There are some sick people

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : That's my point. There was never anything printed or released saying "Meg's Cousin Died Because A Cop Made A Boo-boo". They just left the story as "Local Teenager Gunned Down After Threatening Cop With Gun" ... and that's the story that people "just know is the truth" ... I and my family dealt with the internet comments after that, and there weren't people going around saying "You guys, you don't know the real story, maybe there was a mistake ...", just a bunch of ignorant people blowing up the news forums with "Of course he should have died, that's what you get if you're dumb enough to pull a gun on a cop!"
Posted by megk8oz[/QUOTE]

I figured that was your point, I just wanted to help connect the dots.    I'm so so sorry you and your family had to go through that.  Thank you for sharing it, I hope your point has now been gotten across effectively. 

dawnmarie1279

I wish the DP would come to New York. I hate to know that people who killed children or anyone else and admit to it...just sit away in jail while my taxes pay to keep them alive.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]I wish the DP would come to New York. I hate to know that people who killed children or anyone else and admit to it...just sit away in jail while my taxes pay to keep them alive.
Posted by dawnmarie1279[/QUOTE]

Your taxes pay even more to kill them, FYI.

zippityb

I know I said this last week, but I'll say it again, your taxes are paying to keep him off of the streets and for you to be essentially safer.

megk8oz

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : I figured that was your point, I just wanted to help connect the dots.    I'm so so sorry you and your family had to go through that.  Thank you for sharing it, I hope your point has now been gotten across effectively. 
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

I had a feeling you knew what I meant ... I just wasn't sure if the OP did, considering her immediate response to my story. But thank you so much for understanding. I really do appreciate it.

ricksang

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : Your taxes pay even more to kill them, FYI.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

You see, sometimes I don't mind paying more tax money.

2010Bride2be

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : Ok, I didn't get through the rest of the post yet, so sorry if this has been addressed, but those appeals?  Part of EVERYONE'S due process rights.  Per the Constitution.  You know, the Bill of Rights?  All that good stuff?  There's a good reason they allow those appeals.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

I'm fully aware of the a person's rights. However, when someone has been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, all of the evidence points to them, and hell, they may have even confessed. There is NO reason for numerous appeals.

And before you bring up DNA evidence, yes, I am aware that there have been several cases where DNA testing has cleared prisoners. However, in this day and age, DNA testing and comparison is available. If a person is proven guilty in a court of law, why waste tax payers' money keeping this prisoner alive getting 3 hots, a cot, and free medical care?

J&K10910

Big internet hug, Meg!

dawnmarie1279

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : Your taxes pay even more to kill them, FYI.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

Yeah I know. At least  I know my taxes are going to a useful cause.  I just don't see a point in keeping someone alive for years and years in jail for what?

An eye for an eye...thats how I see it.

Celles

Forget appeals!  Let's just dispense with trials altogether and let Internet forums try and sentence accused criminals. 

/eyeroll

megk8oz

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[QUOTE]Big internet hug, Meg!
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

Aw, thanks! Much love <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-kiss.gif" border="0" alt="Kiss" title="Kiss" />

Chi_Chi

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[QUOTE]Forget appeals!  Let's just dispense with trials altogether and let Internet forums try and sentence accused criminals.  /eyeroll
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

Well then this guy should already be 6 feet under according to OP.

Anysunrise

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[QUOTE]Forget appeals!  Let's just dispense with trials altogether and let Internet forums try and sentence accused criminals.  /eyeroll
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

They're already doing it with abortions! Gotta get with the times.

ricksang

Well OP split pretty fast.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : I'm fully aware of the a person's rights. However, when someone has been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, all of the evidence points to them, and hell, they may have even confessed. There is NO reason for numerous appeals. And before you bring up DNA evidence, yes, I am aware that there have been several cases where DNA testing has cleared prisoners. However, in this day and age, DNA testing and comparison is available. If a person is proven guilty in a court of law, why waste tax payers' money keeping this prisoner alive getting 3 hots, a cot, and free medical care?
Posted by 2010Bride2be[/QUOTE]

You don't get what appeals are for, then, do you?  Because they're for ERRORS that are made during the course of the trial that would lead to the WRONG VERDICT.  Yeah, errors can be made that would cause an innocent person to be found guilty.  Beyond a reasonable doubt and everything. 

Lenore2010

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[QUOTE]Hmm I'd have to know more about the circumstances before I agree with DP.
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

<div>
</div><div>I searched this online, and his "gay panic" defense is 100% bull. You do not need to beat someone to death because they made sexual advances towards you, AND I am thinking even THAT is bogus because he knew the victim for five years. Hell, the victim could have been sleeping with his girlfriend and that's what really got him so violent.</div><div>
</div><div>A good prosecutor will enjoy this one, and even the best defense attorney would find this a challenge at best.</div><div>
</div><div>I am ambiguous on the death penalty - not for any of the usual liberal reasons but because I am worried about the state having the power to execute. However, as long as TX HAS a DP, this guy sounds thus far like an ideal candidate.</div>

dawnmarie1279

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[QUOTE]I have been called to jury duty once. I believe in capital punishment. Eye for an eye. I believe is you rape a woman you should be raped and go through what she went through. If you bound a torcher someone before murdering them then that is how you should die. Maybe its just how I was raised and where I come from.  But yes once I said my beliefs they said "ok well thank you, enjoy the rest of your day" LOL
Posted by jessienjeremy[/QUOTE]

I am 100% with you on this one.

An eye for an eye....

I feel the same way about animals. If you kill an hurt an animal, the same should be done to you.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]Well OP split pretty fast.
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

Well that makes one witch hunter that may have realized she could be wrong.

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]I wish the DP would come to New York. I hate to know that people who killed children or anyone else and admit to it...just sit away in jail while my taxes pay to keep them alive.
Posted by dawnmarie1279[/QUOTE]


As someone who lives in NY, you should be much more worried about all the other places your tax dollars are going at this point. This state gov't can't budget for shiit.

ricksang

Also DNA, science is subject to human error.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : I am 100% with you on this one. <strong>An eye for an eye....</strong> I feel the same way about animals. If you kill an hurt an animal, the same should be done to you.
Posted by dawnmarie1279[/QUOTE]

Makes the whole world blind.  And you know what they say about the blind leading the blind.

Perhaps you should join OP in a less developed country where they practice eye for an eye punishments then.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]Also DNA, science is subject to human error.
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

BLASPHEMY!

dawnmarie1279

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : As someone who lives in NY, you should be much more worried about all the other places your tax dollars are going at this point. This state gov't can't budget for shiit.
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

Trust me, I am not happy with anywhere my tax dollars are going. The government SUX. This just adds to the way I feel about our system. I can only pray it gets better and not worse.

LessThanZero

Unfortunately, praying doesn't fix anything.

2010Bride2be

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : You don't get what appeals are for, then, do you?  Because they're for ERRORS that are made during the course of the trial that would lead to the WRONG VERDICT.  Yeah, errors can be made that would cause an innocent person to be found guilty.  Beyond a reasonable doubt and everything. 
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

Oh I get it. I get that in certain cases, appeals are necessary.

However, I also get that in certain cases, appeals are BULLSH!T. Prime example, the case where my first cousin was shot and killed in cold blood by her boyfriend in their home. Her 2 children witnessed this. Her boyfriend fled the scene and went DRINKING a and proceeded to tell patrons in the bar what he had done. However, when he was arrested, guess what his story was? He didn't do it. Now, let's review. 2 children witnessed this shooting. The gun was in his vehicle. With his fingerprints on it. It had been recently fired. Oh yea, and the residue was found on his hands. He bragged about the shooting to patrons in a bar. Yes, he was convicted. However he is now is petitioning to have his case reviewed and get a new trial.

Shall we continue?

dawnmarie1279

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : Makes the whole world blind.  And you know what they say about the blind leading the blind. Perhaps you should join OP in a less developed country where they practice eye for an eye punishments then.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

Well thats how I feel. If someone killed my child, they should be killed. There is no way I am going to change my mind on that one.

And as far as animals...Some inhumane sicko puts a dog in an oven and turns it on...his ass is going right in that same oven and turning it up to 400 degrees.

Celles

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : Makes the whole world blind.  And you know what they say about the blind leading the blind. <strong>Perhaps you should join OP in a less developed country where they practice eye for an eye punishments then.</strong>
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

According to Amnesty International, there are four whole countries to choose from:

The People's Republic of China
Iran
Iraq
Saudi Arabia

The US is fifth on AI's list of countries ranked by the number of executions carried out in 2009, so I wouldn't bother looking elsewhere.

YWIA!

dawnmarie1279

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[QUOTE]Unfortunately, praying doesn't fix anything.
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

It's worth a try, I know God listens <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" />

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: There are some sick people : Oh I get it. I get that in certain cases, appeals are necessary. However, I also get that in certain cases, appeals are BULLSH!T. Prime example, the case where my first cousin was shot and killed in cold blood by her boyfriend in their home. Her 2 children witnessed this. Her boyfriend fled the scene and went DRINKING a and proceeded to tell patrons in the bar what he had done. However, when he was arrested, guess what his story was? He didn't do it. Now, let's review. 2 children witnessed this shooting. The gun was in his vehicle. With his fingerprints on it. It had been recently fired. Oh yea, and the residue was found on his hands. He bragged about the shooting to patrons in a bar. Yes, he was convicted. However he is now is petitioning to have his case reviewed and get a new trial. Shall we continue?
Posted by 2010Bride2be[/QUOTE]

While it truly sucks that this happened to your family, what would your other options be? Not let him appeal? Whether we like it or not, appeals are there for those that truly need it. I'd rather see it be taken advantage of by 100 shitty people than have it taken away from 1 person who really deserves it.

ohwhynot

Appeals are not bullshiit.  Appeals exist for a reason - to keep the government honest and to make this system as fair and honest as possible.  It's not perfect.  There are people who appeal their convictions but are factually guilty.  That still doesn't mean the appeal was bullshiit - we are a civilized nation and I'd like to keep it that way.