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Sounds like BF needs to get his own J.O.B.

I recently moved in with my boyfriend after a year and a half of dating. He is a writer and currently unemployed as he struggles to find a job during the pandemic. I’m working from home at the same job I’ve had for three years. We both go to bed rather late (1-2 a.m. or sometimes later for me), but usually he falls asleep before I do and sleeps in later too. (Most of my life I’ve been fine on six hours of sleep.) Our problem has to do with my alarm clock: I have to be up for work in the morning, so I usually set an alarm for 9:15 a.m. that can ring several times until I finally wake up 30 minutes later. It’s a relatively soft tune at a moderate volume, and I turn it off immediately once it starts, so we’re talking about four to five moments of soft music for a few second intervals.

The other day he got angry with me and said that I am messing with his “biological clock” by forcing him to hear the alarm several times every morning. If this were at 7, I would agree and get up as quickly as possible to avoid waking him. But we’re talking about 9:30! I don’t see a reason why a person should sleep longer than seven to eight hours a night, even if they are unemployed. He usually gets up at 11:30 a.m. I’m privileged to work two jobs from home, and I’m still completing my university studies, and I’m honestly exhausted from everything. I hate waking up to the first ring of the clock, to feel like I have to jump out of bed, and I think it’s extremely reasonable to get up at 10, even if you don’t “have” to do so.

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Re: Sounds like BF needs to get his own J.O.B.

  • Two things on this stand out

    -LW seems to be thinking that because she has picked a late time for her that it should be OK for her BF.  The reality is that he's already voiced his opinion that it is NOT the time for him and he is actively wanting to not wake up at this time.   

    Side note: My mom did this to me as a teen.   I'd either be up late working or just up late as a teen.   On Saturday mornings (or sometimes in the summer after working late) my mom would wake up my brother and me by blasting the stereo usually with classical music (think Bizet's Carmen).   We'd get really upset and say that we were dead asleep when she did it and her answer was, "It was time for you to be up."  My answer was always, "I went to bed after you and was still sleeping!!"  It annoyed me way back then as her passive aggressive parenting maneuver and did not go over well.   LW is doing the same thing.    She's assuming that what's OK for her is what's OK for everyone.

    -I could be working at my desk and wide awake.   If you need 30 minutes of the snooze button to wake up you are going to annoy me and I'm going to tell you that the pattern of doing it is pissing me off. 

    LW is more frustrated that she's working and he isn't and is acting like his mom.   Stop.   He's telling her that it pisses him off and she sees no issue which does not bode well for any future. 
  • Alarm complaint is valid no matter what time it is.

    But yeah, LW seems to have some resentment about perceived laziness in the BF.
  • Woah, LW!  As someone that needs a fair amount of sleep, the "I don't see a reason why a person should sleep longer" seems judgey. Some of us need a lot of sleep!  Of course, I go to bed earlier so that I get it, so if someone had an alarm going off at 9, I'd count back and go to bed at 1 if I know I need 8 hours.  So ... BF needs to think ahead.

  • I disagree with you, @banana468.  The LW is the only one working and needs to be up at a certain time.  They are also not a morning person and need to ease into their day and waking up, by using the snooze button.  It's perfectly valid to me that the LW's needs, at least for this issue, take precedence.  It sounds like the b/f has the entire day and night free to do whatever schedule he wants.

    The b/f could do a lot of things to solve this problem for himself.  He could go to bed at the same time.  He could wear ear plugs or something like that so the alarm doesn't wake him up.  He could sleep in another area.

    I do agree that the LW shouldn't purposely wake him up just because they think he should be getting up by 9:30 anyway.  But it doesn't sound like that is what they are doing.
    I think her commentary isn't passing my smell test.

    She's saying that it's a calm tune at a soft volume yet it's loud enough to wake both of them up.  

    She also says that the BF goes to bed at the same time but is often asleep before her.  Even if this means that they're asleep around 2 AM then it's less than 8 hours.  What she's doing is deciding that she gets to stay up late and be OK on often less than 8 hours of sleep and is throwing his needs out the window because she's getting up for work.  

    My issue here is 
    1) how quiet is that alarm really?  And is there really NOTHING that the LW can do?  She can't turn it down, use a different alarm that may vibrate just her pillow or use something that's going to be just waking her up? 

    2) Is she really fine on 6 hours of sleep?    If she needs to keep hitting snooze is the answer that she's truly not a morning person or that MAYBE she needs more sleep? 

    3) LW is ignoring that her BF may fall asleep first but may not be able to fall back asleep. 

    LW actively said she does not understand why someone needs to sleep more than 7-8 hours a night.  She's inserting her opinion and thinking that what works for her should work for everyone else.   It clearly doesn't, her own boyfriend is telling her that it doesn't work this way and she's attempting to use the "I have a job now" line as a reason she gets to wake him up and to hell with the quantity of sleep he needs.

    I need 8 hours of sleep and often sleep in on weekends.  DH often sleeps in as well and needs more sleep PLUS he's a restless sleeper.  We are both employed but I can tell you that it would NOT go over well with DH if I told him that because I thought he'd slept enough that my opinion was fact.   It wouldn't make me right.   It would make me a bitch. 


  • H is an alarm snoozer and I HATE it. I can never go back to sleep so I’m just up. When we were both in the office the alarm and wake time was a constant negotiation for us. 

    I don’t think one person gets to dictate a shared living space (ie their bedroom). If LW needs to be up by a certain time and isn’t a morning person why can’t they set the alarm and get right up? If that’s too early for BF he can go to bed earlier or work on going back to sleep. But *needing* to snooze the alarm several times before getting up half an hour later is a want, not a need. What about setting it for 9:30 and snoozing once? There has to be a reasonable compromise here and it sounds like LW isn’t interested. 
  • He who is unemployed does not get to whine about how she who is supporting him wakes up. 
    This
  • He who is unemployed does not get to whine about how she who is supporting him wakes up. 
    I mean this sounds good, but I also think it’s a little unfair to say one person gets to dictate the sleep/ wake arrangements just because the other person lost their job due to a recession and global pandemic. 

    Maybe it’s a little personal but I think I’d be an asshole if when I go back to work I said to H that I get to decide how and when he wakes up, with no room for compromise, just because his job was eliminated due to a pandemic. 
  • This isn't something that will get settled over time.  TBH, now it's a dealbreaker for me.  ExH used to do this; whether it was part of his depression or just his habit, I can't really remember any more.  But he'd sleep into the afternoon on the weekends and it drove me mad for many other related "half a day is gone" reasons.  K and I had to have a discussion about this b/c K's sleeping habits aren't great (for good reasons) and I've had to learn to not get angry and be supportive; they try to be up by 11 as the compromise.

    So, LW either needs to learn to accept/live with this sleeping arrangement or not.  If LW's going to learn to live with it, BF needs to learn to fall back asleep after LW does what they need to do to get themselves to work.
  • He who is unemployed does not get to whine about how she who is supporting him wakes up. 
    I mean this sounds good, but I also think it’s a little unfair to say one person gets to dictate the sleep/ wake arrangements just because the other person lost their job due to a recession and global pandemic. 

    Maybe it’s a little personal but I think I’d be an asshole if when I go back to work I said to H that I get to decide how and when he wakes up, with no room for compromise, just because his job was eliminated due to a pandemic. 
    Totes agree.

    Also, be careful with this line of thinking because I think I'd be hard pressed to find a group of stay at home moms who would appreciate their husbands saying that they're the breadwinners and their wives don't get to whine about how often they push the snooze button in the morning.    Basic courtesy does not go out the window when you bring in the paycheck.  


  • He who is unemployed does not get to whine about how she who is supporting him wakes up. 
    I mean this sounds good, but I also think it’s a little unfair to say one person gets to dictate the sleep/ wake arrangements just because the other person lost their job due to a recession and global pandemic. 

    Maybe it’s a little personal but I think I’d be an asshole if when I go back to work I said to H that I get to decide how and when he wakes up, with no room for compromise, just because his job was eliminated due to a pandemic. 
    Yeah I’d be way more sympathetic if this was actually early. But it’s 9:15. He wants to sleep in, undisturbed, until 11:30 every day while she works two jobs and goes to school. If he’s tired, he can go to bed earlier. Or nap. Idk how he thinks he’s going to find a job sleeping half the day away. 


    ETA: also, he’s not her husband. And I’m team you do not have to support men to whom you are not married, and if you do they should be grateful and supportive of your job, not complaining about how you wake up mid morning. 
    I agree with this 100%.  Take a nap later, or go to bed earlier.  Do none of you get up at different times than your partners?  Why is the one who needs to get up earlier be the asshole? 
  • banana468 said:
    He who is unemployed does not get to whine about how she who is supporting him wakes up. 
    I mean this sounds good, but I also think it’s a little unfair to say one person gets to dictate the sleep/ wake arrangements just because the other person lost their job due to a recession and global pandemic. 

    Maybe it’s a little personal but I think I’d be an asshole if when I go back to work I said to H that I get to decide how and when he wakes up, with no room for compromise, just because his job was eliminated due to a pandemic. 
    Totes agree.

    Also, be careful with this line of thinking because I think I'd be hard pressed to find a group of stay at home moms who would appreciate their husbands saying that they're the breadwinners and their wives don't get to whine about how often they push the snooze button in the morning.    Basic courtesy does not go out the window when you bring in the paycheck.  


    Well yeah. Because stay at home moms are doing something with their day, unlike houseboyfriends. 
  • And this is part of the reason why H and I sleep in separate bedrooms. We have different sleep patterns, habits, wakeup times, etc. Rather than continuing to fight, and get shitty sleep every night, we sleep separately.
  • Casadena said:
    He who is unemployed does not get to whine about how she who is supporting him wakes up. 
    I mean this sounds good, but I also think it’s a little unfair to say one person gets to dictate the sleep/ wake arrangements just because the other person lost their job due to a recession and global pandemic. 

    Maybe it’s a little personal but I think I’d be an asshole if when I go back to work I said to H that I get to decide how and when he wakes up, with no room for compromise, just because his job was eliminated due to a pandemic. 
    Yeah I’d be way more sympathetic if this was actually early. But it’s 9:15. He wants to sleep in, undisturbed, until 11:30 every day while she works two jobs and goes to school. If he’s tired, he can go to bed earlier. Or nap. Idk how he thinks he’s going to find a job sleeping half the day away. 


    ETA: also, he’s not her husband. And I’m team you do not have to support men to whom you are not married, and if you do they should be grateful and supportive of your job, not complaining about how you wake up mid morning. 
    I agree with this 100%.  Take a nap later, or go to bed earlier.  Do none of you get up at different times than your partners?  Why is the one who needs to get up earlier be the asshole? 
    It isn't the waking up earlier that is problematic.   LW isn't setting an alarm that works for them.     They're falling into the logic that they allegedly "need" to hit the snooze button for 30 minutes to ease into their day because they aren't a morning person and in the same breath their  answer is essentially "I sleep in long enough and that should be fine for him because it's fine for me."  

    For starters, snooze button over use is proven to be not good and is problematic for being rested and awake throughout the day.   And they're doing this not just to themself but to their partner - an alleged equal in that relationship.  They now BOTH face the liklihood of a less restful day. 

    In addition, that snooze button hitting for 30 minutes isn't where his disruption ends if they gets out of bed and then gets ready to face the day with moving around the room as part of the morning routine with getting dressed and a shower.  It's at least a few more minutes when LW continues to disrupt the sleep of the BF and he has been quite clear that it's disrupting the sleep he needs which is more than what LW claims they need.  

    There are insinuations that the BF is somehow not upholding his end of the deal here or is not doing enough to enter the job search in the pandemic and that hasn't been stated by LW in the letter.    If that's the major issue here and the LW thinks that they're doing the majority of the work now then they need to cut ties.   But I do think that you can't attempt to pull rank and say, "I'm the one with the paycheck and I'm going to do something that's not even advised because I claim I need this and to hell with what you say you need." 

     
  • banana468 said:
    Casadena said:
    He who is unemployed does not get to whine about how she who is supporting him wakes up. 
    I mean this sounds good, but I also think it’s a little unfair to say one person gets to dictate the sleep/ wake arrangements just because the other person lost their job due to a recession and global pandemic. 

    Maybe it’s a little personal but I think I’d be an asshole if when I go back to work I said to H that I get to decide how and when he wakes up, with no room for compromise, just because his job was eliminated due to a pandemic. 
    Yeah I’d be way more sympathetic if this was actually early. But it’s 9:15. He wants to sleep in, undisturbed, until 11:30 every day while she works two jobs and goes to school. If he’s tired, he can go to bed earlier. Or nap. Idk how he thinks he’s going to find a job sleeping half the day away. 


    ETA: also, he’s not her husband. And I’m team you do not have to support men to whom you are not married, and if you do they should be grateful and supportive of your job, not complaining about how you wake up mid morning. 
    I agree with this 100%.  Take a nap later, or go to bed earlier.  Do none of you get up at different times than your partners?  Why is the one who needs to get up earlier be the asshole? 
    It isn't the waking up earlier that is problematic.   LW isn't setting an alarm that works for them.     They're falling into the logic that they allegedly "need" to hit the snooze button for 30 minutes to ease into their day because they aren't a morning person and in the same breath their  answer is essentially "I sleep in long enough and that should be fine for him because it's fine for me."  

    For starters, snooze button over use is proven to be not good and is problematic for being rested and awake throughout the day.   And they're doing this not just to themself but to their partner - an alleged equal in that relationship.  They now BOTH face the liklihood of a less restful day. 

    In addition, that snooze button hitting for 30 minutes isn't where his disruption ends if they gets out of bed and then gets ready to face the day with moving around the room as part of the morning routine with getting dressed and a shower.  It's at least a few more minutes when LW continues to disrupt the sleep of the BF and he has been quite clear that it's disrupting the sleep he needs which is more than what LW claims they need.  

    There are insinuations that the BF is somehow not upholding his end of the deal here or is not doing enough to enter the job search in the pandemic and that hasn't been stated by LW in the letter.    If that's the major issue here and the LW thinks that they're doing the majority of the work now then they need to cut ties.   But I do think that you can't attempt to pull rank and say, "I'm the one with the paycheck and I'm going to do something that's not even advised because I claim I need this and to hell with what you say you need." 

     
    Sleeping until 11:30 also not advised, also not a need, and if I were her reading this I’d just set my alarm to 9 every day and not bother trying to be terribly quiet while getting up to do my two jobs that support the both of us. 
  • banana468 said:
    He who is unemployed does not get to whine about how she who is supporting him wakes up. 
    I mean this sounds good, but I also think it’s a little unfair to say one person gets to dictate the sleep/ wake arrangements just because the other person lost their job due to a recession and global pandemic. 

    Maybe it’s a little personal but I think I’d be an asshole if when I go back to work I said to H that I get to decide how and when he wakes up, with no room for compromise, just because his job was eliminated due to a pandemic. 
    Totes agree.

    Also, be careful with this line of thinking because I think I'd be hard pressed to find a group of stay at home moms who would appreciate their husbands saying that they're the breadwinners and their wives don't get to whine about how often they push the snooze button in the morning.    Basic courtesy does not go out the window when you bring in the paycheck.  


    Well yeah. Because stay at home moms are doing something with their day, unlike houseboyfriends. 
    The arrogance in that comment is pretty astounding.     

    Again, LW hasn't said, "I find it problematic that I'm working two jobs and he hasn't found even one and I am doing all the things while he does not," and if that's what she wants the issue to be she needs to use her words while still understanding that he BF is finding the disruption to his sleep incredibly problematic for him and the lack of feeling that there's any middle ground here is a pretty solid recipe for acrimony. 






  • banana468 said:
    banana468 said:
    He who is unemployed does not get to whine about how she who is supporting him wakes up. 
    I mean this sounds good, but I also think it’s a little unfair to say one person gets to dictate the sleep/ wake arrangements just because the other person lost their job due to a recession and global pandemic. 

    Maybe it’s a little personal but I think I’d be an asshole if when I go back to work I said to H that I get to decide how and when he wakes up, with no room for compromise, just because his job was eliminated due to a pandemic. 
    Totes agree.

    Also, be careful with this line of thinking because I think I'd be hard pressed to find a group of stay at home moms who would appreciate their husbands saying that they're the breadwinners and their wives don't get to whine about how often they push the snooze button in the morning.    Basic courtesy does not go out the window when you bring in the paycheck.  


    Well yeah. Because stay at home moms are doing something with their day, unlike houseboyfriends. 
    The arrogance in that comment is pretty astounding.     

    Again, LW hasn't said, "I find it problematic that I'm working two jobs and he hasn't found even one and I am doing all the things while he does not," and if that's what she wants the issue to be she needs to use her words while still understanding that he BF is finding the disruption to his sleep incredibly problematic for him and the lack of feeling that there's any middle ground here is a pretty solid recipe for acrimony. 






    I’m not sure how reading into these questions is arrogant, it’s literally what we do every week. She’s working two jobs and going to school and says she’s exhausted. I don’t see any reason to assume her unemployed boyfriend is super busy all day any more than my assumption that he’s doing nothing. 
  • banana468 said:
    banana468 said:
    He who is unemployed does not get to whine about how she who is supporting him wakes up. 
    I mean this sounds good, but I also think it’s a little unfair to say one person gets to dictate the sleep/ wake arrangements just because the other person lost their job due to a recession and global pandemic. 

    Maybe it’s a little personal but I think I’d be an asshole if when I go back to work I said to H that I get to decide how and when he wakes up, with no room for compromise, just because his job was eliminated due to a pandemic. 
    Totes agree.

    Also, be careful with this line of thinking because I think I'd be hard pressed to find a group of stay at home moms who would appreciate their husbands saying that they're the breadwinners and their wives don't get to whine about how often they push the snooze button in the morning.    Basic courtesy does not go out the window when you bring in the paycheck.  


    Well yeah. Because stay at home moms are doing something with their day, unlike houseboyfriends. 
    The arrogance in that comment is pretty astounding.     

    Again, LW hasn't said, "I find it problematic that I'm working two jobs and he hasn't found even one and I am doing all the things while he does not," and if that's what she wants the issue to be she needs to use her words while still understanding that he BF is finding the disruption to his sleep incredibly problematic for him and the lack of feeling that there's any middle ground here is a pretty solid recipe for acrimony. 






    I’m not sure how reading into these questions is arrogant, it’s literally what we do every week. She’s working two jobs and going to school and says she’s exhausted. I don’t see any reason to assume her unemployed boyfriend is super busy all day any more than my assumption that he’s doing nothing. 
    Stuck - of course it's what we do each week.   LW can be tired and you can also be tired if you're unemployed, no one is hiring, and it's a pandemic.   Those are major contributors to mental health decline.   

    My point is that LW is presenting the issue over their (not necessarily her) refusal to change and my argument is that maybe there's an opportunity to consider some adjustments to the morning routine. 
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    banana468 said:

    It isn't the waking up earlier that is problematic.   LW isn't setting an alarm that works for them.     They're falling into the logic that they allegedly "need" to hit the snooze button for 30 minutes to ease into their day because they aren't a morning person and in the same breath their  answer is essentially "I sleep in long enough and that should be fine for him because it's fine for me."  

    For starters, snooze button over use is proven to be not good and is problematic for being rested and awake throughout the day.   And they're doing this not just to themself but to their partner - an alleged equal in that relationship.  They now BOTH face the liklihood of a less restful day. 

    In addition, that snooze button hitting for 30 minutes isn't where his disruption ends if they gets out of bed and then gets ready to face the day with moving around the room as part of the morning routine with getting dressed and a shower.  It's at least a few more minutes when LW continues to disrupt the sleep of the BF and he has been quite clear that it's disrupting the sleep he needs which is more than what LW claims they need.  

    There are insinuations that the BF is somehow not upholding his end of the deal here or is not doing enough to enter the job search in the pandemic and that hasn't been stated by LW in the letter.    If that's the major issue here and the LW thinks that they're doing the majority of the work now then they need to cut ties.   But I do think that you can't attempt to pull rank and say, "I'm the one with the paycheck and I'm going to do something that's not even advised because I claim I need this and to hell with what you say you need."  
    I agree the LW could compromise a little.and shorten the snooze time.  Like maybe only hit it twice.  Set it for 9:15.  But, as a heavy snooze button user...maybe not for 30 minutes...I feel worse if I don't snooze.  MUCH worse, all day long if I have to hop right out of bed and can't ease into my day more.  Without my snooze alarm, It's like my body goes into "stress" mode and there is an underlying level of that all day.

    The fact that the LW does mention what they do all day...between work and school...gives me the strong impression that they're probably not happy with the situation.  Perhaps talking about income is unfair.  I guess it is more that not having a job...and no mention of kids or ANYTHING this guy does during the day, except write and look for work...means that by, definition, he has a more flexible schedule and a lot more time on his hands.  So he does need to suck it up and be more on the short end of the compromise stick.

    I'd feel the same way if they both worked.  But b/f works 40 hours and LW works 40/hr f/t job plus a 20 hour p/t job plus has online classes.

    Edited to add:  I might be reading into things, but it also sounds like the only thing acceptable for the b/f is for the LW to not use the snooze button at all.  And that's where he is being ridiculous.  The fact of the matter is, the b/f is going to wake up to the alarm and the LW getting ready anyway.  He's already going to have interruptions to his sleep, though I could see where more interruptions would be more annoying.
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  • I still agree with Starmoon 100%.  BF would still be woken up if she got up right at 9 and then got ready.  Go to bed earlier if you need more sleep, or figure out a way to not hear it.  

    Sure, LW could work on getting up to the first one, but IMO the issue is not the snooze button, it's that BF just wants to sleep later. Fine, but it's not the job of the person who needs to get up to make sure you're sleeping enough. 
  • In all of that I think the LW needs to use words more.

    "I am feeling stressed with a full day of 3 jobs worth of work.   I know you also need your sleep but I am feeling like the current level of labor exerted in the house is one sided. " 


  • BF needs a child. No more sleeping in.

    That being said, agreed with @STARMOON44 - BF doesn't work. LW does.
    My biological clock does not like me waking at 7am, but I do because I have to.

    LW wakes up, BF could go back to sleep and stop being a whiney free-loader while LW has not said a peep about the fact they aren't working.

    {agreed LW could have used some better terrible wording}
  • This whole thing just sounds like two people who don't really care about compromise. 

    I'm also kind of laughing at someone who sleeps until 9:30 picking on someone for sleeping in until 11:30. She's acting like she's up at 6. 
    I felt it more as a "we aren't waking up early. why is he bitching? 9:30 is reasonable"
  • BF needs a child. No more sleeping in.

    That being said, agreed with @STARMOON44 - BF doesn't work. LW does.
    My biological clock does not like me waking at 7am, but I do because I have to.

    LW wakes up, BF could go back to sleep and stop being a whiney free-loader while LW has not said a peep about the fact they aren't working.

    {agreed LW could have used some better terrible wording}
    Maybe let’s not insult people who aren’t working due to a global pandemic and not call them free loaders. That’s not cool, especially during a recession and pandemic. 
  • I think there’s a lot of judgement in a lot of responses here toward people who aren’t working. It’s a recession, new unemployment claims are still being filed weekly, & new job creation is basically zero. So maybe we could chill with the assumptions about people who are out of work now. 

    I know it’s just a Prudie letter but I’m surprised to see so many responses from people who are generally pretty open minded acting like being unemployed is inferior. Has anyone here actually had to try looking for work these days? 
  • FI and I have wildly different sleep patterns. I wake up at 6:45 every day (used to be earlier but traffic isn’t quite what it was pre-pandemic). FI wakes up anywhere from 4 am-7. Sometimes we sleep in different rooms (I’m the light sleeper).  FI needs his naps. We’ve figured it out for the most part. I’m just going to die from a permanent lack of sleep but it’s not because we haven’t compromised. Lol

    I get that LW sounds a little judgy. But honestly? I’d be upset too. It sounds like bf is just around all day while LW is supporting them. Sure, they could compromise of the number of snoozes, but overall I think the deeper issue is that LW is working hard while bf is at home all day. They sound resentful and this sleep issue is just the way it’s all surfacing. 


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  • I think there’s a lot of judgement in a lot of responses here toward people who aren’t working. It’s a recession, new unemployment claims are still being filed weekly, & new job creation is basically zero. So maybe we could chill with the assumptions about people who are out of work now. 

    I know it’s just a Prudie letter but I’m surprised to see so many responses from people who are generally pretty open minded acting like being unemployed is inferior. Has anyone here actually had to try looking for work these days? 
    100% Agree.

    Plus, LW mentions that BF is a writer. If he's anything like any of the writers I know, he's looking for work, looking for freelance opportunities, editing old pieces to fit writing samples for opportunities, etc. He's looking for work in a hard profession, not watching netflix all day. 
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