? Will the mods have input? Will it be put to a discussion here? Will it be another poll?
- What factors did you consider when you made the decision to give mods a separate board? Did you consider the need for privacy in warnings? Did you consider the possible repercussions that have arrived in an "us versus them" mindset, coming both from the moderators and the members? Did you consider possibly allowing the moderation boards to be read by members who are not mods?
- Why, when it's obvious someone has received a warning (I'm thinking along the lines of "Removed for TOS violation" banners being modded in), is it against TOS to post those warnings? And if posting a picture of the warning is against TOS, is it ALSO against TOS for me to say "Oh, I got warned by "NancyModerator" for posting a bunch of middle finger gifs in the TOS PSA thread."? Where is that line drawn? Why is that line there? It seems to me wholly arbitrary.
- How are the mods trained to use the various functions they are privileged enough to use? Moderation features have been misused in the past, whether accidentally or on purpose. What is TK admin staff doing to improve the mods' understanding of their powers and when it is / is not appropriate to use certain of those powers (jailing comes to mind)?
Like I said, I expect to get zero answers, or if I do, it'll be politicking and useless doublespeak. Or the mods will step in and try, because the admins are off doing whatever they've been wasting their time with as the forum languished with consistently fucked quote boxes, log-in code, and whatthefuckever else is screwing up today.
Re: Updated TOS Rumors
No hard feelings against that mod. I get it, it is a black-and-white clearcut slur. I just thought it was a great example of inconsistency.
ETA: since I can't post proof that I'm not a liar, can I report photokitty for vaguely maybe calling me one? It hurt my feels. I am certain the comment that people are making up warnings was directed at me.
That being said, I recommend that everyone do as I am doing- sitting back with margarita in hand!
I wasn't suggesting you actually move. I complain about the time diff a lot (I live like 30 min or so from you from what I can tell) so I can relate about it being inconvenient.
Did a mod finger wag you? I posted and FYI so people knew they weren't here 24/7...are you referring to that as a finger wag or something else?