Week 4 thread

levioosa

Holy crap, I did not expect him to resign.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-s-national-security-advisor-1487044956-htmlstory.html

TrixieJess

short+sassy said:

Love the Canada peeps on here!

Trudeau and Trump are having their first official meeting today.  I sincerely hope we don't go to war with you all.

I'm saying that joking, but can't even joke with 100% certainty the outlandish won't happen.

Canada, I don't know a lot about Trudeau, but I'm jealous of you all.  He seems 100x better.

I didn't vote for the Liberal party, because they Federally don't jive with my personal values. I also have issues with where JT stands on certain Indigenous issues and environmental issues. That being said, I'm glad my forefathers were Loyalists during the War of 1812 and settled up here.

charlotte989875

levioosa said:

Holy crap, I did not expect him to resign.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-s-national-security-advisor-1487044956-htmlstory.html

After the reports last night that sally Yates and the DOj briefed Obama and Trump that he had calls with Russia about the sanctions, and Pence stating Flynn lied, I think there's no other option. I just hope there's still some investigation into what he said, when he said it, and who knew about it. Because right now it looks like he potentially discussed classified information and undermined US foreign policy. 

ETA Sally Yates killing it on the "protecting democracy front". 

levioosa

charlotte989875 said:

levioosa said:

Holy crap, I did not expect him to resign.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-s-national-security-advisor-1487044956-htmlstory.html

After the reports last night that sally Yates and the DOj briefed Obama and Trump that he had calls with Russia about the sanctions, and Pence stating Flynn lied, I think there's no other option. I just hope there's still some investigation into what he said, when he said it, and who knew about it. Because right now it looks like he potentially discussed classified information and undermined US foreign policy. 

ETA Sally Yates killing it on the "protecting democracy front". 

Did you see his shitty resignation letter?  It was so unapologetic I wanted to give him a thousand paper cuts with it.  Never mind that he's essentially been fired twice now for gross incompetence with our country's national security.  

And yaaaas to Sally Yates. 

charlotte989875

levioosa said:

charlotte989875 said:

levioosa said:

Holy crap, I did not expect him to resign.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-s-national-security-advisor-1487044956-htmlstory.html

After the reports last night that sally Yates and the DOj briefed Obama and Trump that he had calls with Russia about the sanctions, and Pence stating Flynn lied, I think there's no other option. I just hope there's still some investigation into what he said, when he said it, and who knew about it. Because right now it looks like he potentially discussed classified information and undermined US foreign policy. 

ETA Sally Yates killing it on the "protecting democracy front". 

Did you see his shitty resignation letter?  It was so unapologetic I wanted to give him a thousand paper cuts with it.  Never mind that he's essentially been fired twice now for gross incompetence with our country's national security.  

And yaaaas to Sally Yates. 

I wonder if all the Trump appointees are required to use MAGA in the everything that they write. But seriously yes on that letter t was ridiculous. And his accompanying statement was basically "this is all the press's fault because if they wouldn't have written about it none of you would have known". 

Heffalump

charlotte989875 said:

I wonder if all the Trump appointees are required to use MAGA in the everything that they write. But seriously yes on that letter t was ridiculous. And his accompanying statement was basically "this is all the press's fault because if they wouldn't have written about it none of you would have known". 

kimmiinthemitten

1.  I can't with all this abortion madness.  It's so infuriating and insulting to women's intelligence.

2.  The Rogue POTUS Twitter page is claiming Yates was really fired for whistleblowing on Flynn as a danger.  Sadly, I have very little hope in this Congress turning their back on Trump any time soon.

3.  The good news is that god awful Carls Jr executive's cabinet spot may be at risk.  Apparently, his ex wife was on Oprah and detailed how he was abusive and she mailed a copy of the tape to every Senator and 4 republicans have said they're not sure they can vote for him.

4.  I feel bad for teachers in Ohio.  First Devos, not this madness:

Sec. 3319.236. Beginning September 1, 2018, the state board of education's rules for the renewal of educator licenses shall require each applicant for renewal of a license to complete an on-site work experience with a local business or chamber of commerce as a condition of renewal. Work experience obtained pursuant to this section shall count toward any required continuing education. Each local professional development committee established under section 3319.22 of the Revised Code shall work with its teachers to identify local work experience opportunities that meet the requirements of this section.

So teachers who are already overworked and underpaid, and who pay out of pocket for not only their license but for the continuing education, now need to intern with no pay to keep their jobs.  I take that back, I feel bad for parents and children in Ohio who won't have qualified teachers if this passes. 

short+sassy

charlotte989875 said:

levioosa said:

charlotte989875 said:

levioosa said:

Holy crap, I did not expect him to resign.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-s-national-security-advisor-1487044956-htmlstory.html

After the reports last night that sally Yates and the DOj briefed Obama and Trump that he had calls with Russia about the sanctions, and Pence stating Flynn lied, I think there's no other option. I just hope there's still some investigation into what he said, when he said it, and who knew about it. Because right now it looks like he potentially discussed classified information and undermined US foreign policy. 

ETA Sally Yates killing it on the "protecting democracy front". 

Did you see his shitty resignation letter?  It was so unapologetic I wanted to give him a thousand paper cuts with it.  Never mind that he's essentially been fired twice now for gross incompetence with our country's national security.  

And yaaaas to Sally Yates. 

I wonder if all the Trump appointees are required to use MAGA in the everything that they write. But seriously yes on that letter t was ridiculous. And his accompanying statement was basically "this is all the press's fault because if they wouldn't have written about it none of you would have known". 

Yes! So true!

And thank goodness!  Yet another important reason to have freedom of the press.  Helps keep politicians "somewhat" in check.

Oh, I'm sorry.  Was he actually trying to imply this is a negative, bad thing? 

charlotte989875

kimmiinthemitten said:

1.  I can't with all this abortion madness.  It's so infuriating and insulting to women's intelligence.

2.  The Rogue POTUS Twitter page is claiming Yates was really fired for whistleblowing on Flynn as a danger.  Sadly, I have very little hope in this Congress turning their back on Trump any time soon.

3.  The good news is that god awful Carls Jr executive's cabinet spot may be at risk.  Apparently, his ex wife was on Oprah and detailed how he was abusive and she mailed a copy of the tape to every Senator and 4 republicans have said they're not sure they can vote for him.

4.  I feel bad for teachers in Ohio.  First Devos, not this madness:

Sec. 3319.236. Beginning September 1, 2018, the state board of education's rules for the renewal of educator licenses shall require each applicant for renewal of a license to complete an on-site work experience with a local business or chamber of commerce as a condition of renewal. Work experience obtained pursuant to this section shall count toward any required continuing education. Each local professional development committee established under section 3319.22 of the Revised Code shall work with its teachers to identify local work experience opportunities that meet the requirements of this section.

So teachers who are already overworked and underpaid, and who pay out of pocket for not only their license but for the continuing education, now need to intern with no pay to keep their jobs.  I take that back, I feel bad for parents and children in Ohio who won't have qualified teachers if this passes. 

This is such bullshit. Teachers. Qualified teachers who went to school for years now have to intern with business, for what purpose?! Also, it would required schools board to put three non-voting business owners on each board. 

I guess if we have a kid in Ohio its private school for them. 

levioosa

kimmiinthemitten said:

1.  I can't with all this abortion madness.  It's so infuriating and insulting to women's intelligence.

2.  The Rogue POTUS Twitter page is claiming Yates was really fired for whistleblowing on Flynn as a danger.  Sadly, I have very little hope in this Congress turning their back on Trump any time soon.

3.  The good news is that god awful Carls Jr executive's cabinet spot may be at risk.  Apparently, his ex wife was on Oprah and detailed how he was abusive and she mailed a copy of the tape to every Senator and 4 republicans have said they're not sure they can vote for him.

4.  I feel bad for teachers in Ohio.  First Devos, not this madness:

Sec. 3319.236. Beginning September 1, 2018, the state board of education's rules for the renewal of educator licenses shall require each applicant for renewal of a license to complete an on-site work experience with a local business or chamber of commerce as a condition of renewal. Work experience obtained pursuant to this section shall count toward any required continuing education. Each local professional development committee established under section 3319.22 of the Revised Code shall work with its teachers to identify local work experience opportunities that meet the requirements of this section.

So teachers who are already overworked and underpaid, and who pay out of pocket for not only their license but for the continuing education, now need to intern with no pay to keep their jobs.  I take that back, I feel bad for parents and children in Ohio who won't have qualified teachers if this passes. 

To the bolded, I don't have hope for that. Mitt Romney wrote a letter about what a great guy he is. I'm pretty confident in the Republican party's uncanny ability to ignore grievous personality and qualification failures if it suits their interests. 

Re: the teacher thing. That's the biggest bullshit. Our poor future. 

knottiej

short+sassy said:

Yes! So true!

And thank goodness!  Yet another important reason to have freedom of the press.  Helps keep politicians "somewhat" in check.

Oh, I'm sorry.  Was he actually trying to imply this is a negative, bad thing? 

I don't get this either. How can his advisors, etc say things like, "anyone who criticizes Trump is gone"? I mean, don't you want to hear the pros and cons, don't you want to at least pretend to play devil's advocate? It's very dis-heartening.

I hope they keep up with this Flynn investigation as I find it hard to believe that he acted on his own. I'd like to who else knew and when.

knottiej

@mrsconn23 and @sparklepants41 this is for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M98huhzUijE

John Oliver puts together commercials for Trump..

OliveOilsMom

levioosa said:

kimmiinthemitten said:

3.  The good news is that god awful Carls Jr executive's cabinet spot may be at risk.  Apparently, his ex wife was on Oprah and detailed how he was abusive and she mailed a copy of the tape to every Senator and 4 republicans have said they're not sure they can vote for him.

4. br>

To the bolded, I don't have hope for that. Mitt Romney wrote a letter about what a great guy he is. I'm pretty confident in the Republican party's uncanny ability to ignore grievous personality and qualification failures if it suits their interests. 

Re: the teacher thing. That's the biggest bullshit. Our poor future. 

I shrunk a quote tree.

They also have not scheduled the vote for this guy yet because McConnell is trying to "get the party on board".  So I don't have that much faith that those 4 Senators won't have their minds changed back.

kimmiinthemitten

OliveOilsMom said:

levioosa said:

kimmiinthemitten said:

3.  The good news is that god awful Carls Jr executive's cabinet spot may be at risk.  Apparently, his ex wife was on Oprah and detailed how he was abusive and she mailed a copy of the tape to every Senator and 4 republicans have said they're not sure they can vote for him.

4. br>

To the bolded, I don't have hope for that. Mitt Romney wrote a letter about what a great guy he is. I'm pretty confident in the Republican party's uncanny ability to ignore grievous personality and qualification failures if it suits their interests. 

Re: the teacher thing. That's the biggest bullshit. Our poor future. 

I shrunk a quote tree.

They also have not scheduled the vote for this guy yet because McConnell is trying to "get the party on board".  So I don't have that much faith that those 4 Senators won't have their minds changed back.

Me and my silly optimism, I know but two are Collins and Murkowski who went against the grain with DeVos and one is Tim Scott who rarely crosses the party line.  I forgot who the fourth dude was.

This made me LOL today:

short+sassy

More a local thing.  But there is a Louisiana State Senator (Troy Brown) who has pleaded "no contest"...on two separate occasions for two different women...to criminal charges of abusing women.  Both within the last year.

First, he punched his mistress last year.  Or, as he describes their relationship, his "side friend".  Then he bit his wife later in the year.

Brown penned an "Open Apology" letter.  Where almost every sentence has the word "God" in it.  There is also a Bible verse about "forgiveness".  Major.Eye.Roll.

However, he refuses to resign or accept a suspension from the State Senate.  They are meeting tomorrow on their course of action in regards to this guy.

charlotte989875

.... and we're all going to die anyway. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/world/europe/russia-cruise-missile-arms-control-treaty.html

levioosa

charlotte989875 said:

.... and we're all going to die anyway. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/world/europe/russia-cruise-missile-arms-control-treaty.html

Might as well since all of our national parks and rights as women will be gone soon.  

VarunaTT

This is what happens when you elect a goddamn idiot with no political, diplomatic, or international experience or education as president.  Maybe now we can all get over this nonsense that politics isn't a damn career and start moving into "how do we educate politicians to NOT BLOW US UP or violate all of our rights."

kimmiinthemitten

VarunaTT said:

This is what happens when you elect a goddamn idiot with no political, diplomatic, or international experience or education as president.  Maybe now we can all get over this nonsense that politics isn't a damn career and start moving into "how do we educate politicians to NOT BLOW US UP or violate all of our rights."

In addition this is the least educated cabinet in who knows all long. People are celebrating this like it's an accomplishment for the working man or something. Personally, I prefer it when the leaders of the free world have more education credentials than I do. 

levioosa

kimmiinthemitten said:

VarunaTT said:

This is what happens when you elect a goddamn idiot with no political, diplomatic, or international experience or education as president.  Maybe now we can all get over this nonsense that politics isn't a damn career and start moving into "how do we educate politicians to NOT BLOW US UP or violate all of our rights."

In addition this is the least educated cabinet in who knows all long. People are celebrating this like it's an accomplishment for the working man or something. Personally, I prefer it when the leaders of the free world have more education credentials than I do. 

Right?  And you wouldn't say that about any other profession either.  "Oh, thank god this doctor only read WebMD!  I'm so glad my electrician googled how to fix this!  Can you believe it, my defense attorney watched Suits!"

short+sassy

levioosa said:

kimmiinthemitten said:

VarunaTT said:

This is what happens when you elect a goddamn idiot with no political, diplomatic, or international experience or education as president.  Maybe now we can all get over this nonsense that politics isn't a damn career and start moving into "how do we educate politicians to NOT BLOW US UP or violate all of our rights."

In addition this is the least educated cabinet in who knows all long. People are celebrating this like it's an accomplishment for the working man or something. Personally, I prefer it when the leaders of the free world have more education credentials than I do. 

Right?  And you wouldn't say that about any other profession either.  "Oh, thank god this doctor only read WebMD!  I'm so glad my electrician googled how to fix this!  Can you believe it, my defense attorney watched Suits!"

I made this analogy all the time when Trump was running.

Pretend you're an HR Manager and you're company has a job posting for POTUS.  Think about what you'd write for the "Qualifications".  Perhaps something about diplomacy, being cool under pressure, and X years of political experience.

At my hypothetical company, Trump's resume wouldn't even make it past the proverbial 10-second scan.  And, needless to say, wouldn't have a remote chance of even getting an interview, much less a job offer.

banana468

I checked into Twitter this AM to see that my Senator posted about a spy ship 30 miles from the CT coastline.   

Great times

VarunaTT

WHAT is this fuckery?  Someone sent me this and I can't even see straight at this point.  No, protesting DeVos is absolutely positively not a goddamn thing like the integration protests:

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/14/14616370/betsy-devos-ruby-bridges-segregation-cartoon

Joney

mrsconn23 said:

What in the goddamn mother fuck? 

http://theslot.jezebel.com/oklahoma-lawmaker-pregnant-women-are-hosts-whose-bodie-1792303950

Ultimately, he said, his intent was to let men have a say. “I believe one of the breakdowns in our society is that we have excluded the man out of all of these types of decisions,” he said. “I understand that they feel like that is their body,” he said of women. “I feel like it is a separate — what I call them is, is you’re a ‘host.’ And you know when you enter into a relationship you’re going to be that host and so, you know, if you pre-know that then take all precautions and don’t get pregnant,” he explained. “So that’s where I’m at. I’m like, hey, your body is your body and be responsible with it. But after you’re irresponsible then don’t claim, well, I can just go and do this with another body, when you’re the host and you invited that in.”

^^^ That makes me want to hork.  

Ugh, I know!  What boggles my mind is the line about women needing to take all precautions not to get pregnant.  I think lowering abortion rates is something everyone can get behind, but there's the approach that works (sex education, access to affordable contraception, social support for parents, etc.) and the approach that doesn't.  Making abortion illegal doesn't stop women from getting abortions, it stops them from dying from them!  I don't know a single woman who thinks to herself, "oh, an abortion would be a neat thing to do next month.  Time to get off the birth control."

The Russia stuff is also making me nervous...

kimmiinthemitten

VarunaTT said:

WHAT is this fuckery?  Someone sent me this and I can't even see straight at this point.  No, protesting DeVos is absolutely positively not a goddamn thing like the integration protests:

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/14/14616370/betsy-devos-ruby-bridges-segregation-cartoon

What makes this even more absurd is that her policies in Michigan have led to a major segregation problem in the schools.  My old school district borders Detroit.  I went to HS pre school of choice and I'd say our population was 25-30% african american.  Fast forward almost 20 years, add school of choice and the state closing hundreds of schools in Detroit and my school is now 75% african american and the city is over 55% caucasian because white families are now sending their kids to other schools.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/09/20/schools-choice-creating-white-flight-metro-detroit/90509180/

Now this makes me believe we are living in an alternative universe.  In conversations during the election, I kept warning friends who hated Clinton that she should be cautious to celebrate the leaks because they came from Russia.  Now we have evidence that Trump and Co negotiated with Russia during and after the election, that people in his administration are vulnerable to blackmail, and that the President knew about it and decided it was a trust issue instead of a national security problem - AND the GOP isn't going to investigate.  All the while Russia and North Korea are testing us.  

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/chaffetz-investigate-mar-lago-flynns-ties-russia/story?id=45490256

It's only week 4 folks, this shit is downright scary and people are still celebrating this man.

sparklepants41

kimmiinthemitten said:

VarunaTT said:

WHAT is this fuckery?  Someone sent me this and I can't even see straight at this point.  No, protesting DeVos is absolutely positively not a goddamn thing like the integration protests:

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/14/14616370/betsy-devos-ruby-bridges-segregation-cartoon

What makes this even more absurd is that her policies in Michigan have led to a major segregation problem in the schools.  My old school district borders Detroit.  I went to HS pre school of choice and I'd say our population was 25-30% african american.  Fast forward almost 20 years, add school of choice and the state closing hundreds of schools in Detroit and my school is now 75% african american and the city is over 55% caucasian because white families are now sending their kids to other schools.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/09/20/schools-choice-creating-white-flight-metro-detroit/90509180/

Now this makes me believe we are living in an alternative universe.  In conversations during the election, I kept warning friends who hated Clinton that she should be cautious to celebrate the leaks because they came from Russia.  Now we have evidence that Trump and Co negotiated with Russia during and after the election, that people in his administration are vulnerable to blackmail, and that the President knew about it and decided it was a trust issue instead of a national security problem - AND the GOP isn't going to investigate.  All the while Russia and North Korea are testing us.  

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/chaffetz-investigate-mar-lago-flynns-ties-russia/story?id=45490256

It's only week 4 folks, this shit is downright scary and people are still celebrating this man.

You know he won't ever admit to anything, much less resign. So seriously, what is it going to take to get him (and his entire administration) to get kicked out of office? 

mrsconn23

http://theslot.jezebel.com/kellyanne-conway-is-losing-her-hold-on-talking-head-pro-1792391189

levioosa

I don't know why, because it's not surprising, but this really scares me. He just doubles down every time. 

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/us/politics/trump-condemns-leaks-to-news-media-in-a-twitter-flurry.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0&referer=http://m.facebook.com

Heffalump

How fucking stupid is Michael Flynn, that he worked in the intelligence community for all those years and apparently didn't know that we tap Russian diplomats' calls?  Or if he knew and didn't care...welp, I got nothin'.

mrsconn23

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politics/top-senate-republicans-urge-white-house-to-withdraw-puzder-nomination/index.html

Hmmm...Interesting.