PPDs

CMGragain · September 2015

Reasons for getting married: You want to form a legal bond between you. You want insurance and medical benefits that are available to married couples. You want military housing available only to married couples. You want to have a family together, and marriage helps secure legal rights for children.

Reasons for being married in a courthouse: You want to be legally married to each other.

Reasons for being married elsewhere, with family and friends: You want to be legally married to each other, and you want to share this moment with your loved ones.

Reasons for getting married in the courthouse, and having a re-enactment (PPD) later:

You want the attention associated with a wedding.
You want to wear the white dress and have everyone admire you.
You want a huge party with you as the center of attention.
You want gifts.
You regret your real wedding, and you want a do-over.
You think you "deserve" all of the above.

UGH!

[Deleted User] · September 2015

ibarfburlapandlace said:
A PPD happens because the couple wants to benefit from a legal marriage right away. How hard is it to be an adult and wait to do it the way you really want?
On another note: I remember watching the royal wedding. They signed the marriage certificate in the wedding ceremony. I'm actually thinking about doing that. Maybe I will start the trend.

We are doing this at our ceremony next month.

alexandducky412 · September 2015

I may end up having one because my family wanted to be there and we wanted a ceremony, but its time for his reenlistment paperwork to go in and it goes into their consideration of where to send him when they issue orders, so they suggested we get married before he starts his package or they may separate us until my paperwork goes in a few years down the line.

But I don't know how I feel about it. I'm not lying to my family about being married or any ratchetry like that, our original plans just may result in us getting screwed. So I'm on the fence.

alexandducky412 · September 2015

We're probably just gonna end up doing a tiny thing with immediate family and then including my family in our first anniversary because everyone but my mom, an aunt and a cousin are considering that I don't really want to have a PPD.

lovesclimbing · September 2015

TNDancer said:

Maggie0829 said:

H and I didn't have to sign our license, only our officiant (who was a close friend) had to. And since we forgot the license on our wedding day, our friend signed it about a week later once we got back from our honeymoon.

It's the same here. I had asked our officiant the flow of the day, and he said we didn't sign at all. I guess our signatures when applying for the license are engouhg?

--------preemptive---------

Ditto in Alaska. You sign when you get it, but that doesn't make you married. There has to be some sort of "solemnization" (a ceremony) by an officiant, and the witnesses have to sign it after witnessing the ceremony along with the officiant.

Witnesses signed it and H and I fake signed it right after the receiving line before entering the reception.

And there is no reason to have a PPD for military couples. A friend of mine got engaged to her Army boyfriend and planned her wedding in three weeks. Yes, she wore a long white dress. Yes, they had a bridal party (a MOH and BM). Yes, they had a reception. Yes, they had cake (actually cupcakes.) Yes, they had gorgeous wedding photos by a professional photographer.

hellohkb · September 2015

I am fine with PPDs as long as everyone is honest about it.

huskypuppy14 · September 2015

PPD are not just parties. Like people said above, have a party whenever you want for whatever reason, but it's not a wedding. Most people like parties, and have no problem with a party to celebrate your marriage. It's when you are already married and then want a bridal shower, bridesmaids, a reenactment ceremony and a poofy wedding dress where you're going to get sideyed. You're not a bride, you're a wife. If your legal wedding ceremony was important enough for you to do it, than you accept that choice and don't get to do a redo.

artbyallie · September 2015

lovesclimbing said:

Maggie0829 said:
H and I didn't have to sign our license, only our officiant (who was a close friend) had to. And since we forgot the license on our wedding day, our friend signed it about a week later once we got back from our honeymoon.

It's the same here. I had asked our officiant the flow of the day, and he said we didn't sign at all. I guess our signatures when applying for the license are engouhg?
--------preemptive--------- Ditto in Alaska. You sign when you get it, but that doesn't make you married. There has to be some sort of "solemnization" (a ceremony) by an officiant, and the witnesses have to sign it after witnessing the ceremony along with the officiant. Witnesses signed it and H and I fake signed it right after the receiving line before entering the reception. And there is no reason to have a PPD for military couples. A friend of mine got engaged to her Army boyfriend and planned her wedding in three weeks. Yes, she wore a long white dress. Yes, they had a bridal party (a MOH and BM). Yes, they had a reception. Yes, they had cake (actually cupcakes.) Yes, they had gorgeous wedding photos by a professional photographer.

Agreed. SIL married a guy in the AF, and planned her wedding just inside a month. Outdoors at a lake, ivory wedding gown, tuxes on the groomsmen, BBQ reception, tiered cake, photog and DJ. The whole nine yards.

mileybangerz · September 2015

Who the fuck cares?!?!?

CMGragain · September 2015

mileybangerz said:

Who the fuck cares?!?!?

Lots of people care.

drunkenwitch · September 2015

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I want to be "princess for a day" that's easy. I will throw a royal themed party, slap on a gown and a tiara and ask people to call me your highness while I ply them with food and drink. All my friends love a theme party and a chance to dress in costume so they would find the idea hilarious.

Oh wait, I have done that.

hellohkb · September 2015

This one girl on my fb had a secret PPD (she told me they secretly got married) yesterday and put a life event that they got married yesterday. Party does not equal marriage!

Even worse, it was an unplugged wedding and she told me she was making everyone put away their phones and cameras to "be in the moment". She also told me that just to be a bitch she thought about having the bridal party take selfies with THEIR phones "because ha ha hilarious!".

artbyallie · September 2015

drunkenwitch said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I want to be "princess for a day" that's easy. I will throw a royal themed party, slap on a gown and a tiara and ask people to call me your highness while I ply them with food and drink. All my friends love a theme party and a chance to dress in costume so they would find the idea hilarious. Oh wait, I have done that.

Invite me to the next one, please!

loro929 · September 2015

Pupatella said:

novella1186 said:

CharmedPam said:

Kahlyla said:
We do the signing at the immediate conclusion of the ceremony here in Canada as well.

That's what i thought too. I've been too 2 Canadian weddings, and since I was MOH, I signed, as the witness, right after.
With my sister, I was in the party - but I can't even remember when she signed.

Without changing this topic....when *DO* you sign? LOL. I don't go to a lot of weddings.

When I was in my friend's wedding, she signed right before the ceremony started and then they took it to the other room so her almost-H could sign (they weren't seeing each other before the wedding so they didn't sign together).

For our wedding, H and I signed immediately after the ceremony. Now I'm kind of wishing we had done it during the ceremony just because why not? It's super important so why do it in private when everyone is there to witness you get married?

ibarfburlapandlace. I'm all about starting a new trend!! I now want to sign it during our ceremony too. I mean, that's what it's all about!!

We wrote our own ceremony and wanted to include the signing of the certificates also. When we sent our draft of the ceremony to the officiant (including this element of the ceremont), he strongly recommended against it because in New Jersey two witnesses as well as the officiant have to sign 4 separate copies of the document - addresses, names, everything. He said that because of the amount of information that needed to be included it would be better to sign everything directly after the ceremony. Looking back, now-DH and I really wanted to include it, but in the end we decided to rely on the experience of the officiant (he is the mayor of the town that I grew up in and has done 1000s of weddings) and it was a great decision. When we went with the witnesses and officiant to sign everything it took a good 10 minutes to make sure everything was properly filled out.

JediElizabeth · September 2015

loro929 said:

We wrote our own ceremony and wanted to include the signing of the certificates also. When we sent our draft of the ceremony to the officiant (including this element of the ceremont), he strongly recommended against it because in New Jersey two witnesses as well as the officiant have to sign 4 separate copies of the document - addresses, names, everything. He said that because of the amount of information that needed to be included it would be better to sign everything directly after the ceremony. Looking back, now-DH and I really wanted to include it, but in the end we decided to rely on the experience of the officiant (he is the mayor of the town that I grew up in and has done 1000s of weddings) and it was a great decision. When we went with the witnesses and officiant to sign everything it took a good 10 minutes to make sure everything was properly filled out.

Thank you for adding this! We're getting married in NJ, and I was just starting to think about adding this into our ceremony....if I had found this out after eventually drafting a ceremony, I would have been so disappointed to make the change!

Pupatella · September 2015

loro929 said:
We wrote our own ceremony and wanted to include the signing of the certificates also. When we sent our draft of the ceremony to the officiant (including this element of the ceremont), he strongly recommended against it because in New Jersey two witnesses as well as the officiant have to sign 4 separate copies of the document - addresses, names, everything. He said that because of the amount of information that needed to be included it would be better to sign everything directly after the ceremony. Looking back, now-DH and I really wanted to include it, but in the end we decided to rely on the experience of the officiant (he is the mayor of the town that I grew up in and has done 1000s of weddings) and it was a great decision. When we went with the witnesses and officiant to sign everything it took a good 10 minutes to make sure everything was properly filled out.

Thanks for this information as this is really good to know (I'm not in NJ, but this is something to think about before adding it to the ceremony)!! I talked to FI about adding the signing of our certificate into our ceremony, and he wasn't crazy about it. So looks like we are not going to be doing the signing during our ceremony. I do want our photographer to take a shot of us with our signed marriage certificate though. So we have come to a compromise.

Cookie Pusher · September 2015

loro929 said:

Pupatella said:

novella1186 said:

CharmedPam said:

Kahlyla said:
We do the signing at the immediate conclusion of the ceremony here in Canada as well.

That's what i thought too. I've been too 2 Canadian weddings, and since I was MOH, I signed, as the witness, right after.
With my sister, I was in the party - but I can't even remember when she signed.

Without changing this topic....when *DO* you sign? LOL. I don't go to a lot of weddings.

When I was in my friend's wedding, she signed right before the ceremony started and then they took it to the other room so her almost-H could sign (they weren't seeing each other before the wedding so they didn't sign together).

For our wedding, H and I signed immediately after the ceremony. Now I'm kind of wishing we had done it during the ceremony just because why not? It's super important so why do it in private when everyone is there to witness you get married?

ibarfburlapandlace. I'm all about starting a new trend!! I now want to sign it during our ceremony too. I mean, that's what it's all about!!

We wrote our own ceremony and wanted to include the signing of the certificates also. When we sent our draft of the ceremony to the officiant (including this element of the ceremont), he strongly recommended against it because in New Jersey two witnesses as well as the officiant have to sign 4 separate copies of the document - addresses, names, everything. He said that because of the amount of information that needed to be included it would be better to sign everything directly after the ceremony. Looking back, now-DH and I really wanted to include it, but in the end we decided to rely on the experience of the officiant (he is the mayor of the town that I grew up in and has done 1000s of weddings) and it was a great decision. When we went with the witnesses and officiant to sign everything it took a good 10 minutes to make sure everything was properly filled out.

Yep, this. To make sure we didn't run over time taking pictures, we actually ended up having our witnesses sign our license during the reception. People would have been bored stiff if we tried doing it during the ceremony.

snowywinter · September 2015

anjemon said:

As many PP's have said, usually when people have a PPD they are lying about it. That is what bothers a lot of people. Being lied to sucks.

The other thing that gets me is a PPD really shows where a couple's priorities are. There are not very many good reasons to get married legally and then throw yourself a party later. PP's who have spoken about people getting deported if not married is a good reason. But insurance reasons, medical benefits, the military moving both of you together (if only one of you is in the service) - these are all things that will just save you money. So you are valuing saving money over all of your friend and family being there for a special event.

Um, yeah. If I get diagnosed with an illness that could devastate me financially and getting married for medical benefits is one way to deal with it, guess what -- I'm saying I do. There comes a time when you have to decide what you need to do for YOU and I'm actually offended that it's termed as "valuing saving money over friends and family." It's not about value in some cases. It's about CRIPPLING debt.

snowywinter · September 2015

ShesSoCold said:

CElizabeth419 said:

anjemon said:

As many PP's have said, usually when people have a PPD they are lying about it. That is what bothers a lot of people. Being lied to sucks.

The other thing that gets me is a PPD really shows where a couple's priorities are. There are not very many good reasons to get married legally and then throw yourself a party later. PP's who have spoken about people getting deported if not married is a good reason. But insurance reasons, medical benefits, the military moving both of you together (if only one of you is in the service) - these are all things that will just save you money. So you are valuing saving money over all of your friend and family being there for a special event.

TBH, I think even these financial things are open to debate, as long as the couple is honest. If one has a medical condition so bad that they need medical benefits ASAP or be forced to pay thousands of dollars for medical help, not only do I think that's appropriate, but they deserve a reception/PPD later to celebrate their marriage and getting through the medical turmoil. (For example, I've had a lot of cancer in my family in the past few years, and that kind of diagnosis can destroy a life just because of the financial burden in the US, never mind the health/quality of life implications.)

As long as someone's honest about it and not doing it just as an AW or gift grabby moment, I'd probably support a PPD. Then again, I'll just about always support an excuse to party.

BOXXXXXXXXX----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

See I think the bolded is total horseshit. Like PPs said, no one deserves anything besides the basics. Having a fake ass "wedding" when you're already married is (IMHO) stupid. Period.

The only time I have not side-eyed a PPD is when the couple could not legally get married. A friend of mine had a wedding ceremony before her state recognized gay marriages. When her state approved it, her and her spouse went to the courthouse with a friend and got legally married. No big to-do. I was 100% supportive of that.

Edited to add a box.

They deserve the right to choose to have a party to celebrate their union. It is then YOUR right to decide whether or not to attend.

huskypuppy14 · September 2015

snowywinter said:

ShesSoCold said:

CElizabeth419 said:

anjemon said:

As many PP's have said, usually when people have a PPD they are lying about it. That is what bothers a lot of people. Being lied to sucks.

The other thing that gets me is a PPD really shows where a couple's priorities are. There are not very many good reasons to get married legally and then throw yourself a party later. PP's who have spoken about people getting deported if not married is a good reason. But insurance reasons, medical benefits, the military moving both of you together (if only one of you is in the service) - these are all things that will just save you money. So you are valuing saving money over all of your friend and family being there for a special event.

TBH, I think even these financial things are open to debate, as long as the couple is honest. If one has a medical condition so bad that they need medical benefits ASAP or be forced to pay thousands of dollars for medical help, not only do I think that's appropriate, but they deserve a reception/PPD later to celebrate their marriage and getting through the medical turmoil. (For example, I've had a lot of cancer in my family in the past few years, and that kind of diagnosis can destroy a life just because of the financial burden in the US, never mind the health/quality of life implications.)

As long as someone's honest about it and not doing it just as an AW or gift grabby moment, I'd probably support a PPD. Then again, I'll just about always support an excuse to party.

BOXXXXXXXXX----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

See I think the bolded is total horseshit. Like PPs said, no one deserves anything besides the basics. Having a fake ass "wedding" when you're already married is (IMHO) stupid. Period.

The only time I have not side-eyed a PPD is when the couple could not legally get married. A friend of mine had a wedding ceremony before her state recognized gay marriages. When her state approved it, her and her spouse went to the courthouse with a friend and got legally married. No big to-do. I was 100% supportive of that.

Edited to add a box.

They deserve the right to choose to have a party to celebrate their union. It is then YOUR right to decide whether or not to attend.

STUPID Fing BOX+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A party is fine. Like everyone has been saying, it's not the party that's the issue. It's the lying, pretending not to be married, and having a fake ceremony. Nothing is wrong with ever having a party, but it's not your wedding reception.

randomslove · September 2015

The problem with PPDs in the military is that it's fraud. If you get married for benefits, it's a contract marriage whether or not you intend on "marrying" that person later, even if you tell everyone that's what you're doing. There was an-ex Army MP who skulked around here for a while who also tried telling people this. Just because people are rarely charged doesn't make it any less fraudulent, and doesn't mean it is impossible to get in trouble for it.

The "s/he is getting stationed somewhere and I am getting stationed elsewhere/want to be on his/her orders thing (to cover both dual-military and military-civilian relationships), so we have to get courthouse married right now" is also BS. You don't have to anything. There are options. Many people organize quick small weddings that are still legitimate and beautiful (if a courthouse wedding just will not satisfy this generic you). Also, several people have survived long-distance relationships. It happens. In fact, in the military, you must be willing to accept that any relationship you have may be long-distance at some point. Our deployments are usually seven months to a year. If you can't handle that long away from your significant other, don't join and/or don't get involved with anyone who is in.

The medical insurance thing: see first paragraph. Still fraudulent. I understand insurance is expensive and it sucks not to have it. I didn't have it most of my childhood and none of my adulthood until I joined. Our healthcare system for those of us in the States sucks. However, that should not be your reason for getting married. After all, you (generic you) most likely had this issue before meeting the service member... If that is your reason for having a PPD, I kind of question the integrity of your relationship.

Lastly: money. I hate this reason. If you are marrying someone to get more money, you are wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. "We are getting married so we can afford to the real wedding later." Oh, so the tax payers should pay for you to have a wedding? You are seriously that entitled? No. No, no. "Well, I/he/she don't/doesn't have enough money to get a place off base without BAH, so we are getting married so we can live together." No. Yes, you really do. I've lived off base as an unmarried E-4, with my unmarried FI. It's called a budget. If you don't want to rent a room in someone's house (there are always those available), then both of you need to work, like responsible adults. So, no. No.

I have yet to see a PPD in the military that I agreed with in any way, shape, and form. I was in for four years, seven months, and two days. My FI says that same; he's been in more than eight years.

I am pretty much against PPDs in general. I know there are exceptions to every rule and I'm not saying there isn't a situation wherein I would be fine with a PPD. However, in the military and in 99.99 percent of all situations I've seen, I don't agree with them.

emmaaa · September 2015

artbyallie said:

lovesclimbing said:

Maggie0829 said:
H and I didn't have to sign our license, only our officiant (who was a close friend) had to. And since we forgot the license on our wedding day, our friend signed it about a week later once we got back from our honeymoon.

It's the same here. I had asked our officiant the flow of the day, and he said we didn't sign at all. I guess our signatures when applying for the license are engouhg?
--------preemptive--------- Ditto in Alaska. You sign when you get it, but that doesn't make you married. There has to be some sort of "solemnization" (a ceremony) by an officiant, and the witnesses have to sign it after witnessing the ceremony along with the officiant. Witnesses signed it and H and I fake signed it right after the receiving line before entering the reception. And there is no reason to have a PPD for military couples. A friend of mine got engaged to her Army boyfriend and planned her wedding in three weeks. Yes, she wore a long white dress. Yes, they had a bridal party (a MOH and BM). Yes, they had a reception. Yes, they had cake (actually cupcakes.) Yes, they had gorgeous wedding photos by a professional photographer.

Agreed. SIL married a guy in the AF, and planned her wedding just inside a month. Outdoors at a lake, ivory wedding gown, tuxes on the groomsmen, BBQ reception, tiered cake, photog and DJ. The whole nine yards.

Yep. My brother and SIL got married after being engaged for one week. They had a lovely park wedding and reception in Savannah with a MOH, BM, BM, and GM. Immediate family and close friends were in attendance. They had a cake and champagne/punch reception. They had a celebration a few months later on my dad's farm. It was a pig pickin', no white dress, no ceremony, music played, beer all around. It is possible.

anjemon · September 2015

Pupatella said:

loro929 said:
We wrote our own ceremony and wanted to include the signing of the certificates also. When we sent our draft of the ceremony to the officiant (including this element of the ceremont), he strongly recommended against it because in New Jersey two witnesses as well as the officiant have to sign 4 separate copies of the document - addresses, names, everything. He said that because of the amount of information that needed to be included it would be better to sign everything directly after the ceremony. Looking back, now-DH and I really wanted to include it, but in the end we decided to rely on the experience of the officiant (he is the mayor of the town that I grew up in and has done 1000s of weddings) and it was a great decision. When we went with the witnesses and officiant to sign everything it took a good 10 minutes to make sure everything was properly filled out.

Thanks for this information as this is really good to know (I'm not in NJ, but this is something to think about before adding it to the ceremony)!! I talked to FI about adding the signing of our certificate into our ceremony, and he wasn't crazy about it. So looks like we are not going to be doing the signing during our ceremony. I do want our photographer to take a shot of us with our signed marriage certificate though. So we have come to a compromise.

Our photographer did this without me actually asking for it. After the ceremony our officiant, witnesses, H and I went upstairs and signed the certificate. It did take a little bit because MN also requires a few copies of the certificate (and I apparently have a terrible time remembering how to sign my full middle name). We have pictures of everyone signing and although I'm probably the only person who will ever care, they're nice and a non-posed part of the day.

And since I know PP's have mentioned it, MN or my officiant required a few copies signed with a bunch of people's names and information. I filled it out for our officiant (who was my aunt) before the ceremony because my penmanship is nice looking. We all signed afterwards, but we filled out all the print information beforehand.

reebsreebs · September 2015

I got married in a state that did not have marriage equality at the time when marriage equality was heating up as an issue. I am also a religious person (as is my husband) in a minority religion. It was very important to us to see our legal ceremony and our religious ceremonies as very separate things. One made us married in the eyes of our government, the other in the eyes of our religious community. We got legally married in a jurisdiction that did have marriage equality (even though as a hetero couple we could have been married in our home town) and had our religious ceremony in our home community.

We didn't lie to anyone about it at any time. Our program for our religious ceremony even said we'd been legally married a few months before in another jurisdiction. We had the marriage commissioner and two witnesses as the only folks in attendance for the legal one. The religious one was 150 of our closest friends and family. I don't regret it at all, and would do the same thing again if I was in the same situation (now that the whole US has marriage equality, it is less of an issue.).

Believing in the separation of church and state and the importance of both legal and religious marriage led me to have two separate ceremonies, each in the way (timing and attendance) that suited us best as a couple. Both were highly meaningful, and neither was an imitation or "fake" of the other.

MissKittyDanger · September 2015

Funny this board shows up. I just got married {obv ...} and a bunch of us were talking weddings recently.

One friend wants basically a PPD! One of my best friends is going to be her MOH, and honestly I'm terrified for her. I expect this girl to wind up being Bridezilla {we all do ...} because she wants the fairy tale wedding and the big poofy Cinderella dress. We're not fearing what she wants, but what happens if she doesn't get what she wants? Her expectations are very high for the budget she has.

Are most brides who want the PPD a bridezilla??

PrettyGirlLost · September 2015

I guess no one has readhttp://forums.theknot.com/discussion/1036614/legally-married-now-having-a-real-wedding-stop-here-first-aka-the-ppd-faq-thread#latest

It sums up all the reasons many ppl are not on Team You Do You.

PrettyGirlLost · September 2015

anjemon said:

As many PP's have said, usually when people have a PPD they are lying about it. That is what bothers a lot of people. Being lied to sucks.

The other thing that gets me is a PPD really shows where a couple's priorities are. There are not very many good reasons to get married legally and then throw yourself a party later. PP's who have spoken about people getting deported if not married is a good reason. But insurance reasons, medical benefits, the military moving both of you together (if only one of you is in the service) - these are all things that will just save you money. So you are valuing saving money over all of your friend and family being there for a special event.

Um, yeah. If I get diagnosed with an illness that could devastate me financially and getting married for medical benefits is one way to deal with it, guess what -- I'm saying I do. There comes a time when you have to decide what you need to do for YOU and I'm actually offended that it's termed as "valuing saving money over friends and family." It's not about value in some cases. It's about CRIPPLING debt.

So get married, no one is saying you shouldn't. But don't then be gauche and have a "real wedding" later.

ETA: I think quite a few people are confusing basic human rights which we as a society of caring human beings have decided everyone is "entitled" to with things that are cool and fun that we may want, but are not actually ever entitled to; Clean water and food, shelter, education, personal freedom from slavery, etc. those are all things other human beings are entitled to. A glorified party and being able to flounce around at it in a floofy dress, yeah no, not something anyone is actually entitled to, no matter what their life circumstances are.

ShesSoCold · September 2015

PrettyGirlLost said:

anjemon said:

As many PP's have said, usually when people have a PPD they are lying about it. That is what bothers a lot of people. Being lied to sucks.

The other thing that gets me is a PPD really shows where a couple's priorities are. There are not very many good reasons to get married legally and then throw yourself a party later. PP's who have spoken about people getting deported if not married is a good reason. But insurance reasons, medical benefits, the military moving both of you together (if only one of you is in the service) - these are all things that will just save you money. So you are valuing saving money over all of your friend and family being there for a special event.

Um, yeah. If I get diagnosed with an illness that could devastate me financially and getting married for medical benefits is one way to deal with it, guess what -- I'm saying I do. There comes a time when you have to decide what you need to do for YOU and I'm actually offended that it's termed as "valuing saving money over friends and family." It's not about value in some cases. It's about CRIPPLING debt.
So get married, no one is saying you shouldn't. But don't then be gauche and have a "real wedding" later.

ETA: I think quite a few people are confusing basic human rights which we as a society of caring human beings have decided everyone is "entitled" to with things that are cool and fun that we may want, but are not actually ever entitled to; Clean water and food, shelter, education, personal freedom from slavery, etc. those are all things other human beings are entitled to. A glorified party and being able to flounce around at it in a floofy dress, yeah no, not something anyone is actually entitled to, no matter what their life circumstances are.

Make sure to add "not be sniffed by dogs" to that.

AJC430 · September 2015

Sorry, if someone mentioned this already - but what the hell is a PPD?

justsie · September 2015

AJC430 said:

Sorry, if someone mentioned this already - but what the hell is a PPD?

Pretty Princess Day. It means someone just wants to get dressed up and do a big show that looks like a wedding but isn't because they are already married, often deceiving their loved ones of this.

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