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I think we need to postpone the wedding.

I don't even know where to start.  TLDR: my dental work is now costing twice as much and we can't afford the wedding, not even close.

The dentist got in touch with me last night to inform me that apparently they didn't have the correct info in the system last time they estimated my cost, and my insurance may not cover as much as they thought would be covered.  So the out of pocket cost for my oral surgery and restoration has now gone from $9000 to about $17000.  I can't even process this information fully.  I obviously expressed my surprise and told them that's just way out of our ability to afford.  I asked if they can do anything at cost considering they gave me misinformation the first time around, and whether there are any things we can downgrade or otherwise make more affordable.  I'm hearing back from them on Monday, but I don't expect them to be able to take the price back down to what it originally was.  To the best of my ability to understand, the first estimate was missing some things and this amount is closer to the normal market cost, so I don't expect to save money by going elsewhere (although I will look into it).

We were already stretched to the breaking point with budgeting for $9000 and had chopped everything out of our wedding budget that we possibly could while maintaining this venue and date (keeping our invites down to the venue minimum, favors, programs, menus, hair and makeup, limo, ceremony flowers).  There is just nothing else we can do to cut the cost with our current plans that we haven't already done.

I think I'm realizing that we just can't afford this wedding now and it's breaking my heart.

I don't really know what to do.  Fi thinks if it comes down to it we should postpone to the fall.  See if our vendors will work with us to keep our deposits if we still use their services but change the date.  I guess this makes the most sense.  We will wind up paying a lot more per head though, because we have last year's price locked in and May is an off month for our venue.  If we move it to September or October, those are popular months and we would now be paying 2015 prices.

FILs were very consoling but didn't make a lot of sense.  FMIL said something along the lines of, "You deserve this wedding and you have already made compromises to afford it and you shouldn't change it now."  Well fine... that's great.... but it's not possible right now.

My family was... less supportive.  My dad didn't say anything (but at least listened).  My SM said we could always "get married where we got married.  You don't need your friends there.  It was $500 for the park and a couple thousand for the food.  None of this will matter later when you look back on it."  I know she was trying to help but the effect was just to make me feel selfish and petty for wanting a big, dinner and dancing wedding.  I already know my dad is throwing a lot of judgment at our plans and no, we don't want the same wedding you had.  That wedding was appropriate for them but it's not what we want and it's not what we've been planning for two years.

Two years.  We've been engaged for two years.  If we wanted a small wedding, we'd have gotten married two years ago.  We've been planning this wedding for two years and we're now in the last six months.  We sent STDs.  We paid deposits.  I have been telling everyone for a year that our wedding date is May 30, 2015.  I don't want to wait yet another six months to get married.  Plan A was to get married fall of 2014.  This wedding was already Plan B (and certainly not our dream venue at all).  Now we are going to Plan C?

I know I have to wait until I talk to the dentist to figure it out.  I may seek another (fourth?) opinion.  I just don't know what to do or how to go about any of this.
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  • This super sucks.  I'm sorry you're having to think about this.  I have no advice, so just hugs.  

  • *hugs* I'm so sorry. I can't even imagine all the emotions you are going through.

    Is it possible you could stretch the dental work out over a longer period of time so it wasn't as much of a financial burden? I'm sorry I don't remember what all you are having done so I don't know if it all needs to be done at once or could be done in small segments.

    I would definitely get at least another dentist's estimate because it never hurts to ask.

    As for the wedding, take a couple days to let this sink in (and to hear back from your dentist) before you start making any decisions. 

    For now I suggest lots and lots of wine. Try not to panic too much until you hear back from them on Monday. Quite frankly almost doubling the price on you is completely unacceptable. That's not a small error, that is huge. They should be doing everything they can to accommodate you.

    I'll be sending lots of vibes your way. I hope this was some sort of horrible mistake.


  • @bethsmiles Thanks.  I am having my five top front teeth extracted and replaced with implants.  The teeth were damaged by my braces as a teenager and the roots can't be saved, so they have to come out.  This happens basically in two procedures.  At the first appointment I have the extractions, the implants go in, and temporary crowns.  Then I come back a few weeks later for permanent crowns.  

    One option I asked the dentist about yesterday was whether I can get away with wearing the temporary longer so as to put off the cost of the permanent crowns.  I don't think I can do that until June, though.  :-(
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  • Ugh...that really sucks. Well I really hope something works out for you!


  • Have you considered calling dentists out of your area? A few years ago I needed an MRI and with my high deductible insurance I was nervous about the cost. I called the place here in NY and was quoted $3300. I got it done in Lancaster PA for $380 with no insurance.

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  • luckya23 said:
    Have you considered calling dentists out of your area? A few years ago I needed an MRI and with my high deductible insurance I was nervous about the cost. I called the place here in NY and was quoted $3300. I got it done in Lancaster PA for $380 with no insurance.
    I just can't imagine traveling for a procedure like this.  I'm going to feel like shit afterwards and Fi doesn't have any more vacation days left this year.  It's also really hard for me to take time off of work so I can't really take off before/after for travel.  I am definitely having it done in NJ though, not NYC.  I think already that brought the cost down a bit.
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  • That really sucks. I hope that every thing works out with the dentist. Like Beth said see if you can get other estimates. Don't panic yet, let everything sink in and wait until you hear back from the dentist.

    As for to the wedding. If you have to postpone it will suck. When we had to postpone our first go at the wedding it was heartbreaking. So I really feel your pain. It was the right decision but it sucked. Sending you tons of hugs and positive thoughts.
  • Ugh I'm soooo sorry to hear this.

    Do you have to get the dental work now, or is it something that can wait until next year? If it has to be done now, this is another suggestion. I don't think going into debt for a wedding is a great idea,but depending on how much more you guys have left to pay, is it possible to maybe put some of the payments on credit cards, and pay it off within a few months?

    In the meantime definitely research all your options for your dental work. If you'd like, I can give you my dentists info. I have no idea how he is price wise for this kind of stuff, but it may be worth checking out!
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  • levioosalevioosa member
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    I'm so sorry to hear this.  Ditto looking for more quotes.  Is there any legal way they have to stick to their original estimate? Is your insurance broad, or does it have a dental specific plan attached?  If it is broad, would a specific dental plan cover more, and would you/could you sign up for dental for the new year in order to cut the huge cost of getting it done?

     *Hugs* and wine. I'm sorry. This blows. 


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  • Oh no that sucks so much!!! Am sending you all the hugs. Do try to look into your insurance a bit more, you never know. In any case I wish you good luck with your dental work and hopefully it won't take too long until you can afford that wedding again :)
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  • Oh, no! Big Internet hugs and vibes that it works out!
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  • I'm so sorry this is happening to you!

    Is there any way that you can talk to the venue to see if you can break up the venue/vendor payments to make them more reasonable? Another PP said this, if its a thing of having the money just some months later, is there any way you can pay with some things with CC and then pay them off immediately? Just to make the cash strap a bit looser? 
    Also, in that line, is there anyway to pay what you were prepared to pay in regards to the dentist originally and then finance the difference? 

    You have put so much time and effort into everything os far, there has to be that 4th option somewhere that allows your plans to move forward - everything ALWAYS works out in the end. NO matter how upsetting it might seem right now.

    Maybe if we all brainstorm together we can try to figure something out :)
    In the mean time, i'm sending you lots of positive vibes and hugs and all the virtual wine you need.
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  • My mom had dental work done a few years ago, and she told them she didn't have any insurance (even though she did) and would be paying out of pocket for the procedure. Her quote was at least 1/3 less than the quote she got when she said she had insurance. I'm not sure why that is, but maybe you can try that when you go get another quote. Good luck!
  • I'm really sorry you're going through this. I agree with the other PPs about seeking out other dentists. As for your venue, tell them you may have to switch the date. FI and I were originally going to get married in August, but then switched it to December, and the price stayed the same. We did have to pay a $1500 date change fee, which sucked, but they let us pay that in increments. They won't want to lose you as a client, and venues always want referrals, so I'm sure they will be able to work with you. Good luck and lots of hugs!

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  • I'm so sorry this is happening! I would never normally suggest this, but if the 1k extra is whats going to break the budget I would probably put it on a cc. You just started the big firm job right within the last couple months? Obv I don't know your financial situation I am sure there are tons of loans, etc, but I feel like 6 months from now you guys are going to be in a better financial place. If you guys dont have a cc or many cc I would think about opening one that has zero interest for the first year. Only you guys can know if that would work for you though. I am sending hugs!

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  • Ugh honey I'm so sorry. I would really be directing all my best lawyering toward that dentist because that's a load of horse shit. Definitely don't make any rash decisions.

    I wish I had a better solution for you. :( Hang in there.

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  • Oh no, that's awful to hear and I'm sorry you're going through all this! I can't get over how expensive dental work can be, it's insane. Hopefully your vendors are willing to work something out with you, I have my fingers crossed!

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  • I'm so sorry this is happening! I would never normally suggest this, but if the 1k extra is whats going to break the budget I would probably put it on a cc. You just started the big firm job right within the last couple months? Obv I don't know your financial situation I am sure there are tons of loans, etc, but I feel like 6 months from now you guys are going to be in a better financial place. If you guys dont have a cc or many cc I would think about opening one that has zero interest for the first year. Only you guys can know if that would work for you though. I am sending hugs!
    I agree with this. You should just get a low interest/0 interest cc and pay the difference for either your wedding or the dental procedure. Moving it from May to September is only 4 months. Even if you had to pay interest for a few months, it's not the end of the world. I don't see how moving your wedding a 4-5 months later changes much. Especially if you may have to pay more for your wedding, or might lose your deposits.

    Also, could you call your student loan company and ask for a reduction in your payments for a short period of time?
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  • I'm really sorry, that stinks. I would personally cut half my guest list or scale back on the wedding but i know thats not really what you want and it would be a disappointment to you. I hope you are able to figure something out with your dentist or a new dentist. I know this probably doesnt matter now, but did you ever take action against the orthodontist who caused this? I feel like there should be a settlement of some sort to help repair what he did.

                                                                     

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  • Oh I'm so sorry JC. I have no advice, but I do have hugs and wine!

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  • So many hugs. I would get a second opinion regarding the dental work. That dentist and his staff don't sound too good.
  • I'm so sorry. I wish I had some advice. Does the dental work need to be done ASAP?
  • Thanks everyone.  I really appreciate the brainstorming!!!

    To answer a few questions:
    -- I'm pretty sure the dental work needs to be done soon.  The X-rays are scary, you can really see there is almost no root left to my teeth.  I've already put it off for 8-9 months since I found out about the problem to wait until I had this job.  Several of my teeth are already wiggly.  If I don't do the dental work they may just fall out on their own.
    -- I will look into taking action against the ortho but I'm 90% sure it's outside the statute of limitations.  This happened a long time ago and I just wasn't aware.  Medical malpractice generally has a stricter statute of limitations than other types of lawsuits, because the doctor lobby is so strong.  To my knowledge, you have 2.5 years from the time the injury occurred (not from the time you found out about it).  This happened almost ten years ago and I only just found out about it recently.
    -- This dentist already was my third opinion, and the dentist that I liked dramatically better than the first two.  His staff seems to be a mess but he is great and my sister has seen a lot of his work because, of course, she works in his office.  I'm considering seeking another opinion but I'm pretty sure any other dentist would tell me the same thing.
    -- The general problem with going somewhere else is that we scheduled this to use my 2014 and 2015 benefits: implants with 2014 insurance, crowns with 2015 insurance (max per calendar year is $2000).  If I go somewhere else they probably can't fit me in before the end of the year and I would lose that $2000 of 2014 coverage.
    -- Doing some kind of CC or financing is an option, but it would be a LOT and I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that.  I think my venue will accept a credit card at least for some deposits.  As for the teeth, the plan was already to finance the $9000.  I qualified for CareCredit and can get interest-free payments for a year, which was working out to around $750 per month already.  My plan was to pay the minimums (around $300) until the wedding and then pay the rest off afterwards.  I only qualified for $9000 CareCredit anyway, so I don't know how I would finance the other $8000 or however much is extra now.  I'd have to put it on a regular CC and pay interest which would be huge on that amount.  The only other option I can think of is to get a personal loan.  Depending on the amount I could qualify for, I could use the loan for the teeth and some wedding expenses if there's enough credit limit.  I just don't know if I'm comfortable doing that.
    -- I haven't completely run the numbers to see how long we'd have to postpone to save up enough money for the teeth AND the wedding.  We are saving at a rate of around $3500 per month, so theoretically just to purely make up the difference is around three or four months.  But if we start losing deposits that's more we have to save.
    -- If we could slash the guest list and keep our same venue we would.  But we have a minimum of 150 so we can't go below that or we'll just be wasting money.  If we wanted to REALLY slash the guest list we'd have to move our venue and lose the deposit.  That might be an option.  We only sent out STDs to about half the guest list so we could do it without "uninviting."  But Fi really wants certain extended family members there.
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  • In my area there are lots of dentists that are willing to put you on a payment plan so you get the dental work and then just pay them back. It's essentially a loan from the dentist.  Is that an option?

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    In my area there are lots of dentists that are willing to put you on a payment plan so you get the dental work and then just pay them back. It's essentially a loan from the dentist.  Is that an option?

    Yes-- I can get CareCredit but I'm only approved for $9000.

    ETA: but also to put this amount in perspective.  Even if I qualified, to pay this amount off within the interest-free year would be payments of around $1500 per month.
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  • Uggghhh, so sorry you're going through this!  If it were me, I'd probably look into getting a personal loan since due to the circumstances.  The teeth can't seem to wait and the wedding already has been postponed once and you have deposits down, STDs out, etc.  Then I'd work to pay off that loan as soon as possible.  Good luck!
  • This sucks. I've never really understood why essential dental work is not covered by medical insurance - heck, we need our teeth to eat, and hence to survive! There are far more frivolous things that you can get medical insurance coverage for (e.g. nose jobs for snoring). Yet another reason why our healthcare system in this country is so broken...
  • Does your employer offer an Flexible Spending Plan?  It has a maximum contribution of $2,550 for 2015 but most plans allow you to make the election for the 2015 calendar year, your payroll deducts it tax free out of your paycheck for the whole year but you can use ALL of the elected money beginning January 1.  Mine wasn't as expensive but it is how I funded $1,900 of dental work that I found out I needed.  I scheduled the work for Jan 2nd and was able to use my previous year FSA election because my plan had a rollover feature plus my election for the current year.

    The other thing I ended up doing is my oral surgeon actually practiced out of 3 different offices - I talked to him about doing the procedure in his private practice office (which was only about 12 miles further from my house) and I was able to get the cost down by an extra $500.  Not much in the grand scheme but its still a savings.
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  • I'm an idiot- I was reading that number as 900 and 1700, not 17,000- thats why I was so pro cc because I thought it was only about an $800 increase. That's a shit ton of money. I'm really sorry- there is no easy answer to this!

    To ths statute of limitations question though, I would bet money its when you know about the injury. I think there is the famous case about a surgery and they left a sponge in. The sponge didn't cause problems until years later but you can't hold the patient to the actual injury if they have no way of knowing.


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