So uh hi

KatieinBkln

bostonbride2015 said:

FiancB said:

banana468 said:

FiancB said:

redoryx said:

So now I'm confused. We all know that MI was a vocal and frequent advocate for LGBTQI issues. But either it was too much and it was obnoxious and annoying and it's all she talked about and not everything has to be about being gay blah blah blah OR because MI brought it up with such frequency, it made lots of you step back and really examine your own understandings, expectations, misconceptions of LGTBTQI issues. 

Which is it? 

It's okay if you're a minority. Just be mostly quiet and very polite about it, for God's sakes!

You catch more flies with honey.   When trying to convince others of your viewpoint, you can go for the cast-iron frying pan approach or you can go for the slightly less abrasive approach.

Example - My church has two priests who regularly say Mass.   One often gives his sermon as a way to be true to the teachings but also to leave the parishioners inspired to do more.   The other gives sermons that regularly admonish those in attendance.   Both say a similar message. But with one approach, you leave thinking of ways to do better and in the other, you're angry and wanting to tune him out.

If you want me to understand your viewpoint, I don't need to care what your viewpoint is.   If your tone is insulting and abrasive, I'm less likely to listen to your message. 

That's funny, that sounds a lot like what SSs say in etiquette all. the. time. 

Yep.  And guess what?  It applies there too.  If you respond to someone's honeyfund by sending them a gigantic wire chicken, they're going to think that you're a rude ass, which you are.  If you just ignore the honeyfund or gently tell them "you know, some people don't like honeyfunds because they can be misleading and they take a percentage of the gift," they're more likely to listen to the message or (maybe) change their point of view.  Insulting someone rarely gets them on your side in any context.

FTR I thought MI/VG had some valid points but I found her delivery extremely offputting.  I thought her overall posting style was a contrived cry for attention, and I found some her more outrageous stories to be less than believable, but I was still really surprised to find out that her whole identify was made up.

Oh, FFS. The punishment for not lurking is snark. A person who can't be bothered to lurk doesn't deserve my hand-holding (and I don't care whether she "sees the light") anymore than a privileged person deserves to be ever-so-gently guided toward tolerance.

TrixieJess

FiancB said:

Whomever keeps reporting people for saying cracker should thusly go sit on a cactus and spin around for a while. 

I have gotten teased about my whiteness all my life. I have been called Casper, Sue Storm (not in a cool way), Ghost Girl, Snow White, and other unflattering terms pertaining to my whiteness but do I call people out about it, no, it's not allowed. If I decide to use a term  that I didn't even realise was racist because it's how we refer to ourselves, I get knocked down a peg. Just another day in the life of a white girl.

JCbride2015

TrixieJess said:

FiancB said:

Whomever keeps reporting people for saying cracker should thusly go sit on a cactus and spin around for a while. 

I have gotten teased about my whiteness all my life. I have been called Casper, Sue Storm (not in a cool way), Ghost Girl, Snow White, and other unflattering terms pertaining to my whiteness but do I call people out about it, no, it's not allowed. If I decide to use a term  that I didn't even realise was racist because it's how we refer to ourselves, I get knocked down a peg. Just another day in the life of a white girl.

You are SO OPPRESSED.  Sounds like you need a helpful POC to hold your hand and gently feed you honey so you can understand their lifestyle.  But oh em gee-- being abrasive is hurtful so don't go there please!

sheknows6

TrixieJess said:

FiancB said:

Whomever keeps reporting people for saying cracker should thusly go sit on a cactus and spin around for a while. 

I have gotten teased about my whiteness all my life. I have been called Casper, Sue Storm (not in a cool way), Ghost Girl, Snow White, and other unflattering terms pertaining to my whiteness but do I call people out about it, no, it's not allowed. If I decide to use a term  that I didn't even realise was racist because it's how we refer to ourselves, I get knocked down a peg. Just another day in the life of a white girl.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

QueerFemme

::yawn:::  I heard I was the new gay ambassador.    Seriously though...  before MagicInk...there were PLENTY of people who called me a bitch, said I was too aggressive with my sexuality, etc. etc.    So, while MI and I didn't have the same exact delivery, we were basically saying the same thing.   I imagine our delivery was different because I'm guessing I'm older.   

I get so ridiculously SICK of people always assuming that everyone is straight. Or when addressing a group of people using gender pronouns, when it's JUST as easy not to.  Or asking a group of people "do your husbands do blah blah...?" when they have no idea if everyone is straight and has a husband. That straight assumption is tiring and old.   And it's really easy to break those habits if people gave two shits.  But, most people don't.  

I am always happy to answer questions about the "gay lifestyle".  But, my "gay lifestyle" really only applies to me.  Queer people each have their own lifestyle... just like straight people.  The only thing different about me, is I happened to be married to someone with a vagina. 

climbingsingle

JCbride2015 said:

FiancB said:

Whomever keeps reporting people for saying cracker should thusly go sit on a cactus and spin around for a while. 

BUT IT HURTS MY FEELINGS.  Systemic racism is like totally blown out of proportion, but words that make me feel bad about being white are TOTES NOT OKAY.

You guys are offending my white privelege. 

QueerFemme

and...  I had to fight to be able to use the word "Queer" in my user name... at the same time that other people had names like "WeddingBitch", "slutbride", etc.    So, I will say, that TK has never been great at including GLBT folks.   The "Gay weddings" page is nice to include, but it's weak, at best.  The same sex wedding gallery has typically included mostly straight looking or passing feminine women and mostly white folks.  Very few butch/femme couples, and the lack of people of color is significant.    If folks are looking for TK to be the leader in GLBT issues, they are barking up the wrong website.

QueerFemme

TrixieJess said:

FiancB said:

Whomever keeps reporting people for saying cracker should thusly go sit on a cactus and spin around for a while. 

I have gotten teased about my whiteness all my life. I have been called Casper, Sue Storm (not in a cool way), Ghost Girl, Snow White, and other unflattering terms pertaining to my whiteness but do I call people out about it, no, it's not allowed. If I decide to use a term  that I didn't even realise was racist because it's how we refer to ourselves, I get knocked down a peg. Just another day in the life of a white girl.

I won't tease you because you are white, but I will tease you because of this ridiculous font color. 

TrixieJess

QueerFemme said:

TrixieJess said:

FiancB said:

Whomever keeps reporting people for saying cracker should thusly go sit on a cactus and spin around for a while. 

I have gotten teased about my whiteness all my life. I have been called Casper, Sue Storm (not in a cool way), Ghost Girl, Snow White, and other unflattering terms pertaining to my whiteness but do I call people out about it, no, it's not allowed. If I decide to use a term  that I didn't even realise was racist because it's how we refer to ourselves, I get knocked down a peg. Just another day in the life of a white girl.

I won't tease you because you are white, but I will tease you because of this ridiculous font color. 

(it's the sarcasm font colour, it's supposed to be this ridiculous )

QueerFemme

TrixieJess said:

QueerFemme said:

TrixieJess said:

FiancB said:

Whomever keeps reporting people for saying cracker should thusly go sit on a cactus and spin around for a while. 

I have gotten teased about my whiteness all my life. I have been called Casper, Sue Storm (not in a cool way), Ghost Girl, Snow White, and other unflattering terms pertaining to my whiteness but do I call people out about it, no, it's not allowed. If I decide to use a term  that I didn't even realise was racist because it's how we refer to ourselves, I get knocked down a peg. Just another day in the life of a white girl.

I won't tease you because you are white, but I will tease you because of this ridiculous font color. 

(it's the sarcasm font colour, it's supposed to be this ridiculous )

we have a sarcasm font color now?   Interesting...   I thought it was the gay lifestyle font color...   learn something new every day.  

lyndausvi

QueerFemme said:

TrixieJess said:

QueerFemme said:

TrixieJess said:

FiancB said:

Whomever keeps reporting people for saying cracker should thusly go sit on a cactus and spin around for a while. 

I have gotten teased about my whiteness all my life. I have been called Casper, Sue Storm (not in a cool way), Ghost Girl, Snow White, and other unflattering terms pertaining to my whiteness but do I call people out about it, no, it's not allowed. If I decide to use a term  that I didn't even realise was racist because it's how we refer to ourselves, I get knocked down a peg. Just another day in the life of a white girl.

I won't tease you because you are white, but I will tease you because of this ridiculous font color. 

(it's the sarcasm font colour, it's supposed to be this ridiculous )

we have a sarcasm font color now?   Interesting...   I thought it was the gay lifestyle font color...   learn something new every day.  

Yep,   Pink Comic Sans font means sarcasm  

TrixieJess

QueerFemme said:

TrixieJess said:

QueerFemme said:

TrixieJess said:

FiancB said:

Whomever keeps reporting people for saying cracker should thusly go sit on a cactus and spin around for a while. 

I have gotten teased about my whiteness all my life. I have been called Casper, Sue Storm (not in a cool way), Ghost Girl, Snow White, and other unflattering terms pertaining to my whiteness but do I call people out about it, no, it's not allowed. If I decide to use a term  that I didn't even realise was racist because it's how we refer to ourselves, I get knocked down a peg. Just another day in the life of a white girl.

I won't tease you because you are white, but I will tease you because of this ridiculous font color. 

(it's the sarcasm font colour, it's supposed to be this ridiculous )

we have a sarcasm font color now?   Interesting...   I thought it was the gay lifestyle font color...   learn something new every day.  

Comic Sans is the unofficial, official sarcasm font.

QueerFemme

lyndausvi said:

QueerFemme said:

TrixieJess said:

QueerFemme said:

TrixieJess said:

FiancB said:

Whomever keeps reporting people for saying cracker should thusly go sit on a cactus and spin around for a while. 

I have gotten teased about my whiteness all my life. I have been called Casper, Sue Storm (not in a cool way), Ghost Girl, Snow White, and other unflattering terms pertaining to my whiteness but do I call people out about it, no, it's not allowed. If I decide to use a term  that I didn't even realise was racist because it's how we refer to ourselves, I get knocked down a peg. Just another day in the life of a white girl.

I won't tease you because you are white, but I will tease you because of this ridiculous font color. 

(it's the sarcasm font colour, it's supposed to be this ridiculous )

we have a sarcasm font color now?   Interesting...   I thought it was the gay lifestyle font color...   learn something new every day.  

Yep,   Pink Comic Sans font means sarcasm  

I always thought if you were doing sarcasm right... you didn't need to be specific that it was sarcasm...     but, I'll get on board with the pink stuff.   I like pink. 

onefootinthebayou

KatieinBkln said:

bostonbride2015 said:

FiancB said:

banana468 said:

FiancB said:

redoryx said:

So now I'm confused. We all know that MI was a vocal and frequent advocate for LGBTQI issues. But either it was too much and it was obnoxious and annoying and it's all she talked about and not everything has to be about being gay blah blah blah OR because MI brought it up with such frequency, it made lots of you step back and really examine your own understandings, expectations, misconceptions of LGTBTQI issues. 

Which is it? 

It's okay if you're a minority. Just be mostly quiet and very polite about it, for God's sakes!

You catch more flies with honey.   When trying to convince others of your viewpoint, you can go for the cast-iron frying pan approach or you can go for the slightly less abrasive approach.

Example - My church has two priests who regularly say Mass.   One often gives his sermon as a way to be true to the teachings but also to leave the parishioners inspired to do more.   The other gives sermons that regularly admonish those in attendance.   Both say a similar message. But with one approach, you leave thinking of ways to do better and in the other, you're angry and wanting to tune him out.

If you want me to understand your viewpoint, I don't need to care what your viewpoint is.   If your tone is insulting and abrasive, I'm less likely to listen to your message. 

That's funny, that sounds a lot like what SSs say in etiquette all. the. time. 

Yep.  And guess what?  It applies there too.  If you respond to someone's honeyfund by sending them a gigantic wire chicken, they're going to think that you're a rude ass, which you are.  If you just ignore the honeyfund or gently tell them "you know, some people don't like honeyfunds because they can be misleading and they take a percentage of the gift," they're more likely to listen to the message or (maybe) change their point of view.  Insulting someone rarely gets them on your side in any context.

FTR I thought MI/VG had some valid points but I found her delivery extremely offputting.  I thought her overall posting style was a contrived cry for attention, and I found some her more outrageous stories to be less than believable, but I was still really surprised to find out that her whole identify was made up.

Oh, FFS. The punishment for not lurking is snark. A person who can't be bothered to lurk doesn't deserve my hand-holding (and I don't care whether she "sees the light") anymore than a privileged person deserves to be ever-so-gently guided toward tolerance.

I didn't lurk.  I had never before posted on a forum and I dashed off my first post late in a hotel room on a business trip between work emails.  It wasn't b/c I couldn't be bothered, I didn't know any better.  As a result, I got off on the wrong foot w/a lot of the regs who I knew at the time were misunderstanding me (and with whom I agreed and now genuinely like).  I don't think that giving a first response to a perceived SS w/o snark is the worst thing in the world.  When I get snarky it's usually in response to a SS not taking the correct advice, stomping their feet, and saying something completely absurd like, "I'm doing this and you bitches aren't going to change my mind!".    

QueerFemme

Also...   there has been ... oh. I don't know. A dozen or so "mass exodus" threats... and talk of the fall of the TK community boards... because all of the good, important people are leaving !!   

And yet... TK lives on.  People come and go for whatever reason.   Other people will show up and start talking about their shitty wedding plans, get hella schooled, and two months later, be the expert on the same topic.   It's the circle of life.

PrettyGirlLost

photokitty said:

mrsdee15 said:

Whoooaaaaa whoa whoa.  I am late to this party, but I was totally fooled.  Looking back on it now though, I'm surprised that the turkey baster story didn't make my spidey sense tingle even more.  I remember thinking it was a super weird story at the time, but hey, sure.  

I don't get why people catfish.  I think it's sad that people feel the need to create this entire alter ego online.  Also, I used to think I wouldn't ever be fooled by a fake persona when I watched Catfish... I guess I was wrong.  That was pretty elaborate, she has been on I think the entire time I've had an account, almost a year.

Honestly, that was the thing that tipped me off. Maybe bc my sister and her wife tried for 10 months before they were able to conceive with their doctor's help and actual AI (not IVF), where they but the sperm way up in at the top of your uterus...so something about a coffee cup full of spunk from the BFF, sitting on the counter with a "medical grade turkey baster" working on the very first cycle - just didn't add up in my head.

That one blew my BS meter. Part me me was going I was hoping I was just bitter that other people were shockingly that lucky when my sister wasn't, but turns out it was all just a bunch of lies.

I can't speak on how long sperms are viable outside the body, but assuming Sophie had a healthy uterus and eggs, it is plausible the turkey baster would work. . .that's basically how a penis works.

QueerFemme

oh, and one more thing... since now I've gone back and read more of this thread...    

one person said:

"I have many gay friends, but none of them are aggressive about it.  Yes, they eventually told me, but it does not come up in conversation very often.   VG's aggressive stance just didn't ring true to me."

  

Another person said:

You catch more flies with honey.   When trying to convince others of your viewpoint, you can go for the cast-iron frying pan approach or you can go for the slightly less abrasive approach.

I will say this...  there is a reason some people (including me, at times) are aggressive in our delivery about LGBTQ issues.  It's because straight people should be doing their own research and soul searching to get over their shit. Same thing with race.  white people shouldn't go to people of color for a history lesson or to learn how to get over themselves.   We don't need to give you honey so it's easier for your sensitive palate to accept it.  

We get aggressive sometimes, because sometimes, straight people need a virtual slap in the face.   Sometimes, straight people need to be scolded when they keep doing the same dumb shit over and over and over again.  It's not up to use to wipe straight tears when their lil feelers get hurt because they got told off.  

I don't need to convince anyone of my viewpoint. What I need is for straight people to take a good, long look in the mirror, and figure it out all by themselves.  Pick up a book.  Join PFLAG.  Attend a support group. Whatever you need to do to educate yourselves.   

Personally, as I've gotten older, I'm more willing to explain things to folks... but sometimes, even that is tiring.  I'm not the expert on queer issues.  Everyone has a different journey. I can give my opinion or point you in the right direction of resources, and most of the time, I will.  But, let me tell you, being the "gay voice" at work, in my family, in other social circles, in an online forum, etc. etc. gets pretty fuggin old.   Especially when I know it would take 2 seconds for people to google half of the questions I get.

So, folks can be sick of the "aggressive delivery" all you want.  Think of how sick we are of the aggressive questions and comments.

NowIAmSyp

climbingwife said:

I, for one, never declared I was done or out.  I've always still been here.  But it's a lot less interesting now that many of the people I liked are no longer posting.  I don't feel the same imperative to check in on CC and see how everyone is doing because pretty much everybody I actually care about talking to, I already do off-board.  But, you know, entertainment value.

TRUTH

@JCBride2015 @climbingwife  This makes me sad  I like you two.  Come back more, dammit.

QueerFemme

PrettyGirlLost said:

mrsdee15 said:

Whoooaaaaa whoa whoa.  I am late to this party, but I was totally fooled.  Looking back on it now though, I'm surprised that the turkey baster story didn't make my spidey sense tingle even more.  I remember thinking it was a super weird story at the time, but hey, sure.  

I don't get why people catfish.  I think it's sad that people feel the need to create this entire alter ego online.  Also, I used to think I wouldn't ever be fooled by a fake persona when I watched Catfish... I guess I was wrong.  That was pretty elaborate, she has been on I think the entire time I've had an account, almost a year.

Honestly, that was the thing that tipped me off. Maybe bc my sister and her wife tried for 10 months before they were able to conceive with their doctor's help and actual AI (not IVF), where they but the sperm way up in at the top of your uterus...so something about a coffee cup full of spunk from the BFF, sitting on the counter with a "medical grade turkey baster" working on the very first cycle - just didn't add up in my head.

That one blew my BS meter. Part me me was going I was hoping I was just bitter that other people were shockingly that lucky when my sister wasn't, but turns out it was all just a bunch of lies.

I can't speak on how long sperms are viable outside the body, but assuming Sophie had a healthy uterus and eggs, it is plausible the turkey baster would work. . .that's basically how a penis works.

The turkey baster method does work.  I know folks that have used it, but it's not actually a turkey baster. It's just a medical syringe.  Like the kind you use to give your dog liquid medicine.   And yes, it can work on the first time, just like how it works for women to get pregnant the first time people have sex.   Most people I know that have used the syringe method have a donor that does his business in the next room, and they bring the cup over to the other room, and then it is injected into the mom.  then the mom sits with her legs in the air for about 30 minutes.  I've only known one couple that this didn't work within the first 3 tries.

CMGragain

Seriously, about the pink font.  I have trouble reading it.

banana468

QueerFemme said:

oh, and one more thing... since now I've gone back and read more of this thread...    

one person said:

"I have many gay friends, but none of them are aggressive about it.  Yes, they eventually told me, but it does not come up in conversation very often.   VG's aggressive stance just didn't ring true to me."

  

Another person said:

You catch more flies with honey.   When trying to convince others of your viewpoint, you can go for the cast-iron frying pan approach or you can go for the slightly less abrasive approach.

I will say this...  there is a reason some people (including me, at times) are aggressive in our delivery about LGBTQ issues.  It's because straight people should be doing their own research and soul searching to get over their shit. Same thing with race.  white people shouldn't go to people of color for a history lesson or to learn how to get over themselves.   We don't need to give you honey so it's easier for your sensitive palate to accept it.  

We get aggressive sometimes, because sometimes, straight people need a virtual slap in the face.   Sometimes, straight people need to be scolded when they keep doing the same dumb shit over and over and over again.  It's not up to use to wipe straight tears when their lil feelers get hurt because they got told off.  

I don't need to convince anyone of my viewpoint. What I need is for straight people to take a good, long look in the mirror, and figure it out all by themselves.  Pick up a book.  Join PFLAG.  Attend a support group. Whatever you need to do to educate yourselves.   

Personally, as I've gotten older, I'm more willing to explain things to folks... but sometimes, even that is tiring.  I'm not the expert on queer issues.  Everyone has a different journey. I can give my opinion or point you in the right direction of resources, and most of the time, I will.  But, let me tell you, being the "gay voice" at work, in my family, in other social circles, in an online forum, etc. etc. gets pretty fuggin old.   Especially when I know it would take 2 seconds for people to google half of the questions I get.

So, folks can be sick of the "aggressive delivery" all you want.  Think of how sick we are of the aggressive questions and comments.

I think that makes sense.   And I appreciate the response - not because I think you're the spokesperson for LGBTQ issues but because it's just nice to get a different perspective.

TrixieJess

CMGragain said:

Seriously, about the pink font.  I have trouble reading it.

Well it's a good thing that you are fluent in sarcasm and never have to worry about any misunderstandings in reading or writing posts. Nothing you have written or said has ever been misconstrued or taken in the wrong way so you have never had any need for the sarcasm font or colour. Unfortunately, in the world of unicorns and kittens where I'm from, sometimes the things that come out of my mouth sound mean but they aren't because I say them with a smile on my face and a twinkle in my eye.

emmaaa

soontobesyp said:

climbingwife said:

I, for one, never declared I was done or out.  I've always still been here.  But it's a lot less interesting now that many of the people I liked are no longer posting.  I don't feel the same imperative to check in on CC and see how everyone is doing because pretty much everybody I actually care about talking to, I already do off-board.  But, you know, entertainment value.

TRUTH

@JCBride2015 @climbingwife  This makes me sad  I like you two.  Come back more, dammit.

But they don't care to talk to anyone here...the cool people are off-board.

luckya23

CMGragain said:

Seriously, about the pink font.  I have trouble reading it.

If you "select" it with your mouse, it turns the font blue.

justsie

QueerFemme said:

oh, and one more thing... since now I've gone back and read more of this thread...    

one person said:

"I have many gay friends, but none of them are aggressive about it.  Yes, they eventually told me, but it does not come up in conversation very often.   VG's aggressive stance just didn't ring true to me."

  

Another person said:

You catch more flies with honey.   When trying to convince others of your viewpoint, you can go for the cast-iron frying pan approach or you can go for the slightly less abrasive approach.

I will say this...  there is a reason some people (including me, at times) are aggressive in our delivery about LGBTQ issues.  It's because straight people should be doing their own research and soul searching to get over their shit. Same thing with race.  white people shouldn't go to people of color for a history lesson or to learn how to get over themselves.   We don't need to give you honey so it's easier for your sensitive palate to accept it.  

We get aggressive sometimes, because sometimes, straight people need a virtual slap in the face.   Sometimes, straight people need to be scolded when they keep doing the same dumb shit over and over and over again.  It's not up to use to wipe straight tears when their lil feelers get hurt because they got told off.  

I don't need to convince anyone of my viewpoint. What I need is for straight people to take a good, long look in the mirror, and figure it out all by themselves.  Pick up a book.  Join PFLAG.  Attend a support group. Whatever you need to do to educate yourselves.   

Personally, as I've gotten older, I'm more willing to explain things to folks... but sometimes, even that is tiring.  I'm not the expert on queer issues.  Everyone has a different journey. I can give my opinion or point you in the right direction of resources, and most of the time, I will.  But, let me tell you, being the "gay voice" at work, in my family, in other social circles, in an online forum, etc. etc. gets pretty fuggin old.   Especially when I know it would take 2 seconds for people to google half of the questions I get.

So, folks can be sick of the "aggressive delivery" all you want.  Think of how sick we are of the aggressive questions and comments.

Tone policing is bullshit. 

CMGragain

Look, I'm having an MRI today to see how far the tumor in my eye has grown.  I can no longer see out of that eye.  Your sarcasm is in poor taste.

photokitty

An important thing to remember here is we are debating about the delivery of a person who we don't even know if they were in fact gay. The AE, Pog, was not gay and was engaged to a man until recently. It's hard to speculate on delivery/ intent/ feelings when you are dealing with a fictitious character.

I think the sad truth is that society is still at different points on the learning curve. The good news it we are moving forward (for the most part). I like to think I'm ahead of the curve, but that's primarily due to my sister coming out 8 years ago. I had gay friends before then, but my experiences were still a little removed as I didn't know them when I was an adolescent.

Since then I've watched her fall in and out of love, deal with coming out publicly, get married in DC, having a ceremony in our state, have a child and now try to navigate the legal system to get her wife listed on my niece's birth certificate. They have a beautiful relationship and I am grateful the there of them are in my life.

I try to say partner or SO. I try so hard to be gender neutral. I honestly try my best, but I do mess up on occasion. I'm not perfect and I NEVER to it with the intention to offend. The problem with MI's approach was if you misspoke you were verbally berated. IRC one time when, based on the user's siggy a poster referred to OP's groom and MI jumped all over her stating the OP could be marrying a woman. Instead of information being shared for the pursuit of knowledge and development, it was done to incite drama and dissent among the users. This is Catfishing 101...and look it's still working.

I can't imagine what it's like to be gay, not the lifestyle stuff - she loves the same as I do, she works (harder than) I do, she is a mom like I hope to be, she is the same person I shared a bedroom with growing up. I can't imagine the prejudice, the difficulty coming out - especially in a very Catholic family - trying to decide if being gay will affect your ability to get a job or be promoted, or if people will freak out about you being around their kids, or where it's safe to hold hands with your wife. All of these are very real concerns she has shared with me at one time or another.

She is far to kind when people, myself included, ask stupid questions - that are absolutely none of our business, but it's also how she helps us grow. No, it's not her job and I should not need her to help me be kinder, more understanding, or less ignorant - but I truly appreciate the insight she has given me and the impact she has had on me striving to be to the best possible version of myself. I truly hope that I, in my own way, am an equally positive influence in her life - actually she has on many occasion told me that I am, and it means the world to me.

(As far as the turkey baster working, I must just have the bad fortune of knowing a lot of people with bad luck with fertility. As I said it took my sister 10 times with the syringe inserted directly into her uterus. I'm not saying it doesn't work, it was just the final straw that made me think MI was a catfish. After that I tried to find her, but I couldn't - but how do you prove someone doesn't exist?)

climbingsingle

CMGragain said:

Look, I'm having an MRI today to see how far the tumor in my eye has grown.  I can no longer see out of that eye.  Your sarcasm is in poor taste.

Maybe don't spend so much time on the computer? I mean, if it's bothering your eye and all. 

pinkcow13

climbingwife said:

CMGragain said:

Look, I'm having an MRI today to see how far the tumor in my eye has grown.  I can no longer see out of that eye.  Your sarcasm is in poor taste.

Maybe don't spend so much time on the computer? I mean, if it's bothering your eye and all. 

And again, you can just highlight the text if you want to read it so badly... I honestly don't see why this is an issue....

CMGragain

climbingwife said:

CMGragain said:

Look, I'm having an MRI today to see how far the tumor in my eye has grown.  I can no longer see out of that eye.  Your sarcasm is in poor taste.

Maybe don't spend so much time on the computer? I mean, if it's bothering your eye and all.

Climbingwife, I have terminal cancer in my left eye.  I am not the only one who has complained about the pink text.