Wedding Woes

GF is being unreasonable

Dear Prudence,

I have an amazing girlfriend. She’s intelligent, funny, successful, and incredibly caring. Plus, she has been phenomenal with my teenage daughter. My girlfriend is also a mother, and has an 8-year-old daughter. I don’t have the same level of emotional intelligence as my girlfriend, but I get along well with her daughter. We read, watch movies, and play board games together.

There is one recurrent issue that’s coming between my girlfriend and me: Although her daughter has her own bedroom, my girlfriend lets her sleep in bed with us frequently. My girlfriend also gets up early, leaving me in bed with an 8-year-old girl. I would never in a million years do anything, but I also don’t think that situation is remotely a good idea.

My girlfriend insists her daughter is just scared, and does not want to leave her alone at night. Their bedtime routine already involves soothing her daughter by putting her to bed in her own bedroom and falling asleep together, but her daughter will wake up in the night, open our bedroom door and climb into bed next to us. I offer to carry her back to her own bedroom, but get looked at like I’m being cruel.

I feel bad continuing to raise the issue, especially since my girlfriend takes it as an attack on her daughter. But it’s been five months since I expressed my concern and there’s been no real improvement. I know blending families with children can be difficult, but how do we resolve this? 

— Uneasy Sleep


Re: GF is being unreasonable

  • i don’t have kids, but just as an outsider looking in, LW’s GF needs to have her daughter start sleeping in her own room.  8 is old for me to still be doing this.  But again, I’m not a parent so I really don’t know.
    but c’mon… 8?

  • If you’re not comfortable you need to say something. You deserve to feel comfortable in your own bed. Maybe a solution is to put a cot or mattress on the floor next to GFs side of the bed and have daughter sleep in there when she’s scared? With the goal of eventually transitioning back to her room. 
  • I like your short-term solution of a cot @charlotte989875, but @CharmedPam is correct that 8 is getting to be a little old for this. 

    I totally get why LW is uncomfortable with the girl being left in the bed with him.  GF should at the very least be taking her back to her bed or making her get up with her.  But a plan to transition out of this routine needs to be discussed.  GF is overreacting to LW.  Honestly, if she won't consider any alternatives...is this a deal-breaker?  

    We bed-shared with DefConn off and on until he was 6 or 7.  He did climb into bed with us most nights and when DH was on nights, DefConn ended up in bed with me every night.  Towards the end we started kicking him out because he was too squirmy and big.  

    DefConn is 10.5 and we still tuck him in every night for the most part.  We get in bed with him and talk to him (or he shows us a 'fail army' video, LOL).  But we also can tell him to go to bed or just do a 'drive-by' tuck-in where we pop in his room for a second to give a kiss and say 'good night, go to bed!'  They (well, GF) need to work toward that kind of independence and it needs to start somewhere. 
  • I have to agree that at age 8, GF's daughter is getting too old for this, and I completely understand why LW is uncomfortable with it. The cot idea is a good one, and I also think GF needs to talk to her daughter to figure out exactly why she can't sleep in her own room and gently explain why she needs to build up to sleeping on her own. If they can't get to the bottom of it, therapy might be a good idea as well, if feasible. 

    LW needs to talk about this with GF again, perhaps more adamantly this time regarding his discomfort with the situation. If GF refuses to do anything about it, I'd say it's a deal breaker. 
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  • Put your foot down every time. Move into a different room if you can. This is inappropriate and dangerous. 
  • I don't know that it's dangerous but it's definitely inappropriate and also not teaching the 8 yo how to handle herself.  I'm personally not in favor of kids in the bed unless you're nursing them and really not in favor of having them in the bed once they know how to get in and out.  GF needs to use some tough love with the kiddo. 
  • banana468 said:
    I don't know that it's dangerous but it's definitely inappropriate and also not teaching the 8 yo how to handle herself.  I'm personally not in favor of kids in the bed unless you're nursing them and really not in favor of having them in the bed once they know how to get in and out.  GF needs to use some tough love with the kiddo. 
    I think it’s dangerous to the boyfriend! Puts him in a really risky situation in terms of accusations. 
  • mrsconn23mrsconn23 member
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    banana468 said:
    I don't know that it's dangerous but it's definitely inappropriate and also not teaching the 8 yo how to handle herself.  I'm personally not in favor of kids in the bed unless you're nursing them and really not in favor of having them in the bed once they know how to get in and out.  GF needs to use some tough love with the kiddo. 
    I think it’s dangerous to the boyfriend! Puts him in a really risky situation in terms of accusations. 
    That's what I was assumed by you saying it was dangerous.  

    Daughter is getting too old to share a bed with any adult (unless like necessary and with her bio-parents only or like, maybe a grandma or aunt or something...but still, at that age...it's just better to have their own bed even if it's a pallet on the floor), but certainly not with an unrelated male adult.  IDK why GF doesn't get this.  It's almost offensive to BF that she does not. 
  • banana468 said:
    I don't know that it's dangerous but it's definitely inappropriate and also not teaching the 8 yo how to handle herself.  I'm personally not in favor of kids in the bed unless you're nursing them and really not in favor of having them in the bed once they know how to get in and out.  GF needs to use some tough love with the kiddo. 
    I think it’s dangerous to the boyfriend! Puts him in a really risky situation in terms of accusations. 
    Got it.  I was thinking you were assuming the worst of the BF vs. the potential for accusations.  You're absolutely right. 
  • I think there's a bit more to this.
    Like if something happened to baby daddy, GF may be more attached to kid that typical.

    But that aside, I also snuck into my parents room until "too old" of age. My mum ended up talking to a psychiatrist about it because she wasn't sure what to do.
    They told her that I was using them as a security blanket, and should ideally grow out of it. {I did}
    LW needs to talk to GF about maybe looking into the cause of kid's issues and helping as a family.
    Like @charlotte989875 suggested, a cot nearby could be a process.
  • CharmedPamCharmedPam member
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    To me, the cot in the room would cut down on the romance and alone time I’d need with said GF.  This looks like an every night kinda thing. 

  • If there's going to be a cot it should be on the floor of the kid's room for the GF to sleep on - and that's still a terrible idea but it's instilling in the kid that 
    -you don't get to crawl into bed with your mom every time you have problems sleeping
    -It's time to stop co sleeping.


  • banana468 said:
    If there's going to be a cot it should be on the floor of the kid's room for the GF to sleep on - and that's still a terrible idea but it's instilling in the kid that 
    -you don't get to crawl into bed with your mom every time you have problems sleeping
    -It's time to stop co sleeping.


    Sure. If you want me in your space, that's something we can talk about, but you don't get to keep inviting yourself into my (our) space.
  • banana468 said:
    If there's going to be a cot it should be on the floor of the kid's room for the GF to sleep on - and that's still a terrible idea but it's instilling in the kid that 
    -you don't get to crawl into bed with your mom every time you have problems sleeping
    -It's time to stop co sleeping.


    Right. Also, I'm sure there's probably some support to sleep train older kids.  Because let's be real, this is what this is gonna be. 

    Also, I *feel* for parents of shitty sleepers.  Sometimes it's truly just that a kid CANNOT  sleep well. And if there's no medical reason for it, then consistency and coping mechanisms are key.  Allowing this type of thing to run amok is a relationship killer, especially when only one parent is the bioparent to the kid with the issues. 
  • I think this has to be a transition though. For the kid to go from crawling in every night to sleep in your room alone in one night is hard. I’d say let her sleep on a cot in parents room for a few nights, then maybe in her own room with mom on the cot, then all by herself in her room. If she gets scared she wakes Mom up and mom takes her back to her room. 
  • I think this has to be a transition though. For the kid to go from crawling in every night to sleep in your room alone in one night is hard. I’d say let her sleep on a cot in parents room for a few nights, then maybe in her own room with mom on the cot, then all by herself in her room. If she gets scared she wakes Mom up and mom takes her back to her room. 
    Honest question - why do you think the bolded is needed as a step vs. go to mom and mom goes to daughter's room to sleep on the cot if mom is so OK with providing comfort in the same room?   If the cot is set up and moves it gives the daughter the concept and idea that if it could start in her mom's room it can go back there.  
  • banana468 said:
    I think this has to be a transition though. For the kid to go from crawling in every night to sleep in your room alone in one night is hard. I’d say let her sleep on a cot in parents room for a few nights, then maybe in her own room with mom on the cot, then all by herself in her room. If she gets scared she wakes Mom up and mom takes her back to her room. 
    Honest question - why do you think the bolded is needed as a step vs. go to mom and mom goes to daughter's room to sleep on the cot if mom is so OK with providing comfort in the same room?   If the cot is set up and moves it gives the daughter the concept and idea that if it could start in her mom's room it can go back there.  
    Yah that’s true. I was thinking more that the daughter is used to 1) Mom comforting her all night in the same space and 2) going into the room when she’s scared. So if 1 isn’t going to happen (hard stop on getting into bed with Mom & LW) then for a few days she can have 2. Like slowly stepping down what she is used to doing. 
  • banana468 said:
    I think this has to be a transition though. For the kid to go from crawling in every night to sleep in your room alone in one night is hard. I’d say let her sleep on a cot in parents room for a few nights, then maybe in her own room with mom on the cot, then all by herself in her room. If she gets scared she wakes Mom up and mom takes her back to her room. 
    Honest question - why do you think the bolded is needed as a step vs. go to mom and mom goes to daughter's room to sleep on the cot if mom is so OK with providing comfort in the same room?   If the cot is set up and moves it gives the daughter the concept and idea that if it could start in her mom's room it can go back there.  
    Yah that’s true. I was thinking more that the daughter is used to 1) Mom comforting her all night in the same space and 2) going into the room when she’s scared. So if 1 isn’t going to happen (hard stop on getting into bed with Mom & LW) then for a few days she can have 2. Like slowly stepping down what she is used to doing. 
    I was kinda thinking above.

    Like weening daughter out of the bed but still having the security of being in same room.
  • RIght - my point is that the kiddo will have mom in the same room as her if mom gets up.  And this ultimately tells the kid that she has to sleep in HER room.

    My kids are very close to the GF's daughter in age.  8 yo's are manipulative and creative.  They will find ways to say, "But your room is safe!!  Your bed is cozy!  It's bigger! "  And if you hesitate or don't give firm boundaries they will push them. 
  • banana468 said:
    RIght - my point is that the kiddo will have mom in the same room as her if mom gets up.  And this ultimately tells the kid that she has to sleep in HER room.

    My kids are very close to the GF's daughter in age.  8 yo's are manipulative and creative.  They will find ways to say, "But your room is safe!!  Your bed is cozy!  It's bigger! "  And if you hesitate or don't give firm boundaries they will push them. 
    Oh I did pull the safety thing - but it wasn't new.
    I'm curious about backstory with GF and daughter - did they cosleep for a long time and now this is new?
    Is there a stronger attachment between GF and daughter for whatever reason?
    How long have they been living together vs this happening?
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