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  • cowgirl8238cowgirl8238 member
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    kvruns said:
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    I can't even begin to put into words how all of this is making me feel.  It wasn't so much Trump winning that upset me, but that the GOP swept everything on the Federal Level and many of the seats here on the State and Local levels too...


    Just curious on others' opinions here, but would you (general "you") feel the same if the DNC had swept all of the federal offices? Or is it the fact that it is a republican majority that is the problem? 


    For me I would be concerned with a sweep for either side.   I feel like having at least one part of the equation (house/senate/president) representing a different party there is less of a chance of a "steamroller effect" and more compromising and working together on bi-partisan laws.

    However, I do feel more on edge with the GOP because I feel that their views are more contradictory to my own...although I am more in the middle (like most people).  I think this election specifically hits hard because of the vacancy on the supreme court (and the potential for others is always there).  Overall I can respect different points of view but I just don't agree with some of their fundamental ideals.

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    kvruns said:
    cowgirl8238 said:

    I can't even begin to put into words how all of this is making me feel.  It wasn't so much Trump winning that upset me, but that the GOP swept everything on the Federal Level and many of the seats here on the State and Local levels too...


    Just curious on others' opinions here, but would you (general "you") feel the same if the DNC had swept all of the federal offices? Or is it the fact that it is a republican majority that is the problem? 

    That's always a tough question for me.  I lean more liberal and would selfishly love Dem Executive AND Legislative branches.  But my sense of fairness doesn't allow me to root for that.  Because it can be 2-4 years of one party running roughshod over the other.

    Sure, a lot more bills would get passed and policies put into place, but then almost half the country would feel left behind and like their voices aren't being heard.  I don't want that, even for people who disagree with my political views.

    And back to the present.  Now I'm the one about to be left behind and be run roughshod over.

    I would have been a lot more comfortable with Trump winning if I knew there was a Dem Congress to keep him in check.

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    Hmmm. Annoyed by smug democratic voters or sickened by President Trump. I guess I'd rather handle a smug bastard at the office than someone in power who sickens me, but she's happy with her vote so I guess she can't be that bothered. 
    No one thought she'd actually lose democratic strongholds like Michigan and Wisconsin. Even Pennsylvania is a big surprise. These aren't typically swing states. My speculation is that third party voters didn't expect her to lose so they could protest vote and not have to worry about a Trump victory. We won't know until we get all the polling data in but I have a hunch that's part of it. 
    with all due respect, i'm calling this bullshit - this assumes that the 3rd party voters would have supported Clinton over Trump if only given those 2 options. If you remove their votes from the equation completely, Trump would still win. 
    Yes, but if their votes would have went to Clinton, she would have won Florida, Arizona and Pennsylvania and today would be a different ballgame.
    But that's the point - their votes didn't go to Clinton or Trump.

    You're assuming that 100% of their votes would have gone to Clinton, where they just as easily could have gone to Trump - giving him an even wider margin.
    Those people may have chosen not to vote at all, given only the options of Clinton or Trump

    3rd party candidates don't "take votes away" from your candidate - if people wanted to vote for your candidate, they would have voted for that candidate. 
    Okay, but we're seeing exit poll interviews suggesting that many third-party voters assumed a Clinton victory and that was a factor (not the only one) in their decision. Yes, they don't "take votes away" because candidates aren't owed or entitled to votes, but there is early evidence suggesting many third-party voters acted the way they did under the assumption there would not be a Trump presidency. It's a risk they took. 

    And I definitely don't want to imply that all third-party voters voted in this way. But it's also not clear these are voters that would have gone Trump. 
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    kimmiinthemitten said:
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    charlotte989875 said:

    glasgowtolondon said:
    Hmmm. Annoyed by smug democratic voters or sickened by President Trump. I guess I'd rather handle a smug bastard at the office than someone in power who sickens me, but she's happy with her vote so I guess she can't be that bothered. 
    No one thought she'd actually lose democratic strongholds like Michigan and Wisconsin. Even Pennsylvania is a big surprise. These aren't typically swing states. My speculation is that third party voters didn't expect her to lose so they could protest vote and not have to worry about a Trump victory. We won't know until we get all the polling data in but I have a hunch that's part of it. 
    with all due respect, i'm calling this bullshit - this assumes that the 3rd party voters would have supported Clinton over Trump if only given those 2 options. If you remove their votes from the equation completely, Trump would still win. 
    Yes, but if their votes would have went to Clinton, she would have won Florida, Arizona and Pennsylvania and today would be a different ballgame.
    But that's the point - their votes didn't go to Clinton or Trump.

    You're assuming that 100% of their votes would have gone to Clinton, where they just as easily could have gone to Trump - giving him an even wider margin.
    Those people may have chosen not to vote at all, given only the options of Clinton or Trump

    3rd party candidates don't "take votes away" from your candidate - if people wanted to vote for your candidate, they would have voted for that candidate. 
    All very true, and I don't think we'll ever actually know.  However, I was basing it more on the higher percentage of votes that Johnson and Stein received this year compared to 2012.  

    In Florida, 44,000 people voted third party in 2012 and almost 275,000 people voted third party yesterday.  Most likely scenario is that the difference between the two (220kish votes) would have likely voted for a main stream candidate in a different election.
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    Paul Ryan just said "and now Donald Trump will run a unified Republican party."  
    Until he gets everyone together to boot you from your Speaker role in retaliation.
    At least he spoke out against Trump.  It moved my level of respect for him from the negative to neutral. 
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    kvruns said:
    cowgirl8238 said:

    I can't even begin to put into words how all of this is making me feel.  It wasn't so much Trump winning that upset me, but that the GOP swept everything on the Federal Level and many of the seats here on the State and Local levels too...


    Just curious on others' opinions here, but would you (general "you") feel the same if the DNC had swept all of the federal offices? Or is it the fact that it is a republican majority that is the problem? 
    I've gotta be honest...I would be 100% on board with a pure blue outcome across the board.  I deeply believe that progressive causes are empirically more correct than conservative ones.  I believe in full equal access for women, people of color, religious minorities, GLBT individuals, and, well, everyone.  I believe that we as a society should not allow people to sicken and die because they can't afford healthcare.  I believe that herding our citizens, particularly people of color, into (often for-profit) prisons for minor offences is a moral failing.  I believe that all our workers, from ditch-diggers to Fortune 500 CEOs deserve the dignity of a living wage for their labor.

    I would prefer to appeal to the decency that I do believe exists in the hearts of those on the other side of the aisle.  But in the absence of that, I would absolutely just stuff it down their throats if I had the power to do so.  Maybe it is just idealism, but I have to believe that most conservatives are just scared of moving away from familiar territory rather than actively invested in harming others.  If they were able to see universal healthcare in effect, for example, and actually see that it is capable of both saving lives and saving money, then I think the fear could dissipate and we could all be happy with the results.
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    Be well @OurWildKingdom

    I appreciate all of the Canadian tips and the open arms, but can't help thinking for some of those who Trump and his supporters hate so much, even moving to a new neighborhood is out of reach, let alone a new country.  Sad times.

    I thought things were awful under Dubya, and I'm horrified with what's to come in the next four (eight?) years  :s
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    @mrsconn23 when that happened FI said I can't believe I found a politician to make Paul Ryan look good!

     We invited the Clintons to the wedding; maybe she'll come now that she has time haha. They do actually know people in FI's family!

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    if they do, I hope she wears a pant suit <3
    I hope she wears the one she's wearing right now.  Loving those purple lapels!


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    kimmiinthemitten said:
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    @mrsconn23 when that happened FI said I can't believe I found a politician to make Paul Ryan look good!

     We invited the Clintons to the wedding; maybe she'll come now that she has time haha. They do actually know people in FI's family!

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    if they do, I hope she wears a pant suit <3
    I hope she wears the one she's wearing right now.  Loving those purple lapels!


    Bill's tie matches great too! I love that they coordinate :)
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    mrsconn23 said:
    I love that HRC is toying with the press regarding the timing of her statement.  They're all waiting with bated breath.

    Good for her.  She doesn't owe them shit. 

    http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501425243/watch-live-hillary-clinton-concedes-presidential-race-to-donald-trump

    ETA: poor John Podesta looks like he just swallowed a piece of broken glass.

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  • NOLABridesmaidNOLABridesmaid member
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    In the words of my favorite old lady, "We just have to stay prayed up."

    Yes, it sucks, but are we really surprised. A certain group of people decided to swing to the other extreme because of eight years with our first Black President. Could they have hated him any more, than they do? To quote the same old person, "they can show us better than they can tell us," and that's what they did last night.

    Sad thing; I'm not sure if they realized who they really picked. Last time I checked many of the working class that voted for him signed up for some Obama Care too.

    Time will tell.

    Forgot to add. We survived Reagan, Daddy Bush and Little Bush. We will survive this too.

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    kvruns said:
    cowgirl8238 said:

    I can't even begin to put into words how all of this is making me feel.  It wasn't so much Trump winning that upset me, but that the GOP swept everything on the Federal Level and many of the seats here on the State and Local levels too...


    Just curious on others' opinions here, but would you (general "you") feel the same if the DNC had swept all of the federal offices? Or is it the fact that it is a republican majority that is the problem? 
    I've gotta be honest...I would be 100% on board with a pure blue outcome across the board.  I deeply believe that progressive causes are empirically more correct than conservative ones.  I believe in full equal access for women, people of color, religious minorities, GLBT individuals, and, well, everyone.  I believe that we as a society should not allow people to sicken and die because they can't afford healthcare.  I believe that herding our citizens, particularly people of color, into (often for-profit) prisons for minor offences is a moral failing.  I believe that all our workers, from ditch-diggers to Fortune 500 CEOs deserve the dignity of a living wage for their labor.

    I would prefer to appeal to the decency that I do believe exists in the hearts of those on the other side of the aisle.  But in the absence of that, I would absolutely just stuff it down their throats if I had the power to do so.  Maybe it is just idealism, but I have to believe that most conservatives are just scared of moving away from familiar territory rather than actively invested in harming others.  If they were able to see universal healthcare in effect, for example, and actually see that it is capable of both saving lives and saving money, then I think the fear could dissipate and we could all be happy with the results.

    We are a country born from revolution.  Now we are part of the "establishment".  And wield a mighty heavy club against anyone who bucks the status quo.  The irony is not lost on me.

    On that subject, my H this morning:

    H:  We should go back to a monarchy.

    Me (confused):  Really?

    H:  Yeah, definitely!  Oh, but only if I am appointed King.

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    kvruns said:
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    I'm sad and angry.  I could throw things. I was always #nevertrump.  

    The house and the senate are also taken over by repubs. Every major contest in my state went red.  And my friend lost her school board race.  

    I was very surprised by a couple of our races. I thought Gregg had been steadily leading in the polls so I was surprised he lost, though maybe I hadn't paid enough attention. And then I figured Bayh would win by name recognition more than anything, although I suspect in some cases it may have been more about which party would have control in congress as opposed to a specific candidate
    I thought the same thing.
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    SaintPaulGal said:
    kvruns said:
    cowgirl8238 said:

    I can't even begin to put into words how all of this is making me feel.  It wasn't so much Trump winning that upset me, but that the GOP swept everything on the Federal Level and many of the seats here on the State and Local levels too...


    Just curious on others' opinions here, but would you (general "you") feel the same if the DNC had swept all of the federal offices? Or is it the fact that it is a republican majority that is the problem? 
    I've gotta be honest...I would be 100% on board with a pure blue outcome across the board.  I deeply believe that progressive causes are empirically more correct than conservative ones.  I believe in full equal access for women, people of color, religious minorities, GLBT individuals, and, well, everyone.  I believe that we as a society should not allow people to sicken and die because they can't afford healthcare.  I believe that herding our citizens, particularly people of color, into (often for-profit) prisons for minor offences is a moral failing.  I believe that all our workers, from ditch-diggers to Fortune 500 CEOs deserve the dignity of a living wage for their labor.

    I would prefer to appeal to the decency that I do believe exists in the hearts of those on the other side of the aisle.  But in the absence of that, I would absolutely just stuff it down their throats if I had the power to do so.  Maybe it is just idealism, but I have to believe that most conservatives are just scared of moving away from familiar territory rather than actively invested in harming others.  If they were able to see universal healthcare in effect, for example, and actually see that it is capable of both saving lives and saving money, then I think the fear could dissipate and we could all be happy with the results.
    My parents are conservatives.  They lived in England for 2 years and then another 2 years in Norway.     They were NOT impressed with universal healthcare.   At all.  My mom had to come back to the states for certain treatments because it would take 6 months or more to even get appointments.  Her experience was not a positive one.        

     






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    If they were able to see universal healthcare in effect, for example, and actually see that it is capable of both saving lives and saving money, then I think the fear could dissipate and we could all be happy with the results.
    Yes, except in a lot of cases the level of care needed isn't managed timely - which results in additional complications, cost, and even death. the NHS in England is a good example of this - people with critical conditions have to wait months to get operations or treatments that can save their lives. The amount of resources (doctors, nurses, facilities, etc.) to provide these services are so low, that the wait times are insane, and a lot of people will pay to go overseas for treatment (if they can afford it) or end up succumbing to their condition/complications because they can't wait and can't afford to go elsewhere.

    My ("very good") company sponsored insurance plan just decided to stop covering one of my migraine meds - which means that once again, I'm looking for a treatment for a chronic condition. I had a conversation with my doctor about it and his comment was that insurance companies are really only concerned with the bottom line - they want healthy people who can keep paying in and they will continue to limit coverage and limit payouts - they really don't care if people die. 

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    lyndausvi said:
    SaintPaulGal said:
    kvruns said:
    cowgirl8238 said:

    I can't even begin to put into words how all of this is making me feel.  It wasn't so much Trump winning that upset me, but that the GOP swept everything on the Federal Level and many of the seats here on the State and Local levels too...


    Just curious on others' opinions here, but would you (general "you") feel the same if the DNC had swept all of the federal offices? Or is it the fact that it is a republican majority that is the problem? 
    I've gotta be honest...I would be 100% on board with a pure blue outcome across the board.  I deeply believe that progressive causes are empirically more correct than conservative ones.  I believe in full equal access for women, people of color, religious minorities, GLBT individuals, and, well, everyone.  I believe that we as a society should not allow people to sicken and die because they can't afford healthcare.  I believe that herding our citizens, particularly people of color, into (often for-profit) prisons for minor offences is a moral failing.  I believe that all our workers, from ditch-diggers to Fortune 500 CEOs deserve the dignity of a living wage for their labor.

    I would prefer to appeal to the decency that I do believe exists in the hearts of those on the other side of the aisle.  But in the absence of that, I would absolutely just stuff it down their throats if I had the power to do so.  Maybe it is just idealism, but I have to believe that most conservatives are just scared of moving away from familiar territory rather than actively invested in harming others.  If they were able to see universal healthcare in effect, for example, and actually see that it is capable of both saving lives and saving money, then I think the fear could dissipate and we could all be happy with the results.
    My parents are conservatives.  They lived in England for 2 years and then another 2 years in Norway.     They were NOT impressed with universal healthcare.   At all.  My mom had to come back to the states for certain treatments because it would take 6 months or more to even get appointments.  Her experience was not a positive one.        

     
    I think it depends where you are. People complain about wait times up here, but what they don't understand is that it's by critical care. For instance, someone I know needed heart surgery, his surgery was booked within a week. My kid needs a referral to an allergist to find out what he may or may not be allergic to, his appointment is in eight months. 
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    TrixieJess said:
    lyndausvi said:
    SaintPaulGal said:
    kvruns said:
    cowgirl8238 said:

    I can't even begin to put into words how all of this is making me feel.  It wasn't so much Trump winning that upset me, but that the GOP swept everything on the Federal Level and many of the seats here on the State and Local levels too...


    Just curious on others' opinions here, but would you (general "you") feel the same if the DNC had swept all of the federal offices? Or is it the fact that it is a republican majority that is the problem? 
    I've gotta be honest...I would be 100% on board with a pure blue outcome across the board.  I deeply believe that progressive causes are empirically more correct than conservative ones.  I believe in full equal access for women, people of color, religious minorities, GLBT individuals, and, well, everyone.  I believe that we as a society should not allow people to sicken and die because they can't afford healthcare.  I believe that herding our citizens, particularly people of color, into (often for-profit) prisons for minor offences is a moral failing.  I believe that all our workers, from ditch-diggers to Fortune 500 CEOs deserve the dignity of a living wage for their labor.

    I would prefer to appeal to the decency that I do believe exists in the hearts of those on the other side of the aisle.  But in the absence of that, I would absolutely just stuff it down their throats if I had the power to do so.  Maybe it is just idealism, but I have to believe that most conservatives are just scared of moving away from familiar territory rather than actively invested in harming others.  If they were able to see universal healthcare in effect, for example, and actually see that it is capable of both saving lives and saving money, then I think the fear could dissipate and we could all be happy with the results.
    My parents are conservatives.  They lived in England for 2 years and then another 2 years in Norway.     They were NOT impressed with universal healthcare.   At all.  My mom had to come back to the states for certain treatments because it would take 6 months or more to even get appointments.  Her experience was not a positive one.        

     
    I think it depends where you are. People complain about wait times up here, but what they don't understand is that it's by critical care. For instance, someone I know needed heart surgery, his surgery was booked within a week. My kid needs a referral to an allergist to find out what he may or may not be allergic to, his appointment is in eight months. 
    I was about to say the same thing.
    Also, about the allergist - that's crazy! I had to get a new allergist and was booked within a couple months {maybe 3 most?}
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    @mrsconn23 I am CRACKING UP over that!!

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    I am taking a sick day from life today. The movers came yesterday and took almost everything. My house is so empty, it echos. My heart is broken for the potential and hope I had for this country. I am not sad that I am going to be watching from afar.

    Eta: I hope in my heart of hearts that all the branches of government prove me wrong. I have never wanted to be so wrong in my entire life. I hope they come out swinging to dispel all the accusations of sexisms, racism, classism... all of it, through strong actions against all of those things. I am terribly afraid and I just want them to make a liar out of me.
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    MissKittyDanger said:
    TrixieJess said:
    lyndausvi said:
    SaintPaulGal said:
    kvruns said:
    cowgirl8238 said:

    I can't even begin to put into words how all of this is making me feel.  It wasn't so much Trump winning that upset me, but that the GOP swept everything on the Federal Level and many of the seats here on the State and Local levels too...


    Just curious on others' opinions here, but would you (general "you") feel the same if the DNC had swept all of the federal offices? Or is it the fact that it is a republican majority that is the problem? 
    I've gotta be honest...I would be 100% on board with a pure blue outcome across the board.  I deeply believe that progressive causes are empirically more correct than conservative ones.  I believe in full equal access for women, people of color, religious minorities, GLBT individuals, and, well, everyone.  I believe that we as a society should not allow people to sicken and die because they can't afford healthcare.  I believe that herding our citizens, particularly people of color, into (often for-profit) prisons for minor offences is a moral failing.  I believe that all our workers, from ditch-diggers to Fortune 500 CEOs deserve the dignity of a living wage for their labor.

    I would prefer to appeal to the decency that I do believe exists in the hearts of those on the other side of the aisle.  But in the absence of that, I would absolutely just stuff it down their throats if I had the power to do so.  Maybe it is just idealism, but I have to believe that most conservatives are just scared of moving away from familiar territory rather than actively invested in harming others.  If they were able to see universal healthcare in effect, for example, and actually see that it is capable of both saving lives and saving money, then I think the fear could dissipate and we could all be happy with the results.
    My parents are conservatives.  They lived in England for 2 years and then another 2 years in Norway.     They were NOT impressed with universal healthcare.   At all.  My mom had to come back to the states for certain treatments because it would take 6 months or more to even get appointments.  Her experience was not a positive one.        

     
    I think it depends where you are. People complain about wait times up here, but what they don't understand is that it's by critical care. For instance, someone I know needed heart surgery, his surgery was booked within a week. My kid needs a referral to an allergist to find out what he may or may not be allergic to, his appointment is in eight months. 
    I was about to say the same thing.
    Also, about the allergist - that's crazy! I had to get a new allergist and was booked within a couple months {maybe 3 most?}
    He doesn't turn 4 until the spring, and they are taking that into account. It's also with the head of the department at the hospital. It's also because I'm not taking the first allergist available, I asked specifically for this department. He's also not at risk for an anaphylactic reaction. 

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    mrsconn23 said:
    I love that HRC is toying with the press regarding the timing of her statement.  They're all waiting with bated breath.

    Good for her.  She doesn't owe them shit. 
    I have long assumed Trump would lose and just the other night I said to H that I was pretty sure he wouldn't give a concession speech that night because he wouldn't want to admit he lost. I was very surprised that Clinton didn't do anything last night (or early this morning when it was called). 

    Because I'm apparently in a devil's advocate mood, would we feel the same about not owing the press anything if it was Trump who lost and didn't make the speech or give timing for it? Or would it just be another example of him being an asshole and a sore loser? 

    (for the record I did not vote for Trump, no way I would have done that, I just like to dig in to the other side of the coin)
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    @kvruns I would have talked mad shit about him, admittedly.
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    @kvruns I would have talked mad shit about him, admittedly.
    you still can ;)
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