Duggar baby news

lyndausvi

http://www.today.com/parents/duggar-baby-news-jill-derick-reveal-theyre-expecting-boy-1D80231234?adbid=10152830596331350&adbpl=fb&adbpr=12566691349&cid=sm_t_main_1_20141021_34120497

Beside the fact it's ridiculous they have to annouce this on national TV, this comment really makes me stabby.  Pretty much sums up how they view women.

"As a new dad, to have a firstborn son to be our first child and be the leader of his siblings, it is very special," he said.

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Maggie0829

I was watching a Duggar marathon the other day (some of the most recent episodes leading up to Jill's wedding) and I found myself feeling really uncomfortable.  That family just creeps me out.

lyndausvi

For the record, I'm the first born (if you didn't know I'm female).  My sister was next.  Then twin boys.  

My sister is the leader.  I'm a close 2nd.  You would not think of my brothers as leaders.   Especially the "younger" of the 2.

cupcait927

Yeah that comment didn't sit well with me either.

rajahmd

lyndausvi said:

http://www.today.com/parents/duggar-baby-news-jill-derick-reveal-theyre-expecting-boy-1D80231234?adbid=10152830596331350&adbpl=fb&adbpr=12566691349&cid=sm_t_main_1_20141021_34120497

Beside the fact it's ridiculous they have to annouce this on national TV, this comment really makes me stabby.  Pretty much sums up how they view women.

"As a new dad, to have a firstborn son to be our first child and be the leader of his siblings, it is very special," he said.

Barf. Ugg.

This family annoys me to no end.

chibiyui

Well, how was else will they teach their daughters to do whatever their future husband says if they don't teach their son he's a leader because of his almighty peen.

lyndausvi

Is it mean to hope they only have boys?  Or at least the first 8.  So then the poor girl will not not have to raise her siblings.   

Let's face it's the Duggar girls that run that family.

climbingsingle

OliveOilsMom

My oldest sibling is a boy, but if he were our "leader" we would ALL be in trouble!

chibiyui

lyndausvi said:

Is it mean to hope they only have boys?  Or at least the first 8.  So then the poor girl will not not have to raise her siblings.   

Let's face it's the Duggar girls that run that family.

I hope they're all gay too.

I am a petty, petty person.

jenna8984

Did anyone else scroll further down and see pregnant Blake Lively looking absolutely stunning? I have always liked her. And Ryan Reynolds joked that they were going name the baby either Anaconda or Bruce Jenner hahahah

amelisha

I still think Jana is the only one with a brain in her head. Girl knows her job is getting easier at home as the kids grow up, so she's not running out to get married and start all over again with a husband and innumerable babies to take care of. She'd never admit it, but I bet somewhere in the back of her mind, she's thought about it and realizes that the longer she puts off getting married, the fewer kids she'll have to have herself.

I watch 19 Kids with a kind of fascinated nausea, and I feel terrible for those girls. I mean, the boys have their own set of ridiculous guidelines to adhere to and probably hate themselves every time they think about anything "dirty" and are going to have to work like crazy to provide for their eventual huge families...but the girls have all that moral/religious baggage plus are the ones changing diapers and being told to always, always obey men's authority.

I wouldn't wish their lives on anyone, happy as they look from the outside.

beethery

I don't like them bitches.

thisismynickname2

Eh, I don't have a problem with them. I generally have a "live and let live" attitude. If they're happy, fine. If any of those girls aren't happy, they can find a boy, have premarital sex, and run off to some other state and live how they want. Surely all the parents would do is pray hard for them, not run after them with a rifle.  

I'm actually morbidly fascinated to watch Jill's wedding episode. 

chkmeowt

I hope he got lots of e-cards with this on it. GROSS. The Duggars drive me bananas. STOP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID.

holyguacamole79

That quote about the first-born definitely made me raise my eyebrows.  My dad is the 2nd born in his family and he's the one I consider to be the "leader" of them.

If I told my siblings that I was their "leader" (I'm the oldest), they'd probably be very fast to put me in my place.

kat1114

I could totally see Mommy Duggar getting pregnant again at the same time as one of her daughters. Reality TV gold.

msuprincess04

My dad is the youngest of 5, and the rest are girls. He's not the leader, leadership comes from personality, not anatomy.

bethsmiles

thisismynickname said:

Eh, I don't have a problem with them. I generally have a "live and let live" attitude. If they're happy, fine. If any of those girls aren't happy, they can find a boy, have premarital sex, and run off to some other state and live how they want. Surely all the parents would do is pray hard for them, not run after them with a rifle.  

I'm actually morbidly fascinated to watch Jill's wedding episode. 

Because it's totally that easy when you've grown up in a household like that. Yes, any of the kids could leave but I don't think it's fair to act like if they were unhappy it would be so easy to leave just because their parents wouldn't run after them with a rifle. There's plenty of ways to make someone feel trapped without using a weapon.

Maggie0829

bethsmiles said:

thisismynickname said:

Eh, I don't have a problem with them. I generally have a "live and let live" attitude. If they're happy, fine. If any of those girls aren't happy, they can find a boy, have premarital sex, and run off to some other state and live how they want. Surely all the parents would do is pray hard for them, not run after them with a rifle.  

I'm actually morbidly fascinated to watch Jill's wedding episode. 

Because it's totally that easy when you've grown up in a household like that. Yes, any of the kids could leave but I don't think it's fair to act like if they were unhappy it would be so easy to leave just because their parents wouldn't run after them with a rifle. There's plenty of ways to make someone feel trapped without using a weapon.

Like the fact that they will burn in hell for all eternity (or so they are told from the moment that they are born) and they will no longer have any contact with any family members or friends of the community that they grew up in.  A person in that family would need to be very strong emotionally to actually leave.

jdluvr06

They seem happy so I guess I'm happy for them.

themuffinman16

I have to say the creepiest moment of watching the Duggars was when Michelle had her miscarriage.  I heard that they are not allowed to show that they are upset or unhappy because it is disrespectful to the lord for giving them that precious life. I, then, saw a rerun of the episode where Michelle lost the baby and she did not frown the entire time. She was crying, but smiled when telling her kids the news.  It was extremely upsetting to me, that in a moment of intense grief, she is not allowed to portray any sentiment of unhappiness. Since then, and the courtship episodes where your youngest brother gets to be the girls' boss when these girls are 21 years old, and he is their authority and chaperone, I dry heave every time I see their shows.  I'm sure their couches get treated with more respect than the Duggar girls.

PrincessOfHavoc

Having had a very unfortunate meeting with the cult, yeah. I only think hideously inappropriate names towards them.

Hey Evil Bitch and Whacked Out Creep - raise your own damn crotch spawn. Don't make older crotch spawn do the job.

And fuck blanket training sideways. That's not parenting, that's child abuse.

That's me at my absolute nicest towards them.

pumpkincreamcake15

They are just creepy . What is blanket training? The name alone sounds wacky.

ohannabelle

I refuse to watch JimBob and his DIY cult. Those children are oppressed, brainwashed from birth into believing that their only future involves pooping out babies to please God. I think it's tragic.

gladyscf

PrincessOfHavoc said:

Having had a very unfortunate meeting with the cult, yeah. I only think hideously inappropriate names towards them. Hey Evil Bitch and Whacked Out Creep - raise your own damn crotch spawn. Don't make older crotch spawn do the job. And fuck blanket training sideways. That's not parenting, that's child abuse. That's me at my absolute nicest towards them.

Favorite thing I've read on the internet today!

princessleia22

It bothers me that these girls are expected to instantly start their own large family... and the attitude that girls are only good for procreation and motherhood.  Even Michelle & Jim Bob didn't have kids right away.  Michelle was on birth control after they got married and they waited four years to have kids! Yet, it's kind of assumed and expected that the kids will get married and immediately have babies and will of course choose to have 20+ kids of their own. And so far they seem to be living up to that expectation.

And yeah, that comment about men being the leaders is kind of disturbing.

 

thisismynickname2

Maggie0829 said:

bethsmiles said:

thisismynickname said:

Eh, I don't have a problem with them. I generally have a "live and let live" attitude. If they're happy, fine. If any of those girls aren't happy, they can find a boy, have premarital sex, and run off to some other state and live how they want. Surely all the parents would do is pray hard for them, not run after them with a rifle.  

I'm actually morbidly fascinated to watch Jill's wedding episode. 

Because it's totally that easy when you've grown up in a household like that. Yes, any of the kids could leave but I don't think it's fair to act like if they were unhappy it would be so easy to leave just because their parents wouldn't run after them with a rifle. There's plenty of ways to make someone feel trapped without using a weapon.

Like the fact that they will burn in hell for all eternity (or so they are told from the moment that they are born) and they will no longer have any contact with any family members or friends of the community that they grew up in.  A person in that family would need to be very strong emotionally to actually leave.

You know what? This topic gets me a little bent out of shape.  It really bothers me when people rail against the religious for being a certain way and for trying to spread their beliefs. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Just because it appears none of us were raised like the Duggars, we're going to sit here and claim they're cultish and brainwashed?  Because they should totally be off dating whomever they want, getting higher education, and pursuing their own lives besides marrying young and popping out babies?  So what if they're raised to defer to men and be homemakers? As long as they're not going to you (general you) personally and telling you that you should obey and defer to your husband and have babies, what do you care?  They think we're going to hell, but you're somehow better than them and think they're brainwashed. This clearly goes both ways, and it's dumb. 

They seem happy. Reality TV thrives on drama and there appears to be none with them. They share a community with people who seem perfectly fine to share their belief system.  Watching that show isn't going to turn me in a submissive homemaker.  If they weren't on TV I wouldn't have the slightest clue on how some big family in Arkansas chooses to live, nor would I give a shit. 

Sure, we can turn this into a women's lib conversation, but how is promoting women's lib left and right any different from them promoting their religious beliefs? Just because we live in a much more progressive society now means everyone must be off having sex and pursing careers outside the home?  Isn't women's lib partly about having a choice, not conforming? 

I'm sure you all will school me on this, and I practically slept through my one and only women's studies course in college, but live and let live. I'm going back to my career duties now. 

chibiyui

thisismynickname said:

Maggie0829 said:

bethsmiles said:

thisismynickname said:

Eh, I don't have a problem with them. I generally have a "live and let live" attitude. If they're happy, fine. If any of those girls aren't happy, they can find a boy, have premarital sex, and run off to some other state and live how they want. Surely all the parents would do is pray hard for them, not run after them with a rifle.  

I'm actually morbidly fascinated to watch Jill's wedding episode. 

Because it's totally that easy when you've grown up in a household like that. Yes, any of the kids could leave but I don't think it's fair to act like if they were unhappy it would be so easy to leave just because their parents wouldn't run after them with a rifle. There's plenty of ways to make someone feel trapped without using a weapon.

Like the fact that they will burn in hell for all eternity (or so they are told from the moment that they are born) and they will no longer have any contact with any family members or friends of the community that they grew up in.  A person in that family would need to be very strong emotionally to actually leave.


You know what? This topic gets me a little bent out of shape.  It really bothers me when people rail against the religious for being a certain way and for trying to spread their beliefs. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Just because it appears none of us were raised like the Duggars, we're going to sit here and claim they're cultish and brainwashed?  Because they should totally be off dating whomever they want, getting higher education, and pursuing their own lives besides marrying young and popping out babies?  So what if they're raised to defer to men and be homemakers? As long as they're not going to you (general you) personally and telling you that you should obey and defer to your husband and have babies, what do you care?  They think we're going to hell, but you're somehow better than them and think they're brainwashed. This clearly goes both ways, and it's dumb. 

They seem happy. Reality TV thrives on drama and there appears to be none with them. They share a community with people who seem perfectly fine to share their belief system.  Watching that show isn't going to turn me in a submissive homemaker.  If they weren't on TV I wouldn't have the slightest clue on how some big family in Arkansas chooses to live, nor would I give a shit. 

Sure, we can turn this into a women's lib conversation, but how is promoting women's lib left and right any different from them promoting their religious beliefs? Just because we live in a much more progressive society now means everyone must be off having sex and pursing careers outside the home?  Isn't women's lib partly about having a choice, not conforming? 

I'm sure you all will school me on this, and I practically slept through my one and only women's studies course in college, but live and let live. I'm going back to my career duties now. 

Some subcultures are toxic. Should we not criticize FDLS for child brides and forced polygamy because some of them are happy? Is Quiverfull teaching that your husband is right about all things, even if he beats you ok because some women aren't beaten by their husbands?

I don't give a fuck about Michelle and Jim Bob. They're adults. But when you're shipping your daughters off to special camps if the show any sign of not being a door mat, then yes, you're a terrible parent and you are brainwashing your kids.

amelisha

thisismynickname said:

Maggie0829 said:

bethsmiles said:

thisismynickname said:

Eh, I don't have a problem with them. I generally have a "live and let live" attitude. If they're happy, fine. If any of those girls aren't happy, they can find a boy, have premarital sex, and run off to some other state and live how they want. Surely all the parents would do is pray hard for them, not run after them with a rifle.  

I'm actually morbidly fascinated to watch Jill's wedding episode. 

Because it's totally that easy when you've grown up in a household like that. Yes, any of the kids could leave but I don't think it's fair to act like if they were unhappy it would be so easy to leave just because their parents wouldn't run after them with a rifle. There's plenty of ways to make someone feel trapped without using a weapon.

Like the fact that they will burn in hell for all eternity (or so they are told from the moment that they are born) and they will no longer have any contact with any family members or friends of the community that they grew up in.  A person in that family would need to be very strong emotionally to actually leave.

You know what? This topic gets me a little bent out of shape.  It really bothers me when people rail against the religious for being a certain way and for trying to spread their beliefs. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Just because it appears none of us were raised like the Duggars, we're going to sit here and claim they're cultish and brainwashed?  Because they should totally be off dating whomever they want, getting higher education, and pursuing their own lives besides marrying young and popping out babies?  So what if they're raised to defer to men and be homemakers? As long as they're not going to you (general you) personally and telling you that you should obey and defer to your husband and have babies, what do you care?  They think we're going to hell, but you're somehow better than them and think they're brainwashed. This clearly goes both ways, and it's dumb. 

They seem happy. Reality TV thrives on drama and there appears to be none with them. They share a community with people who seem perfectly fine to share their belief system.  Watching that show isn't going to turn me in a submissive homemaker.  If they weren't on TV I wouldn't have the slightest clue on how some big family in Arkansas chooses to live, nor would I give a shit. 

Sure, we can turn this into a women's lib conversation, but how is promoting women's lib left and right any different from them promoting their religious beliefs? Just because we live in a much more progressive society now means everyone must be off having sex and pursing careers outside the home?  Isn't women's lib partly about having a choice, not conforming? 

I'm sure you all will school me on this, and I practically slept through my one and only women's studies course in college, but live and let live. I'm going back to my career duties now. 

In my opinion, the difference is that these girls don't have the choice. They have been raised to believe that this is the only way and threatened with hellfire and brimstone and god knows what else for those that don't comply, you know? On top of that, they are homeschooled, not given access to media (except the girls once they are safely engaged- they are permitted some social media. The boys, though, can't even go on the computer without a female chaperone - the older girls and Michelle have the passwords, but no one else.) And let's not get started on their "training" methods. It's cruel.

I have no problem whatsoever with women who CHOOSE this kind of lifestyle if they truly have been given freedom to make the decision. If a woman who does not believe she will suffer dire consequences for noncompliance wants to stay home and defer to her husband all day, I'm fine with that. Frankly, sometimes I think it would be a relief to sit back and let someone else make all my tough choices and take care of me, so I get it. But if the only thing you know from your earliest childhood is Biblical consequence and homeschool and "obey, obey, obey" then it isn't really a choice at all. And that is really sad, in my opinion.

I'd feel differently if these kids got to read non-Christian books and had been given some secular education and had spent time outside of the family/religious circle. But as it stands, I consider it basically brainwashing.

And the reason that I don't consider myself to be brainwashed in the other direction is that I have gone to church, been educated in the religious perspective, and have generally been told all my life that there are many, many paths my life can take. I wasn't pushed into one only and kept ignorant of the other options.  It's not really comparable at all. If I'd decided to be a faithful Catholic (what I was baptized), get married young and have a lot of kids, my parents would have supported that. If I'd decided to stay single, convert to Paganism, and study fine arts, that would have been okay too. My current career/relationship path is good for them as well. They want me to be happy and understand that there's more than one way. The Duggars,,,would not support those choices if their kids made them.