There are some sick people

SarahPLiz

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : It's true!  I've never seen you advocating<strong> torchering </strong>someone one.  ;)
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]
 tiki style? 

jessienjeremy

I will say. I think that the fact that everyone has their own view on the DP is what makes us great. We can all sit here and post our opinions and thoughts, and while we may not all agree on things, we can all appreciate it.

I respect that your views may not be the same as mine. That is what makes the world unique and interesting.

I just wanted to say that bc I didnt want it to come off as I am mad or angry that you dont agree with me. I just wanted to vent about this horrible crime. 

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]If he is found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt...fry him. Hopefully, he won't be allowed appeal after appeal only to sit on death row for the next 30 years.
Posted by 2010Bride2be[/QUOTE]

Ok, I didn't get through the rest of the post yet, so sorry if this has been addressed, but those appeals?  Part of EVERYONE'S due process rights.  Per the Constitution.  You know, the Bill of Rights?  All that good stuff?  There's a good reason they allow those appeals.

megk8oz

I really think you're going a little far here. I'm all for executing somebody that's been proven guilty, but you're basing your entire "conviction" on a brief news video, not the entire story (Which I am quite sure you don't actually know). This is why trials are held in the first place, so people can't go around just invoking capital punishment willy-nilly on anybody they merely suspect of being a murderer.

And while the kid may have confessed, I've actually heard quite a few stories  (Especially ones involving teenagers) where people being detained were essentially forced to falsely confess to a crime they didn't commit because they were interrogated without an attorney or gaurdian present, and there was a lot of pressure was put on them to "wrap things up".

Plus, there's still some speculation that there were drugs involved and a possibility that this kid wasn't in a right state of mind.

If it turns out later on that yes, he really did kill this kid, and yes, he was fully aware of what he was doing, then fine-DP his ass. But until a judge and jury convict him in a court of law, he's well within his rights to live-and you're way over the line for saying otherwise..

ohwhynot

Oh FFS. 

ichellemay1

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[QUOTE]Based on the information in the article, it's also highly unlikely that he'll even get the death penalty.  He's 19, and he cooperated with police during search efforts.  My guess is he wouldn't have done that if there wasn't a lawyer and deal in place.
Posted by tidetravel[/QUOTE]

Age-wise - he is eligible for the DP.  He eventually cooperated, but initially he did not.  He first admitted to beating the guy up and had the police look for him, but it wasn't the field where he actually left the body.  In fact, he gave investigators several different stories about the entire crime.

Here's a link to the story in the local paper:

<a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7301363.html">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7301363.html</a>

J&K10910

Capital punishment =/= eye for an eye.

If you're that interested in eye for an eye punishment, perhaps you should move to a less developed country.  There's a reason we don't rape rapists and cut off the hands of people that steal.

And?  Someone else has said it, but to reiterate, INNOCENT PEOPLE DO CONFESS.  You cannot just take a confession as fact that the person is guilty.

J&K10910

Everyone keeps giving articles and crap, and frankly, I'm not at all interested in them.  Know why?  Media sources are biased.  Opinion is sometimes portrayed as fact.  I don't giveashit what the local paper thinks.  I care what a court of law, with a judge and a jury of his peers thinks.  Preferably in a different venue. 

jessienjeremy

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : Age-wise - he is eligible for the DP.  He eventually cooperated, but initially he did not.  He first admitted to beating the guy up and had the police look for him, but it wasn't the field where he actually left the body.  In fact, he gave investigators several different stories about the entire crime. Here's a link to the story in the local paper: <a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7301363.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7301363.html</a>
Posted by ichellemay1[/QUOTE]


Do you live in Houston?

My FI's cousins daughter went to school with Josh. She said he was a great guy.  They are all having a hard time with this. She knew the other kid too. 

chirpchirp

Isn't the "eye for an eye" type of mentality something we, as a developed and progressive nation, have tried to eliminate through due process? I agree with PP that perhaps a more archaic society would be better suited for you.

ricksang

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[QUOTE]Everyone keeps giving articles and crap, and frankly, I'm not at all interested in them.  Know why?  Media sources are biased.  Opinion is sometimes portrayed as fact.  I don't giveashit what the local paper thinks.  I care what a court of law, with a judge and a jury of his peers thinks.  Preferably in a different venue. 
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

This! I can't believe I agreeing with the bleeding hearts on this. This says something. :P

ichellemay1

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : Do you live in Houston? My FI's cousins daughter went to school with Josh. She said he was a great guy.  They are all having a hard time with this. She knew the other kid too. 
Posted by jessienjeremy[/QUOTE]

I live in Humble now, but lived my whole life in Houston.

Very sad for the family.  Really sad all the way around - as pp post said he ended Josh's life and, essentially, his own, too.  DP or not, he will be in prison a very long time.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : This! I can't believe I agreeing with the bleeding hearts on this. This says something. :P
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

I am NOT a bleeding heart, and I resent that ;)

tidetravel

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : Age-wise - he is eligible for the DP.  He eventually cooperated, but initially he did not.  He first admitted to beating the guy up and had the police look for him, but it wasn't the field where he actually left the body.  In fact, he gave investigators several different stories about the entire crime. Here's a link to the story in the local paper: <a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7301363.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7301363.html</a>
Posted by ichellemay1[/QUOTE]

Right, and if he was hopped up on drugs, that would make sense.  There are a lot of stories circulating about this guy, and probably a lot of biased reporting (shocking.)  No one knows the facts until they come out in a trial.

zippityb

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : I live in Humble now, but lived my whole life in Houston. Very sad for the family.  Really sad all the way around - as pp post said he ended Josh's life and, essentially, his own, too.  DP or not, he will be in prison a very long time.
Posted by ichellemay1[/QUOTE]

Humble is basically North Houston. <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />

jessienjeremy

THis is totally off topic but J&K.. what is that in your siggy pic...

LOL it looks like a ant eater.

SarahPLiz

ALso, if this just came out today, there has not been NEARLY enough time to process physical evidence or complete any sort of investigation. Think about that. CSI shows are about 100x faster than what happens in real crime labs. 

J&K10910

Duh, it's a human.

(but yes, it's an anteater.  Two of them)

megk8oz

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[QUOTE]Everyone keeps giving articles and crap, and frankly, I'm not at all interested in them.  Know why?  <strong>Media sources are biased.  Opinion is sometimes portrayed as fact.  I don't giveashit what the local paper thinks.</strong>  I care what a court of law, with a judge and a jury of his peers thinks.  Preferably in a different venue. 
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

This. Exactly.

A few years ago, my cousin was shot and killed by a police officer. At the time, the papers immediately printed a story stating that my cousin had pulled a gun and threatened the cop with it. The police later showed my aunt and uncle the video footage taken from the cop car, and you don't actually see a gun anywhere ... and they later admitted that they never actually saw a gun or even found one on his person. Basically, they made a mistake. A very big, irrevocable mistake. But the papers never printed any type of retraction, and there are tons of people that still think my cousin "got what he deserved".

Because of this, I never fully trust what the media has to say.

ricksang

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : I am NOT a bleeding heart, and I resent that ;)
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

Just on the DP thing. Hey I am too in some areas. :p

J&K10910

Oh, how awful, Meg.  I hope the officer that shot him got what he deserved

jessienjeremy

Im sorry meg. I am glad the had a video to prove he didnt do it.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : Just on the DP thing. Hey I am too in some areas. :p
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

My DP opinion is based mostly on the Constitutional rights, the financial burden of DP, and the fact that it does not deter crime, and in fact makes crime go up for a short period of time.

There's only a little bleeding heartness that comes out in the hypocrisy and "what if we kill an innocent person?" part of my opinion ;)

SO THERE!  <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-tongue-out.gif" border="0" alt="Tongue out" title="Tongue out" />

ichellemay1

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : Humble is basically North Houston.
Posted by zippityb[/QUOTE]

That's how I look at it! <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cool.gif" border="0" alt="Cool" title="Cool" />

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]Im sorry meg. I am glad the had a video to prove he didnt do it.
Posted by jessienjeremy[/QUOTE]

But that hardly helps.  He still got basically crucified by the media's bias and never had a chance to show the public that he was shot for no reason.  This is the kind of thing that posts like this help support, sadly. 

ricksang

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : My DP opinion is based mostly on the Constitutional rights, the financial burden of DP, and the fact that it does not deter crime, and in fact makes crime go up for a short period of time. There's only a little bleeding heartness that comes out in the hypocrisy and "what if we kill an innocent person?" part of my opinion ;) SO THERE! 
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

BLEEDING HEART BLEEDING HEART! J/K I <3 you!

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : BLEEDING HEART BLEEDING HEART! J/K I <3 you!
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

I <3 you too, you crazy conservative.

ricksang

I know you are but what am I? HA I haven't used that line in forever!

Chi_Chi

Do you really think that the information given in these articles are entirely what the case is based on? There is probably so much more information involved. (I use the word probably because I know nothing about this case). The police only release such a small amount of information to the media while there's so much going on behind the scenes.

Also, Sarah mentioned CSI. The general public has such a misconception of how things like this actually work. For example, running fingerprints through AFIS doesn't take mere seconds. It takes about an hour per person.

megk8oz

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : But that hardly helps.  He still got basically crucified by the media's bias and never had a chance to show the public that he was shot for no reason.  This is the kind of thing that posts like this help support, sadly. 
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

That's my point. There was never anything printed or released saying "Meg's Cousin Died Because A Cop Made A Boo-boo". They just left the story as "Local Teenager Gunned Down After Threatening Cop With Gun" ... and that's the story that people "just know is the truth" ... I and my family dealt with the internet comments after that, and there weren't people going around saying "You guys, you don't know the real story, maybe there was a mistake ...", just a bunch of ignorant people blowing up the news forums with "Of course he should have died, that's what you get if you're dumb enough to pull a gun on a cop!"