Just Curious....

goheels05

It was a collective you, not you personally. 

BobLoblaw

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[QUOTE]Bob, you can't respond to other people's responses that did not stick to the original topic of the post. This isn't Nam. There are rules.
Posted by noisy_penguin[/QUOTE]

But I wanna talk about wiener dogs, dammit!

jens_a_ten

Some days Fenton deserves a goddam slow clap.

allisong23

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[QUOTE]Insurance companies earn minimal profits. The cost of healthcare has nothing to do with profits insurance companies earn and will not be impacted by mandated health insurance.
Posted by SarahSmile23[/QUOTE]

Really?
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Health/HealthCare/health-insurers-post-record-profits/story?id=9818699" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/Health/HealthCare/health-insurers-post-record-profits/story?id=9818699</a>

NuggetBrain

I have to sit on Tide's bench with this.  I just don't know enough about the healthcare bill and all of the workings of it to form what I would consider a firm opinion.  Healthcare obviously needs to be reformed, and there are some parts of the bill I have issues with (namely mandating insurance without providing a free preventative-care minimum-coverage option for those who can't afford to buy).  And my old company was very strongly against it, which made me think that it probably isn't very good for insurance companies, which in my mind is probably a good thing.

I do know, however, that insurance companies are NOT making a minimal profit.  They make a lot of profit.  I used to work for one of the biggest ones in the nation, and every year we had to go through this stupid class about how our company worked, and one of the things they always talked about was how much they made in profits the year before.  If I recall correctly, they made over 1.3 million in pure profit.  That's pure profit, not revenue.  And that was in a year where stocks were starting to tank, healthcare was imploding and medical expenses were continuing to skyrocket.

aprovencher21

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... :   I don't understand how one cannot see the benefits of having a healthier and more educated, thus allowing for a more productive, society. Countries that provide higher levels of healthcare/education also tend to have lower rates of unemployment than does the US... thus, I don't see how these arguments of supported health/education initiatives reducing work engagement still exist. Look outside of the US and you will see many examples of nations which 'spread the wealth' and function in a much more productive way as a result, reducing crime and increasing work participation- these positive community norms benefit all citizens within the community, not just those who are receiving the direct support. Increasing the social capital of your country cannot be a negative thing, and ensuring health care and education are easily accessed is one way of achieving that which has demonstrated efficacy. It makes me sad that the US, a country that prides themselves on their apparent forward thinking, is so behind the eight ball when it comes to looking after their citizens; I just see so much untapped potential there if only the basic needs of their vulnerable community members were better fulfilled.     As for your embarrassment over your current president, as a citizen of a country  which is not the US, I can tell you that perceptions of the US in my country are shifting in a positive way thanks to the change of leadership.
Posted by thesuninherhead[/QUOTE]
 

I have no problems with public education.  Nor, if you read any of my other posts, do I have a problem with a healthier society.  We need healthcare reform.  Just not this formation of healthcare reform.  It is this constant regurgitation of how conservatives don't want a healthier more educated society that gets annoying and old.  No one has said this.....

aprovencher21

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[QUOTE]Sun, I agree with you to an extent.  I studied abroad in Copenhagen and Denmark is a perfect example of making a socialized economy work very well.  However, we can't copy that in the US because it wouldn't work that way here.  Our government is notorious for mismanaging funds and blundering projects.  Danish citizens pride themselves on hard work and success--many Americans like the idea of just getting by.  It just wouldn't work here.  I support healthcare reform, however, I do not support his bill. Blue pretty much nailed it as far as my thoughts on it. I really appreciate Tide saying that she doesn't know enough about the bill to form an educated opinion.  There is no shame in that.  It's a complex issue that is difficult to understand, and there have been dozens of versions prior to the one that was passed, and there was a lot of misinformation in the news about it.  Some key points (IMO):  the bill that was passed offered no public option.  All it did was mandate that everyone buy insurance and that if you don't, there will be heavy financial consequences.  That, in no way, does anything for the public.  It only benefits the insurance industry and the healthcare industry. The bill laid the groundwork for where the money for this project will come from.  The value of your healthcare policy will be added to your W-2 as income and taxed accordingly.  Do you have great insurance that actually covers things?  Good for you--you get to pay an additional tax--they call decent plans "Cadillac plans" and charge an additional 2.5%(?) on it.  And tax rates will increase yet again for the top two tax brackets.  Just FYI, people in the top two tax brackets pay A LOT in taxes.  Almost 40% of their income.  Sit back and imagine that.  40% of your income going to Uncle Sam and his entitlement programs.  The wealthiest 10% of US citizens pay 87% of the taxes.  And you would be shocked at who makes that top 10% (it includes couples who make in the low six-figure ballpark). 
Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]

And this! 

Also, why do all of you cool people start posting when I'm not around.  Boo.

aprovencher21

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : I love how the wiener dog girl said that this was the "sound of logic".  Overall, this post (aside from the last couple responses) made me want to jump out a window. I give it 1 star.
Posted by salt78[/QUOTE]

Do you actually have any logic or argument in terms of proof to offer to this discussion??  No? Okay then.

aprovencher21

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[QUOTE]I did read what you said.  I also read what Weiner Girl said about how she just "didn't get it" when she was young and librul, and didn't know what personal responsibility was. I know what personal responsibility is, and I consider it part of my personal responsibility as someone who has had the advantages I have to help those less fortunate. You, on the other hand, just think we're elitists, right?  That's okay, I'll take it.
Posted by SarahBethBR[/QUOTE]

I didn't get how much it took to make a dollar and to afford nice things until I was older and paying for them.  I'm sorry if you had house payments at like 10....I sure has hell didn't. 

There is being helpful to the people in the USA and there is being stupid and bankrupting all of us.  No one said all democrats/liberals are elitists.....just Obama and Pelosi.

aprovencher21

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[QUOTE]my cat just knocked down a picture frame. it's bush's fault. i'm sure of it.
Posted by SarahSmile23[/QUOTE]

Dammit Sarah.  Everything is Bush's fault. 

aprovencher21

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[QUOTE]PS. "Elites" is just another word for "folks with more book learnin' than me."  The new tendency for conservatives view education with contempt is highly disturbing.
Posted by _Fenton[/QUOTE]

Ya I clearly hate education.  Wow. 

aprovencher21

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : Prices wouldn't decrease, the minimum standard of care would.  Don't you think that, if given the choice, insurance companies would flock to the state with the least requirements?  Why would an insurance company provide coverage in New York, where they'd be held to higher standards, i.e. providing dependent coverage to age 29 (as opposed to 23 now and 26 in the HCRA)? Also, insurance plans are based on networks of providers.  A national marketplace would essentially kill all small, local insurance companies in favor of the giants.  Just to be clear, that's limiting choice. 
Posted by MightyKites[/QUOTE]

Actually no.  That was the same argument against allowing car insurance to go to a national marketplace.  Anything increasing choice and competition drives down prices.  Competition isn't nice and sunny.....some companie won't be able to compete this doesn't mean all will have this problem. 

aprovencher21

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : It doesn't matter what the margin is.  They still are expected to increase every year.  And then you count in the overhead for marketing, and the costs that the insurance companies have agreed to pay Big Pharma, who is certainly making bank.  In a perfect world, I'd like to see the pharmaceutical companies and health care companies prosecuted for racketeering. 
Posted by _Fenton[/QUOTE]

Oh lord.  You're absurd. Racketeering?? Seriously.  Do you even understand that word or what pharmaceutical companies do?

aprovencher21

Apparently I'm a cold hearted bitch because I think this reform bill will harm many many many more people than it will help. 

If you think insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies are the devil the simple answer is......

No one makes you have insurance currently (thank Obama for this changing!) and no one makes you use medication.  If you think they are evil don't use them.  I always laugh about the pharmaceutical company whiners.  You are the same people who have no idea about the level of risk, investment and cost involved in producing one medication. 

I was really hoping for more educated responses. 

aprovencher21

Also, many many many conservatives had an issue with Bush's spending.  I am one of them.  Don't assume that because I don't like Obama that I love love love Bush.

HappyTummy613

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boxerfan

oooooh, so if I don't like how pharmaceutical companies work, I just shouldn't take medication.  Thanks for clearing that up weiner girl.

aprovencher21

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[QUOTE]oooooh, so if I don't like how pharmaceutical companies work, I just shouldn't take medication.  Thanks for clearing that up weiner girl.
Posted by boxerfan[/QUOTE]

Why would you?  If you don't trust them, don't like how they operate, etc.?  I don't like Walmart....thus I don't shop there. 

aprovencher21

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[QUOTE]oooooh, so if I don't like how pharmaceutical companies work, I just shouldn't take medication.  Thanks for clearing that up weiner girl.
Posted by boxerfan[/QUOTE]

Also I think it's amusing how most of you use weiner girl as an insult......

aprovencher21

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[QUOTE]oooooh, so if I don't like how pharmaceutical companies work, I just shouldn't take medication.  Thanks for clearing that up weiner girl.
Posted by boxerfan[/QUOTE]

What no ability to intelligently argue what's wrong with pharmaceutical companies?? Have any sources or really even understand the business?  Probably not. 

boxerfan

If Walmart was the only company that sold a product that you needed to live, I bet you'd shop there.  That doesn't mean that you'd suddenly approve of their business model.

aprovencher21

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[QUOTE]If Walmart was the only company that sold a product that you needed to live, I bet you'd shop there.  That doesn't mean that you'd suddenly approve of their business model.
Posted by boxerfan[/QUOTE]

Very true.  But you still have a choice.  No one makes you take the medication.  You have the option.  I didn't say it was a lovely option.

I wish it was possible for everyone to have all of the food they need, shelter, medications, surgery, etc.  But it simply isn't. 

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]<u>No one makes you have insurance currently</u> (thank Obama for this changing!) and no one makes you use medication.Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

Actually the state of MA does.  And it sucks.

missy68

ap, in answer to your question about Max many many responses ago, he barks when he wants attention but howls/yowls when he talks to us. And if we imitate him doing it, it makes him nuts. That's why I think there's some other hound (i.e., Catahoula, or Heeler) in him. He's way smart.

smithbeck

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[QUOTE]ap, in answer to your question about Max many many responses ago, he barks when he wants attention but howls/yowls when he talks to us. And if we imitate him doing it, it makes him nuts. That's why I think there's some other hound (i.e., Catahoula, or Heeler) in him. He's way smart.
Posted by missy68[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, your dog appears to be a socialist.

jens_a_ten

Holy crap, how many times in a row can one person post before it all just starts to look like "Guard and protect your heart."?

Whatever the limit is, Wiener girl exceeded it.

HappyTummy613

Posting in rapid succession makes your arguments stronger.  It's a scientific fact.

_Fenton

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : Oh lord.  You're absurd. Racketeering?? Seriously.  Do you even understand that word or what pharmaceutical companies do?
Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

How is it not?  The insurance companies decide what they will and won't cover, which essentially decides your treatment options for you.  What your doctor thinks is irrelevant (although the drug companies work that angle, too.  I know quite a few pharm reps making incredibly good salaries and taking doctors out to fancy dinners -- that gets paid for by whom? The free market fairies?).  Then you have the choice of paying retail for the drug you've been told you need or getting it as a great discounted co-pay through your insurance company.  Oh and don't get feisty and try to switch insurance companies after you're diagnosed!  (Not that most people could anyway, you're stuck with whatever your employer offers.)  But on the chance you do try, you may get denied for having a pre-existing condition.  So who in their right mind is going to try to use their consumer power to influence the system?  You bend over, take it, pay the high price, and hope they let you keep your policy, like some kind of battered wife with no high school diploma or job skills.

As for medical care being a choice, I'm so very sure that most people would opt to die in their homes of the flu before going to the emergency room because they just can't pay.  And if you're in a car accident and shatter your legs?  Of course the average uninsured American is going to rope some sticks to their legs and stay in bed for a week, because it's just not fair to go to the hospital if you don't have insurance.  And even if they have no shame whatsoever and show up to the ER, the nurses will show those freeloaders the door.  Cause you gotta pay to play, bro!  How lucky for us that all of the traditional economic principles apply so precisely and conveniently to the health care model.

allisong23

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : Very true.  But you still have a choice.  No one makes you take the medication.  You have the option.  I didn't say it was a lovely option. I wish it was possible for everyone to have all of the food they need, shelter, medications, surgery, etc.  But it simply isn't. 
Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

Spoken by someone that probably does not need to take a certain medication to live a somewhat normal life. I do. I have multiple sclerosis. The medication I take costs more than $1200 a month beofre insurance.There are very few drugs for MS, and most people are only able to take one of the five major drugs because of side effects from the others. So I have no choice to not take it - unless I want to take the chance of not being able to walk tomorrow. These drugs are not new, but BIG Pharma knows they have us where they want us, so there is no need to lower price.

There are many other people like me who don't have the option to "not take the medicine". Should people with cancer not take chemo drugs?

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... :  As for medical care being a choice, I'm so very sure that most people would opt to die in their homes of the flu before going to the emergency room because they just can't pay.  And if you're in a car accident and shatter your legs?  Of course the average uninsured American is going to rope some sticks to their legs and stay in bed for a week, because it's just not fair to go to the hospital if you don't have insurance.  And even if they have no shame whatsoever and show up to the ER, the nurses will show those freeloaders the door.  Cause you gotta pay to play, bro!  How lucky for us that all of the traditional economic principles apply so precisely and conveniently to the health care model.
Posted by _Fenton[/QUOTE]

Around here, only private hospitals can require you to prove insurance in the ER (and that is only if you are there for a non-life threatening problem).  Public hospitals have to see and treat you regardless.  They are not allowed to 'show you the door' just because you are not insured.  I dont know if it is the same everywhere else.