female point of view

wiwicaty

I wouldn't say a man pretending to be a woman is sick.

But a woman pretending to be a man pretending to be a woman is totally sick. 

So when did the transition from little girl to man occurred? >_<

achiduck

I'm confused. Are you guys renewing your vows and you're buying a dress for that, or are you just buying a dress to fulfill a fantasy??

But to answer your original question, I'm not sure. Having never been in the situation I'm not sure how I would react but it would involve a long and serious conversation. I have no judgement for those who like to do "unconventional" things, but I don't think I could be with someone who liked to dress up as the opposite sex. I would find it very unsettling.

Do you wear women's clothes in front of your wife, or is this something you do when she's not at home? Do you leave the house in women's clothes? (NOTE: I am not asking to stir stuff up or to judge, I'm just genuinely curious)

jadabride

Thank you MildDuds, I do want to be part of the TK community and will heed your advice. 

As for the prior post, we're not renewing our vows, I'm just purchasing a wedidng gown - my wife is ok and is encouraging me to do that, but she wouldn't want to renew our vows with me in a gown.  I do dress sometimes in front of my wife, but primarily do it when she's not home.  I have only left the house a few times dressed as a woman at this point. 

jadabride

To further answer the pp, although I dress as male typically, even when dressed as a male, I wear panties and pantyhose under my clothes and usually have my toes polished. 

bigbabyface

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_female-point-of?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:14Discussion:05b730e2-c2a3-4c52-b7f8-e968efa0b0e5Post:c5a0f24d-624c-43df-8afb-c567ca29cec0">Re: female point of view</a>:
[QUOTE]To further answer the pp, although I dress as male typically, even when dressed as a male, I wear panties and pantyhose under my clothes and usually have my toes polished. 
Posted by jadabride[/QUOTE]

I think at this point a MOD needs to intervene and close this thread.

danibride2012

ummmmm..... so i have read many of his old posts and have always felt it a little weird that he always has to mention that he is a guy and he is buying a dress and then wants to know how we feel about it...   so, i am different too.... as i am a transgendered bride... this is something that I felt important to mention in a couple of my posts, but it was certainly not something i felt i needed to share in every one.  And, in particular, i was not really needing to find out how everyone felt about it...  So, it really does kind of make me feel like there is some hidden agenda here or perhaps its just MUD... i don't know.  But, in the spirit of giving everybody the benefit of the doubt... i must admit that this guy could just truly be really really really interested in knowing what we all think about him buying a wedding dress - to which my response would be just like the rest...its fine with me....whatever you want to do!  As for my FI...ummmm... i can't say that i would be into that much at all... but thats just me...

Ghoti

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_female-point-of?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:05b730e2-c2a3-4c52-b7f8-e968efa0b0e5Post:6c745a87-af3a-4182-be4e-44158209c9cd">Re: female point of view</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: female point of view : I think at this point a MOD needs to intervene and close this thread.
Posted by bigbabyface[/QUOTE]
I concur. 

Cynthia1207

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_female-point-of?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:14Discussion:05b730e2-c2a3-4c52-b7f8-e968efa0b0e5Post:6c745a87-af3a-4182-be4e-44158209c9cd">Re: female point of view</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: female point of view : I think at this point a MOD needs to intervene and close this thread.
Posted by bigbabyface[/QUOTE]

Yes however there is no mod on this board

jadabride

I'm sorry if my last post was a serious case of tmi.  I'll be more careful.

achiduck

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_female-point-of?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:05b730e2-c2a3-4c52-b7f8-e968efa0b0e5Post:c5a0f24d-624c-43df-8afb-c567ca29cec0">Re: female point of view</a>:
[QUOTE]To further answer the pp, although I dress as male typically, even when dressed as a male, I wear panties and pantyhose under my clothes and usually have my toes polished. 
Posted by jadabride[/QUOTE]
Ya, I didn't need to know ALL of that. <div>
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Denise91980

Seriously troll...I mean OP make up your mind...you are a girl, you are a boy, you are renewing your vows and your wife wants you to wear a dress, now you are not, but if you were she wouldn't want you to<div>
</div><div>In Response to <a style="text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal;color:#1f1f1f;" href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_gay-weddings_crossdressing-bride?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:44Discussion:d0f954c0-49d1-4905-8271-a69fe80e3e41Post:5f831e6c-f9a5-4184-a77e-405b94a70d42">crossdressing bride</a>:
[QUOTE]<strong>My wife would like to renew our vows, but she would like me to wear the wedding dress this time.</strong>  She knows about and supports my crossdressing, and knows this is a dream come true for me.  I have been making some preliminary calls to bridal shops and hope to find one that will be open to working with me and helping me find my dream gown. 
Posted by jadabride[/QUOTE]</div><div>
</div><div>I stick to my assumption that you are straight up a troll...not even a good one!</div>

dragonwagon

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_female-point-of?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:05b730e2-c2a3-4c52-b7f8-e968efa0b0e5Post:7ecba61b-b173-44cc-8a24-846067842f0e">Re: female point of view</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: female point of view : MUD or not, this comment strikes me rather ignorant.  Transvestites are by definition heterosexual.  If the OP is real, then he's fortunate to have a wife who supports him and allows him to indulge in his fantasy.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

I'm unclear on who died and made you the almighty judge of other peoples' choices and opinions. Enlighten me, please?

I'm pretty sure OP asked us what <em>we</em> would do and how <em>we</em> would feel about it if <em>we</em> were in his wife's situation. AMARITE?

 If my fiance came to me wanting to be a bride, we would not be together any longer.  I am a non-transvestite, heterosexual female who is interested in non-transvestite heterosexual men. I'm sorry that you find my preferences politically incorrect, but that is the truth.

I've known FI for 8 years and if he suddenly wanted to by a wedding gown, wear high heels, put on makeup, get his nails done, and have bridal portraits made, it would not sit well with me. Pardon me for assuming that a man who wanted to be a bride and wanted all that being a bride entails wouldn't be (even secretly) wanting a groom as well.

rachael.baker

I feel that if you love someone, you love them, and you and your partner work together to make each other happy. so, OP, i say damn, you have an amazing wife. Also, the PP who mentioned being GGG and Dan Savage, YES!!

Personally, if my FI came to me and trusted me enough to tell me how he felt regarding wanting a wedding dress, then I would encourage him the same way. Who knows, it may even lead to some hot trans photos (i'm thinking H in dress and W in tux).

But then again, I'm lucky enough to live in the hometown of Dan Savage and surround myself with the kind of people who love and respect those who think outside the traditional gender box.

Have so much fun OP and just be sure to be just as GGG to your amazing wife! I'm sure you'll look great!

Oh, one more thing! I agree completely with PP's regarding fake nails! Look up "shelac" it's a much better alternative!

rachael.baker

whoa there's a lot of hate on here. i'm going back to the E board! OP don't listen to hate, just be who you are and be happy. love yourself and love your wife.

deepcovejackie

This board needs a mod....

kimheartsscott

Why do I always miss the threads where Celles comes in and kicks ass and reminds me we have the same brain?  Just like the KPS rape controversy.

Damnit!

TexanTreasure08

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_female-point-of?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:05b730e2-c2a3-4c52-b7f8-e968efa0b0e5Post:74f1b18e-7310-4bee-92bb-18a73aa0d26d">Re: female point of view</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: female point of view : I'm unclear on who died and made you the almighty judge of other peoples' choices and opinions. Enlighten me, please? I'm pretty sure OP asked us what we would do and how we would feel about it if we were in his wife's situation. AMARITE?  If my fiance came to me wanting to be a bride, we would not be together any longer.  I am a non-transvestite, heterosexual female who is interested in non-transvestite heterosexual men. I'm sorry that you find my preferences politically incorrect, but that is the truth. I've known FI for 8 years and if he suddenly wanted to by a wedding gown, wear high heels, put on makeup, get his nails done, and have bridal portraits made, it would not sit well with me. Pardon me for assuming that a man who wanted to be a bride and wanted all that being a bride entails <strong>wouldn't be (even secretly) wanting a groom as well.</strong>
Posted by dragonwagon[/QUOTE]

This sentence pisses me off. So you're saying a lesbian should really be wanting a groom as well? Just because he wants to dress as a woman doesn't necessarily change his sexual orientation.

And to the nail polish comment from MyNameIsNot: Being gay/transgendered/transvestite/crossdresser whatever a person can be is not an effect of being treated like a girl!

kimheartsscott

I think MyNameIsNot was commenting on this story:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/alltherage/2011/04/j-crew-and-jenna-lyons-pink-toenail-controversy.html?cid=6a00d8341c630a53ef01538dd893a7970b

And sarcastically at that.

dragonwagon

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_female-point-of?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:05b730e2-c2a3-4c52-b7f8-e968efa0b0e5Post:fda57bb6-086f-43ae-bd3a-907e011df7f5">Re: female point of view</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: female point of view : This sentence pisses me off. So you're saying a lesbian should really be wanting a groom as well? Just because he wants to dress as a woman doesn't necessarily change his sexual orientation. And to the nail polish comment from MyNameIsNot: Being gay/transgendered/transvestite/crossdresser whatever a person can be is not an effect of being treated like a girl!
Posted by TexanTreasure08[/QUOTE]

No, a lesbian would want another lesbian, e.g. a woman who wants to be with a woman. You seriously have issues with generalizing everything.  Each and evvery person is different. Since you are having trouble getting this, let me break it down.

I am a woman. I was born with a vagina. I am interested in men who were born with a penis who are interested in women who were born with vaginas who are interested in men born with penises. If my FI (who currently fits the description) wanted to start wearing women's clothing, I would feel that he no longer qualified as the type of male that I want to be married to. BUT THAT IS JUST ME. I do not speak for every other person or relationship in the world. Tranvestites, lesbians,  and other suchs things have no relevance to myself, FI, or my answer to this post.


And the comment from MNIN - 'twas a joke about an news article relevant to a J Crew add.

I think it's time for Miss Beligerent to go to beddy-bye land.

[Deleted User]

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_female-point-of?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:14Discussion:05b730e2-c2a3-4c52-b7f8-e968efa0b0e5Post:26330279-c237-46e2-b81e-fac0d598a39e">Re: female point of view</a>:
[QUOTE]This is not MUD.  I started the vera wang thread yesterday looking for feedback on their gowns.  Today I started this thread just to get a feel for people's thoughts on their fiance dressing up.  I'm not trying to get anything controversial started, just curious. I truly am in the process of buying myself a wedding gown.  It is a dream I have had for years to go through the process of buying a gown, shoes, jewelery, and everything associated with it, and then get hair, nails and makeup done and have bridal photos taken. I'm sorry if anyone feels this is lame or made up, but its absolutely true.
Posted by jadabride[/QUOTE]

I'm with the other girls... Why are you even coming to this board to ask something like that? As if our opinions will change your "fantasy" and wanting to act it out. I think it's safe to say that most women i know would not be comfortable with their husbands telling them something like this... It would really freak them out. Since u asked for our opinions ill be honest- thats totally not cool. I can certainly say I would be verrrry freaked if my FI sprung something like this on me and don't really know what would happen with the relationship... Yeah, you can talk all you want about being supportive of your SO and their fantasies, etc.. But something like this is just out of the realm of normal and would make me wonder about their true orientation...

kimheartsscott

I am interested in men who were born with a penis who are interested in women who were born with vaginas who are interested in men born with penises.

So, just to be nitpicky here for funsies, if your fiance was attracted to a bisexual woman you would no longer be interested in him?  Because he's a man born with a penis who is interested in women born with vaginas who are interested in men born with penises and also women born with vaginas?

Just clarifying.

rachael.baker

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_female-point-of?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:05b730e2-c2a3-4c52-b7f8-e968efa0b0e5Post:fda57bb6-086f-43ae-bd3a-907e011df7f5">Re: female point of view</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: female point of view : This sentence pisses me off. So you're saying a lesbian should really be wanting a groom as well?<strong> Just because he wants to dress as a woman doesn't necessarily change his sexual orientation.</strong> And to the nail polish comment from MyNameIsNot: Being gay/transgendered/transvestite/crossdresser whatever a person can be is not an effect of being treated like a girl!
Posted by TexanTreasure08[/QUOTE]


THIS!!!  Thank you so much for saying this!

TexanTreasure08

You specifically said that part of the "bride experience" is wanting to have a groom as well, and that is by definition over generalizing. You seem to be the one having trouble realizing that each and every person is different, since you assumed that he would have to be gay to want to dress like a woman. And I don't see how your "break down" makes it any better. The way he dresses is not on your criteria list. If he wanted to dress like a woman, he would still have a penis and still be interested in vaginas. So how does how he dresses change anything if he is still heterosexual?
I'm sorry I don't agree with you on a few things and you feel the need to resort to immature name calling. I didn't realize that thinking differently isn't allowed here.

Celles

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_female-point-of?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:05b730e2-c2a3-4c52-b7f8-e968efa0b0e5Post:74f1b18e-7310-4bee-92bb-18a73aa0d26d">Re: female point of view</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: female point of view : I'm unclear on who died and made you the almighty judge of other peoples' choices and opinions. Enlighten me, please? I'm pretty sure OP asked us what we would do and how we would feel about it if we were in his wife's situation. AMARITE?  Blah, blah, blah.
Posted by dragonwagon[/QUOTE]

If you read what I <em>actually </em>wrote, you'll see that I agree with you insofar that I would be very turned off if my H were suddenly to profess a desire to wear women's clothing.  What I was objecting to in your post was the assumption that a crossdressing male must be gay; this is absolutely not the case, as transvestitism by its very definition a heterosexual predilection. The OP identifies as a heterosexual, transvestite male.  Who are you to tell him (even by proxy) that he's gay?  He's not.

TexanTreasure08

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_chit-chat_female-point-of?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:14Discussion:05b730e2-c2a3-4c52-b7f8-e968efa0b0e5Post:ea09dbfb-a44a-40d3-b4ad-43953210457a">Re: female point of view</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: female point of view : If you read what I actually wrote, you'll see that I agree with you insofar that I would be very turned off if my H were suddenly to profess a desire to wear women's clothing.  What I was objecting to in your post was the assumption that a crossdressing male must be gay; this is absolutely not the case, as transvestitism by its very definition a heterosexual predilection. The OP identifies as a heterosexual, transvestite male.  Who are you to tell him (even by proxy) that he's gay?  He's not.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

+THIS. You said it much better than me.

jadabride

Thanks for some of the kind words overnight.  Please know as well, I have no issue with those of you who said you would have a problem if your fiancee indicated he wanted to wear a wedding dress, etc.  I was just curious what the thoughts would be here and I certainly understand it's a bit out of the ordinary.  My wife is great, but she certainly has periods she has a hard time understanding that side of me.