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  • @SBmini so you want to be able to offend people rather then taking a split second to think "How are my words going to impact another human?"....oh yeah I long for the days were people called me a fucking dyke and no one said shit because "they're just words". Yeah...those were the days.
  • FiancB said:
    I've heard the dollar tree tests actually work better than the more expensive ones, but I think it's worth $7 to not pee on my hands. 
    I pee in a cup then dip the stick in.  But I also stocked up on the generic ones from Target since I had a good coupon.
    I've been buying ClearBlue in bulk at Costco... but "bulk" only means, like, four tests per box, so it's not really that impressive. Would be hilarious if there were ten or more.
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  • MagicInk said:
    @SBmini so you want to be able to offend people rather then taking a split second to think "How are my words going to impact another human?"....oh yeah I long for the days were people called me a fucking dyke and no one said shit because "they're just words". Yeah...those were the days.
    You are putting words into my mouth and choosing to interpret my thoughts in a way that is completely counter to what I am trying to say. No where did I say that people should use slurs.
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  • SBmini said:
    MagicInk said:
    @SBmini so you want to be able to offend people rather then taking a split second to think "How are my words going to impact another human?"....oh yeah I long for the days were people called me a fucking dyke and no one said shit because "they're just words". Yeah...those were the days.
    You are putting words into my mouth and choosing to interpret my thoughts in a way that is completely counter to what I am trying to say. No where did I say that people should use slurs.
    You said we used to not be afraid to offend and now we are. So what did you mean? Some of those offensive things were slurs. But we didn't call them slurs. They were just words used to describe a group of people. Like colored. We don't call African Americans colored anymore. But it's not a slur. It's just offensive. 

    Differentiating between sex and gender is important. Because gender is fluid and non-binary. It's not just male and female. There's a whole world of in between. Sex simply refers to what you have in between your legs. That's a lot more black and white.
  • AprilH81 said:
    If they were true pregnancy symptoms and not just PMS the test would turn positive.  It is just our bodies like to play tricks on us and sore boobs (along with other symptoms) can mean both PMS and pregnancy.
    I've heard of plenty of people who had a false negative after having symptoms. I think we can psych ourselves into feeling things early sometimes, or have them caused by different reasons... like I had really sore boobs after going off the pill because of my body adjusting to the change in hormones. I wasn't pregnant, but it also wasn't PMS. I could have taken a test due to sore boobs and gotten a negative before having adequate hormones to cause a positive. You could throw up from some bad chicken, think it's morning sickness, take a test and get a negative but still be very early pregnant. It also depends what the "early symptoms" are that she's talking about. Spotting could indicate your period about to start, or it could be implantation bleeding - in both cases you'd get a negative pregnancy test. There are lots of causes of cramping that can happen at all sorts of times.
    I don't want this to turn into a "Bump style" arguement, but...  ;)

    If you get sore boobs and take a test and you get a negative you are not pregnant as of the date you take a test.  If you take another text in a week and it is positive the first test was not a false negative, you got pregnant and your body starting producing hormones between taking the two tests.  The sore boobs that prompted the first test was not a pregnancy symptom, it was random soreness.  The same thing would happen with the bad chicken/morning sickness. Make sense? Even if an egg had been fertilized at the occurrence of the "symptom" if it had not implanted you wouldn't be having pregnancy symptoms because your body isn't producing the hormones that can lead to the symptoms.

    Every cycle is different, you can ovulate on different dates, the time between fertilization and implantation varies (usually between 10-14 days from what I have read) so a lot of times you think you are "late" when you actually ovulated later than what you thought.


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  • AprilH81 said:
    AprilH81 said:
    If they were true pregnancy symptoms and not just PMS the test would turn positive.  It is just our bodies like to play tricks on us and sore boobs (along with other symptoms) can mean both PMS and pregnancy.
    I've heard of plenty of people who had a false negative after having symptoms. I think we can psych ourselves into feeling things early sometimes, or have them caused by different reasons... like I had really sore boobs after going off the pill because of my body adjusting to the change in hormones. I wasn't pregnant, but it also wasn't PMS. I could have taken a test due to sore boobs and gotten a negative before having adequate hormones to cause a positive. You could throw up from some bad chicken, think it's morning sickness, take a test and get a negative but still be very early pregnant. It also depends what the "early symptoms" are that she's talking about. Spotting could indicate your period about to start, or it could be implantation bleeding - in both cases you'd get a negative pregnancy test. There are lots of causes of cramping that can happen at all sorts of times.
    I don't want this to turn into a "Bump style" arguement, but...  ;)

    If you get sore boobs and take a test and you get a negative you are not pregnant as of the date you take a test.  If you take another text in a week and it is positive the first test was not a false negative, you got pregnant and your body starting producing hormones between taking the two tests.  The sore boobs that prompted the first test was not a pregnancy symptom, it was random soreness.  The same thing would happen with the bad chicken/morning sickness. Make sense? Even if an egg had been fertilized at the occurrence of the "symptom" if it had not implanted you wouldn't be having pregnancy symptoms because your body isn't producing the hormones that can lead to the symptoms.

    Every cycle is different, you can ovulate on different dates, the time between fertilization and implantation varies (usually between 10-14 days from what I have read) so a lot of times you think you are "late" when you actually ovulated later than what you thought.


    You're splitting hairs on when pregnancy is defined. In the above scenario, your actions between when you took the first and second tests wouldn't have been what got you pregnant. The ball likely already started rolling. I could take a test today, get a negative, not have sex again for 3 weeks and still be pregnant by the end of those 3 weeks. But what peace of mind would that early test give me? Flan is looking for accurate knowledge about whether she's becoming a parent within 40 weeks, not a specific answer of whether an egg has implanted as of this moment. In that case, she's probably best waiting until she's sure a test would be accurate, so that a negative result doesn't give her false peace of mind or lingering doubt.

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  • AprilH81 said:
    AprilH81 said:
    If they were true pregnancy symptoms and not just PMS the test would turn positive.  It is just our bodies like to play tricks on us and sore boobs (along with other symptoms) can mean both PMS and pregnancy.
    I've heard of plenty of people who had a false negative after having symptoms. I think we can psych ourselves into feeling things early sometimes, or have them caused by different reasons... like I had really sore boobs after going off the pill because of my body adjusting to the change in hormones. I wasn't pregnant, but it also wasn't PMS. I could have taken a test due to sore boobs and gotten a negative before having adequate hormones to cause a positive. You could throw up from some bad chicken, think it's morning sickness, take a test and get a negative but still be very early pregnant. It also depends what the "early symptoms" are that she's talking about. Spotting could indicate your period about to start, or it could be implantation bleeding - in both cases you'd get a negative pregnancy test. There are lots of causes of cramping that can happen at all sorts of times.
    I don't want this to turn into a "Bump style" arguement, but...  ;)

    If you get sore boobs and take a test and you get a negative you are not pregnant as of the date you take a test.  If you take another text in a week and it is positive the first test was not a false negative, you got pregnant and your body starting producing hormones between taking the two tests.  The sore boobs that prompted the first test was not a pregnancy symptom, it was random soreness.  The same thing would happen with the bad chicken/morning sickness. Make sense? Even if an egg had been fertilized at the occurrence of the "symptom" if it had not implanted you wouldn't be having pregnancy symptoms because your body isn't producing the hormones that can lead to the symptoms.

    Every cycle is different, you can ovulate on different dates, the time between fertilization and implantation varies (usually between 10-14 days from what I have read) so a lot of times you think you are "late" when you actually ovulated later than what you thought.


    You're splitting hairs on when pregnancy is defined. In the above scenario, your actions between when you took the first and second tests wouldn't have been what got you pregnant. The ball likely already started rolling. I could take a test today, get a negative, not have sex again for 3 weeks and still be pregnant by the end of those 3 weeks. But what peace of mind would that early test give me? Flan is looking for accurate knowledge about whether she's becoming a parent within 40 weeks, not a specific answer of whether an egg has implanted as of this moment. In that case, she's probably best waiting until she's sure a test would be accurate, so that a negative result doesn't give her false peace of mind or lingering doubt.
    We can agree to disagree and Flan can take a test (or not take a test) when she feels she is ready.

    But out of curiosity when do you think pregnancy starts?  (not snark, curious why you think I'm splitting hairs)

    Personally I think life begins at conception, but you aren't pregnant until the egg actually implants.

     
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  • edited January 2015
    AprilH81 said:
    Personally I think life begins at conception, but you aren't pregnant until the egg actually implants.

     

    Ditto.  FWIW, my NFP instructor tells me not to take a test until I'm 10DPO (days post ovulation).  
  • maeday2maeday2 member
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    edited January 2015
    Using Merry Christmas around the holiday season is not the same as mixing up the terms "sex" and "gender". Like not even close or at all. It's simply incorrect to refer to someone's chromosomal make up (i.e. XX - girl or XY - male) as "gender". In the same way it would be incorrect to say "Pat's identified sex is male." Um, what? Pat's SEX is female, and his identified GENDER is male.

    One is an issue of being PC/"sensitivity" as you state - the issue of defaulting to Merry Christmas. And one is simply an issue of fact - using the terms "sex" and "gender" correctly.

    They are two different words and have different meanings. It's not an issue of being PC, it an issue of being right or wrong. So it's not like people are "overly sensitive" by making this distinction - they're correcting a misuse of the word. 
    You pretty well hit the nail on the head of what I wanted to say. 

    I genuinely am pleased when these debates come up, though. We are in such an awesome time of change and acceptance that these are the discussions that will further open someone's eyes.  

    It offers a different view point than someone may have previously been exposed to. Honestly, I thought the sex vs. gender was initially approached in a very polite way. I know there were PPs in this post that were thankful to learn of a new-to-them concept.  

    It's cliche, but knowledge is power. If you know consciously that your words could be offensive to someone due to incorrect usage, that's wrong. 
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  • AprilH81 said:
    AprilH81 said:
    AprilH81 said:
    If they were true pregnancy symptoms and not just PMS the test would turn positive.  It is just our bodies like to play tricks on us and sore boobs (along with other symptoms) can mean both PMS and pregnancy.
    I've heard of plenty of people who had a false negative after having symptoms. I think we can psych ourselves into feeling things early sometimes, or have them caused by different reasons... like I had really sore boobs after going off the pill because of my body adjusting to the change in hormones. I wasn't pregnant, but it also wasn't PMS. I could have taken a test due to sore boobs and gotten a negative before having adequate hormones to cause a positive. You could throw up from some bad chicken, think it's morning sickness, take a test and get a negative but still be very early pregnant. It also depends what the "early symptoms" are that she's talking about. Spotting could indicate your period about to start, or it could be implantation bleeding - in both cases you'd get a negative pregnancy test. There are lots of causes of cramping that can happen at all sorts of times.
    I don't want this to turn into a "Bump style" arguement, but...  ;)

    If you get sore boobs and take a test and you get a negative you are not pregnant as of the date you take a test.  If you take another text in a week and it is positive the first test was not a false negative, you got pregnant and your body starting producing hormones between taking the two tests.  The sore boobs that prompted the first test was not a pregnancy symptom, it was random soreness.  The same thing would happen with the bad chicken/morning sickness. Make sense? Even if an egg had been fertilized at the occurrence of the "symptom" if it had not implanted you wouldn't be having pregnancy symptoms because your body isn't producing the hormones that can lead to the symptoms.

    Every cycle is different, you can ovulate on different dates, the time between fertilization and implantation varies (usually between 10-14 days from what I have read) so a lot of times you think you are "late" when you actually ovulated later than what you thought.


    You're splitting hairs on when pregnancy is defined. In the above scenario, your actions between when you took the first and second tests wouldn't have been what got you pregnant. The ball likely already started rolling. I could take a test today, get a negative, not have sex again for 3 weeks and still be pregnant by the end of those 3 weeks. But what peace of mind would that early test give me? Flan is looking for accurate knowledge about whether she's becoming a parent within 40 weeks, not a specific answer of whether an egg has implanted as of this moment. In that case, she's probably best waiting until she's sure a test would be accurate, so that a negative result doesn't give her false peace of mind or lingering doubt.
    We can agree to disagree and Flan can take a test (or not take a test) when she feels she is ready.

    But out of curiosity when do you think pregnancy starts?  (not snark, curious why you think I'm splitting hairs)

    Personally I think life begins at conception, but you aren't pregnant until the egg actually implants.
    I have been following this conversation since y'all started because the first pregnancy test I took was negative and then the one I took 1 day later was positive. And my boobs were sore a few days before all that. 

    So I'm reading "What to Expect When..." because I don't know anything. And if I remember right, the zygote implants and then starts producing hCG. I'm not a scientist (where is that chick from the E board), but is it possible that it implants and the levels of hCG just aren't high enough to produce a positive result? But like, in my case, it does within a day or two?
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  • AprilH81 said:
    We can agree to disagree and Flan can take a test (or not take a test) when she feels she is ready.

    But out of curiosity when do you think pregnancy starts?  (not snark, curious why you think I'm splitting hairs)

    Personally I think life begins at conception, but you aren't pregnant until the egg actually implants.

     
    It's irrelevant to the point of this conversation. I said you were splitting hairs because regardless of whether you're scientifically or morally pregnant at any given point wouldn't be relevant to when a person who's nervous about being pregnant should take a test. You take a test when you want to know if there's a baby coming into your life imminently. If you take it too early, that negative result does nothing to ease your mind about your future just because you weren't hormonally pregnant at that moment. It might mean you're a little less nervous about drinking a few glasses of wine that particular night, but it shouldn't mean you should go ahead and book that skydiving trip 6 months from now just because "at this moment the egg is just fertilized but not implanted, so it's totally cool."

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  • maeday2 said:
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    Using Merry Christmas around the holiday season is not the same as mixing up the terms "sex" and "gender". Like not even close or at all. It's simply incorrect to refer to someone's chromosomal make up (i.e. XX - girl or XY - male) as "gender". In the same way it would be incorrect to say "Pat's identified sex is male." Um, what? Pat's SEX is female, and his identified GENDER is male.

    One is an issue of being PC/"sensitivity" as you state - the issue of defaulting to Merry Christmas. And one is simply an issue of fact - using the terms "sex" and "gender" correctly.

    They are two different words and have different meanings. It's not an issue of being PC, it an issue of being right or wrong. So it's not like people are "overly sensitive" by making this distinction - they're correcting a misuse of the word. 
    You pretty well hit the nail on the head of what I wanted to say. 

    I genuinely am pleased when these debates come up, though. We are in such an awesome time of change and acceptance that these are the discussions that will further open someone's eyes.  

    It offers a different view point than someone may have previously been exposed to. Honestly, I thought the sex vs. gender was initially approached in a very polite way. I know there were PPs in this post that were thankful to learn of a new-to-them concept.  

    It's cliche, but knowledge is power. If you know consciously that your words could be offensive to someone due to incorrect usage, that's wrong. 

    My two cents on this topic:

    I was a writing tutor in college, and I really appreciate it when people learn the words which mean the thing they want to express, and then use that vocabulary. All my ESL students were happy to pick up a new word so that they could express themselves more precisely and accurately. There is a reason there are two separate words for sex and gender. Even synonyms usually have slightly different connotations.

    The possibility of marginalizing someone is one result of using words imprecisely, which lends added importance to proper use, but I'd really appreciate the right words being used for the simple sake of clarity and education.

  • southernbelle0915, that is my understanding (sorry, I've had it with the quote boxes today).  I was hoping to be pregnant earlier this fall, and from what I heard from quite a few well-informed sources was that it can totally vary from woman to woman.  Also, you don't know how long it takes the fertilized egg to reach the uterus and implant.  My NFP instructor (who does this for a living) said she has seen a woman get a positive pregnancy test anywhere from 6-10 days post ovulation, and she's also seen people not get a positive until 17 days post ovulation.  It can all vary.

    (NFP = Natural Family Planning.  It's when you observe the natural signs of your body such as temperature and cervical mucus to determine when you are fertile).
  • AprilH81AprilH81 member
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    edited January 2015
    We can agree to disagree and Flan can take a test (or not take a test) when she feels she is ready.

    But out of curiosity when do you think pregnancy starts?  (not snark, curious why you think I'm splitting hairs)

    Personally I think life begins at conception, but you aren't pregnant until the egg actually implants.
    I have been following this conversation since y'all started because the first pregnancy test I took was negative and then the one I took 1 day later was positive. And my boobs were sore a few days before all that. 

    So I'm reading "What to Expect When..." because I don't know anything. And if I remember right, the zygote implants and then starts producing hCG. I'm not a scientist (where is that chick from the E board), but is it possible that it implants and the levels of hCG just aren't high enough to produce a positive result? But like, in my case, it does within a day or two?
    I'm not a scientist or a doctor and am not pregnant (disclaimer).

    I'm not sure exactly how quickly after implantation that your body starts to make the hCG, but it has to be pretty fast because the hCG is what triggers your body to keep temps high (to incubate) as the testosterone levels drop as the hormone leaves your system after ovulation.

    I know the home pregnancy tests are VERY sensitive and can detect a pregnancy before a missed period.

    A positive test soon after a negative test (in your case) I would think that implantation happened later and your body didn't have enough hormones to turn a test positive.

    It *is* possible that you had a faulty test but I don't know what the liklihood is.

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  • maeday2 said:
    It's cliche, but knowledge is power. If you know consciously that your words could be offensive to someone due to incorrect usage, that's wrong. 
    I agree with this, and I think I see the parallel with the Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays thing.  If I know that a person is a devout Christian and is going to have a preference of "Merry Christmas", then I say that.  If I know a person is atheist and takes offense to it, I say "Happy Holidays".  Likewise, if a person here has indicated that they take offense to not distinguishing between the terms sex and gender, then I will make a concerted effort to be more mindful in the future.  
  • AprilH81 said:
    AprilH81 said:
    AprilH81 said:
    If they were true pregnancy symptoms and not just PMS the test would turn positive.  It is just our bodies like to play tricks on us and sore boobs (along with other symptoms) can mean both PMS and pregnancy.
    I've heard of plenty of people who had a false negative after having symptoms. I think we can psych ourselves into feeling things early sometimes, or have them caused by different reasons... like I had really sore boobs after going off the pill because of my body adjusting to the change in hormones. I wasn't pregnant, but it also wasn't PMS. I could have taken a test due to sore boobs and gotten a negative before having adequate hormones to cause a positive. You could throw up from some bad chicken, think it's morning sickness, take a test and get a negative but still be very early pregnant. It also depends what the "early symptoms" are that she's talking about. Spotting could indicate your period about to start, or it could be implantation bleeding - in both cases you'd get a negative pregnancy test. There are lots of causes of cramping that can happen at all sorts of times.
    I don't want this to turn into a "Bump style" arguement, but...  ;)

    If you get sore boobs and take a test and you get a negative you are not pregnant as of the date you take a test.  If you take another text in a week and it is positive the first test was not a false negative, you got pregnant and your body starting producing hormones between taking the two tests.  The sore boobs that prompted the first test was not a pregnancy symptom, it was random soreness.  The same thing would happen with the bad chicken/morning sickness. Make sense? Even if an egg had been fertilized at the occurrence of the "symptom" if it had not implanted you wouldn't be having pregnancy symptoms because your body isn't producing the hormones that can lead to the symptoms.

    Every cycle is different, you can ovulate on different dates, the time between fertilization and implantation varies (usually between 10-14 days from what I have read) so a lot of times you think you are "late" when you actually ovulated later than what you thought.


    You're splitting hairs on when pregnancy is defined. In the above scenario, your actions between when you took the first and second tests wouldn't have been what got you pregnant. The ball likely already started rolling. I could take a test today, get a negative, not have sex again for 3 weeks and still be pregnant by the end of those 3 weeks. But what peace of mind would that early test give me? Flan is looking for accurate knowledge about whether she's becoming a parent within 40 weeks, not a specific answer of whether an egg has implanted as of this moment. In that case, she's probably best waiting until she's sure a test would be accurate, so that a negative result doesn't give her false peace of mind or lingering doubt.
    We can agree to disagree and Flan can take a test (or not take a test) when she feels she is ready.

    But out of curiosity when do you think pregnancy starts?  (not snark, curious why you think I'm splitting hairs)

    Personally I think life begins at conception, but you aren't pregnant until the egg actually implants.
    I have been following this conversation since y'all started because the first pregnancy test I took was negative and then the one I took 1 day later was positive. And my boobs were sore a few days before all that. 

    So I'm reading "What to Expect When..." because I don't know anything. And if I remember right, the zygote implants and then starts producing hCG. I'm not a scientist (where is that chick from the E board), but is it possible that it implants and the levels of hCG just aren't high enough to produce a positive result? But like, in my case, it does within a day or two?
    Who me?

    I don't know a whole lot beyond basic biology about reproduction, honestly.  My college mantra was "Say no to Zygotes, " lol!

    But I believe it's the placenta that starts producing hCG after implantation of the embryo has occurred.

    A zygote is the 1st stage after conception- after the sperm and egg fuse you have a single cell that has 46 chromosomes- 23 from mom and 23 from dad.  Then 24hours later cell division occurs and you now have the 1st stage of an embryo.

    "Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."


  • edited January 2015
    AprilH81 said:
    We can agree to disagree and Flan can take a test (or not take a test) when she feels she is ready.

    But out of curiosity when do you think pregnancy starts?  (not snark, curious why you think I'm splitting hairs)

    Personally I think life begins at conception, but you aren't pregnant until the egg actually implants.
    I have been following this conversation since y'all started because the first pregnancy test I took was negative and then the one I took 1 day later was positive. And my boobs were sore a few days before all that. 

    So I'm reading "What to Expect When..." because I don't know anything. And if I remember right, the zygote implants and then starts producing hCG. I'm not a scientist (where is that chick from the E board), but is it possible that it implants and the levels of hCG just aren't high enough to produce a positive result? But like, in my case, it does within a day or two?
    I'm not a scientist or a doctor and am not pregnant (disclaimer).

    I'm not sure exactly how quickly after implantation that your body starts to make the hCG, but it has to be pretty fast because the hCG is what triggers your body to keep temps high (to incubate) as the testosterone levels drop as the hormone leaves your system after ovulation.

    I know the home pregnancy tests are VERY sensitive and can detect a pregnancy before a missed period.

    A positive test soon after a negative test (in your case) I would think that implantation happened later and your body didn't have enough hormones to turn a test positive.

    It *is* possible that you had a faulty test but I don't know what the liklihood is.

    ETA: Edited to trim quote boxes.
    Your temps increase immediately after ovulation whether the egg gets fertilized or not. Only after 10 consecutive days of raised temperatures is it likely that you're pregnant. But if your temp is elevated for 9 days and then drops for a few, you're about to start your period.

    hCG production only begins after the embryo implants, and is only high enough to be detected by a blood test 10 days after that. Home tests can detect it within a few more days after that. Certain types of tests are more sensitive to lower levels than others. The levels double every 48-72 hours, so it's very likely to get a negative test on, say, 11DPO and positive on day 12.

    ETA this chart tells how likely you are to get a false pregnancy test by day, while actually ending up pregnant that cycle.

    Edited again to fix science vocab fail.

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  • AprilH81 said:
    We can agree to disagree and Flan can take a test (or not take a test) when she feels she is ready.

    But out of curiosity when do you think pregnancy starts?  (not snark, curious why you think I'm splitting hairs)

    Personally I think life begins at conception, but you aren't pregnant until the egg actually implants.
    I have been following this conversation since y'all started because the first pregnancy test I took was negative and then the one I took 1 day later was positive. And my boobs were sore a few days before all that. 

    So I'm reading "What to Expect When..." because I don't know anything. And if I remember right, the zygote implants and then starts producing hCG. I'm not a scientist (where is that chick from the E board), but is it possible that it implants and the levels of hCG just aren't high enough to produce a positive result? But like, in my case, it does within a day or two?
    I'm not a scientist or a doctor and am not pregnant (disclaimer).

    I'm not sure exactly how quickly after implantation that your body starts to make the hCG, but it has to be pretty fast because the hCG is what triggers your body to keep temps high (to incubate) as the testosterone levels drop as the hormone leaves your system after ovulation.

    I know the home pregnancy tests are VERY sensitive and can detect a pregnancy before a missed period.

    A positive test soon after a negative test (in your case) I would think that implantation happened later and your body didn't have enough hormones to turn a test positive.

    It *is* possible that you had a faulty test but I don't know what the liklihood is.

    ETA: Edited to trim quote boxes.
    Your temps increase immediately after ovulation whether the egg gets fertilized or not. Only after 10 consecutive days of raised temperatures is it likely that you're pregnant. But if your temp is elevated for 9 days and then drops for a few, you're about to start your period.

    hCG production only begins after the egg embryo implants, and is only high enough to be detected by a blood test 10 days after that. Home tests can detect it within a few more days after that. Certain types of tests are more sensitive to lower levels than others. The levels double every 48-72 hours, so it's very likely to get a negative test on, say, 11DPO and positive on day 12.
    Hey if we are gonna be anal about word choice and useage ;-)

    "Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."


  • AprilH81 said:
    We can agree to disagree and Flan can take a test (or not take a test) when she feels she is ready.

    But out of curiosity when do you think pregnancy starts?  (not snark, curious why you think I'm splitting hairs)

    Personally I think life begins at conception, but you aren't pregnant until the egg actually implants.
    I have been following this conversation since y'all started because the first pregnancy test I took was negative and then the one I took 1 day later was positive. And my boobs were sore a few days before all that. 

    So I'm reading "What to Expect When..." because I don't know anything. And if I remember right, the zygote implants and then starts producing hCG. I'm not a scientist (where is that chick from the E board), but is it possible that it implants and the levels of hCG just aren't high enough to produce a positive result? But like, in my case, it does within a day or two?
    I'm not a scientist or a doctor and am not pregnant (disclaimer).

    I'm not sure exactly how quickly after implantation that your body starts to make the hCG, but it has to be pretty fast because the hCG is what triggers your body to keep temps high (to incubate) as the testosterone levels drop as the hormone leaves your system after ovulation.

    I know the home pregnancy tests are VERY sensitive and can detect a pregnancy before a missed period.

    A positive test soon after a negative test (in your case) I would think that implantation happened later and your body didn't have enough hormones to turn a test positive.

    It *is* possible that you had a faulty test but I don't know what the liklihood is.

    ETA: Edited to trim quote boxes.
    Your temps increase immediately after ovulation whether the egg gets fertilized or not. Only after 10 consecutive days of raised temperatures is it likely that you're pregnant. But if your temp is elevated for 9 days and then drops for a few, you're about to start your period.

    hCG production only begins after the egg implants, and is only high enough to be detected by a blood test 10 days after that. Home tests can detect it within a few more days after that. Certain types of tests are more sensitive to lower levels than others. The levels double every 48-72 hours, so it's very likely to get a negative test on, say, 11DPO and positive on day 12.
    Tests can be accurate as early as 10DPO (days post ovulation), not 10 days after implantation (which would be approximately 20 DPO).
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    They whole process is enough to make your head spin isn't it?  All of this stuff has to happen *just right* to have a baby and yet so many people seem to be able to get pregnant at the drop of a hat (16 and Pregnant anyone?).
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    @PrettyGirlLost‌ - thanks!! And makes sense. Yea the hCG being produced from the placenta sounds familiar.

    Eta - and I liked how you schooled the scientist on that thread btw...! Booyahhh - we have our our scientist in the house tyvm
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    Hey, this shit is confusing!  So.many.terms.  But biologically the shit that goes down to actually turn egg and sperm into a life form- holy shit, so amazing and cool!  The stuff that happend genetically makes me nerdgasm so hard :-)

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  • @PrettyGirlLost‌ - thanks!! And makes sense. Yea the hCG being produced from the placenta sounds familiar. Eta - and I liked how you schooled the scientist on that thread btw...! Booyahhh - we have our our scientist in the house tyvm
    Oh my sweet baby Jose, that thread!  I remember her.  She was having a hissy and then tried to act like she wasn't having a hissy and then got super sexist by calling us a sewing circle and claiming that we were dramatic, but as a scientist she was above all that shit.

    Yeah, no bitch.

    Any present company excluded, but scientists are often more dramatic and irrational than a sorority.  I'm so done with them ><

    "Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."


  • Yup. I need outside sources to confirm and I want to give it all the time to be accurate, but one of the reasons I'm leaning well towards the side of "I'm definitely knocked" up is that even though ovulation may be delayed in a particular cycle, your luteal phase (the time between ovulation and your period) is usually roughly the same. It's delayed ovulation which usually lengthens a cycle. I have long cycles frequently, but my luteal phase is usually about 13 days.

    I'm therefore now 20 DPO if I tracked ovulation correctly, and if I didn't, well, we're not on BC and we had sex after. So we're probably screwed (pun intended) either way. But we are/will both be very happy about it :)

    Aha, yeah it makes it a lot more clear if you were tracking ovulation. :) Most people just assume when it happens, and then panic for nothing.

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  • P.S. Thank you all for reminding me to call in the refill on my BC. . . I really don't want a period this weekend ><

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