Interesting bit of family news

ReturnOfKuus

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[QUOTE]What proof? Since when are feelings proof or fact? What about the people that change from man to woman, then after a year or so change back? That happens more than you would think. What are they? Man and Woman?
Posted by FLANYTATOOGURL[/QUOTE]


It's not a feeling.  It's an identity, and as we all know, having grown up and had our identities change drastically, identities aren't set in stone.  Some things change, some things stay the same.  Sometimes what changes is gender, sometimes that stays the same.

FLANYTATOOGURL

Your "facts" border on condescension.

thejucheidea

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[QUOTE]Your "facts" border on condescension.
Posted by FLANYTATOOGURL[/QUOTE]

Your posts border on hate speech.

Oh wait, no, they're just straight hate speech.

ReturnOfKuus

They don't border - they ARE condescending.  I am absolutely looking down at you for being not just ignorant, but stubbornly, willfully, hatefully ignorant.  No wonder transgendered people have such a rough time.

FLANYTATOOGURL

So how is race not part of someone's identity? If someone wanted to become African American, but they were born Asian American, would you except that person as black just because they say they are? Or would you secretly be like "whatever dude" I am not saying one can't change genders, but to imply that a change doesn't have to take place is not logical. Can a person born a man compete in the Olympics as a woman because that is how they feel? The answer is no.

hmonkey

[QUOTE]If someone wanted to become African American, but they were born Asian American, would you except that person as black just because they say they are?
Posted by FLANYTATOOGURL[/QUOTE]

:: <em>clutches black card, cries</em> ::

:: <em>clutches spelling & grammar card harder, weeps</em> ::

FLANYTATOOGURL

I am not hateful I accept all people for who / what they are. But I don't agree with your "facts" and since you have thousands more posts than me, you are obviously right.

thejucheidea

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[QUOTE]So how is race not part of someone's identity? If someone wanted to become African American, but they were born Asian American, would you except that person as black just because they say they are? Or would you secretly be like "whatever dude" I am not saying one can't change genders, but to imply that a change doesn't have to take place is not logical. Can a person born a man compete in the Olympics as a woman because that is how they feel? The answer is no.
Posted by FLANYTATOOGURL[/QUOTE]

Race and gender are not even vaguely the same. Gender is a choice and race is, like sex, genetics.

And yes, they can: <a href="http://www.npr.org/2012/05/24/153589689/transgender-athlete-competes-for-olympic-spot" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/2012/05/24/153589689/transgender-athlete-competes-for-olympic-spot</a>

PMeg819

First off, you lack a basic understanding of neuroscience. Brains are not static. Neuronal pathways continue to evolve even in adulthood. That means that based on many factors, you can have changes in your behavior. A simple example is someone who has a traumatic brain injury and goes from being a kind person to being a straight azzhole. But it also means that based on structure, chemistry, and a whole host of other things that people can change. So yes it is entirely possible that someone decides they feel they are a woman/man but as time goes on, they reject that and return to living as whatever biological sex they were born as.

But the crux of this- why does it matter? You don't have to agree with what people do as far as living as a man or a woman and as "third gender". You just have to accept that for those people, they reject your ideas on gender and chose to live a certain way.

FLANYTATOOGURL

Umm, your link proves nothing. That is a person born a woman competing in woman's sports. That was not my point. My point is that a person that was born a man, meaning the doctor shouted it's a boy when he was born. Regardless of how that person feels, he can not compete against women, even if he always felt that he should have been born a woman. They won't let a transgendered person compete in the GENDER group that they feel they belong in, only the gender that they were born into. Also wasn't there a miss universe / miss America contestant that was kicked off because they wete born a man? People should do what they want, if you wanna become a testosterone laden dude with a 12 in penis good for you and hopefully the people in your life will support that, but as long as you have to sit to urinate so it doesn't splash all over legs and feet you are a woman.

FLANYTATOOGURL

So Kuus, if you were dating a guy and when you decided that it was time to let him have intercourse with you. Would you be okay with "him" having a vagina because he said he felt like he should be a man?

hmonkey

[QUOTE]Also wasn't there a miss universe / miss America contestant that was kicked off because they wete born a man?
Posted by FLANYTATOOGURL[/QUOTE]

<strong>FACT</strong>.  she was allowed to compete.  <strong>FACT</strong>.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Talackova" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Talackova</a>

6fsn

Kuus- there is also a hullabaloo on the bump about sex/gender so there can be countless discussions.  I've never seen it laid out as plainly and specifically as you've done it.  Well said.

hmonkey

kuus identifies as a scientist.  FACT.

FLANYTATOOGURL

In Response to Re:Interesting bit of family news:[QUOTE]Also wasn't there a miss universe / miss America contestant that was kicked off because they wete born a man? Posted by FLANYTATOOGURLFACT.nbsp; she was allowed to compete.nbsp; FACT.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Talackova" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Talackova</a> Posted by hmonkey[/QUOTE]
I did not know they allowed her back in after she was kicked out. Good for her.

VarunaTT

Also, Windy City Rollers allowed a transgendered female to participate after she was "outed" as transgender.

And, the International Olympic Committee rules allow transgenders to compete as long as it's been 2 years since their sugery to change their gender.  So, you're just wrong.

FLANYTATOOGURL

And I could give a tiny rat's ass that she is a scientist, that dies not mean anything. 20 years ago scientists called Pluto a planet. 600 years ago "scientists" said the world was flat. Around that same time "scientists" said that black people were not a whole person. 100 years ago "scientists" told people that cigarettes were healthy for you. 15 years ago "scientists" were giving people drugs like ecstacy and MDMA because it was supposed to help with depression, shall I go on. Scientists have agendas, and they hide behind their title to spew nonsense.

ReturnOfKuus

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[QUOTE]So Kuus, if you were dating a guy and when you decided that it was time to let him have intercourse with you. Would you be okay with "him" having a vagina because he said he felt like he should be a man?
Posted by FLANYTATOOGURL[/QUOTE]


I know this isn't a real question, but I'm going to answer as though it is.  I don't know.  Presumably if I know the guy well enough to consider having sex with him, then I know him well enough to know that he's transgendered.  It's hard to say how everything would go in the bedroom.  I'd give it a shot, though.  And now you've got me curious about what this would be like.

Of course, I don't want kids, so that probably plays a role in this.  Genetics become important for things like procreation or medicine. 

hmonkey

flany -- by any chance, are you a juggalo?
http://bit.ly/aOasdQ

magnets, man.

thejucheidea

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[QUOTE] Scientists have agendas, and they hide behind their title to spew nonsense.
Posted by FLANYTATOOGURL[/QUOTE]

Not sure if Creationist.

ReturnOfKuus

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[QUOTE]And I could give a tiny rat's ass that she is a scientist, that dies not mean anything. 20 years ago scientists called Pluto a planet. 600 years ago "scientists" said the world was flat. Around that same time "scientists" said that black people were not a whole person. 100 years ago "scientists" told people that cigarettes were healthy for you. 15 years ago "scientists" were giving people drugs like ecstacy and MDMA because it was supposed to help with depression, shall I go on. Scientists have agendas, and they hide behind their title to spew nonsense.
Posted by FLANYTATOOGURL[/QUOTE]


LOL!  You don't get how science works, do you?  We're always trying to disprove the whole knowledge base.  That's the whole point of the scientific method.  Ideas that are unable to be disproven stand to be tested another day, until new technology might allow us to disprove something that was unable to be disproven (and therefore thought to be true) before.

The thing with black people, though, those were people from the soft sciences.  We shun them (especially Min).  But cigarettes really do slow and sometimes halt the symptoms of Parkinson's disease.

thejucheidea

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[QUOTE] drugs like ecstacy and MDMA
Posted by FLANYTATOOGURL[/QUOTE]

Also, MDMA and ecstasy are the same thing.

FLANYTATOOGURL

In Response to Re:Interesting bit of family news:In Response to Re:Interesting bit of family news: drugs like ecstacy and MDMA Posted by FLANYTATOOGURLAlso, MDMA and ecstasy are the same thing. Posted by ahstillwell No! MDMA is one of the things that make up ecstasy, the street drug consists of a morphine base as well as MDMA and cocaine. It is why ecstasy causes severe depression after the euphoric feeling.

WayneBrady

I am here as the blackspokesperson, HOLLA!

thejucheidea

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[QUOTE] No! MDMA is one of the things that make up ecstasy, the street drug consists of a morphine base as well as MDMA and cocaine. It is why ecstasy causes severe depression after the euphoric feeling.
Posted by FLANYTATOOGURL[/QUOTE]

Yeah, no, proper ecstasy is supposed to just be MDMA. If you get something that has adulterants, that's on you. My friends who have taken ecstasy in the past to go to raves have never had this crash that you speak of, so I have no clue what you're talking about.

Also, scientists are still using MDMA as possible treatments for anxiety in terminal cancer patients and for PTSD. WITCHERY, ALL OF THIS. Did you know they also use SHROOMS and THE MARIJUANA for treatment as well?

TKzilla

At what point can I solve this with violence?

FLANYTATOOGURL

Wow! Kuus you will basically say anything to prove your point. Bleach kills AIDS, does that mean it is good for you? So you are saying cigarettes are good for you? Basically what I have taken from your last post is scientists don't really know anything and just state popular opinion as fact until some other overrated "genius" can prove them wrong.

FLANYTATOOGURL

In Response to Re:Interesting bit of family news:At what point can I solve this with violence? Posted by CourtaniaLynn I love when people are not allowed to have a discussion because some idiot thinks violence is the answer. My opinion may be wrong or biased or ignorant, but I haven't threatened anyone.

GBCK

I thought we agreed scientists were lovable assholes?

damnit, tell me what the hive mind believes kuus :-P

Wzz

"Yeah, no, proper ecstasy is supposed to just be MDMA."

butting in - i don't think that is acurrate. i know MDMA is used in studies, but "ecstacy" is slang. old timey ecstacy, from the 90's, is a mixture that was stronger than what the kids all get todday, and they were the ones who experienced the well known crash.

also, i am not sure the drug dealers are giving out pure drugs without cutting it with other crap. just sayin'.

oh and wow! how far from the original topic did this get!