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  • I understand that he was a POW, but he was still (indirectly as far as we know) responsible for the murder of thousands of people. Does he get to walk away from all of that? Does he have zero responsibility? If there was photographic evidence of him actually killing people would it make a difference? Or does the fact that he was a POW absolve him no matter what? (honest questions, not trying to be defensive)
     
    I guess I just feel that there has to be some guilt on his part and accessory to murder sounds like a fitting conviction. I admit that my tolerance level for Nazis is pretty low, and I may not always consider a "case by case" basis for everything. And I wasn't looking at it from the legal standpoint. I still stand by the idea that most former Nazis aren't going/didn't to admit to believing in the cause when they're caught.
  • Their biggest problem is they don't have any evidence that he did anything, just that he was there. He was convicted for a similar crime in Treblinka and was in prison in Isreal for it but it turned out there was reasonable doubt. He probably won't go to prison anyway because of his health. Like a PP said very few Nazis will admit to their crimes so it's not like this guy is going to sit there and say "yeah, I did it".

    I have zero tolerance for Nazis but the defense has a good point that they have no evidence. I also don't like the whole "he could have escaped like everyone else did" argument from the prosecutors. Yeah, he could have but should all of Germany be convicted because "they could have stopped Hitler"? What about all the people who stood around and watched it happen? I'm going to stop here because this is something I'm really passionate about and I can rant forever...


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    [QUOTE]I'm always curious on people's backgrounds when it comes to Holocaust history.  It was an area I seriously considered focusing on but I ended up not.  I spent a large chunk of time my senior year in high school traveling all over Europe visiting different concentration and death camps.  I also have done a lot of research and written a few articles regarding the different types of medical "research" that the Nazi's conducted and the ethical considerations with using some of it.
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    You probably won't read this but I'm gonna say it anyway, I'm actually thinking about getting a Master's certificate in Holocaust and Genocide studies OR actually doing my Master's program in it. (I don't want to move to the states, which is why I'm leaning on the certificate). I also really want to go to Poland and other countries to visit death camps. I have tons of books and articles on this. I'm purposely suffering through a class with a terrible prof because it's about the Hitler state and I will kick my department if they don't offer the Holocaust class this year. I'm extremely obsessed.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nazi Thoughts? : You probably won't read this but I'm gonna say it anyway, I'm actually thinking about getting a Master's certificate in Holocaust and Genocide studies OR actually doing my Master's program in it. (I don't want to move to the states, which is why I'm leaning on the certificate). I also really want to go to Poland and other countries to visit death camps. I have tons of books and articles on this. I'm purposely suffering through a class with a terrible prof because it's about the Hitler state and I will kick my department if they don't offer the Holocaust class this year. I'm extremely obsessed.
    Posted by avsfan33[/QUOTE]

    I think the topic is amazingly interesting and horrifically sad.  I think its an event in world history that will always be relevant and needs to be studied.  Visiting the camps was an amazing and moving experience.  I will warn that it was a complete emotional drain.  I spent 13 days between countries and camps.  I'll never forget what I learned and saw....but sometimes I wish I could. 
  • edited May 2011
    This case been on going for over 20 years I think now. I remember when I was growing up in Ohio watching it start to unfold in the local news. My father was horrified. He being from a communist country, and his father being gypsy and  a prisoner of war in Siberia during WWII. He fought against the German army. The german army wanted all Jews, gypsies, and any one who fought against them to be killed or work as slaves in camps. There were thousands of gypsies and solders who were sent to concentration camps.

    The way I was told, from my father who lived it as a small child, you fight against them(The Nazi regime) you and your family are dead, you  conform to thier "ways" you have a better chance to save your life and your families. It totaly happened in my family, luckly the war ended and some how my grandfather survived for 4 years.

    When the war was over, they opened the gates to these camps and said you are free to go. Frail, no money, far away from anything, these men walked. My G father was from Hungary. My G mother, since she hadn't heard from him for so long  tought he was dead. When he got home and knocked at the door, G'ma opened the door didn't reconize the man she was looking at, but, reconizes this man's voice!  The man she had 3 children by.

    In this case at hand I could totally see him doing what he was told just so he and his family could eat, sleep in a "comforttable" bed and breath fresh air.

    They have/had no evidence that he was the person he was accused of being(Ivan the terrible). He came to the U.S.A. lived his life. It wasn't until yrs later they came after him. What upsets me the most about all of it is that the US Gov't let this case move forward w/o no proof, he has been tried twice I think and was let go. But they keep coming after him. Like a pp sated they might as well have put evert German soldier that was under the Nazi regime on trial, because they too more than likely were just trying to live and keep the family alive.

    I remember my parents being so nervouse when my father went back to Hungary for the first time, He was one of many "freedom fighters" in 1956 when he escaped (he knew if he was found he and his family would be killed. You couldn't trust no one.(If you had a gun or knive you were dead) Not one person because  of the tactics they used on ppl to get info ( you could never trust the gov't on what they said.) My father never told his family (Mom or sisters) no one that he was going to escape, They were scared he would never come back to the US. But his mom had died and he wanted to go and took that chance. Like in this case being talked about if they could do that to this guy from Cleveland, 25 miles away from where we lived they could do the same to my father maybe if they were  ever to prosicute the freedom fighters 40 yrs later.

    One of the best movies, that I think, could shed any kind of light on any of this was "Schindler's List"  Schindler  was in the same boat as this guy from Cleveland. This whole thing is wrong in my book, our gov't was wrong( I am so glad I have that right to say that) to ever hand him over to another country.

    That's my 7 cents worth on this subject. Sorry about the length of this but this subject and this case touches a nerve or 2 for me personaly.
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    Mob: How is this former camp guard like Schindler? Yes, Schindler was a profiteer and enjoyed a lifestyle made possible by the Nazis, but eventually he changed his ways and used every last dime he had and, to a degree the connections he made to save thousands.

     

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    [QUOTE]Mob: How is this former camp guard like Schindler? Yes, Schindler was a profiteer and enjoyed a lifestyle made possible by the Nazis, but eventually he changed his ways and used every last dime he had and, to a degree the connections he made to save thousands.
    Posted by kjhowd[/QUOTE]

    He knew what was happening just like this guy did, and he was contributing to the Nazi's. He knew if he was to live he would do what was asked. Like I said  it shed "any" light. If the Nazi's ever found out he was "rigging" the books" and knew exactly what and why he was doing it they would have killed him as well. This guy in Cleveland I am sure had nightmares on what he had to do if in fact he was who they "claim" him to be.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nazi Thoughts? : I think the topic is amazingly interesting and horrifically sad.  I think its an event in world history that will always be relevant and needs to be studied.  Visiting the camps was an amazing and moving experience.  I will warn that it was a complete emotional drain.  I spent 13 days between countries and camps.  I'll never forget what I learned and saw....but sometimes I wish I could. 
    Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, I agree with that. The one I went to had a CAFE in it, and when we ate lunch we were all like, "Um... not hungry."

    Actually, one guy I was with said, "I kinda feel like a huge d!ck eating pizza in a concentration camp."
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nazi Thoughts? : He knew what was happening just like this guy did, and he was contributing to the Nazi's. He knew if he was to live he would do what was asked. Like I said  it shed "any" light. If the Nazi's ever found out he was "rigging" the books" and knew exactly what and why he was doing it they would have killed him as well. This guy in Cleveland I am sure had nightmares on what he had to do if in fact he was who they "claim" him to be.
    Posted by mob2689[/QUOTE]

    Except that Schindler was playing both sides of the fence. At the same time he was "helping" the Nazis, everything he was doing and money he was making was going to help save people. If this guy from Cleveland is who/did what they say he did, there is no evidence that he tried to help or save anyone. Schindler was a flawed man, that is made clear in the movie, but was also clear is that he was also at heart a good man. Hundreds of descendants of "Schindler Jews" live today because of what he did risking his own life; yet he did it anyway.

     

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    My grandfather was a flawed man as well fighting against the Nazi regime. He could have easly been in this guys shoes as well. They were never going to give my g'father that option because he wasn't the "color",  "type" they were "looking" for to look over a portion of the camp. For all we know the Nazi regime could have destroyed any evidence he had that maybe we was just like my grandfather, he could have been fighting against the Nazi's as well, but maybe he didn't have proof of that either. I am not saying he was or wasn't but I surely wouldn't entertain that idea when there were blood hounds after me either.
     
    My father doesn't even talk about what he went through while he escaped, not one word. All we know he hates red with a passion, guns, and motorcycles.


    In order to understand the mind set of the ppl you had to understand how it all was. I know very little, what I do know, is my first visit to Hungary there was this man drunk as could be in the middle of a town square loudly praising the "West" and belittling the "East" I was maybe 12, I thought iut was the funniest thing, I stopped and was watching this man. My father comes running up to my bro. and I turns us the other dirrection and calmy whispers walkk, but walk fast what ever you do, do NOT look back. I asked him after we were back where we were staying why he did that. My mother told us  back when he was growing up they would just shoot that man dead right there for saying what he said. I also remeber landing in Budapest, they litterly greeting you with an army of men holing what looked like machine guns, they escorted you from the plane onto a bus and to the airport security where we were all seprated in different rooms being questioned. Looking over our papers(which we had to carry on us at all times) and passports.

    If police any where asked for your papers you better have them ready. We were asked at least 25 times while there just walking and shopping, why because we were "gypsy".
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    The point is you cannot compare a death camp guard (removing the specifics of this case) to someone like Schindler or your grandfather who was, I believe you said, a freedom fighter. These are people actively (covertly) fighting against the oppressors. The camp guards did not.

     

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    [QUOTE]Their biggest problem is they don't have any evidence that he did anything, just that he was there. He was convicted for a similar crime in Treblinka and was in prison in Isreal for it but it turned out there was reasonable doubt. He probably won't go to prison anyway because of his health. Like a PP said very few Nazis will admit to their crimes so it's not like this guy is going to sit there and say "yeah, I did it". I have zero tolerance for Nazis but the defense has a good point that they have no evidence. I also don't like the whole "he could have escaped like everyone else did" argument from the prosecutors. Y<strong>eah, he could have but should all of Germany be convicted because "they could have stopped Hitler"? What about all the people who stood around and watched it happen?</strong> I'm going to stop here because this is something I'm really passionate about and I can rant forever...
    Posted by avsfan33[/QUOTE]

    Good points, I agree.

    Do you know the history of Coco Chanel?  I'm sure a whole bunch of people who would have no problem accusing this guy without evidence, have no idea that their favorite perfume or other Chanel labeled items were created by a woman who has managed to maintain her status as a legendary fashion icon, even though she had relationships with, collaborated with, and made her fortune off of the Nazi regime.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nazi Thoughts? : Good points, I agree. Do you know the history of Coco Chanel?  I'm sure a whole bunch of people who would have no problem accusing this guy without evidence, have no idea that their favorite perfume or other Chanel labeled items were created by a woman who has managed to maintain her status as a legendary fashion icon, even though she had relationships with, collaborated with, and made her fortune off of the Nazi regime.
    Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

    I am not a devotee of Chanel; but I had no idea about that.

     

  • and as I said in my original post the if movie could "shed any light" meaning IMO" little" it deplicted the chances and the decissions he made and knew of the consequnces. I don;t know of any other movie other than that that was based off of a Non-Fiction  story line recently.

    It wasn't clear, as you mentioned. My G'father was fighting against the Nazi regime in his country, who was sent to the camp in Siberia. 
     
    Hungary had a huge revolution in 1956, that my father fought, they are known today as The Hungarian  Freedom Fighters.
     "The 1956 Hungarian Revolution was the first tear in the Iron Curtain. Hungarians from all walks of life rose up against insurmountable odds to fight the brutal Soviet-installed Hungarian communist government. Thousands died fighting, others tortured and executed, while 200,000 were forced to flee." Quoted from the American-Hungarian Federation.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nazi Thoughts? : Good points, I agree. Do you know the history of Coco Chanel?  I'm sure a whole bunch of people who would have no problem accusing this guy without evidence, have no idea that their favorite perfume or other Chanel labeled items were created by a woman who has managed to maintain her status as a legendary fashion icon, even though she had relationships with, collaborated with, and made her fortune off of the Nazi regime.
    Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

    Sadly, there are so many companies that profited from the Nazis. It's pretty hard to avoid. IBM made MILLIONS of dollars selling their punch card readers to the Nazis for the purpose of collecting census data used to identify Jews and later on to keep track of prisoners in the camps. IBM's founder was even given a medal by Hitler & only returned it once people started to get wind of what was going on.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nazi Thoughts? : Good points, I agree. Do you know the history of Coco Chanel?  I'm sure a whole bunch of people who would have no problem accusing this guy without evidence, have no idea that their favorite perfume or other Chanel labeled items were created by a woman who has managed to maintain her status as a legendary fashion icon, even though she had relationships with, collaborated with, and made her fortune off of the Nazi regime.
    Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

    See also: BMW, Hugo Boss, IBM
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nazi Thoughts? : See also: BMW, Hugo Boss, IBM
    Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]

    and Kodak, Siemans, Ford, Random House Publishing, Chase Bank, Standard Oil (which is now ExxonMobile, Chevron & BP)
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    I guess I'm not sure why you brought up Schindler or the movie then. By your last post, you give the impression you don't think it was an accurate depiction. Yes, Schindler knew the risks he was taking and the consequences he was facing if caught. I'm not sure how you equate/relate that to a death camp guard. There is evidence, in the descendents of those he saved, that he really did what he did. From things I read after seeing the movie, it was a pretty accurate depiction of those events. Is your debate simply the lack of evidence this man was the guard they said he was?

     

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nazi Thoughts? : Sadly, there are so many companies that profited from the Nazis. It's pretty hard to avoid. IBM made MILLIONS of dollars selling their punch card readers to the Nazis for the purpose of collecting census data used to identify Jews and later on to keep track of prisoners in the camps. IBM's founder was even given a medal by Hitler & only returned it once people started to get wind of what was going on.
    Posted by Nina0528[/QUOTE]

    Should these companies have to take responsibility? I mean how was it hard to avoid?  A person who had a gun to their head and says "Just following orders" is not ok, but a company or person that knowingly contributes and profits off of the death of thousands or millions - that's just "sad and "hard to avoid"?
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nazi Thoughts? : Should these companies have to take responsibility? I mean how was it hard to avoid?  A person who had a gun to their head and says "Just following orders" is not ok, but a company or person that knowingly contributes and profits off of the death of thousands or millions - that's just "sad and "hard to avoid"?
    Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

    I think some of might depend pn what they knew, when they knew it and if they changed their practices. But then regardless, perhaps we should. I know this may open me to flaming and a whole other can of worms... I liken it to states that are paying restitution to the decendents of slaves. If we can hold people (state governments and essentially taxpayers) financially responsible for events they nothing to do with; than why shouldn't cuurent leaders of those companies be held to the same standard. Should they be paying out to descendents/survivors of the Holocaust? If this man is who they say he was, and did even a fraction of what he's accused of; at least the right person is being held accountable. Per my examples above the people/entities currently in charge cannot be held responsible for their predecessors actions, they had no say or control and perhaps were not even alive.

     

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    The people who made the decisions to work with the Nazis should have had to take responsibility for their actions and pay for it. It's terrible that most (if not all) got away with it. However most of those people are no longer alive. My point was that for us today it's unavoidable to use companies that had Nazi ties.

    To me, saying people shouldn't like Chanel today is like arresting the great grandson of a Nazi guard because the man responsible is dead.

    ETA: unless of course some of the company heads are still alive today. Accessory to murder sounds pretty fitting for them as well.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nazi Thoughts? : I think the topic is amazingly interesting and horrifically sad.  I think its an event in world history that will always be relevant and needs to be studied.  Visiting the camps was an amazing and moving experience.  I will warn that it was a complete emotional drain.  I spent 13 days between countries and camps.  I'll never forget what I learned and saw....but sometimes I wish I could. 
    Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

    It's something I've wanted to do for a long time. My cousin went to the Killing Fields (different genocide obviously) but she posted pictures on facebook and they made me sick. I totally agree that it's going to be emotionally draining. I've talked to someone who was in a concentration camp in my hometown in Canada and his story is heartbreaking. He ended up moving back here though and has lived here since.
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    Nina: that was my point. If those responsible then were not held accountable at the time, we cannot transfer it to the current leaders or their descendents. Btw I apologize for any typos or grammar issues, I'm on my phone. ETA: Nina I also agree with your add.

     

  • I think it's perfectly possibly to not use or deal with companies that had Nazi ties, if someone actually wanted to.

    I wasn't saying that people shouldn't like Chanel or any other company that was previously associated with the Nazi regime, I just think that many people are not even aware of it.
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    [QUOTE]I guess I'm not sure why you brought up Schindler or the movie then. By your last post, you give the impression you don't think it was an accurate depiction. Yes, Schindler knew the risks he was taking and the consequences he was facing if caught.<strong> I'm not sure how you equate/relate that to a death camp guard.</strong> There is evidence, in the descendents of those he saved, that he really did what he did. From things I read after seeing the movie, it was a pretty accurate depiction of those events. <strong>Is your debate simply the lack of evidence this man was the guard they said he was?
    </strong>Posted by kjhowd[/QUOTE]

    Oswald Bosko was also a Nazi  guard, there could have be alot of guards like he that we will never know because they will not talk about it.  I brought up the movie because it has ppl that could have been just like this guy in Cleveland. maybe not as well known as the ones in the movies but they did exsist with in the camps and it dipicted that.  Schindler died in 1974, there were still many alive and decendants to back up what he did to help (1200 I think) to to testify of what he did,  what he did  was on a much bigger scale then anyone else that we know of.

    I was not comparing the 2 men by no means, but as I stated Schindler did know what he was risking just like others.

    This guy was getting charged the first time in 1986, it started in 1981 I think, if he even helped 2 ppl in the camp where they said he worked  the likelyhood was they weren't even alive to say he helped(spekulation again) Oswald Bosko was reconized because he was mentioned by Schindler, otherwise we would have never known anything about him. The movie showed the risks ppl took in and out of the camps. I am not comparing this man  to Schindler himself one bit.

    I thought the movie was a great movie, it is one of my favorites.

    And I do beleive there is a lack of evidence that he is Ivan the Terrible, but we will never see ,they do know he was in fact a  prisoner of war in a German Camp, and he fought with the Soviet Army, who was fighting agaist the Nazi Regime. Again as I stated earlier they may have given him a choise to chose death or life with the possibility of maybe one day seeing his family.Just as I stated before.  They wouldn't have given my G'father that option because he was gypsy but my Gfather also fought with the Soviet Unions Army even though he was in Hungary and was a Hungarian Soldier, but Hungary was occupied by the Soviet Union.
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    [QUOTE]I think it's perfectly possibly to not use or deal with companies that had Nazi ties, if someone actually wanted to. I wasn't saying that people shouldn't like Chanel or any other company that was previously associated with the Nazi regime,<strong> I just think that many people are not even aware of it.
    </strong>Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

    So True, and the ppl who try to say "The whole thing never happened!" They are out there, sadly and unfortunatly. I can see in 100 years saying that 9/11 never happened, heck some are already trying to say that it was our Gov't. that did that even though the ppl who did do it took accountability :::shakes my head;;;
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    LTZ, can I ask do you think this verdict is unfair because he was a POW or because there is simply no/not enough proof? Both?

    If a "regular" death camp guard (not a POW) was on trial and said he was just following orders when he took part in killing thousands of people, should he be let off? Does he have to openly admit to enjoying his job in order to fairly be convicted? Should only high ranking Nazis be help accountable?

    I understand that using a POW to try and get my point across, doesn't really help. But I'm hung up on using "following orders" as an excuse.
  • MrsMack10612MrsMack10612 The Witch City member
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    @Mob: I understand now, thank you for clarifying. I realize there may have been guards that may have helped. We may never know the truth of this man and there will most likely always be some skepticism about his crimes and punishment. As cynical as I can be, I also have never been able to shake my faith in my fellow human being; and limited though it may be, I would hope after 20 years and several trials the evidence is compelling enough that the ate punishing the right man. I will admit that does seem rather naive, but is what I hope is the case and this wasn't a witch hunt.

     

  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_nazi-thoughts?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:0540776a-9afa-46b9-af56-8941ee48244dPost:302aa22d-d43b-443d-b52f-6e5888298886">Re: Nazi Thoughts?</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nazi Thoughts? : I think some of might depend pn what they knew, when they knew it and if they changed their practices. But then regardless, perhaps we should. I know this may open me to flaming and a whole other can of worms... <strong>I liken it to states that are paying restitution to the decendents of slaves.</strong> If we can hold people (state governments and essentially taxpayers) financially responsible for events they nothing to do with; than why shouldn't cuurent leaders of those companies be held to the same standard. Should they be paying out to descendents/survivors of the Holocaust? If this man is who they say he was, and did even a fraction of what he's accused of; at least the right person is being held accountable. Per my examples above the people/entities currently in charge cannot be held responsible for their predecessors actions, they had no say or control and perhaps were not even alive.
    Posted by kjhowd[/QUOTE]

    My can opener doesn't and will not work so no worry Kjhowd :)

    But, there was a huge debate back then on weather to send them back to their native land after slavery was abolished, ,including a man called Paul Coffee. That was fasinating to learn about as well, and many don't realize that this debate happened. 

    History is fasinating IMO,  and is a great for debates, which I am not the best at, but doesn't mean I can't be interested :)
  • edited May 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_nazi-thoughts?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:0540776a-9afa-46b9-af56-8941ee48244dPost:dcb3e61f-9d4f-409b-b3d9-0b7f6bf81425">Re: Nazi Thoughts?</a>:
    [QUOTE]@Mob: I understand now, thank you for clarifying. I realize there may have been guards that may have helped. We may never know the truth of this man and there will most likely always be some skepticism about his crimes and punishment. As cynical as I can be, I also have never been able to shake my faith in my fellow human being; and limited though it may be, I would hope after 20 years and several trials the evidence is compelling enough that the ate punishing the right man. I will admit that does seem rather naive, but is what I hope is the case and<strong> this wasn't a witch hunt.
    </strong>Posted by kjhowd[/QUOTE]

    My term was blood hounds :)

    I am not the best at getting myself out in words or talking, must be from the English I was raised with by my parents Example: is in a very thick studdering accent"You can not go outside until your doors are not clean" translated to (You can go outisde when you clean your drawers, meaning organize your clothes in your drawer and then you can go outside to play" )or a written note, "Clen, clen clen!!" (Clean, clean, clean) My mind has to read and reread things over since it was trained at an early age to break it down at least twice to get it somewhat comprehended or understood. And I am always correcting my spelling because of the clen clen clen business LOL Ughhhh.

    It was a great debate and I thank you for it, I don't get the chance to debate very often around here (home)it's all fun and games which can become boaring at times. So again thank you.
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